Do you "vote your guns"?


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2dogs
January 4, 2003, 01:07 AM
When you vote, is 2nd Amendment your primary issue, or do other issues (economic, social, foreign policy, crime etc) take precedence?













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Flying V
January 4, 2003, 01:11 AM
I am a single issue voter.

Standing Wolf
January 4, 2003, 01:11 AM
I vote the Bill of Rights first and last.

Jim March
January 4, 2003, 01:45 AM
Nothing else matters near as much.

Item: I don't trust a politician that doesn't trust me.

Item: if we don't keep our guns, we don't keep our freedom. Period.

AZTOY
January 4, 2003, 01:48 AM
When you vote, is 2nd Amendment your primary issue,

YES

PATH
January 4, 2003, 01:55 AM
Yes it is!

para.2
January 4, 2003, 02:22 AM
Jim March beat me to it...
I can't trust a government that doesn't trust armed citizens.

matis
January 4, 2003, 02:54 AM
Absolutely! Guns are liberty's teeth (was that George Washington or Thomas Jefferson?). It is natural for even animals (apologies to my gorgeous Alaskan Malamute, Zeudi) to fight for their lives. Are we humans not worth as much?

Speaking frankly, I feel utter contempt for those, especially politicians who would offer "reasons" why I should not have the right to protect my loved ones or myself.

Matis

WilderBill
January 4, 2003, 03:02 AM
Yes. I do. Wish we could make that sentament more popular.

Seeker
January 4, 2003, 06:07 AM
As I vote Libertarian...YES!

Hkmp5sd
January 4, 2003, 06:11 AM
Yep.

Odessa
January 4, 2003, 07:52 AM
I am first, last and always a Constitutionalist - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights comes before any other interest with me when I vote. Odessa

RAY WOODROW 3RD
January 4, 2003, 09:41 AM
Yup.

2nd A all the way!

Michael
January 4, 2003, 10:16 AM
Soitenly! You mean there's something else to consider? :p

Ninj500
January 4, 2003, 10:22 AM
Always, and I try to talk as many people as possible into voting the gun issue as well.

Nanook
January 4, 2003, 11:22 AM
Absolutely, in every election. In fact the only sticker on my truck says, "Vote Freedom First".

I've had to tell many gun-owning Democratic voters recently about the saying, "The man who wants to take your guns is NOT your friend." This was in response to their inevitable line that 'they are the party of the working man.' :banghead:

GhostShooter
January 4, 2003, 11:40 AM
Yes, but let me add a rider to this question. If you had one very pro gun Republican and a moderately pro gun Democrat would you vote for the Democrat based on another issue? :scrutiny:

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4v50 Gary
January 4, 2003, 12:01 PM
Oy! That's easy. I generally vote against incumbents. It's not that they're democrats, but that their anti Second Amendment. Throw the rascals out!

TallPine
January 4, 2003, 12:14 PM
I don't think the 2A is a single issue ...

If someone wants to take away one of our god-given and constitutionally protected rights, then what does that say about their politics in general?

I don't want somebody in DC or state capitol to create jobs or support education or some other BS, I just want them to leave us the heck alone and let us get on with life.

mjustice
January 4, 2003, 12:31 PM
I vote the bill of rights with a heavy emphasis on the second amendment.

I would take a silent Republican over a silent Democrat since (for the moment) I would place my money on the GOP (over the DNC) to help restore/preserve our 2A rights. Even an anti-gun Republican will vote for GOP leadership, which would at least give us a fighting chance. With the current Democratic leadership, I don't think anything other than anti-gun legislation will ever make it out of committee (on the federal level).

MJ

MikeK
January 4, 2003, 12:35 PM
Absolutely!

Gophfer
January 4, 2003, 01:14 PM
I am a single issue voter.

YEP!

Peetmoss
January 4, 2003, 01:33 PM
I do my very best to pick the most 2A friendly canidate.

Mastrogiacomo
January 4, 2003, 01:39 PM
I'm one of those stupid, Massachusetts Kennedy Democat types (although registered Independent). I vote for silly things like health care for the uninsured, lower prescription cost for the eldery, jobs and social services -- and if that candidate is pro-gun, you got my vote. I'm sick of the wealthy being protected in these hard times and those in need getting the shaft.:scrutiny:

pax
January 4, 2003, 06:20 PM
Freedom is my primary issue.

Everything else comes behind that.

Mastrogiacomo, please see my sig quote.

pax

If you would not confront your neighbor and demand his money at the point of a gun to solve every new problem that may appear in your life, you should not allow the government to do it for you. – William E. Simon

In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.' -- Dosteovsky's Grand Inquisitor

Monkeyleg
January 4, 2003, 06:33 PM
Only pro-gun candidates get my vote. If there's no pro-gun candidate in a particular race, I don't vote for anyone. The pro-gun test is applied to every candidate, from school board to US Senate.

Generally, a candidate who's pro-gun also seems to reflect my other views.

Frohickey
January 4, 2003, 06:52 PM
Pro-2A only.

Butch
January 4, 2003, 07:17 PM
I will not vote for anyone who is not strongly pro gun. Beyond that nothing else matters, if he or she doesn't trust me , I don't trust them.:scrutiny:

Billll
January 4, 2003, 08:18 PM
I've noticed that pro-2A candidates tend to also be capitalist anti-statists, at least compared to the antis. In my district, with the exception of President and US senator, I had a choice of a right-wing, reactionary, protege of Atilla the Hun, and his evil twin brother.
I voted the incumbants out, NO on the questions, to not retain all the judges, and went home a happy man.:D

Mastrogiacomo
January 4, 2003, 09:37 PM
"and that government OF the people, BY the people, FOR THE PEOPLE, shall not perish from the earth." Lincoln

"A nation's strength should be measured by their compassion." Bruce Springsteen.

