3 car loads of guys at 3 am pull up? (read scenario first)

[Thin Black Line]

Scenario:

You just got back from a deployment to a Middle Eastern warzone not too
long ago. Your last official residence and hometown as reported to the local
newspaper was your old address you no longer live at. You recently learn
from the current occupants that at about 3:00am one evening 3 carloads of
guys pull up in front of their house and begin conversing loud enough in
ARABIC to wake them up. In fact, they pretty much just hang out in the
middle of the street for a few minutes, but never actually set foot on the
private property next to it before leaving. There's no other traffic at this
time of morning in the small neighborhood and the next closest area that has
a known subpopulation of middle eastern origin is 20 miles away. The current
occupants, although rudely awaken, do nothing more than tell you and a few
friends about it.

Your reactions if you were the person who just returned to the states, but
not living at that address.....

[crofrog]

I voted 4 but would also do 2 and 3

[Oldtimer]

#1: How did those people know that it was Arabic that the group were speaking? Heck, it could have been a group of Jews speaking Hebrew! Maybe they were returning from a Bar Mitzfah and got lost?

#2: The time of the incident is somewhat odd, but not entirely so. They may have departed from a late night party, and the lead vehicle in the convoy back to their own area was confused.

#3: About the only law that they broke was "Disturbing the peace", due to their loud voices at a late hour.

I seriously doubt if the incident had anything to do with you having previously lived at that residence. If a similar incident takes place, THAT'S when you might start wondering what is going on.

Still, it might not hurt for those folks to contact the local police. The LEAST they would do might be to give them some extra patrol time. I think that it would also be good to notify the other residents in the area of the incident.

[ball3006]

that address, what is the problem.......chris3

[hso]

That's an implausble scenario.

[FPrice]

Unless (and this is a big if) I had some other reason to be concerned about harassment or some sort of retaliation, I would do nothing. But I would advise the current occupants to notify the police if they were concerned.

With just these few "facts" there seems to be nothing to get paranoid about.

[lastcavalier]

+1 on ensuring proper language identification. Since most Americans aren't used to Semitic languages, they have trouble telling them apart. Could've been Hebrew (as was mentioned) or Farsi, or whatever. Further, some Americans have trouble even distinguishing major language groups, and might have confused Hindi or Russian, or who knows what else.

If one assumes these guys were coming to exact some sort of vengeance upon you for your activities in the Middle East (which I'm assuming is what you'd be worried about in this situation), you're assuming that they have the sort of intelligence network to get this information from your area of operations in the ME to this operating cell in America. With that sort of network, one would assume they had some semblance of training. If so, do you think they'd be careless enough to roll up 3 cars deep, jump out and just start frightening the locals?

I'm with the others, I wouldn't get very worked up about the incident.

[greg700]

Me? I wouldn't do anything. The safety of the new occupants is their responsibility and they chose to do nothing.

In all likeliness it would be either a coincidence, or just a bunch of teenageers (every culture has them, I'm told) who picked what they believed was your house to play a prank on and failed to follow through.

I think it is seriously unlikely that you would be the first target of three carloads of terrorists. Why would you risk conspiring with a large number of people and then choose the underwhelming target of....you, one single person. Also, if the people who drove up intended to do harm to you they would probably have broken into the house at the very least before they realized you were no longer there.

Of course, a soldier is probably more at risk simply because he is a returning soldier. The bad guys don't have to know the details of what he did in Iraq (unless he caught saddam or something) to paint him as a target.

[Mannlicher]

this will get locked before too long, I hope.

[Bob F.]

lastcav: read the post: "local newspaper". Admittedly, not very reliable intelligence, but....

Option #3, just to be safe, but not really too concerned!

Bob

[Kamicosmos]

:confused:

Is there a full moon or something? Some really odd posts around here lately...

Edited to add: What the heck? I'll bite afterall. I'd be more worried about the fact that the new owners of the property tracked me down. That's more disturbing that the incident. I mean...MILLIONS of soldiers have returned home from overseas duty, and I bet there has never been an incident of one soldier being stalked, in the USA, by his former enemies. Well, outside of bad action movies, of course.

[Thin Black Line]

That's an implausble scenario.

Yeah, can't happen here....

I mean...MILLIONS of soldiers have returned home from overseas duty, and I bet there has never been an incident of one soldier being stalked, in the USA, by his former enemies.

Stalked to kill or stalked to intimidate?

