My next trip to the range will be interesting. I plan to carry a 1911, glock 17 and 37, a S&W 4" 629 [reduced to 900 fps/240 lswc], a S&W 64, a Dan Wesson 6 inch 357 and a CZ 83. each will be fired the same number of rounds, as fast as I can regain a sight picture. Compitition beween handguns will be judged on accuracy and speed. Each round will begin from low ready. I have done a simular test like this before. The CZ 83 rules, but the Dan Wesson and 1911 was very close to the CZ. Just wondering, have you tried a simular comparison?
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May 31, 2006, 11:47 AM
For speed AND accuracy and just plain zen with the gun, my favorite is my Ruger P90. I shoot it just as well as my very accurate revolvers slow fire, but when things speed up, the gun just feels like part of my arm and I can, of course, reload it much quicker than I can a revolver. I'm not exactly Jerry Miculek with speedloader.:rolleyes: :banghead:
I've owned two 1911s and shot one of 'em pretty well, but I never got that zen going with it that I have with the P90. I won some shoots with it, though. It was an adequately accurate gun, 2 in at 25 yards accurate, and the light SA trigger on the first shot may be better for you if you're really not into DA. I would THINK, just guessing and from my own experience, you will shoot the 1911 best, depending, of course, on the accuracy potential of said 1911. If it's not particularly accurate and you can shoot DA well, you might find one of the revolvers will beat it, at least up to six shots. From there, you're on your own. LOL!
May 31, 2006, 12:05 PM
For me, the handgun I shoot best with in rapid fire is my CZ-97B loaded with 185gr LSWC ammo. The gun I'm most accurate in slow fire at 25 yards is probably by slightly tuned S&W 586 with 6" barrel loaded with 148gr LHBWC ammo.
May 31, 2006, 01:38 PM
I am actually most accurate (at this time) with my Sig P239 .40 S&W. This gun performs very well to beat out my Norinco 1911, Springfield "Loaded" GI 1911, Kimber Rimfire Targer, HK USP fullsize .45ACP, Glock 29 10mm and 4" S&W 500.
May 31, 2006, 01:42 PM
With my HK I can dump a mag as fast as the muzzle gets back on target and keep all shots on a person sized silhouette. My plain-jane 1911 and 92FS are close seconds.
1 old 0311
May 31, 2006, 01:44 PM
My CZ PO1 is the most accurate out of the box pistol I have shot.
May 31, 2006, 02:15 PM
For me, it's:
On revolver days it's the CT equipped Airweight Bodyguard.. On the pistol days it's the Sig....
Too many options.
May 31, 2006, 02:24 PM
The little CZ83 - :what: great little gun, very accurate. I will add one to the collection. Every CZ I have handled has felt good in my hand, but this little CZ83 is really special. Very smooth trigger all the way back to the break point, no herky - jerky. Am I alone on this on or what??? :rolleyes:
The CZ83 = ez carry, concealment piece. :evil:
May 31, 2006, 02:44 PM
I shoot best with my CZ PCR.
May 31, 2006, 02:53 PM
I shoot every week at least once, 1-3 hours per session. Shoot all types of pistols, both wheel & auto loaders. I usually take one rifle with me as well. I strive to be equally proficient with all my guns. I take every opportunity to shoot my carry type guns each range day. My GLOCK 21, I try to fire every time I go the the range, it is my primary carry in the truck so practice practice practice w/ this one. My second choice to carry is a S&W 686 in the .357 flavor. I suppose those two would be my all around favorite, so they get the most of my trigger time, = most comfortable = most accurate. :cool:
If you feel challenged by one, work w/ it until you achieve a level of proficiency. You don' have to hit 10 straight in the X ring, but get comfortable as your confidence grows. ;)
May 31, 2006, 02:54 PM
It's gotta be my Glock 36 ! :)
May 31, 2006, 08:11 PM
Without a doubt, a full size 1911 is the platform I shoot best. And its the platform I use to compete in.
Everything else sorta seems foreign to me. I just shoot it for variety. :)
May 31, 2006, 08:20 PM
I would have to say my ParaOrdinance P14.45. Whether it is quality or just the fit of the wider grip, I shot it better than all my other pistols the first time I shot it.
