Glock 21 vs. Springfield XD45


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Surefire
May 30, 2006, 02:15 AM
Now that I have both of these pistols, for my tastes, the Springfield XD is a better overall platform. I think as more and more people try XDs, they will eventually become popular enough to warrant more accessories...

XD45 advantages IMO (in no particular order):

1. Ergonomics: Grip shape is more natural, no finger grooves, smaller grip.
2. Trigger: safety on the trigger is more comfortable than the Glock 21's. The Glocks 21's (and all Glocks I've owned) safety lever digs into my trigger finger and begins to hurt and/or annoy usually after 50 rounds. The design of the XD trigger somehow makes the safety lever on it less abrasive. As for the trigger pull itself, the Glock feels lighter but mushier and longer. The XD trigger pulls seems shorter (less travel), but heavier--although slightly crisper.
3. Recoil: Both guns are mild in this area, but to me the XD recoil is a tad softer than the G21. Maybe because the ergonomics fit me better.
4. Accuracy: Both are really good in this area, but my Glock tends to get 1-2 "fliers" per magazine. My XD will consistently put all 10 in the black.
5. XD45 is SLIGHTLY easier to field strip IMO (strips like a Sig)
6. Forward slide serrations
7. Safety: I like the grip safety, especially on a pistol with a short trigger travel that does NOT have a manual safety
8. Steel Magazines
9. Steel sights
10. Steel guide rod
11. Price

Glock advantages IMO (in no particular order):

1. Longer track record
2. More support for fixing (armorers, gunsmiths usually know the Glock design a little better)
3. More parts and custom accessories available
4. Corrosion resistence
5. Long term durability?

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Gator
May 30, 2006, 02:44 AM
Thanks for the review.

I have only examined the XD45 in my local gunstore, but I plan to sell my Glock 21 and buy one soon! There is nothing really wrong with the Glock, but the XD fits my hand so much better and I do like the grip safety and steel mags.

airborne19822003
May 30, 2006, 08:05 AM
Just curious...

I have heard that with the XD .45 SA is using a new finish, does anyone have any information on the projected durability of SA's new finish compared to the Glock finish??

SGT D
Mosul, Iraq

Ala Dan
May 30, 2006, 11:57 AM
Hello All-

I'm told that Springfields new Melonite finish was first used on the
XD-.45 ACP's; but they plan too use it on all future XD's. Its longevity
is thought too be equal too Glocks Tennifer process? I think that
the jury is still out on this issue~!:uhoh: :D

phantomak47
May 30, 2006, 01:01 PM
Glock advantages IMO (in no particular order):

1. Longer track record
2. More support for fixing (armorers, gunsmiths usually know the Glock design a little better)
3. More parts and custom accessories available
4. Corrosion resistence
5. Long term durability?
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How about LAPD dropped Glock 21s off their approved pistol list after Glock came out 3 times to try to fix their pistols after numerous failure to fire and accidental discharges.

Mongo the Mutterer
May 30, 2006, 01:06 PM
Thank you Surefire. Nice Review.

Euclidean
May 30, 2006, 01:25 PM
They're both good choices, but I'm in the XD camp for the reasons mentioned...

When I bought my first XD-45, I wish I could remember the gentleman's name but he was a very helpful and knowledgeable dealer because he was also a CCW trainer located I think in Waco somewhere. He was a hardcore member of the 1911 cult, but told me he liked the XD .45 platform for people who just didn't want a 1911. That's pretty high praise from one of those 1911 guys.

At any rate, he was a fan of the Glock 21 too as a 1911 alternative, and as a consequence he had both guns on display right next to each other. What amazes me so much is that if you just look at both of these guns, you think "Oh it's just a Glock and a Glock ripoff."

The instant you pick up one and then the other however, it's like night and day. I don't really care too much for Glock, I kind of like the Glock 19 and the Glock 30 to a lesser extent, but I've never had trouble resisting the temptation to buy either one. But the XD... man alive it's like somebody somewhere said "Okay, listen up, I am going to make a semiautomatic pistol just for you that is to your specifications so you can quit whining about how you don't like this or that or the other... There's your gun, now buy it!"