In all likeliness it would be either a coincidence, or just a bunch of teenageers (every culture has them, I'm told) who picked what they believed was your house to play a prank on and failed to follow through.

Harmless teens like the ones in France or Australia?

this will get locked before too long, I hope.

Why? I've seen plenty of threads here about suspicious behavior, bad
neighbors, etc etc ad :barf: here before. What makes this situation
verbotten to discuss?

[Revolver Justice]

Get a few friends and wait for them and then have a nice talk, Southern Style. Just listen to the Charlie Daniels song "Simple Man", and you will know what I mean.

[skidmark]

I voted for "Other"

A few questions:
1) why are the new occupasnts telling me this?
2) what did I do over there that might make me any greater target than the next slob in line?
3) how long ago did this happen before the new occupants told me about it?
4) how/why do the new occupants know me to get hold of me and tell me this tale?
5) how much were the new occupants drinking before they told me this tale? (OK, that is not really fair. I will withdraw the lasat question. The jury is instructed to pay no attention to it and not consider any possiuble response to the question when deliberating.)

I have strong urges to put on my tin-foil hat over this one. If I am high-speed/low-drag enough to be of intertest to terrorists, they should not know about me, and if I'm high-profile enough I should have a security detail who would have loaded the body parts on a black helicopter and washed down the street before the new occupants even knew what was going on.

Now for real paranoia - how about your hometown paper publishing your picture and the citation for your Silver/Bronze Star, along with the typical "now residing in the xx-hundred block of XYZ Street"? I know of a few that had that happen after coming home from Vietnam. Most were just embarassed, but one had a "street performance group" from the local junior college show up one afternoon. They did not finish their "performance."

stay safe.

skidmark

[Master Blaster]

I'd be 99.99999% certain it had nothing to do with you living there. The folks who heard this are they from the middle east? Do they speak arabic???

Were they smoking something that caused them to order a lot of Pizzas?????

Were you???:)

Just becuase your paranoid doesnt mean someone isnt out to get you:o

[LaEscopeta]

#1: How did those people know that it was Arabic that the group were speaking? Heck, it could have been a group of Jews speaking Hebrew! Maybe they were returning from a Bar Mitzfah and got lost?+1

And +1 on the above posts about not getting paranoid. There is not enough evidence to take any action or lose any sleep over.

On the other hand, if the current occupant of your former address does not mind keeping an eye out, this would not be a bad thing, and it would not harm the 3 carloads of people. Who knows? If they are troublemakers, maybe they are after the current occupant, and not you.

And I don’t think making a suspicious activity report to the local police will necessarily harm the 3 carloads of people, since the police will not know who they are. On the other hand, if there have been or will be other incidents of rocks thrown at houses, hateful graffiti, etc, your report may help in police investigations.

[matthew.g.george]

"Get a few friends and wait for them and then have a nice talk, Southern Style. Just listen to the Charlie Daniels song "Simple Man", and you will know what I mean." ???

You mean if some dude kills your wife and kids you'll get a .44 and kill 'em, after being failed by the CJ system? I don't see the connection... to the song that is.

+1 for the overall paranoid vibe...

[Revolver Justice]

The song was used to illustrate on how to handle a bunch of people trying to stalk you and your family by default. The part about tying them a tree stump and letting the gattors have at them seems like a good idea. Nothing is to extreme when it comes to defending your family.

[Sheldon J]

In Phoenix at a gated apartment complex my son went to the laundry, where he bumped into and was informed by a group of approximately 6 Arabic types that if he was smart he would leave immediately. Let me tell you the boy carries a .38, is 6’7” and 390 lbs and pro wrestles for the fun of it. Not to be intimidated easily told them where to go and dialed a 911 on them. The police cuffed and hauled the lot of them away, they never did come back.:rolleyes:

[WT]

Deleted: duplicate

[WT]

I seem to recall that the captain of the USS VINCENNES had his personal vehicle blown up in California. His wife was injured. Some may remember that the USS VINCENNES shot down Iran Air Flight 655, a civilian jetliner.

I think its conceivable that some foreigners hold a grudge against US military personnel and may follow them home to work out that grudge.

[Thin Black Line]

Let's assume the new occupants are: non-drinkers/non-smokers and
have grown up in the same hometown.