May 31, 2006, 11:03 PM
From a rest, Series 80 Gov'ment. Hand held, Para P12. (I was surprised.)
May 31, 2006, 11:31 PM
I always go back to a Sig...220 or 226...right now its 226...they seem made for my hand.
June 1, 2006, 01:25 AM
My Steyr M357 and then my Auto Ordinance 1911A1
June 1, 2006, 01:34 AM
I shoot my P220's the best followed by my P226 and BHP.
June 1, 2006, 01:46 AM
HK P2000 9mm, SIG P220, P226, P228, SP2022. All in that order.
June 1, 2006, 02:07 AM
Colt Police Positive Special firing 158 wadcutters. In a bullseye stance I could get quarter size groups at 25 yards over and over again. Fantastic handgun. Among semis the Sig P225 was for me the most accurate.
June 1, 2006, 02:13 AM
Those that know me would agree I "shoot the bull" the best... :neener:
After that... a 1911 platform, specifically my 1918 Springfield/Colt, and my Kimber Pro Carry SLE...
Although, I've really taken a liking to the XD-45 now...
June 1, 2006, 02:33 AM
Another one for a Colt Police Positive (with 158s). I can't shoot like Cosmoline (yet ;)), but it's the handgun I'm best with. It's also the most fun handgun I have, for both me and my girlfriend. I carry a Detective Special, so the similarity is nice indeed.
June 1, 2006, 02:48 AM
I wish I could shoot like that with all wheelguns! That's one I really regret getting rid of :fire: It was a banged up second generation PPS with cracked and repaired New Orleans Pimp stocks but it shot like a dream.
June 1, 2006, 05:16 AM
Are you left handed? I noticed your 239 has the mag release on the left side, just curious. Never seen Crimson Trace Red Dot grips for the 239 before. Has me intrigued for mine.
June 1, 2006, 10:39 AM
I'am a decent shot with my 3" 65-3 and my
3" 10-7.I'am not quite as good with any of
my J frames but i'am getting there.
June 1, 2006, 12:44 PM
Interesting. I've recently decided to run a similar test with my pistols. Have never run a speed drill with any of my guns, but for consistent shooting and tightest groups, my 629 classic full of 44 specials is the most precise weapon I own. I have a 32 Tomcat, Kimber compact 45, a BHP 9mm, a couple J frame Smith 38s, a 586 and a SP101 357. Haven't shot much with my pistols recently and plan to take each out soon and do a comparison test to decide which one I really ought to carry and which one I'll place in the nightstand. Obviously I have some redundancy in my collection, as several of these models serve equally well in their category/class, (Hey, I like pistols!) but I really should carry the best performer and put my best big pistol in the nightstand at the ready. Will be interesting to see.
June 1, 2006, 01:11 PM
June 1, 2006, 01:30 PM
I don't own handguns (can't legally here), but I rent them frequently. Out of the eight or so models I've used, I found that I was most accurate by far with a Kimber 1911 .45 and a Ruger Mark II Gov. Target .22LR.
June 1, 2006, 02:33 PM
Believe it or not, I pickked up a 4" Fixed sighted.357 for cheap about 1980. I pulled off some fantastic shots that even amazed Me. It was built at a low point in DW's quality and the bluing was 1/2 blue and 1/2RED. Traded it off and I have regreted it since.....Essex
These are my absolute favorite handguns and calibers and most accurate!
June 1, 2006, 05:41 PM
I shoot my tightest groups with my Ruger P89. It's so easy to do, it's not even a challenge to do it! I enjoy shooting my model 10 best. It's more of a challenge shooting DA with a good revolver and staying on the mark. And it doesn't eat up ammo as fast.
June 2, 2006, 01:58 AM
I use to bring alot of guns to the range...use to think I was having fun too. Then I got a little more serious in what I was doing. Then, I'd bring only 1, maybe 2 guns (the other being a 22 revolver). I learned that I can shoot my guns the fastest if I have mastered the trigger & sight alignment.
I shoot my USP 45 the fasted & the most accurately...the rest are close behind but that one is my most accurate pistol period.
