[Duneblade]

Was looking on Wal-mart's website. I want to go with Ruger because there is a ton of aftermarket things for it. However, I would like to go with a bolt action, and I can’t find a fairly cheep .22 Ruger that is a blot action. Most I have seen are 400$ and up. That leader me to a Marlin, which I don’t have a problem getting, however I was wondering how many accessories there are for the Marlin out there? I want to do a bolt action for added accuracy, and it's my first gun, so I feel a bolt action is good. Again, what kinds of accessories are there for the Marlin .22's?

[redranger1]

Fraid there aint to much for aftermarket for the marlin or any other brand for that matter except ruger. And thats only cause the 10/22 is so popular. I dont know how much money you wanna spend but id recommend a cz for a bolt action .22.

[Chawbaccer]

I think the Ruger you are thinking about is the 10-22 which is a semi-auto.
the 77-22 is their bolt action. Other than a sling, a scope and rings I can't think of any other necessary acessories a bolt gun needs.

[mp510]

I would recommend a CZ 452-2E military trainer model. I have one an id is a great rifle. Accessories are fun, but remember- You can live without them. Learn Irons, and then learn the scope!

[Duneblade]

I have seen alot of people say CZ what in the heck is that? I was looking at spending around 200-250. The Rugers I see are around 400$ for the bolt action, why such a huge jump from the semiauto? Also, if anyone could recomend a .22 for around that price I am still open to new ideas, around how much does a CZ run? Also, where is a good place to get them? Wal-mart?

-Dune

P.S. Would be willing to jump up around 50$ at max if it is going to mean I will be getting something wayyy better.

[ArmedBear]

The revised line of Savage .22 rifles may provide the best gun for your money, now that they've added their renowned Accu-Trigger.

Not as pretty as a CZ, perhaps, but beauty is in the 10-ring of the beholder, IMO. Both the Savage and CZ lines deserve a close look.

[KaceCoyote]

I've been wanting one of those 981T Marlins for awhile now.

[rangerruck]

marlin or cz is all you need, get a marlin 981t, it is 150 bucks every day and it shoots s.l.lr. it is tube fed and will hold between 17 and 25 rounds! it is also accurate. then go get you a g.f.l. (gun for life) a beautiful cz for about 300 bucks. then you will have both for the cost of the Ruger.

[America_without_liberals]

http://www.surplusrifle.com/romanian1969/index.asp

I found mine for $50 at a local Dunhams sporting goods on sale.

[dfaugh]

Get a Marlin (I have a 25N) put a good scope and rings on it, and don't worry about trying to "trick it out"...The Marlins are far more accurate than they have any right to be for inexpensive guns. If you change your mind, and decide on a semi-auto, get a Marlin 60, it'll out shoot a stock Ruger 10/22 all day long. In fact, it'll outshoot most bolt guns.

Was at the range yesterday, and the guy next to was shooting a 10/22...My buddy and I were shooting my Model 60...No comparison..At fifty yards he was shooting 2" groups, we were consistantly shooting 3/4" (10 shot) groups.

[Vern Humphrey]

From the Savage website http://www.savagearms.com

Mark-II Rimfire Series Model MARK II-F -- now with AccuTrigger
Caliber .22 LR, 17 HM2
Overall Length 39.5"
Barrel Length 20.75"
Weight 5 lbs
Magazine Capacity 10 rounds
Stock Black synthetic with positive checkering
Sights Adjustable notched rear sight, bead post front sight
Rifling Rate of Twist 1 in 16" (.22 LR), 1 in 9" (17HM2)
Features New AccuTrigger, blued bolt action, swivel studs, button-rifled barrel with detachable magazine.
Suggested Retail $169.00 (.22 LR), $213.00 (17HM2)

[bthest86]

I just bought a Savage Mark II at Wal-Mart for $99.

[Vern Humphrey]

Great Googlie-Mooglie!

For that price, you can get the gun, scope, sling, cleaning kit and 5,000 rounds of ammunition and stay under the OP's $200 limit.

Who says Wal Mart ain't the greatest things since sliced bread?:D

[CZguy]

You can buy a CZ-452 trainer for $221.23 at Wal-Mart.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3869129

The advantage to the CZ is unrivaled (at the price) out of the box accuracy.

Before you buy go on over to Rimfire Central. com and lurk around for awhile.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/

[the 22 junkie]

I've got a Marlin 925 I just use with iron sights, they're nice and sturdy, but if you want something you can really drive tacks out of the box with, go with the CZ.

[Duneblade]

Can I shoot rimfire rounds and non rimfire rounds through the same gun?

