Smith & Wesson N Frame .22 RF ?


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mnrivrat
June 6, 2006, 04:08 AM
When a young man I worked for a fellow who kept a handgun in his pick-up truck. I found this out when running an errand with his truck one day and seeing the butt sticking out of a pocket in the door panel. Curious as to what it was I took a look.

Looking at the firearm I recall it having a massive frame size and cylinder for a .22 cal rimfire and remember it still as being an N - Frame S&W .

Does anyone know wether S&W ever cataloged a .22 RF in the N-Frame ?

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RON in PA
June 6, 2006, 04:14 AM
Not to my knowledge, J and K frames only.

Starter52
June 6, 2006, 08:42 AM
Could the gun have been a Dan Wesson .22?

Huskerz85
June 6, 2006, 08:43 AM
N frame seems pretty big for something like a .22........but hey, who knows??

steveracer
June 6, 2006, 08:50 AM
I think that's the current "big" .22lr

SaxonPig
June 6, 2006, 09:02 AM
I am aware of one N frame .22 that was made. In the 1930s someone with some money to spend ordered a pair of Registered Magnums from S&W and specified that one be made in .22 Long Rifle rather than .357 Magnum. I don't know if this pair is still together in the same collection but the .22 RM is known to be the hands of a very high-end collector (I can't even imagine what this gun is worth) who prefers to not let his name be made public.

I assume that the .22 revolver you saw wasn't an N frame S&W.

mnrivrat
June 6, 2006, 09:12 AM
Been over 40 years since I seen that revolver but I have always remembered it very well as it stood out like a sore thumb back then.

I have always had it in back of my mind as a custom built , or special order S&W and knew well at the time it was something unusual. No doubt to it being an N - Frame ,or a S&W in .22 RF . I remember that clearly.

The question is wether it was factory produced and there are others, or wether it was factory built on special order, or wether it was a modified custom gun ?

Edited: PS , SaxonPig , Seems like you have at least varified that S&W would make one on special order .

BigG
June 6, 2006, 09:59 AM
Somebody mentioned when this subject came up before that there were possible "lunch box" guns spirited out of the factory. A S&W machinist could certainly build such a weapon using an N frame.

Bqnestle
June 7, 2006, 01:26 AM
I'm dying to try and build one like that. Just need a gun to start on.

What I'd really like to do is build a .22RF on an X Frame. How many rounds could you stuff into that size cylinder????

deadin
June 7, 2006, 08:38 AM
Over the years I've seen a number of M&P's (K-Frames) that had been sleeved (both barrel and cylinder) to .22 LRRF. No reason someone couldn't have done this to a N-Frame.
Other than this, the one Saxon mentioned is that only one I've ever heard of that came from the factory.

Dean

SaxonPig
June 7, 2006, 01:38 PM
Like I said, I have heard of one (1) N frame produced by the factory on special order. This would have been a very costly proposition and I doubt that many (so far only one I know of) shooters would be interested in such a gun.

It's not impossible that a gunsmith could convert an N frame to .22 but since no proper cylinders or barrels are available it would require sleeving or lining the barrel and chambers. I'm not sure why anyone would bother or want one enough to pay the very high cost of such work. And if someone did go to this much trouble and great expense would they then throw this gun under the seat of their truck?

It just makes no sense. Not impossible you saw an N frame .22, but I suspect it's much, much more likely that you simply recall incorrectly.

Could you have seen a Colt rather than a S&W? Colt made some large-frame revolvers in .22 caliber. The Officers Model and Offical Police are big guns and were both offered in .22 caliber.

mnrivrat
June 7, 2006, 02:13 PM
It just makes no sense. Not impossible you saw an N frame .22, but I suspect it's much, much more likely that you simply recall incorrectly.

While I believe my recall on this gun is fully correct, I suppose there is always a chance it is flawed. I've been around firearms all my life however and clearly know the differences - the firearm was like I said "unusual" to me then to a point of having good recall as to it's make, frame size, etc.

