new way to deal with an attacking dog

[MedGrl]

I was in a pet store today and saw a product near the front that basicaly equates to pepper spray for use on animals. I can't remember the name of the product at the moment but it is citranella based, works against dogs and is guarenteed not to increase their agression levle. It also claimed to be "100% humane" and would greatly decrese your liability. It also claimed that there was "no harmful risk of blowback". (aka: it won't effect you if the wind blows it back towards you).

I've seen several threads reguarding different ways to handle dog attacks. WHat do you all think about this as a possibility?

[real_name]

I've seen this, it's also used in anti-bark collars. the collar delivers a dose when the dog barks and they learn to stop.
According to an online product description it is also useful on other animals.


DirectStop is a highly effective, safe and humane way to deter aggressive animals. When tested with trained attack dogs, this revolutionary citronella formula was found to be as effective as 10% pepper spray, yet without harmful side effects. Unlike pepper spray, DirectStop does not cause pain, therefore will not increase aggression. In addition, it won't injure the user if spray is accidently blown back into the eyes. DirectStop is also effective on cats, venomous snakes, raccoons, squirrels, opossums, etc

http://pet-guys.stores.yahoo.net/-759023037580.html

[Lucky]

Bears? :)

[MedGrl]

Real_Name~

Thanks I couldn't remember the product name. Direct Stop is it. I thought it looked interesting.

[TallPine]

I suppose it might be useful for someone who frequently must deal with aggressive dogs ...

but right now I am loaded down with just about all that I can carry - as are many others I expect.

Let's see ... I am supposed to carry dog spray for dogs, bear spray for bears, people spray for people, a shovel for rattlesnakes ... :rolleyes: :D

Oh - do they make a mtn lion spray by any chance :confused:

(all of the above I could possibly encounter in my own neighborhood, btw )

[hso]

I'd like to see if it's really as effective as OC before I bet my butt on it.

What liability are they babbling about since OC doesn't kill or maim fido?

As a training tool I could see it, but as a defensive tool against dogs it sounds suspect.

[1911Tuner]

Stick...length, 5 feet/diameter, 1/2 to 5/8ths inch...Pointy on the end. Point the pointy end at Bowser. He'll go for that unless he's trained not to. When he bites the pointy end of the stick, shove it down his throat clear out his Dog Chow exit. Walk away and let the dog deal with his new problem.

If he has another dog as backup, yank the ingested stick sideways and break it off so you'll have another one for Dog #2 to chew on.

[ball3006]

have worked perfectly defending myself from dog attacks...................no use pussyfooting around the topic. Just use what works........chris3

[1911Tuner]

+1 Chris...No use in bein' gentle. The dog won't.

[pcf]

It also claimed that there was "no harmful risk of blowback". (aka: it won't effect you if the wind blows it back towards you).

As much harm or discomfort a product delivers does not differ between dogs and humans. If you can spray it in your face and say "wow that's obnoxius" the dog will have a similar reaction. If you spray it in your face, eyelids clamp shut and "this really sucks" sounds like "sputter, cough, sputter, gag" the dog will have a similar reaction. Save the citronella and the spray bottle for training.

[AJAX22]

I've always been a big fan of lead spray, seems to be effective against anything with a pulse.

[Mannlicher]

I would rank this up there with those gas additives that promise 100mpg from your Buick. Sounds good, probably won't work as promised.

[zoom6zoom]

At least that citronella will keep the mosquitos from biting you as you lie there bleeding....

[1911Tuner]

zoomzoom said:

>At least that citronella will keep the mosquitos from biting you as you lie there bleeding....<
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Right there! That's what I'm talkin' bout!

People...if a dog that weighs as much as 40 pounds is serious and committed to an attack, you ain't got time to take the kind, gentle approach by fiddlin' with little aerosol cans unless you're hopin' that by swallowin' the can along with your fingers you'll give him a bad enough bellyache to go home. You've gotta get on the dog's level. Hurt him! Hurt him bad, so that...on the primeval level he'll know that he just jumped on the wrong dog...and you'll make out okay. If he dies, he dies.

[Freddymac]

If you know that a dog is going to bite and you have no weapons, when it opens its mouth to bite, jam your fist as deep and as hard as possible INTO its mouth, then wrap your free arm around its neck and put it in a head lock, and squeeze. In a few seconds, it will start to pass out. This works because if you get your hand in deep enough it is extremely painful for the dog and it has no leverage to bite, hence almost eliminating its bite force. Also dogs teeth are designed to cut when something pulls away or the dog bites and then pulls back. Their teeth are useless for stopping from going deeper. As your fist goes deeper it will block off its airway, causing it to faint. I know that this sounds nuts, but it works. My aunt used to own a kennel, and told me about this. And spending summers there as a teenager, and being bitten and attacked by a few dogs, I have done this and it works. Remember…NEVER run from a dog…NEVER. They are faster than all but the fastest of us, and their chase instinct kicks in, and instead of master you become a rabbit or deer or some other animal.