As far as history lessons: groups murdering US military personnel are
not "unknown" (Turkey in the early 90s); I can only recall one possible
incident here in the US, even made a little news at the time (car bombing
of a wife's vehicle). The husband felt it was a retaliation hit from his
high-profile "travel" in the ME, but the FBI did not. The local LEA felt
it was one of the "hundreds" of pipe bombings that happen across
their county every year.....I really did not imagine that pipe bombings
of cars were "common" in any part of the country :what:

In any case, sounds like most people would agree overall that one
incident of suspicious activity is chance, but twice......maybe not. ;)

[Thin Black Line]

WT,

We must've had the same history class --was typing my response when
you posted yours :cool:

[WT]

TBL - great minds 'remember' alike!

The USN captain's name was William C. Rogers III. I don't recall how the bombing was resolved - if the FBI ever caught the BG's.

I had forgotten about the problems in Turkey. My neighbor's daughter was stationed there with the USAF when things started going haywire. I remember my neighbor's concern for her.

[psyopspec]

I voted that they should let me know if anything else happens. That, and I'd ask them to write down every detail they remembered of the first incident.

[Zundfolge]

My answer is #4 and #5

While I doubt it was an AlQueda cell that showed up at your former door it was still probably people who weren't there to welcome you home and thank you for liberating their relations.

[Vic303]

Do #2-3, and a modified #5. Ask the residents to contact the FBI since they have first hand knowledge of what happened.

[psyopspec]

Considering a quarter of the responses have been the FBI option, I wonder why there's so few elaborations on their reasoning. Anyone else who voted that way care to chime in?

[Thin Black Line]

There is good logic to assume the 3 carloads would have had nothing to
do either with the new occupants nor the former occupant. It could
simply be mere coincidence of 3 cars getting lost in the middle of the night
on there way to someplace else and then a loud somewhat angry
conversation as they tried to get back on course. Yes, total chance
to be in front of *that* house.....but what if it was still a part of something
more ominous:


World News

The Times June 05, 2006

Canadian parliament 'was target of fertiliser bomb'

From Tim Reid in Washington

SEVENTEEN terror suspects accused of amassing a cache of explosives to carry out an “al-Qaeda-inspired” bombing campaign in Canada will appear in court tomorrow.

The 12 men, aged between 19 and 43, and five teenagers younger than 18, all had Arabic names and were nearly all Canadian citizens.

They were arrested during raids on Friday night in Toronto. Police said that they found three tonnes of ammonium nitrate and a mobile phone that had been modified to become a detonator.

The amount of explosive was three times the amount of ammonium nitrate used in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, which destroyed a federal building, killing 168 and injuring more than 800.

The police refused to divulge the terror suspects’ alleged targets, but a report in the Toronto Star said that the group had been focusing on the parliament buildings in Ottawa and the offices of the Canadian Security Intelligence Services in Toronto.

The police said that the men had attended a training camp together and had made videotapes of their activities. They also said that they had had contact with two terror suspects arrested in the US in March. Since the 7/7 bombings in London, Canadian authorities have given warning of the potential for the country’s own strain of homegrown Islamic extremism, especially with the presence of Canadian troops in Afghanistan.

In Toronto’s suburbs, there are growing Muslim communities and an increasing number of mosques. Last night, vandals smashed 30 windows of one Toronto mosque and damaged nearby cars.

Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations with the Canadian intelligence services, said that the suspects “appeared to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaeda”.



For more detailed information:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/cover060406.htm

[Thin Black Line]

Since my post yesterday it looks like 2% have moved out of the #1 and
#2 categories (equivalent to "do nothing.")

Anybody who previously voted #1 or #2 like to change their vote? Likewise,
anyone from the "you're wearing tinfoil" crowd like to comment? ;) Would
you do something different based on the news over the weekend?

[FPrice]

Anybody who previously voted #1 or #2 like to change their vote? Likewise, anyone from the "you're wearing tinfoil" crowd like to comment? Would
you do something different based on the news over the weekend?

Not particularly. Unless maybe I lived in a Canadian "target".

You see I believe that the "Islamo-fascists" (to use Rush's term) are a bit smarter than we give them credit for. I think that they can look at Western culture and realize that there are segments which will over-react to actual terrorist events and begin seeing a terrorist behind every person who "looks or sounds Arabic" plus others who will use this reaction for their own dubious purposes. his can have several different consequences. It can cause us to harass (and possibly alienate) certain groups of people. It could drive those who do not now support these Islamo-fascists in the ranks of their supporters. And it could help widen certain splits in our population.

People still need to be able to look at potentially suspicious events with a lens of reality, not a posture of baseless fear. The former will allow you to be more correct in your deductions while the latter only increase your paranoia and leads to more bad judgements.