It belonged to an older person of some means and sat comfortably in a side pocket on the left door panel (not thrown under the seat or mistreated).

It was in notably used condition but not abused and could have very likely been a 1930's vintage gun. I had suspected that it was a special order and my guess is , that is still possible even if unlikely . In the 1930's I believe most businesses were very pleased to get any order , and accomidated them . If they made one for sure, there is at least some chance they made a second one or two as long as the tooling was set up to produce the unique parts ?

I don't recall cylinder or barrel sleeves, but that is also possible. Overall the gun left vivid memories because of the fact it was not an ordinary firearm - imagine a six shot N-frame cylinder in .22 RF and you get the picture. Significantly out of place makes for that vivid recall.

At any rate - thanks for all the thoughts regarding this firearm. I was hoping that someone had definitive knowledge of a small run of guns made in this configeration , but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm sure that Charlie is long gone now and his daughter Beth either has this gun or it is long gone to someone else after all this time.. I was just curious .

BluesBear
June 23, 2006, 02:46 AM
There was only ONE N-frame .22 rimfire ever produced. That was Registered Magnum #1591 (out of 5224) produced with a 8-3/8" barrel.
That would have been somewhere around 1936.



There were TWO alloy N-frame .22 Hornet CENTERFIRE revolvers made as an experiment in 1955.

Did the gun you recall have fixed or adjustable sights?
There is the rare Model 45 .22 M&P. A fixed sight 4" barrel K-frame. Now they have a rather large look to them.
They were primarily made for the US Post Office but offered for sale to Police Departments as a traing gun.

Peter M. Eick
July 2, 2006, 09:36 AM
I have discussed doing this just for fun. Since there is only one 22RF N frame, why not make it 2?

The problem is the costs. You can either take a nice OD (I would not dare kill a Registered for such a lark) and then either sleeve it or have a new cylinder made and then sleeve the barrel. Not cheap by any stretch. The few smiths I talked to about the concept said it would be "quite" expensive.

I keep looking for a really nice prewar 38/44 Outdoorsman that has some cosmetic problems which needs a refinish then maybe I will blow my bonus some year just to make one.

I keep thinking about it....

mnrivrat
July 2, 2006, 02:07 PM
The firearm I mentioned was indeed the old 38/44 frame .

Viewing the responses from the knowledgable people here it was apparently a sleeved conversion rather than a factory made firearm. The other notable part of this gun was the short barrel where the under lug came right to the end . Looking at the 38/44's I would say it was likely the scarce 3&1/2 inch barrel length as well.

It was an impressive .22 RF revolver and I have never seen another . I don't recall ever seeing the short barrel standard 38/44 in the 40 years since.

Anyway - a curiosity I thought I would share.

kel
July 2, 2006, 02:26 PM
Maybe this is the beer speaking, but imagine how cool this would be.
An X-frame .22 or .22 mag revolver, but have multiple barrels, 2 or 3, and stagger the chambers in the thick cylinder so the action of pulling the trigger lines up one of the 3 barrels with one of the rows of chambers in the cylinder. Find some way to angle the firing pin differently so it points to the correct cylinder. Whammo, 30 shot .22LR revolver! The cylinder notches would be tiny I'll bet.

The only catch, is how do you synchronize the angle of the firing pin (so it points to the correct chamber) with the chamber that is actually lined up a barrel at any given point. There would need to be some mechanism on the end of the cylinder that would angle the firing pin towards the correct chamber.

Lots of small parts, and hellishly complicated, but cool to think about.

mnrivrat
July 2, 2006, 02:34 PM
kel,

Actualy you frame mount the firing pin for each barrel and then make the indexing mechanizim simular to the Remington/Davis (O/U derringer) system to fire one barrel and then the other.

But I agree - maybe it is the beer talking , and hope your hangover is mild ! LOL !!