Seriously, the XD platform, although I found it a little weird at first as I'm still revolver centric in my thinking, was intuitive after just a little practice. I started on the XD40 and pretty soon I had a pair of XD40s. After about a year of trading, I traded my XD40s in and got .45s to replace them with, I acquired an XD9 service, and I wound up buying an XD9 SC from a friend. Other than a Ruger that has sentimental value, it's the only self loading platform I own because it's the best semiautomatic pistol I've found. I've tried other things and there are some nice semiautos out there, but I keep coming back to the XD.

Glock may get me yet in a moment of weakness, but I have 4 XD pistols and have owned 2 others. Two of these are XD45ACP service models. I'm quite happy with them and would buy another. I'm tempted by the XD45ACP tactical and if they ever try a SC version, I'll be all over that.

My only concern is that since they're made in such an unstable part of the world and are still a niche product, parts availability may be a problem one day, so I feel obligated to get them in pairs.

30-06 lover
May 30, 2006, 01:47 PM
I have shot an XD 9mm and was not impressed at all. I know it isn't the 45, but the trigger was one of the worst I have shot! Different strokes for different folks, but man I hated the gun when I shot it...I much prefer the 21, but I still hold the USP as the most superior polymer 45.
-Mike

AndABeer
May 30, 2006, 04:41 PM
Speaking of the trigger, how is the XD45's reset? The Glock trigger reset is one of the better ones out there. I noticed shooting the XD 9mm some years ago that it was on the long side. A short reset is high on my list for desirable pistol traits.

Daniel T
May 30, 2006, 06:49 PM
My XD will consistently put all 10 in the black.

Only 10? ;)

GunFixer
May 30, 2006, 06:55 PM
I have had no problems with Glock but hasn't there been some issues with them lately. I thought I read something about some parts that needed to be upgraded with the safer versions on the new generation Glocks?

GunNut
May 30, 2006, 10:37 PM
How about LAPD dropped Glock 21s off their approved pistol list after Glock came out 3 times to try to fix their pistols after numerous failure to fire and accidental discharges.



That may be true, but the XD45 has zero track record in police departments.

While the Glock 21 may have had some issues, we don't know if it is a couple guns out of hundreds or thousands, having problems; or every gun having problems(which i seriously doubt).

gunmetal
May 30, 2006, 11:26 PM
I thought I read something about some parts that needed to be upgraded with the safer versions on the new generation Glocks?

That's a pretty OLD issue actually. There were 6 parts that received "upgrades" and that was quite some time ago.

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq.html

airborne19822003
May 31, 2006, 02:09 PM
Speaking of the trigger, how is the XD45's reset? The Glock trigger reset is one of the better ones out there. I noticed shooting the XD 9mm some years ago that it was on the long side. A short reset is high on my list for desirable pistol traits.

I am getting the XD .45 when I get home on mid tour leave, so I posted the link below. Fair price on the trigger job reccomended...gets the reset to about 1/8th of an inch!! I will post a thread when I get the pistol, then another after the trigger job, time will tell for me.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=202952


SGT D
Mosul, Iraq

bigmike45
May 31, 2006, 04:44 PM
Actually....I know of one Sheriffs Department, here in Texas, where the deputies have all exchanged their S&W 4706's for the new XD-45 Service. I think there are around 30 deputies and reservists.

charlesb_la
May 31, 2006, 04:55 PM
Melonite is the same as Tenifer.

From http://www.durferrit.com/en/unternehmen/firmengeschichte.htm






To meet the growing needs with regard to wear and corrosion resistance, as well as the enhancement of the fatigue strength, great efforts were devoted to the development and launching of the TENIFERŽ process, which is also known worldwide under the trade names of TUFFTRIDEŽ and MELONITEŽ. This nitrocarburizing process has undergone continuous development with regard to its regenerability and ecology, and from year-to-year the number of applications is increasing on all 5 continents.

Serendipity
May 31, 2006, 07:11 PM
The LA G21 "problems" had to do with light strikes. Accidental discharges had nothing to do with the "problems." The LA, G21 non-problems have been pretty well covered in other threads.

sigma 40ve
May 31, 2006, 10:24 PM
Daniel T Quote:
Originally Posted by Surefire
My XD will consistently put all 10 in the black.


