Remington 597 .22LR RANGE REPORT


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_N4Z_
May 28, 2006, 02:50 PM
Took a brand new Rem 597 .22LR out this morning for a first run.

Ammo was Federal 40gr Hi Velocity solid.

All I did prior to use was run a couple patches thru the barrel. Crud was present inside.... :scrutiny:

I took 200 rounds along but only got through around 60. This thing is a JAMM-O-MATIC. :mad: Practically every other round failure to extract or failure to feed. Several clicks with no bang. At 50 yards I managed a couple silver dollar + sized groups with the iron sights, but the frequency of no fire / clearing made the 10 shot mag good for only around 4 or 5. Tried under loading the mag (it's a metal one and not plastic) to 5, 6 and 7 rounds, made no difference. Now I'm really mad. :cuss:

Flustrated I set it aside and pulled out ole reliable AK and GP100 to vent on unsuspecting coffee cans. Ahhh, the joys of things that work like they are supposed to.

So..... Thinking back to the crud in the barrel... Brand new, never been fired... I'm gonna tear this 597 thing down to tiny parts and give it a motherful scrubbing. Gonna take it back out all cleaned and reassembled for a refire. If it still sux a$$ then the next trip will be to the gun/pawn shop to try and recoop some of my wasted money. :mad:

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clown714
May 28, 2006, 03:58 PM
if you could be alittle more specific about your jams
we,might be of some help.

but 1st,i'd try acoupla different kinds of ammo:)

clown

_N4Z_
May 28, 2006, 07:02 PM
ok

here's a recap.

bang, click, ? cleared, bang, .... failure to eject. clear, bang, .... failure to eject again. clear, bang, click again... repeat all of the above with 60-70 rounds.

sometimes the round would not go off. sometimes the spent case didn't eject properly and the bolt could not close on the next shot. sometimes the next round didn't feed. best stretch i had was 5 consecutive shots.


just got done taking it apart and cleaning. NOT impressed by this design. bolt rides on dual spring loaded shafts. they are torqued with set screws thru the rear of the reciever. they don't seem to have enuff oomph to get the bolt to engage completely and tightening beyond the recommended numbers causes the springs to bind. these spring loaded shafts are a son of a b to reassemble too. also noticed some roughness on the bolt face where the extractor comes thru. attempted to clean this up to smooth out the action.

my guess is the failure to eject was extractor issue. Failure to fire is the bolt not engaging all the way.

it's a double lemon combo madness. :barf:

Bridger
May 29, 2006, 12:22 AM
Try loosening the rails that the bolt and springs ride on a little bit, seems to make my friend's and ex-gf's work better.

Mr. Two Guns
May 29, 2006, 01:32 AM
It's the mags...My brother in law had the same problem with his 597. Remington has made three mag revisions to try and correct the problem. My brother in law says they finally got it right on the third try. He contacted Remington and they sent him the latest and greatest mag and he hasn't had the constant ftf and fte problems with the new one. Good luck.

_N4Z_
May 29, 2006, 10:17 AM
Thanks Mr. Two Guns, I will give that a try.

I took it out again this morning after loosening the rails as suggested. This was also mentioned on a Rimfire forum. Didn't really help. Initial 10 rounds only fte once, but it got progressively worse till I was back to every other shot.

Very frustrating. Shame on you Remington. :cuss:

phydaux
May 29, 2006, 10:19 AM
I got a 597 for my son and it was a "jam-o-matic" also, bought a new mag and it still was a single shot! Sold the POS , got a Ruger 10/22 and never looked back.

_N4Z_
May 29, 2006, 11:03 AM
yep, that thought has also crossed my mind in the past 48 hours.

Technosavant
May 29, 2006, 11:10 AM
1) The screws should be just touching the guide rods. Tightening them down bends the rods, causing the bolt to bind up. Sounds like this was most of your problem. Screws are to be just barely finger tight.
2) Try other ammo. Rimfires tend to be EXTREMELY ammo sensitive. It might not like Federal, try Winchester.
3) Ensure you have the 3rd generation magazines. They should be metal bodied with a "10" in a circle.
4) New guns have usually been test fired at the factory. They need full cleanings before the first range trip. I pulled the rods, springs, and the bolt out of mine and swabbed everything good.

See the Remington section on www.rimfirecentral.com for more help. The 597 is a good gun; I love mine.

cracked butt
May 29, 2006, 11:32 AM
Shame on you Remington.