BluesBear
July 6, 2006, 03:02 AM
Kel, did you mean something like this?
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn4/20shot_s.jpg
We discussed it in this thread. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=44018)

If you were designing a rimfire version from the ground up you could use a rectangular firing pin located in a position that it would strike the bottome edge of the rim for the cartridges alligned with the upper barrel and the upper rim for those firing through the bottom barrel.


The problem with converting an existing N-frame revolver into a .22 rimfire is the location of the firing pin. You'd need to plug the existing hol and machine a new firing pin hole and corosponding channel.
You'd also have to make a new firing pin/hammer nose but that would be the simple part.

If course you could convert it to a dual frame mounted firing pin setup like S&W used in the old Model 53 and also make a .22 Jet cylinder for it.

And don't forget that an N-frame converted to .22 rimflre, even using a .38 tapered barrel, would weigh a considerable amount.



mnrivrat, have you uncovered more information that caused you to revise your recollection of the mystery revolver?

VonFatman
July 6, 2006, 03:24 AM
My Model 53 with it's .22 RF cylinder sure looks large!

Bob

SaxonPig
July 6, 2006, 09:36 AM
The Heavy Duty 38/44 was never made with a 3.5" barrel. So if this is what you saw, somebody had the revolver's barrel and cylinder sleeved to 22 and the barrel shortened. The rim fire cartridge also requires relocating the firing pin and this means welding the frame and drilling a new firing pin hole and reshaping the pin of the hammer for a quick fix or milling the frame for a frame-mounted firing pin (like the factory does it). And then after all this trouble and expense he kept it under the seat of his pick-up truck.

Ooooooo K.

PS: Can you imagine how much this gun would weigh? An N frame with only 22 caliber holes through the barrel and chambers would be a real hefty gun.

PPS: I became enamored with the idea of having a K frame M&P in .22 Long Rifle (the rare Model 45) and discussed such a conversion on a .38 M&P with a talented gunsmith. He said it would be about $1500 over the price of the gun used for the conversion. I had to pass but there are guys with money to make dreams come true so maybe somebody spent 5 times the value of a 38/44 to create a one of a kind 22 but I still think it doesn't make sense and I am sure you recall incorrectly. It happens to all of us.

mnrivrat
July 6, 2006, 12:29 PM
The Heavy Duty 38/44 was never made with a 3.5" barrel.

Alright - it's been a long time and I am not going to dance on a stack of bibles that it wasn't a 4 inch rather than a 3&1/2 inch. With that said you might want to be careful with that word "never" as S&W did indeed make some of the 38/44's with a 3&1/2 inch barrel length. You just have to look behond the bluebook of gun values to find that information.

And then after all this trouble and expense he kept it under the seat of his pick-up truck.

Not sure where you got that from other than another poster who also didn't read my original post very well.

Can you imagine how much this gun would weigh? An N frame with only 22 caliber holes through the barrel and chambers would be a real hefty gun.

I don't have to imagine it - the weight was strikingly memorable , as well as the small chambers in that huge cyclinder.

it would be about $1500 over the price of the gun used for the conversion. I had to pass but there are guys with money to make dreams come true so maybe somebody spent 5 times the value of a 38/44 to create a one of a kind 22 but I still think it doesn't make sense and I am sure you recall incorrectly. It happens to all of us.

I'm guessing here but I think the cost would have been much lower during the depression of the 1930's - you think that might be right ? & yes I know, money was hard to come by for most then , even if it was a lot cheaper.

I am sure you recall incorrectly

Perhaps , but then again my recall is pretty good , and like the 3&1/2 inch barrel model that S&W "never" made , just perhaps , out there somewhere ,is an old S&W 38/44 converted to .22 RF. :)

BigG
July 6, 2006, 01:51 PM
That would be no big thing, unless you have a yen for a fixed sighted 22 K frame. The K22 Model 17 - 617 already exists. Same as a .38 - .357 in 22 caliber, with adj sights.