I guess I just don't agree with you. I'll vote to better a person's standard of medical care, widen a person's chance of securing employment, vote to guaranty a child has a right to social services to keep them healthy, well fed, cared for and insured before I vote to protect my guns. Will I vote for a pro-gun candidate? Definately. But before I place my vote, I want to be sure my candidate is pro-people, and will help those that are at mercy of government whose primary concern is big business and helping the weathly get filthy rich. Democrats aren't the only suffering morality programs. I didn't notice those big Repulication CEO's that robbed people of their company's pension high on the compassion end.

Monkeyleg
January 5, 2003, 12:40 AM
Mastrogiacomo: "A nation's strength should be measured by their compassion." Bruce Springsteen.

I've been a huge fan of Bruce Springsteen for decades. I've also realized his failings, which include an inability to articulate a thought that couldn't be encapsulated on a bumper sticker, and the fact that he skipped most of his classes in high school (most pointedly, grammar).

When I was popping zits in high school, I though John Lennon held the solutions to the worlds' problems. My complexion cleared up, Lennon went away, and my sight cleared.

Mastrogiacomo
January 5, 2003, 10:52 AM
Well, that's your opinion. For a dumb ass, it didn't sound like a stupid statement to me, but I guess if you put guns before health care, jobs, a better standard of living for children who need social services -- yes, I guess it is pretty stupid. But then as my mother always said, "Don't expect anything from people" including compassion I guess...

pax
January 5, 2003, 03:04 PM
Mastro,

No reason to get angry; we are all friendly here.

I guess we could play dueling quotes, if you'd like. But it's more interesting to just discuss things and see where the discussion leads us.

I think you are looking at what these people promise, and not at what their programs actually accomplish. They promise to feed the hungry, to provide good health care, to provide a better standard of living for children in need, to provide better education, etc etc.

All these things are noble, compassionate goals. But are they accomplished, by forcibly taking money from people who have earned it, and giving it to those who have not earned it? I don't believe they are.

To use only one example. I'm not going to do your homework for you, but I challenge you to research the amount of money spent in each state on public education, and correlate that amount of money to the standardized test scores. We are continually being told that if we want excellence in education for all our children, we must raise taxes and pay for it. Well and good. But do the test scores show us that spending more money on schools is the way to improve education? Go look it up and you can tell me.

Okay, quite apart from that. You seem to want to grab the word "compassionate," and apply it only to people who are willing to take money from their neighbors at the point of a gun. I do not believe that this is compassion, even if they are going to use the stolen funds for something good -- and even if the plundering is legal at the moment. I think taking money by force is wrong no matter who does it and no matter what is done with the stolen goods.

Personally, I think it's only compassion if it comes from your own pocket and is done voluntarily. Whatever it is that these people are doing, is not compassion by any measure I would call reasonable.

pax

Politicians never accuse you of 'greed' for wanting other people's money --- only for wanting to keep your own money. -- Joseph Sobran

Malone LaVeigh
January 5, 2003, 11:29 PM
Alas, I rarely get to. This year I voted for a pro-gun Rep. Most of the rest of his platform stunk, but I couldn't stand the Dem and the pro-gun part was enough to tip the balance.

2nd Amendment
January 5, 2003, 11:48 PM
The 2A and abortion are my two litmus tests. I also go out of may way to vote against people wanting government health care, expanded social services, etc. The way to help people in tough times is absolutely not by expanding government, any government.

I'd actually love to vote Libertarian but in doing that I might as well vote for the damn Dem so I hold my nose and vote mostly straight Repub.

JeFF D
January 6, 2003, 11:16 AM
It will be, as soon as im old enough to vote.

Neal Bloom
January 6, 2003, 11:27 AM
If they are an incumbent I usually vote against them. Gun control laws are still in the books so I figure they had their chance and did nothing about it. Never trust a politician.

ReadyontheRight
January 6, 2003, 12:33 PM
I would never vote for anyone who did not support the 2nd Amendment.

six 4 sure
January 6, 2003, 12:45 PM
The two issues I vote on are the 2nd Ammendment and the environment.

I'm in the mining industry, typically the same people that don't think you should own a gun, don't like you digging large holes in the ground.

Six

Bartholomew Roberts
January 6, 2003, 05:01 PM
Definitely a major issue, if one candidate has a pro-Second position that is clearly stronger than another candidate, that is the candidate that gets my vote.

In the case of a Republican or a Democrat that are equal on Second Amendment issues - some party (possibly Republican, possibly third party) that does not have the destruction of the Second Amendment as part of their national party platform (*cough* Democrats *cough*) gets my vote.

However, give me a Charles Stenholm, John Dingell or a Howard Dean and I'll vote Democrat.

G-Raptor
January 7, 2003, 12:22 AM
You mean there's another issue. ;)

Seriously though.

My first question about any politician is whether or not he supports my right to own a firearm without licenses and registration. If the answer is no, it doesn't matter what he says after that. Any pol who doesn't trust me with a gun, doesn't deserve my trust, or my vote. :scrutiny:

Sleeping Dog
January 7, 2003, 09:49 AM
I vote the guns.

But, the wife votes the womb.

We're both pro-gun, pro-choice, but the priorities are different so we usually vote differently.

Regards.

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