June 2, 2006, 11:47 AM
S&W 67 (no dash)
June 12, 2006, 05:39 PM
I finally made it to the range today and compared the following handguns from low ready, firing as fast as I could aquire the target. comparison was considering both speed and accuracy. [priority on accuracy] The topgun was the Kimber Classic Goldmatch, tie between a S&W 4566 and Colt Mark IV series 70, The revolvers, S&W 4" 629 and S&W 4" model 64 and Dan Wesson 6" 15V. [The Dan Wesson was the fastest and most accurate with rapid fire] I didn't have the time to include the Glocks or CZ this time. Observations: the semi autos were the most accurate today for me, being fired as fast as the target was acquired, on the revolvers, I pulled the shots , probably because of improper squeeze or grip. I need practice. The 44 mag loads were 240 grain LSWC reduced to 900 fps or a little over, the 38 special was full power 140 grain, the 357 mag was full power 125 HP . Note: The S&W 4" 629 is a pleasure to shoot with 7.5 grains of sr4756 behind a Speer lswc 240 grain, which is a little more energy than the best +P 45 ACP. What a versitile revolver!
June 12, 2006, 08:57 PM
FEG Hi-Power Clone 9mm
Based on repeated attempts to use a 1911A1 or Commander in IDPA... I flat out shoot the 9mm better, though I hate to admit it.
My older 1919 vintage pre A1 Colt is making headway though.
June 12, 2006, 09:18 PM
For IDPA or IPSC it's the 1911 for me. I can shoot slightly more accurate with my Sig 220 but I shoot the 1911 amost as accurate but faster. I can go weeks without even picking up the 220 and shoot it better than anyhting else.
June 12, 2006, 11:44 PM
I seem to shoot my best scores using my Springfield Armory TRP. The gun just feels right.
June 13, 2006, 01:09 AM
Tie between my USP 45 and my USP 9. I have others that come close, but sometimes require a little trigger time just to get re-acquainted w/ the sights :D
June 13, 2006, 11:25 AM
My SW1911 .45ACP. Speed. Accuracy.
I had to find a way to make it my primary ccw after I found out how well I shot it in comparison to my other ccws.
June 13, 2006, 11:38 AM
Springfield XD40 Service
June 13, 2006, 01:24 PM
The guns I've shot the best?
1. Glock 19. The ergos stink, but this thing spits out +p+ ammo like its firing bb's and hits where I'm pointing like a laser. Can't explain it, it just works for me.
2. S&W 64 w/4" barrel. I can't shoot a revolver better than this one. Had similar experience with other K-frames. This one shot all loads at point of aim, from 110gr +p, to 148gr WC's to 158gr +P LSWCHP "FBI loads".
3. S&W 1911 Mil-Spec. I'd never shot a 1911 before. A buddy handed his to me with a full magazine, and I fired off several rapid shots. Almost all the holes touched at 25 yards, and I'm lucky just to hit the target at that distance. I realized in a hurry why so many folks love this platform. Its inherently accurate and easy to shoot well.
4. Taurus 85. This was a 15 oz all titanium model. It kicked like a mule, and my hand hurt alot from shooting it. But I shot this model better than any snubbie I've ever owned or shot (well, except for a S&W 64 snubbie, but it weighed 2 pounds or so), and I've shot alot of them. I probably should have kept this thing, since I have not found one I can shoot nearly as well. It shot all loads to point of aim, and I could keep all loads in a 2" shoot n' see at 7 yards in off-hand rapid fire. Which I know is like saying "I can tie my shoes all by myself", but I've never shot snubbies well.
I have also enjoyed and shot well with a SIG p220 and a Ruger Redhawk in .44 magnum, as well as a Bulgarian Makarov and a SIG p230. But I shot the top four noticably better than anything else.
June 13, 2006, 01:45 PM
Typically, I shoot my 1911's pretty good, with my RIA usually being the best. Some days I can kick some pretty good butt with my Glock G26......My wife's 5903 shoots really well, too......some days, and the right load, I can punch some really good holes with my Python and/or my Anaconda......sometimes it just depend son my mood and how things are or aren't clicking that day.
June 13, 2006, 03:04 PM
On a good day, I can shoot most anything passably well. On a bad day, I'd better be holding a 5" 1911 or I'm in trouble.