SaxonPig
July 6, 2006, 08:12 PM
You're right about my misreading the storage aspect. For some reason I thought you said it was under the seat. Mea culpa.

The dollar amounts I cited would be relative. Sure the gunsmithing would be less back then but so too would be the price of the gun. But I think the ratio of maybe 4 or 5 to 1 versus gun value is about right. How many people would spend 4 or 5 times the value of a revolver to have it converted to a .22 caliber? A heavy, fixed-sight .22 at that? How useful would such a gun be to justify the expense?

If you are relying on the Bluebook of Gun Values for info please be aware that this publication is famous for its many goofs. I personally notified them of the error when they printed that the S&W M19 with the 2.5" barrel was never made in nickel. I've never seen nor heard of anyone who has seen an HD with less than a 4" barrel but I did check some other sources and apparently some special order HDs were made in 3.5" so I stand corrected. Roy Jinks calls them "extremely rare." Lucky you for running into so many rare guns. First a .22 N frame of which only one was previously known to exist and then an extrememly rare 3.5" HD. Wait, these were the same gun, weren't they? Wow.

So we have an extremely rare 3.5" HD in a one of a kind caliber riding around in the door panel of a pick-up truck? I guess stranger things have happened (like Paris Hilton actually graduating from high school) but you can understand how one might be just a tad incredulous, no? I still think it highly unlikely that anyone would create such a pistol and it's more likely that you simply remember the gun as something it wasn't.

But if there really is a 3.5" .22 caliber HD out there it would be really cool to have.

tipoc
July 6, 2006, 08:50 PM
The only N frame .22 S&W ever made was an experimental alloy framed N frame in the .22 Jet cartridge.

No N frames chambered in .22 LR were ever factory production.

Colt did produce some .22 LR guns in their larger frames.

You may want to ease by the S&W forum and ask there though.

tipoc

Peter M. Eick
July 6, 2006, 09:13 PM
Tipoc,

One Registered Magnum (registration number 1591) was made in 22 LR with a 8 3/8" barrel. It was a mate to another one in 357 magnum.

Please refer to the top paragraph, page 98, 2nd edition of the S&W standard catalog.

So yes, a 22 long rifle N frame has been made, and frankly I want to make another. It is understood that this gun still exists and is the hands of an S&W collector currently.

BluesBear
July 6, 2006, 10:09 PM
The Heavy Duty 38/44 was never made with a 3.5" barrel. Alright - it's been a long time and I am not going to dance on a stack of bibles that it wasn't a 4 inch rather than a 3&1/2 inch. With that said you might want to be careful with that word "never" as S&W did indeed make some of the 38/44's with a 3&1/2 inch barrel length. You just have to look behond the bluebook of gun values to find that information.
The 38/44 Heavy Duty was made with 4", 5" & 6" barrels. Longer and shorter barrels have been discussed in the literature, but no examples observed.So it seems Saxon Pig was correct.



It seems that mnrivrat's memories have mysteriously clarified themselves.
He started "remembering" it as an N-frame and then asked IF S&W ever made an N-frame .22 rimfire revolver.
After many assurances from several members, (who have spent years studying and collecting S&W revolvers) that there was/is only a solitary single one ever made (and that singular unique revolver has a traceable pedigree), he still insistes that he touched one.


:banghead:

I became enamored with the idea of having a K frame M&P in .22 Long Rifle (the rare Model 45) and discussed such a conversion on a .38 M&P with a talented gunsmith. He said it would be about $1500 over the price of the gun used for the conversion. I had to pass but there are guys with money to make dreams come true so maybe somebody spent 5 times the value of a 38/44 to create a one of a kind 22 but I still think it doesn't make sense and I am sure you recall incorrectly.
I'm guessing here but I think the cost would have been much lower during the depression of the 1930's - you think that might be right ? Of couse the price would have been less during the depression years. But oif you compare 1930 dollars to current dollars you'll find that it would have actually cost proportionally MORE to have it done back then.