[Jeff White]

Nope, I haven't changed my mind. I still think you're over reacting.

First off, I wouldn't trust the average American to be able to recognize any other spken language but English or maybe Spanish. Our culture doesn't expose most people to anything but those two languages.

Secondly, almost all of the incidents either denied by the feds as being terrorist incidents or acknowledged as terrorist incidents that have happened in the US since 9-11 have been committed by converts to Islam. Most of these people don't speak Arabic, but have the same language handicaps as most other Americans.

Thirdly, unless you're really General Franks or some other high ranking person behind that screen name, you're probably not a high value target. Just not worth the risk and expenditure of resources. how would harming you further the cause? Even if some group publically took credit for your demise, I doubt the police and FBI would take it seriously. Multiple casualties at a Guard or Reserve unit drill of a unit recently returned from Iraq or Afghanistan or a school bus full of dependent children of deployed soldiers would be the kinds of targets they'd like to hit. A lot more press for their cause with those then a lone veteran.

Jeff

[gunsmith]

he would recognize the lingo, and probably yell out his window
for them to shut up.
And probably curse at them in their own language

[Kharn]

Tell the FBI and your 1SG or CO.

Kharn

[Doggieman]

I fail to understand the relevance of this question to the subject of firearms.

[Lindenberger]

I'd trace their tags; find out where they lived; then I'd either take them out, one by one--or I'd call Vern.

[Trip20]

Thin Black Line,

Thank you for your service. Out of respect for the same, I can only suggest that while home (either permanently, or for an extended leave), it's in your best interest to concentrate on being a civilian again.

Much has been pointed out in the realm of what we do not know. I think we can all agree that a do-nothing approach is perfectly acceptable provided one remains aware and casually alert.

Find that balance, and welcome home, Hero.

[Lindenberger]

Kill'em all; let God sort'em out. "Arooah (invented 1968 by Marine Detachment, NATTC, NAS Jax, FL.)" Later converted to "Oorah" by persons unknown.

[Thin Black Line]

various quotes since I last logged in:

Not particularly. Unless maybe I lived in a Canadian "target".

You see I believe that the "Islamo-fascists" (to use Rush's term) are a bit smarter than we give them credit for.
....
Nope, I haven't changed my mind. I still think you're over reacting.

Thirdly, unless you're really General Franks or some other high ranking person behind that screen name, you're probably not a high value target.
....
I think we can all agree that a do-nothing approach is perfectly acceptable provided one remains aware and casually alert.

Hmmm, interesting. I acknowledged earlier the likelihood that this would
have nothing to do with the residence, but wondered about the possibility
of something else. 1 out of 5 people on this poll would have taken the
"do nothing" approach --not even a 5 minute call to a LEA of any sort.
No dot on the system to even try to connect.

I guess this was a pretty safe way of thinking about the world pre-9-11.
It's also the standard "don't involved" thinking that most Americans have
practiced when they hear/see other routine/mundane, but suspicious things
going on right in front of them. There are many people who will literally
also ignore a crime in progress when there are screams for help. I've
personally seen this happen and was a sole responder on more than one
occassion. I also understand the fear people have about getting involved
and creating more complications in their own lives or just not sticking their
noses into someone's business because they might find out they were wrong
about it.

How many first responders on 9-11 were primary targets?
How many people who worked in the twin towers were "famous", ie,
their names known to the nation prior to 9-11?

Really, guys, I'm baffled by those of you who think that plots stop at
the border or you have to be a household name to either be a victim of
terrorisrm or, better yet, someone who could dial a phone and help
stop it.

Trip20, yes, I do see the world differently now. I really understand the
terrorist phrase of "You have to be lucky EVERY day, and we only have to
be lucky once."

Kill'em all; let God sort'em out.

Sigh.....

[mikep99]

Hmmm... well I would have to say that I am one paranoid person. I, like others, however, do question the credibility of the people that found me and told me. The chances of that happeneing and them making that connection in their heads is rather odd and or they were extremely paranoid of something like this happening.

Either way, I would contact the CO or whomever it is that is in charge of your division, etc. I am not sure if I would notify the FBI. If something goes wrong a second time around the FBI is going to be wondering why they weren't contacted at first. However, if you do contact them they may be a little bit dumbfounded and say "um...ok...thank you."

The point is that you do not have any solid leads, and the fact remains, with all due respect my friend, coming online and posting this gives anyone in your state the upper hand in finding out who you are or giving these kids, guys, etc. satisfaction that you were "worried."