I went through the same thing about 6 years ago with the 597 jammomaticI ended up selling it for a loss and was glad to get rid of it. Its a terribly designed turd of a rifle.I haven't bought another Remington since, and might never buy another again.I ended up selling it for a loss and was glad to get rid of it I don't buy the nonsense about semiauto rimfires being ammo sensitive- I've shot Browning, Ruger, and High Standard rifles and pistols and have never seen an issue with ammo causing malfunctions in any of them, maybe I just have higher expectations.

_N4Z_
May 29, 2006, 12:26 PM
brand new this thing should work when i bring it home. shouldn't need to tear it apart and scrub a dub dub to make it function properly.

"if" it was in fact test fired at the factory then it should have never been put on a shelf for sale.

it "should" fire any widely available standard load, or it's a flakey design.

just checked and the magazine does indeed have a 10 in a circle on it. guess waiting on a new mag from Rem won't make it better. i backed the screws off last night which today made little difference. the boobs at remington say the things are supposed to be torqued to 10 inch pounds. perhaps those guide rods are already goobed up from factory torqing?

i've fired many types and calibers of rifles and handguns over 30+ years and have never experienced a weapon come up this short in function. i have a remington shotgun that's a peach of a weapon, but it was made a long time ago, and everybody gets/makes a lemon from time to time.

i've emailed their customer support but more than likely i'm just going to attempt to get rid of it.

rangerruck
May 30, 2006, 04:43 AM
adjust the rails, and get the corrct mags. Call remmy up , and see if they will trade yours out for free. they usually do, get at least 3rd generation mags. go to rimfirecentral, check out the remmy threads and check the mag stickies.

Shotgunner60
May 30, 2006, 01:14 PM
Mine was great big POS Dumped it fast. Only Rem I'd own is an 870. R.

_N4Z_
May 30, 2006, 08:25 PM
well, prior to this an 870 is the only Rem i owned.

it IS well made.

ICEAGE
May 30, 2006, 10:44 PM
I have one, I've never cleaned it yet and with the factory mag with 5 rounds and a new mag with 10 rounds it runs ok. I admit it jams alot, but due to dirty mags and a weapon thats never been cleaned its ok. I think a ruger 10/22 would be better though.

I wonder how much I could sell mine for with 2 mags and a 3x9 tasco scope. Any ideas? The weapon is in decent shape.

jbs606
May 31, 2006, 12:53 AM
I have had one for 6 years now. It also gams. Will not cycle more than one round, which is the first. Mine has been in my safe for 4 years. I thought I would give it another try over the weekend. Still the same. I need to sale it or give it away and buy a 10/22 or savage.
Jbs

dfaugh
May 31, 2006, 12:07 PM
OK, now we see why I quit buying Remington firearms (and usually ammo, unless thats all that's available) many years ago...

Run (don't walk) back to the store, trade (or whatever) the 597 for a Marlin 60...be happy...

Tropical Z
May 31, 2006, 08:45 PM
Ammo was Federal 40gr Hi Velocity solid.
There's your problem.Mine hates Federal and shoots flawlessly when using Remington golden bullets.Its 100 times better shooter than a 10/22 could hope to be.

johnmcl
May 31, 2006, 08:50 PM
Hi all,

Well, up until a few hours ago, I was considering a 597. I think I'll rescope my 1962 Remington 521T and stay happy.

John

_N4Z_
May 31, 2006, 09:02 PM
There's your problem.Mine hates Federal and shoots flawlessly when using Remington golden bullets.Its 100 times better shooter than a 10/22 could hope to be.

So when you say hates, do you mean it jams practically every other shot, but operates without a problem eating a Remington diet? :scrutiny:

Schleprok62
June 1, 2006, 01:33 PM
mine seems to run fine on the Federal Champion 40gr HV's... it also like the Rem bulk stuff... :shrug Not really sure which it likes better... but I have had no problems at all with mine... Quarter sized groups @ 50 - 60 yards... :neener:

I ran the patches through the barrel... then, when I got out to the range, I just hammered out the first magazine load... no real intent... just to let off some stress...


:scrutiny:

Schleprok62
June 1, 2006, 01:35 PM
So when you say hates, do you mean it jams practically every other shot, but operates without a problem eating a Remington diet?