June 15, 2006, 12:49 PM
best accuracy 1) Nighthawk Talon II
2) CZ 85combat
3) Kimber Custom II
best speed 1) Ruger Vaquaro .357
2) CZ 85combat
3) Nighthawk Talon II
June 15, 2006, 01:21 PM
Glock 35. I have put 10 rounds through one hole (less than 3/4") at 7-10 yards
Close comparison between my 4" S&W 586 and my SIG P228, but when practicing rapid fire the SIG usually has a bit of an edge.
However, I am actually more accurate with both the 586 and a 2.25" Ruger SP101 firing DA than SA, and I often find that decocking the SIG and firing all shots DA does not significantly decrease my accuracy.
June 16, 2006, 01:55 PM
I shoot all my guns pretty much the same (except for a Walther P22, which gives me terrible accuracy). I've been practicing at 15yards exclusively the last few range sessions and get about 2" 5-shot groups when I concentrate and 4" 5-shot groups very easily in rapid fire (< 1 sec per shot).
The guns I normally shoot are HK P2000, Sig P226, Glock 19, S&W 1911, Beretta 96 in 9mm, 40s&w, and 45acp.
I don't count the P22 because it is such a POS. I also didn't count the Kahr because I used to shoot it really well but haven't practiced w/ it for a long time and the last trip was kind of disappointing :(
June 16, 2006, 07:29 PM
P229 - P226 - G17, all three in a dead heat for 1st place.
June 16, 2006, 08:00 PM
Of the 20 or so handguns I own easily the most accurate is my Colt Gold Cup with my 185jhp handloads.
A not too distant 2nd would be my 4" Magnaported S&W mod. 19
June 17, 2006, 03:04 PM
Except for my High Standard 22 Supermatic I am the best with myP89. I probably am the worst with the SA Ultra Compact, but good enough to get by. I guess I'll have take all of my pistol's out & do a little test for myself. Should be fun!
June 17, 2006, 07:24 PM
My T/C Conteder 14" .223 is by far my best shooting handgun with easy sub MOA potental. But then it's single shot. For a repeating handgun my S&W K38 Target Masterpiece shoots better than any other gun I have ever owned. For me accuracy outweighs speed tenfold. A slow hit is better than 6 fast misses.
June 17, 2006, 07:39 PM
NOTICE: I inserted the word Handgun(s) into the quotation~!:uhoh:
1. West German SIG-SAUER P220A in .45 ACP
1a. Springfield XD- .45 ACP 4" service model
1b. Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special 1911 :D :D :D
2. 6" Smith & Wesson 686-5 .357 magnum
3. West German SIG-SAUER P228 in 9m/m
4. 2x Springfield WW-II G.I. model 1911's
5. Springfield Mil-Spec 1911
6. Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II .45 ACP
7. Smith & Wesson 2" model 60 in .38 Special
Not too give away any secrets or anything~!:uhoh: :)
Or, how 'bout a Seecamp LWS-32~? (Laughing Loudly)
June 17, 2006, 10:41 PM
:) GLOCK 21, getting alot better - weekly trips for the last 5-6 weeks. Trigger time pays off. I am sticking w/ the same ammo. Winchester value pack (100) for around $20 or remington in the green box for about $9. to $10. for fifty. I stick to new ammo.
Any comments on the WOLF .45 ammo: ??? :scrutiny:
June 18, 2006, 12:57 AM
I shoot all my guns pretty well (otherwise I would not have bought them). The best Zen experiences so far have been with the PT92AFS.
June 18, 2006, 02:42 AM
I am most accurate with my S&W Model 66 with a 2.5 barrel
June 21, 2006, 01:00 AM
Well, I may have to go back to the range and do the test over--- I finally got around to doing a tune and polish job on the S&W 64, S&W 629 and Ruger Speed Six. The results are what you may have expected, smoother and lighter actions = more accuracy and speed. [at least for me] Lighter Wolff springs were also installed. Sure has made a difference.
June 21, 2006, 04:17 PM
For speed+accuracy nothing beats my Browning Buckmark 5.5 Nickel Target with the Pro Point mounted on top. For a centerfire handgun it's hands down the CZ 97B, followed closely by the CZ 85 Compact (40 S&W), then the Dan Wesson model 15 357 shooting 38 specials, then the Super Redhawk 454 with "Colt" level target loads. I find guns heavy for the caliber, but still light enough to point, work best for me. I haven't done a formal test, but that's the impression I get from my handguns.