[Jeff White]

TBL,

Have you ever sat down and really thought about this? How would these arab speakers know who you are and what you did? Was your name and address in the newspaper when you deployed? When you returned? How did it become public knowledge? What value to the cause would harming you be to a terrorist? People who commit terroistic acts fall into three categories:

Criminals

Crusaders

Crazies

The Islamic terrorists fall into the crusader category. They are going to expect some sort of return for the time and resources they expend to commit an act of terrorism. What kind of return do they get from harming you? There are plenty of high profile people who would get them more press and who would be just as easy (or maybe even an easier) target.

Were you given any warnings from the S2? Anything said in post deployment briefings about being a target because you deployed or what you did while deployed?

I see a daily Law Enforcement Intelligence Report on terrorism at work. The system is overwhelmed with dots to connect. People who even look as if they are of middle eastern extraction are reported for doing all kinds of suspicious activities all the time. The great majority of the reports are unfounded.

It's smart to live in condition yellow whenever you are out and about and to secure your residence so you can downgrade to condition white and relax. I don't think I'd up things to condition orange based on an unconfirmed report. Especially if you had no other reason to believe that someone might be targeting you.

The FBI has a big focus on terrorism now. Arrest a middle eastern subject and notify the FBI and they will be there to check it out. The small office that is responsible for the rural Southern Illinois area where I work even has an agent who speaks arabic now. If you're that concerned, go ahead and call your local FBI field office and see what they tell you.

Jeff

[Thin Black Line]

The point is that you do not have any solid leads, and the fact remains, with all due respect my friend, coming online and posting this gives anyone in your state the upper hand in finding out who you are or giving these kids, guys, etc. satisfaction that you were "worried."

Who is to say that a course of action was not already taken before the
poll was even posted, such as contacting LE?

"Upper hand"? "Satisfaction"? "Worried"? No. There were posters here
who stated this was not a plausible scenario or that substance abuse
might have been involved in some sort of deception or fantasy.

Maybe my purpose here was to see what the average computer/gun-owner's
response would be to a similar situation post-9-11. After all, I would think
one of the reasons most of you own a gun is for self-defense against a
possible physical attack. I was actually expecting a higher percentage
(90%) combined for 3 and above. I think the 21% in the do-nothing-or-very-
little category wasn't all that bad. I would hazard a statement that this %
would have been much higher pre-9-11. We won't know this for certain, but
we can hope people don't fall asleep with Summer BBQs.


Have you ever sat down and really thought about this? .....What kind of return do they get from harming you?

Jeff, with all due respect, you have not read my posts close enough. I
understand this given that you have a lot of other threads here you are
monitoring. I will acknowledge <again> the likelihood in this given scenario
that the people in the car would have had NOTHING to do with either
the current or past occupants.

Were you given any warnings from the S2? ...or G2?...What's that? :scrutiny:

Kudos to the nearly 4 out of 5 who would pay attention to "suspicious
activity" and get involved. Being the only set of eyes and ears to make a
final judgement about something leaves things rather limited. I only had
to "crack open" today's newpaper to see how being alert (condition yellow)
paid off in one of the most peaceful, and prosperous countries (Switzerland)
in the world:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=GR5JOZYF4XTMRQFIQMFCFGGAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2006/06/09/wswiss09.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/09/ixnews.html

The prosecutor's office said the gang members were identified in early 2005 and lived off the profits of a series of robberies in Zurich and elsewhere....But prosecution officials claimed the gang had links to terrorist groups in Spain and France.


Maybe this helps explain why Switzerland is also one of the most secure
countries in the world?

Thanks to all who participated in the poll and all comments. :)

[Trip20]

You recently learn
from the current occupants that at about 3:00am one evening 3 carloads of guys pull up in front of their house and begin conversing loud enough in
ARABIC to wake them up. In fact, they pretty much just hang out in the
middle of the street for a few minutes, but never actually set foot on the
private property next to it before leaving.

Bolding mine.

TBL -- based on your description of the event; I compared that description to how I (a layman) understand typical terrorist operation, preparation, and implementation of various attacks. Based on this comparison, I felt comfortable stating the following:

...a do-nothing approach is perfectly acceptable provided one remains aware and casually alert.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but terrorists do not typically have a tailgate party in front of their target prior to the attack. In contrast, terrorists in general are very deliberate, clandestine, and vigilant in most cases.

So, my advocating a do nothing approach in this case, does not foretell my rejoinder on serious scenarios deserving of a more discriminating analysis. It's specific to the events that occurred at your prior residence.