Only 10?


Maybe a 10 only state?

Surefire
May 31, 2006, 10:55 PM
Yes, low capacity magazines only allowed in this state.

AndABeer
June 1, 2006, 09:29 AM
I am getting the XD .45 when I get home on mid tour leave, so I posted the link below. Fair price on the trigger job reccomended...gets the reset to about 1/8th of an inch!! I will post a thread when I get the pistol, then another after the trigger job, time will tell for me.

Well then when they intro the XD 10 I'll be one of the first to que up. :D

nitesite
June 1, 2006, 04:30 PM
Well then when they intro the XD 10 I'll be one of the first to que up.

Yep, so for now I have a Glock 29 to keep my XD-45 company. I'm very pleased (and fortunate) to own each of them! :)

I can't make up my mind which one to leave home with and bring to work, so I bring both and one remains locked in the truck while one comes inside.

freebird
June 1, 2006, 04:32 PM
The XD .45 is a definite favorite of mine. It feels much better in my hands than my Glock. Both have been good to me but the XD by far is my favorite.

nitesite
June 1, 2006, 04:44 PM
I'm told that Springfields new Melonite finish was first used on the
XD-.45 ACP's; but they plan too use it on all future XD's. Its longevity
is thought too be equal too Glocks Tennifer process? I think that
the jury is still out on this issue~!

Hi, Dan!

I believe that Melanite and Tenifer are the same process, with Tenifer being Glocks proprietary moniker for the finish.

If you have a Sub-Compact, you don't have the melonite finish. That
finish is only available on our new XD .45 ACP models and we don't have
a Sub-Compact .45 ACP. It would have the black Armory Kote if it where
refinished here (unless you want it parkerized...but the Armory Kote is
a better finish). Armory Kote is the same finish that we use on our
1911 TRP. Melonite is the same thing as Tennifer (two companies, two
different names). We can not melonite an existing slide. That is done
overseas and during the heat treating process.

John Moe
Regional Dealer Representative
Springfield Armory
420 West Main St.
Geneseo, IL 61254
800-680-6866

OOOPS~ I just saw the post from charlesb_la

Frenchy
June 2, 2006, 05:36 AM
I am getting the XD .45 when I get home on mid tour leave, so I posted the link below. Fair price on the trigger job reccomended...gets the reset to about 1/8th of an inch!! I will post a thread when I get the pistol, then another after the trigger job, time will tell for me.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=202952


SGT D
Mosul, Iraq

Mine is at CC as we speak...Should have back the first part of next week.

Browns Fan
June 2, 2006, 09:17 AM
The guy who got me into IDPA is a big Glock fan. I ran into him last night and he said this mutual friend of ours bought a .45acp XD and he likes it. He wants to borrow it for a match before he decides to buy one himself!

airborne19822003
June 2, 2006, 09:18 AM
I look forward to your review of the new trigger....Hope you love it!!!

SGT D
Mosul, Iraq

pablo45
June 2, 2006, 07:20 PM
I am sorry my friend but i have to totally disagree with most of the things the xd ban wagon is saying.The xd is not even comparable to the g21.And what does lapd know about guns they use to use the stuff they confiscated off the criminals until they found the kimbers.They are the most gun hating crew out there.
First the magazines on a glock are steal lined and platic covered it is like your house with extra insulation and protection.Try dropping the xd mags fully loaded on the concrete it aint going to happen.The plastic also covers those sharp edges the xd has on the bottom of their mags.So if you need to grab quick you will not cut yourself.The glock is the only mag i know you can leave fully loaded and not worry about the spring wearing out.Unlike springfeild who is known for there weak springs thats why anyone who buys a springfeild 1911 they buy wilson mags.
The price=I have been researching this for awhile and the cheapest xd i found was 560.The cheapest glock i found was around 450.So glock won those two rounds.
Now ergonomics=The glock is known for the simplisity and feild stripping.Saying the xd is easier to take down is like saying we are getting our butts kicked by iraq.It is just not true.
all in all the glock does have the thicker grip but the xd ban wagon saying glock misses the paper is just wrong.Maybe who ever is shooting the glock should try aiming.I have yet to not score a hundred with my glock duty pistol and i dont think i ever will not.That is why 80% of leos out there are either issued glock or buy there own.And all that rubish about the discharge are 100% human error.And you shouldnt need a little bead in the back of the slide to tell you one is chambered.
Sorry glock wins by first round knock out and there will be no rematch.So get rid of all those sissy guns and get yourself a glock.When your life depends on it i wouldnt use nothing but the best.