Uhmmm... if memory serves, my dads Nylon 66 was finicky about only Remmy ammo too... so, it wouldn't surprise me... :rolleyes:

Ridge
June 1, 2006, 02:43 PM
I have one of the first run 597's and if you really want to buy a rifle to mod the bejesus out of then sell it and buy a Ruger.

Or if you don't want to sink more money into a 22 rifle that you would have to Mod it so much that you can't count all the original parts,Buy a Marlin Model 60.

Marlin makes some of the best 22. Rifles in the world for the price.

Deathrider1579
June 1, 2006, 02:49 PM
Wow I guess I lucked out. I have had a 597 for about 3 years now, put a few thousand rounds through it and it works fine. It does jam every now and again but more often than not cleaning the mags fixes the problem.

All I use in it is the chepo Federal stuff you can get at Academy for $7 a 500 pack.

It sure does stink that yall have had a bad experiance.

-DR

Omaha-BeenGlockin
June 1, 2006, 03:01 PM
It's a Remington---what did you expect???

The only decent gun they currently produce is the 870---and NOTHING else.

They have been selling the name for way too long----quality left years ago.

aufevermike
June 1, 2006, 03:10 PM
I bought one at a garage sale a few years back with no mag. So I found some on e-bay (plastic). I had sever different kinds of ammo and sure enough it only like a few kinds. Mine loves the American Eagle. When I mean "loves" I mean that it doesn't misfire or FTF or FTE. I can put all 10 rounds in to a bingo dobber size mark at 25 yards which is perfect for a grouse's head size target. Go ahead and let Rem. give you a new mage but try some other ammo, I'm sure you'll see a big difference once you do.......Hopefully you have other 22s taht you can shoot up the ammo the 597 doesn't like. However I still agree that weapons shouldn't be so finicky about certain ammo brands.

Mike

_N4Z_
June 1, 2006, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the input Mike. I'm gonna pick up a small amount of Remmy and now American Eagle after work today. Gonna give it another shot... no pun intended. Also gonna be checking out the racks while I'm there for something maybe to trade for.

Selfdfenz
June 1, 2006, 07:56 PM
I have some experience with an earlier production 597.

It had cycling problems from the get-go but I replaced the extractor with a
3rd party unit, went thru both mag upgrades and did the guide rod adjustment combined with general fluff and buff to the extent that's possible with an action that is primarily plastic. I seem to recall replacing one other action part but for the life of me I can't remember which one it was now.

I also swapped out the hammer to reduce trigger pull but that's not germaine.

Anywho, the mods I performed made the unit reliable. After all that was done, Remington changed the extractor and came up with the 3rd generation mag.

Summary: The 597 was let out of the barn too soon. Way too soon IMO. While I see posts that indicate newer production units function much better than the old units there still seems to be a significant % of rifles that are not reliable.

I would call Remington and see what they offer. You may be able to send it back and get it repaired or replaced disappointing as that may be.

Summary II: My problem-child 597 ended up Ruger-ized by adding a .920 barrel, laminated stock etc. which was the plan to begin with. I am not gunsmith but tinkering with that rifle was an education.

I really liked and miss the way the original handled. When the local Wally World has the camo units on sale again for $139 I plan to pick one up as I feel reasonably sure I can smooth out the wrinkles if there are any.

S-

KINGMAX
June 1, 2006, 08:09 PM
Just an idea - when you load up the magazine check the rim position of the cartridge. Make sure they seat correctly and stagers back and forth. Tap the magazine in the palm of you hand firmly a couple of times. I bought my daughter a 597, our first trip to the range was not the best either. :fire: The 597 does have a break in peroid. Since then we have cycled at least 500 - 600 rounds. It seems to get better w/ each outing. :) My daughter can place 10 in a row in the size of a quarter at 75 feet, (Note: that is w/ a cheap $16.88 BSA Wally-World off the rack scope). :what: She thinks she can out shoot ol' Dad. Maybe next year !! :cool:

Goog luck & good shooting - Take your girl shooting, she will love you for it !!

_N4Z_
June 1, 2006, 09:02 PM
I really liked and miss the way the original handled. When the local Wally World has the camo units on sale again for $139 I plan to pick one up as I feel reasonably sure I can smooth out the wrinkles if there are any.

Hate to rain on your parade but Wally World has gone the way of K-mart and is no longer selling firearms.

Picked up 3 different brands of ammo on the way home tonight and took the thing back out. (They didn't have any American Eagle.. :( )

-Remington Gold bullets did far better than the Feds. Actually fired 8 out of 8.... once. Couple jams per mag from there on out.