[the 22 junkie]

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[Jorg]

Can I shoot rimfire rounds and non rimfire rounds through the same gun?

Probably not. Are you anticipating shooting many non-rimfire .22LR rounds?

[CZguy]

Can I shoot rimfire rounds and non rimfire rounds through the same gun?



No, each rifle, shotgun, or pistol is ammunition specific. You can however shoot .22 shorts, longs, or long rifles out of the same gun. Other examples would be .38 special, .357 mag or .44 special, .44 mag out or the magnum guns.

[Duneblade]

Ok, thank you for clearing that up :) I was talking with my cousin (who has had many guns) and he said to go with a semiauto? Is this reomended for a first time shooter? I am going to be going for accuracy, however, I think it would be nice to beable to pull the trigger like a mad man at times. Therefor, do you see much of a loss in accuracy with a semiauto .22 compaired to a boltaction? Also, is there an advantage to rimfire v.s. non-rimfire? Sorry, for all the questions, just everyone knows sooooo much here, and I have soooo much to learn!

-Dune

[Vern Humphrey]

I was talking with my cousin (who has had many guns) and he said to go with a semiauto? Is this reomended for a first time shooter?

It depends entirely on your likes and desires. I personally don't own a semi-auto .22 rifle -- but I have bolt actions, single shots and lever actions.

If you want it for fun, semi-auto is fine. The Ruger 10/22 can be very accurate -- and can be tweaked to be as accurate as any bolt action.

Also, is there an advantage to rimfire v.s. non-rimfire?

Cost is the first advantage. You can buy a carton of 500 to 550 .22 Long Rifles at Wal Mart for less than $10.00. So you can do a lot of shooting, cheaply. In fact, a .22 Long Rifle cartridge costs about the same as a centerfire primer, so you can't reload centerfires for less than rimfires.

Next is low report and low recoil. .22s are just plain fun to shoot. And you can shoot them in places where people would call the cops if you fired a centerfire.

[RustyFN]

I just bought a Marlin 981T for $140 new. I bought a cheap 3-9 X 30 scope for it and then took it to the inside range to sight it in. It will shoot 1 inch groups at 50 feet all day long. I haven't had a chance to take it to the outside range yet. Just my opinion, but I think it would be hard to beat this gun at this price.
Rusty

[Vern Humphrey]

One thing to look for is a good trigger. It isn't hard to build an accurate .22 LR, but to build a good trigger is another thing -- and for hunting, the trigger is a key to making accurate shots at small game.

Savage is now putting its Accutrigger on .22s -- and that makes for some superb small game rifles.

[rangerruck]

marlin and savage, in that order if you want a low cost accurate rifle. then if you watn something not too $$$ but you may wanna keep the rst of your life , go cz. they are beautiflul and very accurate. another very good very acc, that wont break your bank is the TC. As for aftermarket anything, they just dont make them for ANY bolties, really. You notice i didn't mention ruger here, that is because you can beat them for accuracy, price, beauty, etc., with any of the above rifles.
I would suggest you go to gun stores or shows, and find any 81type series marlin. Started making them all they way back in '37, they still make the 981 today. they are tube fed, they shoot short, long, and long rifle, and they hold 17lrs, and 25 shorts in the tube! You will also have to spend a big chunk of money more, at least up to CZ LEVEL, to get more accurate consistently.

[KINGMAX]

If I were going to spend the $$$$ on a bolt action 22, I would chose a bolt action 22 magnum. Awsome little round. Spend the $170 on a Ruger 10/22 and $140 on a bolt action 22 mag. Just IMOHO = (in my own humble opnion) :D I love a 22 magnum round. It is one heck of a small round. :evil: It seems as if I have seen bullets up to near 50 grms. That will knock a varmit down right where it hits 'em. :fire: Can U say 'OUCHIE'

[bulltaco]

I am very happy with my 10/22 and it rains havoc on the English sparrows that try to run my bluebirds out of their houses. I bit the bullet and spent the money for the 77/22. It is built like a centerfire and is fun to shoot. The 77/22 also is (of course)very similar to the same gun in 22 Hornet, which for me is better than the .22 rimfire magnum. That's only my opinion.

[Vern Humphrey]

Bolt = go to a 22 magnum

I won't knock the .22 Magnum -- but the ammo is expensive.

I like to take a standard NRA 50 foot, 11-bull target, and put five rounds offhand into each bull, working the bolt from the shoulder and emptying the magazine. If you do that every day with a .22 Magnum, it runs into money!

I'd invest in a good .22 LR first -- and get the .22 Magnum later. And I'd save the .22 Magnum for things that really require its power -- like late season squirrels or varmit hunting.