Frenchy
June 2, 2006, 08:10 PM
I am sorry my friend but i have to totally disagree with most of the things the xd ban wagon is saying.The xd is not even comparable to the g21.And what does lapd know about guns they use to use the stuff they confiscated off the criminals until they found the kimbers.They are the most gun hating crew out there.
First the magazines on a glock are steal lined and platic covered it is like your house with extra insulation and protection.Try dropping the xd mags fully loaded on the concrete it aint going to happen.The plastic also covers those sharp edges the xd has on the bottom of their mags.So if you need to grab quick you will not cut yourself.The glock is the only mag i know you can leave fully loaded and not worry about the spring wearing out.Unlike springfeild who is known for there weak springs thats why anyone who buys a springfeild 1911 they buy wilson mags.
The price=I have been researching this for awhile and the cheapest xd i found was 560.The cheapest glock i found was around 450.So glock won those two rounds.
Now ergonomics=The glock is known for the simplisity and feild stripping.Saying the xd is easier to take down is like saying we are getting our butts kicked by iraq.It is just not true.
all in all the glock does have the thicker grip but the xd ban wagon saying glock misses the paper is just wrong.Maybe who ever is shooting the glock should try aiming.I have yet to not score a hundred with my glock duty pistol and i dont think i ever will not.That is why 80% of leos out there are either issued glock or buy there own.And all that rubish about the discharge are 100% human error.And you shouldnt need a little bead in the back of the slide to tell you one is chambered.
Sorry glock wins by first round knock out and there will be no rematch.So get rid of all those sissy guns and get yourself a glock.When your life depends on it i wouldnt use nothing but the best.

http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3219/glock6bc.jpg

Euclidean
June 2, 2006, 08:36 PM
I am sorry my friend but i have to totally disagree with most of the things the xd ban wagon is saying.The xd is not even comparable to the g21.

Thank you for saying that: they are indeed different.

And what does lapd know about guns they use to use the stuff they confiscated off the criminals until they found the kimbers.

I doubt the veracity of that statement.

They are the most gun hating crew out there.

According to? Or do you have proof?

First the magazines on a glock are steal lined and platic covered it is like your house with extra insulation and protection.Try dropping the xd mags fully loaded on the concrete it aint going to happen.

Done it. More than once. And not on purpose. They recover just fine. Might scuff the baseplate a little bit, but them's the brakes.

The plastic also covers those sharp edges the xd has on the bottom of their mags.So if you need to grab quick you will not cut yourself.The glock is the only mag i know you can leave fully loaded and not worry about the spring wearing out.Unlike springfeild who is known for there weak springs thats why anyone who buys a springfeild 1911 they buy wilson mags.

This is an ignorant statement. I have personally dissassembled the XD magazine and it does not have sharp edges.

The Glock is not the only magazine you can leave fully loaded and not have to worry about. Smith and Wesson, VZ, Sig, HK and yes even the XD magazines can be left this way for years on end.

And finally... have you ever loaded any of the XD mags especially the early ones? Those things will make a believer of anybody. When I get new XD mags in any caliber besides .45 (which has an improved design it seems) I leave it loaded for a few months to smooth out some of the tension, and even then it's still tight as Fort Knox. As a matter of fact, many quality pistol magazines are like this.

The price=I have been researching this for awhile and the cheapest xd i found was 560.The cheapest glock i found was around 450.So glock won those two rounds.

Okay let's compare. XD45ACP vs. G21

$530
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=49812083

$520
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=49842357

The only reason the XD is $10 more right now is because it is new and they can get away with selling it for that much.

Look into the other chamberings, and you'll find that XDs are on average cheaper than Glocks. For the .45s, time will tell.