-Winchester Power Points did not quite as good as the Golds, but still better than the Feds.

-PMC Blazers were = in function as the Feds. Most unfortunate.


I am an revolver, levergun, ak guy. These are what I own and keep and they always go bang. I like reliability and count it as the number one requirement of all my weapons. I will be trading/selling Mr. I Don't Wanna Work Everytime Remington 597. :barf: Game over.

cracked butt
June 1, 2006, 11:45 PM
There should be some sort of support group where we all sit in a circle and say "Hi, my name is xxx, and I spent money on a remington 597."

:evil:

Schleprok62
June 2, 2006, 10:33 AM
I've had a Marlin 60 that was did this type of stuff... which is why I steered clear of the Marlin this time... My 597 has been anything but unreliable... but then, like I said, I just went out first trip, first mag and just let it rip for the first magazine... fired 10 as fast as I could squeeze them out... 10 holes in the paper... but I wasn't looking for groups... just showing who's boss... :scrutiny: :neener: :what: :eek: :D

Omaha-BeenGlockin
June 2, 2006, 01:24 PM
Don't know where the rumour came from about Walmart.

Plenty of guns in our stores and still have the special order list online.

http://www.walmart.com/guns

_N4Z_
June 2, 2006, 02:36 PM
Not a rumor. The Walmarts here in Okieland have emptied out their gun racks. Our local Super WalMart has a for sale sign on the empty cases.

I've seen it with my own two eyes. :eek:


Now I don't know about the rest of the country, but why would just the ones around here make such a move unless they were all going to? :confused:

Selfdfenz
June 2, 2006, 10:54 PM
Hate to rain on your parade but Wally World has gone the way of K-mart and is no longer selling firearms.

May be true in OK but not everwhere and I bet not even everwhere in OK. Only selected WMs stopped selling firearms esp if they were not moving inventory but many still do and many still will. My local Wally World is doing very well selling firearms, ammo and other sporting goods. No plans to stop from what the sales people have to say. Are you in a metropolitan area? If so that may explain it.

If you think they all nixed firearms nationwide you are in error.

S-

_N4Z_
June 3, 2006, 02:17 AM
Hmmmmmmm, being in error...... :uhoh: Wudn't be the first time. :D

Here in these Yonders of Okiehoma the population is about 24,000. Hardly what one originally from Detroit wud call metro.

I'm gonna be contacting people from the Norman / OKC area to see if their Wallys are firearms free. Seems like a co-worker told me this was going to happen, and BAM, not 2 weeks later it did.

Interesting if only here. Will warrant digging a little deeper. :scrutiny:

bbutler
June 3, 2006, 02:34 AM
A few walmarts stoped selling firearms and the reason they did was because someone stold alot of ammo at one and shot the place or something like that.:(

_N4Z_
June 3, 2006, 03:36 PM
the 597 is sold. buh buh, and good riddance. took a hit unloading it to a pawn shop, but i feel better.

gonna keep my 870 as i've had it for close to 20 years now, it's rock solid, never a problem. it will be the only remington in my collection of toys.

remington will no longer be a consideration with any of my future firearm purchases. :barf: remington is OUT of the loop.

_N4Z_
June 3, 2006, 03:40 PM
follow upon the WalMart side thread that festered here. This is from AP news.

BENTONVILLE, Ark. - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. has decided to stop selling guns in about a third of its U.S. stores in what it calls a marketing decision based on lack of demand in some places, a company spokeswoman said Friday.

The world’s largest retailer decided last month to remove firearms from about 1,000 stores in favor of stocking other sporting goods, in line with a “Store of the Community” strategy for boosting sales by paying closer attention to local differences in demand.

“This decision is based on diminished customer relevancy and demand in these markets,” said Wal-Mart spokeswoman Jolanda Stewart.

22/3006sniper
March 27, 2008, 08:14 PM
well, first off, i had the same problem. but simply clean bolt face,extractor,magazine,and guide rods. and if u want the chamber face and inside. i did and i can pull trigger as fast as i can and it wont jam. if u want i will make a video and upload it if u want and show how it works after.:D

Antipasta
March 27, 2008, 11:42 PM
CCI MiniMags are almost always the answer. I can't remember the last time it didn't go bang. It hates Remington ammo though. Go figure...