[boxcab]

Freddymac,

What do you do with those claws that will be shredding your exterior into your interior during the time the doggy takes to pass out?? I've been able to keep the tooth end away from myself in the past, but those claws come at you from every direction!

-Boxcab

[mp510]

Sounds interesting! What are the legal issues involved with owning or carrying this product?

[pcf]

If you know that a dog is going to bite and you have no weapons, when it opens its mouth to bite, jam your fist as deep and as hard as possible INTO its mouth, then wrap your free arm around its neck and put it in a head lock, and squeeze. In a few seconds, it will start to pass out.

If you're fast enough to shove you're fist down an attacking dog's throat, you're better off picking up a rock and beating the dogs head in. Injuries from dog attacks are caused exclusively by biting, biting come exclusively from the dogs mouth. It's stupid to put you hands in or near the only part of an attacking dog that can injure you (unless you're protecting your face).

If you choke a dog out and don't kill it, as soon as, it wakes up it's game on all the way.

If this dog is a fear biter/hand biter, the more physical you become with it the more aggressive it will become. The next time this dog is sees a raised hand, it goes from fear biting to full a blown "condition black" attack. Or, the next time someone turns their back on the dog, the next thing they will feel is teeth in their neck. How responsible is it for a someone to physical abuse another person's dog in a kennel?

I've spent a little time in dog shelters, if you get physical with an aggressive dog your running a serious risk of getting bit, if at all avoidable never deal with aggressive dogs alone, and never do it without the appropiate equipment. There's a saying about playing with matches and knives.

If a dog shows signs of attacking make eye contact, take an aggressive stance like you're going to pummel the crap out of the dog, and as angrily and with as many expletives as possible let the dog know he needs to get away from you. These are dogs that haven't made up there mind to attack you, dominance and aggressive behavoir will almost always deter an attack, never break eye contact. Or shoot the dog if it stand still enough for you to safely shoot. If you pepper spray, kill the dog while it's down or get up a tree. Don't hang around.

If a dog attacks you, you're going to get bit, suck it up take it on the hand or leg, either beats the face. Once it bites, shoot, stab, choke or bludgeon the dog, kill it.

[meef]

If you know that a dog is going to bite and you have no weapons, when it opens its mouth to bite, jam your fist as deep and as hard as possible INTO its mouth,
Hmmmm...... that reminds me of the last time I tried that trick.

Hey, I jammed my fist so far down that damn dog's throat - when I wiggled my little finger the folks standing nearby thought that the mutt had one really big pinworm trying to get out.

Yep, Fido never messed with me again.


:D

[joab]

It's stupid to put you hands in or near the only part of an attacking dog that can injure you
The poster (apparently) and I have both had to employ this method. It works and works well.
I did vary my method by shoving my forearm into the dog's mouth.
I've spent a little time in dog shelters, if you get physical with an aggressive dog your running a serious risk of getting bit, if at all avoidable never deal with aggressive dogs alone, and never do it without the appropriate equipment. There's a saying about playing with matches and knives.I spent a little time being bitten by other peoples dogs and it is not always possible to stop an attack until you have proper back up and equipment. There's also a saying about the fight being what it wants to be and not what you want it to be
If a dog shows signs of attacking make eye contact, take an aggressive stance like you're going to pummel the crap out of the dog, and as angrily and with as many expletives as possible let the dog know he needs to get away from you. These are dogs that haven't made up there mind to attack you, dominance and aggressive behavoir will almost always deter an attack, never break eye contact. Or shoot the dog if it stand still enough for you to safely shoot. If you pepper spray, kill the dog while it's down or get up a tree. Don't hang around.You are aware of course that many breeds will escalate their aggression when you make eye contact. Standing there cussing out an angry Rott just doesn't make sense to me
If a dog attacks you, you're going to get bit, suck it up take it on the hand or leg, either beats the face. Once it bites, shoot, stab, choke or bludgeon the dog, kill it.Isn't that kinda what Freddy said just before you called his method stupid.
If you are going to get bit use that to your advantage.
There is another old saying about using your weakness to your advantage and your opponents strengths against him.

To think that there is only one way to handle any situation is a very real form of situation unawareness that will get you hurt someday.


The only thing I can see depending on the Citronella spray for is if you have an obnoxious dog (like mine) that wants to bark at you every time you walk down the street.
A quick spritz of this may be enough to make him avoid you when you come around.
Kind of a human version of a skunk

[Freddymac]

I never abused any ones dog in my aunt's kennel, what I was saying was that were I heard this method, as a last resort defense for a dog that has committed to attacking. I was talking about when a dog is in attack mode, not barking and growling because it is afraid. Trust me, if a dog has made up its mind to bite you, it IS gong to try to bite you. And when dogs commit to biting, it not as if they are going to nibble a little, then get board and go away. Believe me, I have seen and received my fair share of dog bites, and “taking it on the arm or leg is not a good idea. Giving a dog your arm is not good, because the diameter of the average persons arm gives the average big dog the perfect size object to clamp down on and hold on to, and the same goes for your leg. What’s worse, is that the dog then has leverage to pull you down, then they can really have fun with you.
I knew that I would catch flack for that post, but what I said works because of a dog’s physiology, combined with simply physics. By putting some thing as big as your fist that close to the jaw’s hinge, you severely limit, or even completely remove the jaw muscles ability to impart force on whatever is in its mouth.