Now ergonomics=The glock is known for the simplisity and feild stripping.Saying the xd is easier to take down is like saying we are getting our butts kicked by iraq.It is just not true.

Let's see, drop magazine, open/clear chamber, slide up lever, pull trigger, done. Granted the Glock isn't exactly complicated either, I call it a tie here so I agree with you.

all in all the glock does have the thicker grip but the xd ban wagon saying glock misses the paper is just wrong.Maybe who ever is shooting the glock should try aiming.I have yet to not score a hundred with my glock duty pistol and i dont think i ever will not.That is why 80% of leos out there are either issued glock or buy there own.

So you're saying I should use an akward tool and learn to compensate for it rather than use a tool that's better for me personally and actually learn to improve my marksmanship?

Also, the reason LEOs have Glocks is the price. Have you seen what agencies pay for Glocks? If I could get new Glocks for less than 3 bills I'd have Glocks too!

And all that rubish about the discharge are 100% human error.And you shouldnt need a little bead in the back of the slide to tell you one is chambered.

We agree again, I never use the loaded chamber indicator; I trust my eyes and fingers only. It does serve as a substitute for a press check FWIW, but the presence of it is not why I like the gun.

Sorry glock wins by first round knock out and there will be no rematch.So get rid of all those sissy guns and get yourself a glock.When your life depends on it i wouldnt use nothing but the best.

Wow. Just wow. I have no rebuttal for that kind of eloquence.

GunNut
June 2, 2006, 10:37 PM
Why do we always end up arguing 9mm vs 45ACP, Glock vs XD, this vs that???

Just because someone buys a Glock, does not make it the best handgun in the world. Just because someone buys an XD, does not make it the best.

I like both guns, they both have good and bad things about them. I don't like the longer grip on the XD45, so guess what?? I don't have to buy one.

Guys remember these are our opinions, none decide what everyone else buys.

If you like the XD45, congrats to you. It is a great gun, but it is also new and needs to prove itself long term.

Steve

distra
June 2, 2006, 11:13 PM
+1 GunNut. Neither one is a 1911! :neener:

Surefire
June 2, 2006, 11:16 PM
Guys remember these are our opinions, none decide what everyone else buys.

If you like the XD45, congrats to you. It is a great gun, but it is also new and needs to prove itself long term.

Ditto what GunNut said...

GunNut hits the nail on the head. This is all our personal opinions, but I see a very small percentage of folks like to state them as facts.

Euclidean
June 2, 2006, 11:38 PM
If you like the XD45, congrats to you. It is a great gun, but it is also new and needs to prove itself long term.

Prove what? It either works or it does not. It's a boolean condition you could say.

By that logic, we should all gravitate to the Colt SAA. It's proven!

I'm not saying that one is just worlds better than the other, matter of fact if you have a Glock 21 and are happy with it don't give the XD a second thought, but when people post baseless things that I personally know for a fact are wrong, like the above, that's just silly.

KINGMAX
June 2, 2006, 11:44 PM
I own and carry a GLOCK 21. I have shot the XD-45, and have only great things to say about it. In there own way they both feel good in the hand. The XD-45 has great position on the slide release, so + 1 for the XD-45. The GLOCK 21 breaks down so quick and ez, + 1 for the GLOCK 21. You could go back and forth all week long. I do know one thing - I will own a XD-45 soon. Good luck trying to sort this one out. I am not the one to call this one. I like them both equally. This will be an opinion battle that will go on forever.

I am willing to say that a poll would be divided 50/50, or very close to that. :banghead:

Historicaly, down the road, will the XD-45 still be in the race 20 years from today ?? That will be the true acid test. :confused:

Good shooting to all, take a girl to the range, she will love you for it. :cool:

Surefire
June 2, 2006, 11:50 PM
^A poll would be interesting.

I'm more inclined to think that Glock would have an edge in a poll, because it is a more established design.

GunNut
June 2, 2006, 11:54 PM
Prove what? It either works or it does not. It's a boolean condition you could say.

The XD45 has been on the market for what six months? Let's wait and see what these guns are doing when they have 10K, 20K or 100K rounds through them.