[Vern Humphrey]

The 77/22 also is (of course)very similar to the same gun in 22 Hornet, which for me is better than the .22 rimfire magnum.

I agree -- I have a .22 Hornet (an M82 Kimber) and that was what enabled me to resist the stampede to buy a .17 HMR. Superior performance at the same cost (using handloads, of course.)

I have a Ruger 77/22M -- but I bought it when I hunted an area where the law was "nothing above .22 rimfire for hunting." I checked and found the .22 WMR was legal fopr turkey, and educated many a wise old gobbler with that rifle.:D

[KINGMAX]

I will agree the the 22 mag is a bit pricey, but still well worth the cost. Just MOHO. :)

[RustyFN]

The magnum would probably be better for hunting but depends what your plans for the gun are. In my situation I am using my Marlin 981T mostly to shoot in a three position 50 foot indoor league and outdoor silhouette compitions. You wouldn't be able to use the magnum for that. Just something to think about before you buy. Good luck with whatever you decide.
Rusty

[KINGMAX]

I haven't bought into the 17 HMR thing yet. :confused: What makes them special?? Other than popping holes in paper targets, what can they be used for??? :uhoh:

[Vern Humphrey]

I haven't bought into the 17 HMR thing yet. What makes them special?? Other than popping holes in paper targets, what can they be used for???

The .17 HMR, despite the predictions of all the gurus, will edge out the .22 WMR in just about every respect -- it shoots flatter, bucks wind at least as well, and delivers more energy to the target. They are a pretty good varmit rifle for most applications.

However, owning a .22 Hornet which will out-do either by a respectable margin, and which can be handloaded for about the cost of a .17 HMR, I have managed to resist the temptation to run out and buy one.

[flip180]

I'd stick with a .22 LR. There is a multitude of cheap and not to mention "accurate as hell" ammunition out there. Learn the limitations of the round and you'll be fine with either target shooting or popping that rabbit from your back porch. Now with gun selection, I can vouch for the CZ-452. I had one but sold it. It is built on a miniature mauser action with the receiver built from a forged piece of steel. You wouldn't believe it was a .22. It was a solid and well built rifle for being a .22.
http://czusa.com/products_rimfire_rifles.php?m=1

Flip.

[Terrierman]

My All Weather 77/22 in .22 WMR is my all around favorite rifle. Light, handy accurate and powerful enough. But if it was a .22 Hornet it might be even more favored....You guys need to cut this discussion out right NOW!!! I do NOT need a .22 Hornet.

[CZguy]

it was a .22 Hornet it might be even more favored....You guys need to cut this discussion out right NOW!!! I do NOT need a .22 Hornet.

What's "need" got to do with it? :D

[BrainOnSigs]

Another CZ 452 vote. Reasonably priced. Accurate as heck. Nice looking wood.

My son's Scout:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/8282895/117807794.jpg

My Varmint:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/8282895/132645515.jpg

[OldSchooler]

Marlin and Savage are the tops in budget bolties. Serviceable and tough enough, excellent value for the money. I shot a Marlin boltie for YEARS, with nary a hitch. Same gun is still made.

Anschutz, Remington, CZ, Browning and more, they all make .22's at substantially higher costs. You won't be sorry you own one, though, if you can get off your wallet long enough to pay for it.

And I dont get the "no aftermarket stuff" thing. There are tons of aftermarket things to get for the guns mentioned. Things like safety courses, slings, scopes, bullets, cases, shooting glasses and ear protection, cleaning kits - you know all the important stuff.
However, if you mean trivial "bling-bling" stuff, then the 10/22 is your game.
But its not a boltie, so that lets you out.
There you go.

P.S. Buy your gun somewhere other than WalMart. Wanna feel like a criminal? Take the WalMart "Gun Buyers Walk of Shame" with your new gun - with a manager walking behind you the entire way out to your car, watching you to make sure you dont so anything stupid before you leave the store. Imagine thier horror if you also wanted to spring for a brick of .22 cartridges along with the gun to shoot them in. I'm presumed a guilty, sociopathic miscreant while I spend my money in their store?... I dont think so. Shop elsewhere, like your local gun shop.

[BrainOnSigs]

Anschutz, Remington, CZ, Browning and more, they all make .22's at substantially higher costs. You won't be sorry you own one, though, if you can get off your wallet long enough to pay for it.


I'm not sure that the CZs are "substantially" higher. The Scout above cost me $179 and the Varmint cost me $313. The function, accuracy and looks make these a winner in my book.

I agree with your Walmart comment. "Walk of shame." HA! :)

[SlimeDog]

Here's a link to my 452 range report (with some PIX). Great little rifle.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=198191