351 WINCHESTER
March 28, 2008, 12:01 AM
Does anyone know why remington quit producing their infamour nylon 66? That was a rifle that rarely had any issues of any kind. That was a stupid move on remington's part.

magnumman44
March 28, 2008, 11:15 AM
I don't know what Remingtons you people are shooting besides the 597, but my model 7 in 7mm-08 shoots 1/4" groups at 200 yards with Remington corelokt ammo...

As far as rimfires go, my 10/22 shoots well with every type of ammo that I have used in it except FEDERAL. Take that for what its worth...but buy a 10/22!

MCgunner
March 28, 2008, 11:32 AM
I'm glad I got an excellent one. I traded for it not knowing a thing about 'em other than I'd seen 'em at WalMart. It's a magnum model in .22 mag which I'd never had before, got four .22 long rifles and counting. This thing has yet to have a jam other than on the weak as hell Winchester Dynapoint magnum loads. CCI maximag feeds flawlessly and the Varquartsen hammer Iput in it, well, the trigger is the best I have in rimfire, awesome. I read a lot of bad about the 597. Guess I got lucky. My mags are plastic, too, and both feed fine. Really fun gun to shoot and awesome accurate. My 10-22 would need 300 dollars in goodies to approach its out of the box accuracy.

As to Remington, the 870 is a POS IMHO now days, mostly the express. I have a stainless M7 in .308 I ain't tradin' for nothin'! It's my favorite hunting rifle by far, accurate, light, handy, rugged, and good lookin'. To each his own and Remington has really gone down hil in recent years, I can agree, but they still built a nice rifle IMHO. Perhaps the 597 isn't one of 'em, but mine is pretty awesome. Were I looking for a .22LR rimfire to plink or whatever with, I'd look to Ruger or Marlin, though. They don't cost any more than the Remington and FAR less chance of a lemon it seems.

CajunBass
March 28, 2008, 12:38 PM
I bought a 597 a few months ago. I took it out of the box, mounted a scope and a sling and carried it down the hill and started shooting it. It jammed one time in the first magazine, and hasn't since. I didnt clean it, oil or anything. Still haven't. It just works. I've only put a couple hundred rounds through it, but did kill a couple of squirrels with it before the season closed.

I can't say it's any "better" than the 10/22's I've got, but the one I've got seems to work pretty well.

I can't offer you any advice on your's that you haven't already gotten. Hope you get it to running right, or get what you want for it when you sell/trade it.

Slugless
March 28, 2008, 01:04 PM
351 W -

Re: the Nylon 66, I've read that Remington stopped producing them because their tooling wore out.

I'm skeptical because they sold the tooling to a brazilian company who then manufactured look-alikes. On Nylonrifles.com I've read that there was no material difference between the two rifles.

Dunno.

I've got two. I've also got a 572. All are fine rifles. But why get a 597 when you can get a Marlin?

chadtheman
October 8, 2008, 09:38 PM
i have a rem 788 it works great i also have 597 with a synth. stock i just got yesterday from big 5 for like 160 anyway it also jamed so i cleand it and everythingwe will see but i have found that in the army with our m-4s they are junk unless you clean them every time you shoot them so my idea is alittle love and alot of CLP makes every firearm work good also do any of you guys know where i can get a pistol grip style stock for this 22

Picard
October 8, 2008, 10:15 PM
Why don't you call Remington up and send it in? I'm sure that they'll want to fix it.

MemphisJim1
October 9, 2008, 12:10 AM
I have three 597s: 1) .22LR with heavy barrel and thumbhole stock; 2) .22WMR, heavy barrel, aftermarket thumbhole stock; 3) .17HMR, standard barrel, synthetic stock. All are scoped. For whatever reason, from day one all three have operated flawlessly with great accuracy.

For the .22LR I mainly shoot CCI Mini-Mags but I have regularly fed it Winchester high velocity and target as well as WallyWorld Federal bulk. The only failures I've ever experienced involved Remington Goldens; none of my rimfires like the stuff anyway so I don't buy it.

The .22WMR mainly gets fed CCI Maxi-Mag, but it does quite well with Winchester Dynapoint and Federal FMJs.

I'm still experimenting with the .17HMR, but so far it likes anything I've fed it. My best results to date are with CCI TNT and Winchester Supreme. But it also happily shoots Hornady and Federal V-Shok.

It saddens me to hear others' horror stories with 597s. Mine have given me many hours of trouble-free enjoyment at the range. For one, I'm a fan of the 597.

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