Hell, a Jennings or Lorcin will go bang a few times. It's longevity and durability that count.

Previous XD's would rust from being carried, but I guess that is not a problem. They say that issue is taken care of, but who knows?

I've owned XD9's and XD40's, but got rid of them. They were extremely accurate, just not my thing at the time.

I don't even own a G21, but will soon.

Why are we in such a hurry to crown a new king in the gunworld? Yes, the XD45 is the HOT gun right now. I'm glad everyone that has one loves it.

But it is no better than a Glock, Sig or HK; it's just the gun of now.

Steve

Euclidean
June 3, 2006, 12:30 AM
The XD45 has been on the market for what six months? Let's wait and see what these guns are doing when they have 10K, 20K or 100K rounds through them.

One gun rag already put it through a 20k round torture test.

My first XD ever, I lost count of all the rounds through it, never a problem. It was a .40 S&W. Had one FTF in all that, the first FTF I've had in years, and that was the ammo's fault not the gun's. Tap rack bang took less than a second and it was firing again.

My first XD45ACP I've had for 6 months now and it's been through probably 3,000 rounds of dirt cheap ammo. The dirt cheapest stuff I could find. Not a problem to be found.

I've had several others whose ammo counts aren't as impressive, still have a 9mm I need to continue through its paces, never a problem.

And ultimately all that proves what exactly? Beats me. But there you go.

The platform has been around for years, it's just becoming popular now. Its track record starts in 1999.

If nothing else I'll kindly submit myself as a beta tester of sorts then, because as far as I'm concerned it works.

Hell, a Jennings or Lorcin will go bang a few times. It's longevity and durability that count.

Previous XD's would rust from being carried, but I guess that is not a problem. They say that issue is taken care of, but who knows?

I've had six of them, five blued, 3 of the blued not the .45 ACP. Never so much as a speck of rust. My experiences reflect the majority of owners, it's just that people who aren't having problems don't make themselves heard generally speaking.

I've owned XD9's and XD40's, but got rid of them. They were extremely accurate, just not my thing at the time.

I don't even own a G21, but will soon.

Well there you go. There's other choices that are just as good. If there wasn't an XD, like if they all dissappeared tomorrow, I'd go to Sigs or CZs and deal with it just fine.

Why are we in such a hurry to crown a new king in the gunworld? Yes, the XD45 is the HOT gun right now. I'm glad everyone that has one loves it.

But it is no better than a Glock, Sig or HK; it's just the gun of now.

Better no, different yes. And different is why I like it: Take my favorite parts of the 1911, Sig Sauer, and Glock pistols and make a mutt out of them that's a whole new animal, and you have something with a strong appeal to many.

It's not about what's new or what's "better", it's about what suits an individual best. And I hardly believe I am unique in my needs and desires.

But what I don't understand are the criticisms of the gun that are ultimately baseless, like saying it's "not proven", especially when it comes from someone who doesn't even have one. That phrase means nothing, especially to someone who has had a completely different experience.

GunNut
June 3, 2006, 12:57 AM
I've probably gotten away from what I was trying to point out.

I loved the XD's when I had them, they just weren't special enough for me to keep them.

My whole point is that the XD45 is not better than the Glock G21, nor is the G21 better than the XD45, in what they are intended to do; go bang.

What fits and works for you, may not fit and work for me.

Who knows I may eventually buy an XD45 Tactical.:D

Steve

Euclidean
June 3, 2006, 12:32 PM
I loved the XD's when I had them, they just weren't special enough for me to keep them.

My whole point is that the XD45 is not better than the Glock G21, nor is the G21 better than the XD45, in what they are intended to do; go bang.

What fits and works for you, may not fit and work for me.

There you go, that makes perfect sense. I can agree with that because it's a reasoned opinion.

However some of the points made in the thread are unsupported banter.

GunNut
June 3, 2006, 12:35 PM
However some of the points made in the thread are unsupported banter.

Now, couldn't we say that about 99% of all of the threads?:D

pablo45
June 3, 2006, 06:40 PM
Forgive me for being a glock cheerleader as frenchy so well put it.But this is just my opinion and my love for sarcacim and glock.In no way did i mean to offend anyone.I think sure give the xd time it might be ok it might even flood the market like glock has.But for the time being i will go with the proven.That is just me.Thanks for all the feed back.