[marinr]

Freddy,

Some people just get their jollies by peeing in someone else's corn flakes.

Thanks for the tip

[azredhawk44]

Freddy -

I have heard similar tips when training a puppy not to nip at his master. Dogs hate having their "target" shoved back into their throat. They stop. The choke is a good addition, if you can dodge the claws, for a truly aggressive animal.

I'm not interested in putting my own safety on the line to intentionally grapple with a dog, if I have lead spray instead. That's why we have guns, folks.

A dog that bites or attacks others needs to be put down. If it lunges at you or a loved one, do the only thing that is sure to put it down immediately - shoot it.

[armedandsafe]

When I went through a little bit of training in England, we were taught to shove a fist into the dog's mouth and clamp down on the back of the tongue HARD. Then shove that down his throat while hugging the dog to you as closely and tightly as possible. When the dog collapses, straddle him, grab the muzzle and twist.

If there is more than one dog, politley ask your backup to shoot the OTHER ones. :D

Pops

[HankB]

Citronella spray? This silliness sounds like it comes from the people who tell women to carry a "rape whistle" instead of a gun.

Before the days of commercially available pepper spray, I made my own dog repellent out of concentrated ammonia (From a diazo blueprint developer - it was MUCH stronger than the cleaners you buy at the grocery store) mixed with powdered cayenne pepper. The few times I needed to use it, it worked well.

[hurrakane212]

I dunno about ya'll, but I've never encountered an agressive dog that my boots couldn't handle. Rotts, pitts, german shepherds, "pet" wolves, etc. I love dogs and don't condone animal abuse but when a dog switches from barking to growling and I don't have a stick, I ready my knife and start with the footwork. I knocked a rotwieler the F**k out with a fieldgoal kick to the side of the head.
Of course I wear thick Danner boots often with steel toes. When a dog is displaying "I am afraid of you and calling for help by barking but I might get aggressive" language or even when the barking just starts to become a growl and the head drops to protect the throat, I have found it effective on all but the most aggressive of dogs to bear my teeth and "roar" at them and rush them a bit. If they start to counter, on comes the fieldgoal kick. Remember that dogs can smell fear, so you must not allow yourself to feel fear. Spray is nice when you have it, sticks are better, guns will end the threat from the dog, but maybe cause a lawsuit from the owner. I never go anywhere withouth my feet... and I always wear sturdy foot gear. If a dog does manage to bite my steel toed boot (or my steel toed trail sneakers for that matter) then it can have fun swallowing it's teeth.~Nathan

[mete]

Here's one way but the authorities in the UK disapprove ! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5038304.stm

[Byron Quick]

I must have missed where English authorities expressed disapproval in the story.

If a dog attacks me, I will shoot the dog. As far as incurring liability goes, the owner of the aggressive dog has more than I. My actions are covered under self defense statutes. Besides, if the owner even thinks about making liability noises, my lawyer will contact him about my mental anguish, my nightmares, my insomnia, my PTSD treatment course which will probably require years of intensive counselling.

I don't really care how effective some chemical agent is against the vast majority. Based on experience, I have this talent for getting crosswise with the tiny minority who are not affected by that chemical agent. Haven't heard of anyone being immune to repeated application of lead bullets.

And yes, I've encountered aggressive dogs that I seriously doubt your boots could handle. Walked up on a darkened trailer one night, tracing a skipped customer. Suddenly heard a rapid, tinkling sound. Took three large steps to the rear. Suddenly there was a St. Bernard standing in front of me on its hind feet, slavering, snarling, and generally doing one hell of a Cujo impression. Leashed by a logging chain. I know a man who wears size 18 boots who I don't think could kick that dog down. I'm six feet tall. Standing up on his hind legs that dog was taller than me. Saw another St. Bernard catch a pickup truck one day. He almost brought the fender home with him, too.

There are dogs out there who make large male Rotties look like lap dogs. Even with a Rottie, make one little error of timing with your kick and ,boy, will it suck to be you.

[wheelgunslinger]

Freddymac posted a very good approach. If you aren't armed, or can't draw quickly enough, then choking the dog out is another approach.
Yet another good reason to not be a couch commando and keep your physical self in good shape.

[Yakko]

I used to work for a rent-to-own store. I had the lovely task of doing collection calls and reposessions as part of my job.

We had these big metal clipboards that would fold closed to protect documents from the elements. They did their job well.

I had to use it for self defense against a dog once, it worked well for that too.

[hurrakane212]

Yeah there are always exceptions. I'd much rather have spray a stick or a gun... but i'd rather throw a kick then put my hands near it's teeth as was suggested (and may very well be very effective) earlier. Also, St. Bernards and Mastiffs are more like small bears. A whole new set of tactics when you go from anklebiter, to mid sized, to really huge. JMHO and Just what has worked for me. ~Nathan