My Glock 24P would be in there somewhere because I can shoot it very quickly but it doesn't have the absolute accuracy of the other guns I've mentioned. If I had to get in a fight, and it had to be a handgun, I'd probably go with the Glock. Between it's eat everything reliability, good size holes, high capacity, and over all handling, I think it would serve me best over the other guns.
I can hit a COM sized target with any of my handguns taking less than 1 sec a shot at 25 yards without any trouble. Some do it better than others.
2. Government Sized 1911
3. HK USP
4. Jericho 941
5. Smith and Wesson 686 revolver
6. Steyr MA-1
7. Glock 17
8. Browning P35
June 22, 2006, 05:05 PM
The most accurate gun I have been shootig by far has been my Wilson Stainless Professional.....that is until I bought my Springfield XD-45 in February. It is every bit as accurate as the Professional at 1/4 the cost. I continue to carry the Wilson, but the XD is fast making it's way into my holster as my favorite carry and shooting gun. I shoot 230gr. Federal HydraShoks in both guns.
June 24, 2006, 09:35 PM
June 25, 2006, 01:08 AM
After reading your list but before reading your results, I figured that the CZ83 would win. The larger .380 pistols really come back on target fast and you can dump the rounds in a HURRY while making good hits.
If you get a chance, try shooting a Ruger P95. It's not my favorite gun, but I haven't shot a 9mm that comes back on target quicker. It just seems to be designed for fast shooting.
June 25, 2006, 01:19 AM
5" steel 1911 - it's not even close. :)
June 26, 2006, 06:22 PM
JohnKSa Yes, the CZ 83 is the best 380 IMHO. It is such a natural pointer, fast and a accurate as a good 1911, I don 't feel un armed with it, because it is accurate and faster than most handguns. I carry a Ss&W 3953 more often than most, because of the size. I have several favorites, and use them all. one time or another, for different circomstances or just for a change.:) Seems that I just continue increasing the number of "favorites". --sure is difficult to part with some of them! I would speculate that some of you continue to add to the collection, and the number of handguns grows. My practical side of my brain says that I only NEED a couple. As the saying goes-- beware of the may with only one gun.
June 26, 2006, 10:03 PM
For me, it's my Colt Mark IV. Easiest to get back on target due to the compensator, and most accurate you betcha. For first shots, the Kimber UCDP would run a close second, but it's not as quick regaining the sight picture.
June 27, 2006, 03:09 PM
Without a doubt a Hi Standard ( read Dan Wesson ) fixed sighted 4" 357. About 18 years ago, while bird huntind, I stumbled upon the primest blackie at a range od a few feet. 28 gauge with birdshot just doesn't cut it. I bought the revplver the next day. Kept it for a few years and finaly traded it off because of the finish. The gun had a nice blue job, but when you turned it over the sideplate was as red as a cherry. If I had it today, I'd have it all black chromed....Live and learn..........Essex
June 27, 2006, 06:01 PM
The gun I'm most accurate with is my XD .45GAP. The thing is just scary accurate. I put my steel spinner out at 50 yards, it has a 4" top bullseye and a 6" bottom bullseye. My buddy looked at me a laughed when I came back to the firing line...
He didn't laugh long. And I was equally amazed that I could hit it at will. It's not a fast shooter but it's an accurate one.
June 28, 2006, 12:18 AM
The question can be approached in many ways.
For most folks with an accurate .22 auto, such as a long barrelled Ruger w/ a scope or red dot sight, they would be hard pressed to shoot anything else as accurately at 25 yds. in slow fire . . . or quickly in rapid fire. Here's mine:
However, my Model 29 6" Smith .44mag w/holosight has TWICE allowed me to harvest THREE deer at once . . . all within mere seconds . . . including a big doe as the #3 once that was running broadside in a clearcut @65 yards. From a steady rest it will roll milk jugs at 200 yards (just hold 34 inches high)!
Neither of these guns would be my choice though as a combat handgun, or at a tactical match. In the combat calibers I strangely do my very best shooting, with many hundreds of matches to reference to, with my Smith revolvers.
Even my highly customized Colt Combat Elite could not best my efforts with my Model 25-2 and 625 S&W revolvers in .45ACP and using moon clips. My hot-rodded 25-2 w/ the barrel chopped to 3 1/2" is my favorite of all!