Euclidean
June 3, 2006, 07:18 PM
No offense was taken, but earlier today I saw a G21 for sale and I thought of this thread and I can argue a very strong point in the Glock's favor: ultimately the market support for the Glock is better because there are so much more of them. XD's have pretty decent market support, better than many, but nothing like the Glock.

Plus, Glock mags are cheap. Oh they're so cheap.

It is being corrected, but at present (June 2006) XD45ACP magazines are not fun to try to get a hold of. I had to wait 4 months to get any extras at all. I called Springfield Armory and their statement to me was they had not anticipated the gun being so popular and that all of the magazines they had were going out with the guns as they were being made. Of course now they're starting to get the magazines out there a little more and it should eventually calm down, but it's a bit annoying still.

nitesite
June 3, 2006, 11:58 PM
Alright, I know that we are to take the High Road and all...

But statements such as this:

all in all the glock does have the thicker grip but the xd ban wagon saying glock misses the paper is just wrong.Maybe who ever is shooting the glock should try aiming.I have yet to not score a hundred with my glock duty pistol and i dont think i ever will not.That is why 80% of leos out there are either issued glock or buy there own.And all that rubish about the discharge are 100% human error.And you shouldnt need a little bead in the back of the slide to tell you one is chambered.

cause me to say *** on so many levels.

And Pablo45, the little gizmo in the back doesn't tell you when one is chambered; it indicates that the weapon is cocked. Maybe your friend who actually owns the one you examined should have instructed you better in the XD-45 manual of arms.

Buy one, and get back to me.

iShootStraight
June 7, 2006, 04:56 PM
I have shot an XD 9mm and was not impressed at all. I know it isn't the 45, but the trigger was one of the worst I have shot! Different strokes for different folks, but man I hated the gun when I shot it...I much prefer the 21, but I still hold the USP as the most superior polymer 45.
-Mike

"but the trigger was one of the worst I have shot!"

The above statement is a perfect example of misinformation.
Why people (usually Glock fans) smear the XD is beyond me. The Glock is a proven design, and a great gun, however the XD is an improvent upon that design! That is not to say the XD is more reliable, but I do think it is EXTREMELY RELIABLE, on par with the Glock. The XD has undergone more stringent tests than the standard Glock test without a failure of any kind. Most peoples pistols are kept somewhat clean, and won't be packed with a pound of dirt when fired. It is safe to say you will likely never have a failure of any kind with either an XD or a Glock.

Anyone who handles an XD will immediately notice the more comfortable grip, the excellent trigger, and the well designed features such as the grip safety and the cocked indicator at the back of the slide. The grip on the .45 is larger, I find the best fitting XD is the XD 9mm.

We all have our opinions, and they are just that, however to say the trigger on the XD is "one of the worst" you have shot is a clear slam. An opinion is one thing, but lying about a gun because it's not your cup of tea is grossly misleading. However most times these types of comments are made by Glock fans in DENIAL. Again, compare a glock 9 and an xd 9 trigger and the XD's trigger is much much nicer. There is no doubt about it, and it's not so much personal preference as it is FACT.

doofus
June 7, 2006, 05:27 PM
however the XD is an improvent upon that design!
The basic functioning is roughly the same. Safety? That's a matter of preference...I prefer the more simplistic Glock/Sig designs...other people prefer having a grip safety and a loaded-chamber indicator. Ergonomics? Again, a matter of preference. Trigger? Eh...that can fluctuate so wildly from gun to gun (and over the life of a particular gun) that I don't even pay any attention to trigger complaints.

That is not to say the XD is more reliable, but I do think it is EXTREMELY RELIABLE, on par with the Glock.
All else being equal, I'd have to agree. Buy from a reputable manufacturer and the individual pistol matters more. You can get lemons in both flavors.

The XD has undergone more stringent tests than the standard Glock test without a failure of any kind.
Eh...I'd like to see documentation on this. I think just about every pistol out there has undergone "stringent" tests of one form or another.