Therefore, it is entirely unnecessary to paint the “do nothing crowd” with such a broad brush as your below statement, when most likely we are speaking with regard to your initial posted scenario, and nothing else (though, of course I can only speak for myself):

I guess this was a pretty safe way of thinking about the world pre-9-11. It's also the standard "don't involved" thinking that most Americans have practiced when they hear/see other routine/mundane, but suspicious things going on right in front of them. There are many people who will literally also ignore a crime in progress when there are screams for help. I've personally seen this happen and was a sole responder on more than one
occassion. I also understand the fear people have about getting involved
and creating more complications in their own lives or just not sticking their
noses into someone's business because they might find out they were wrong
about it.

[AJ Dual]

Coincidence, for all the reasons stated above.

If it's that much of a concern, the time to do something was right when the guys were in front of the house, call the police.

Otherwise, just some lost guys, speaking an unknown language.

[Thin Black Line]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but terrorists do not typically have a tailgate party in front of their target prior to the attack.

Would you be more concerned if they were video-taping buildings and
asking around about flying lessions?

Therefore, it is entirely unnecessary to paint the “do nothing crowd” with such a broad brush as your below statement, when most likely we are speaking with regard to your initial posted scenario, and nothing else (though, of course I can only speak for myself):

Trip, I can certainly appreciate the time and effort you have taken to dig
in your heels and defend your position.

I guess the best question I could ask is what would it take as far as
"suspicious behavior" before YOU would become involved and pick up a
phone to LE? Obviously, my threshhold (and that of many others on this
poll) is lower than yours. So rather than tell us what you would not do
and justify it at a time when most would have chose to act, tell us when
you would act with your justification at your higher tipping point. You
could even use the same 3 cars at 3 am and give additional behaviors
you would have to see first......:scrutiny:

[FPrice]

Would you be more concerned if they were video-taping buildings and
asking around about flying lessions?

At 3:00am in front of the house I used to like in?

I'd be seriously concerned that it was some really bad thread on the internet.

[Trip20]

I guess the best question I could ask is what would it take as far as
"suspicious behavior" before YOU would become involved and pick up a
phone to LE? Obviously, my threshold [sic] (and that of many others on this
poll) is lower than yours.

TBL -- Would you believe me if I told you I've called the police due to cars hanging out in front of my home in the wee hours of the morning?

I didn’t call due to their parlance, skin color, or nationality. They were white kids, saying the F-word, and from what I could tell, they were American. The 40" subwoofers making my bedroom shake is what did it.

Does that make me part of the crowd? :rolleyes:

When the terrorist attack happens at your old place, be sure to post back here with directions to a good restaurant that serves crow.

Take care man, and don't worry I didn't spend much time digging in. :)

[cracked butt]

I'd only worry if you think they were looking for you because you stole some of their nuclear material to power your flux capacitor.

[Rafterman191]

I am more concerned with some of the people on these forums mind set and their desire to be armed with a gun.

[erh]

My "Cranky 'Ole Dad" would say "Just Shoot among'st 'em; they'll get the idea..!" :) (LOL)

Eric Howland
Savannah,GA.

[MAURICE]

I would be more concerned if it was three carloads of gangbangers or three carloads of drunken rednecks (is that redundant?) or three carloads of clowns.

[Thin Black Line]

TBL -- Would you believe me if I told you I've called the police due to cars hanging out in front of my home in the wee hours of the morning?

Sure. Will take your word for it.

I didn’t call due to their parlance, skin color, or nationality. They were white kids, saying the F-word, and from what I could tell, they were American. The 40" subwoofers making my bedroom shake is what did it.

Ok. *Your* threshold is not just waking you up, but waking you up with the
f-word and music. Thanks for letting me know this is the threshold that
matters.

When the terrorist attack happens at your old place, be sure to post back here with directions to a good restaurant that serves crow.

If you can read this, thank outcome based education. If you can
comprehend it, thank a teacher from the old school of education.
Memory and abstract thought can be nurtured by education, but
often requires a conscious effort through self-training and exercise
when one is an adult.

Take care man, and don't worry I didn't spend much time digging in.

Yeah, you too, have a good trip.

I am more concerned with some of the people on these forums mind set and their desire to be armed with a gun.

And yet most of the people on this forum are armed "just in case" of a need
for self defense due to some perceived possibility of attack by bad guys.
(insert shoulder shrug icon here).

I believe voting on this forum closed yesterday.

Bye-bye :D