Again, compare a glock 9 and an xd 9 trigger and the XD's trigger is much much nicer. There is no doubt about it, and it's not so much personal preference as it is FACT.
No offense intended, but your argument would be much more compelling if you wouldn't state opinion in one breath, and call it fact in the next.

duncan
June 7, 2006, 09:42 PM
It's all about preference - I prefer redheads.

Most LEAs prefer the Glocks.

Like others said, guns run hot and cold - remember all of the talk of the Rohrbaugh 9mms - DONE.

Shoot what you like. I'll stick with my Glocks but highly covet SA 1911s for quality mid-range 1911s.

TEHO!

Frenchy
June 8, 2006, 12:41 AM
Most LEAs prefer the Glocks.

A lot of LEO's are stuck with the weapon their department issues, but your correct for the most part...Most LEO's I know like them.

duncan
June 8, 2006, 02:41 PM
All I know is that it only has about 37 parts, many made out of plastic.

Many of those parts can be replaced for less than $15.

Most gun enthusiasts with a manual and a breakdown chart can fix a Glock by themselves.

And the guns last and last and last.

Many of the first generation smooth gripped Glocks are still in service - I had one 10 years ago. After 100K rounds, you do shoot out the barrels though.

Few if any other guns have survived to function after severe torture tests:

http://policeordnance.com/2004/Glock/Graphics/GLOCK%20on%20Ice-200.jpg

http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/a_sand1.jpg

http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/b_dirt1.jpg

http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/e_rinse.jpg

Even dropped from an airplane and it kept on working.

http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/462537-1.html

That's why it's the preferred handgun in whether you are in Iraq or on the street.

The SA XDs are nice but I like the pricing on the old Croatian-made HS2000s.

Nuff said.

iShootStraight
June 8, 2006, 03:14 PM
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html

Just one of the test articles on the XD, done with a randomly selected XD from a randomly selected gunshop.
The next time each of you guys reading this are at your favorite gun shop, ask to see a glock 9 and an XD 9 at the same time. Test the trigger on the glock for half a minute, then pick up the XD. Triggers do-not vary much from gun to gun, so I do-not buy that argument. The XD trigger is superior, anyone who is unbiased would absolutely agree with that.

Duncan, the new XD's are an improvement on the older HS2000 model.

iShootStraight
June 8, 2006, 04:12 PM
Even dropped from an airplane and it kept on working.

http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/462537-1.html

Quite a few failures to fire, failures to eject. It still functioned, but not 100%.
It did not do as well as many people would have you believe.

Example video:
http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/paste.mpg
The gun was placed in a bucket of flour and water. The slide was not open during this test!
8 shots, then 1 failure to fire, 1 shot, then another failure to fire.

http://members.buckeye-express.com/bthompson/g21/all.mpg
Bucket full of potting soil, flour, and baby powder.
The gun fails to fire on the first shot. He fires 3 shots and jams, he then racks it twice, it fires once more and jams again. He racks it, fires once more, then a failure to fire.

The glock is a damn fine gun, and 99.99% of us will not put our guns through that kind of crap, but lets not carried away with the hype. It is no longer a reliable gun when subjected to harsh conditions as seen in the videos. Dropping the gun in clay could very well cause a malfunction (sticky like flour and water)

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html
Ice, dirt, mud, water, chemical degreaser tests. While there is no video evidence, I don't believe the author would lie.

I would be willing to conduct a series of torture tests with an XD and record everything on camera if people supplied the ammo. :cool:
Personally, I am VERY interested to see how well it would do. But it would not be cheap to do.

Are there any XD fans here who would honestly like to see a good torture test?

I want to know how much an XD can take before it fails.

kansas45
June 8, 2006, 09:36 PM
I won't put my XDACP45 Tactical through any torture test. Or any other gun I own, for that matter. I cant remember wich magazine it was that did all that stuff to a XD but it was very interesting. I think that in our everyday life, no mater what we carry as long as it built by a reliable company will do just fine. For the most part we will probably not have a chance to use our wepon's in a life or death situation(thank GOD) & we are not Wayett Earp or Rambo or anyone like that. Get yourself a reliable piece that you are comfortable with & believe in & you will be in good shape.

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