:cool:
Guesses, fuzzy memories and wishful thinking do not trump facts.

The real question is why would anyone in their right mind do such a conversion for a truck gun when there were many cheaper, as good or better, models available atthat time?

The odds are astronomically small that you touched a converted N-frame .22 Rimfire Smith & Wesson revolver.

Perhaps , but then again my recall is pretty good , and like the 3&1/2 inch barrel model that S&W "never" made , just perhaps , out there somewhere ,is an old S&W 38/44 converted to .22 RF. OK I'll stick my neck out and go with Jim Supica & Rich Nahas and say that there never was a 3.5" S&W 38/44 Heavy Duty revolver produced by the factory.
Perhaps there is one so converted but I seriously and I mean seriously doubt it.

Hell's Bells™, in my memory, the first Colt Commander I handled in 1961 was a lot bigger than the one I currently own. Is there any chance that my Father had a rare custom made extra large model?
Perhaps? :neener:

mnrivrat
July 6, 2006, 10:19 PM
So we have an extremely rare 3.5" HD in a one of a kind caliber riding around in the door panel of a pick-up truck? I guess stranger things have happened (like Paris Hilton actually graduating from high school) but you can understand how one might be just a tad incredulous, no? I still think it highly unlikely that anyone would create such a pistol and it's more likely that you simply remember the gun as something it wasn't.

I'll certainly yield to the possibility of not being infallible , because lets face it - we all can be wrong can't we ? A few posts back you were sure they didn't make a 3.5 inch barrel for example .

I started this as a question to draw information from all those knowledgable regarding what I remember as the details of an unusual firearm that I had seen many years ago - not to swap sarcasm or to draw accusations of tall tales.

What I have discovered of value is that what I saw was almost certainly not a factory gun, but one converted in caliber on the aftermarket. Wether it was a 3.5" or a 4" barrel is of little importance as I tossed that information in not as a fact, but a possibility as I recalled a short barrel. The .22RF in the N-frame is clear in my mind, so I am either mistaken and possibly pre-maturely senile , or there is a non-factory made N-Frame S&W out there in .22 RF.

Either way , wrong or right, I can live with that, and yes - I can understand why one might be a tad incredulous . Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it that counts. Peace ! :D

PS: BluesBear - Well ! Ah hell, forget it , ain't worth it .

tipoc
July 6, 2006, 10:29 PM
Peter,
You are correct. I should of said that none were standard factory production, other than the experimentals I mentioned. Special orders were common up till the second world war so why not a .22LR N frame.

Gunsmiths than and now can and have produced them. Hamilton Bowen for one.

I have no reason to doubt the man when he says he remembers the gun. It's possible. If he said maybe, than I'd think he saw a K frame Outdoorsman or a Colt. But he says he's clear on it and it stuck in his mind. Good enough for me.

Personally I've seen a First Gen Colt SAA converted to .22LR so it is possible.

tipoc

SaxonPig
July 7, 2006, 05:05 PM
I wasn't trying to be sarcastic and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

BluesBear, Roy Jinks does mention in his book that a few 3.5" HDs were made on special order. He called them "extremely rare" meaning there's a couple out there. As you noted Supica & Nahas admit to never seeing one or hearing from anyone who's seen one. To me this revelation doesn't qualify as discounting my statement that the HD wasn't made in less than 4" barrel lengths. They weren't made on regular production. But apparently (according to Jinks) a very small number were created on special order. These weren't really "made" but were actually factory conversions, created by cutting the standard 4" barrel.

mnrivrat, like I just told BB I am not admitting to being in error on the barrel length. The 3.5" was a custom job done on special order and hardly constitutes being generally available. I conceded that some were sold, but as they were not available to the average buyer I stand by my statement that the HD wasn't available with less than a 4" barrel because it wasn't unless you had connections at S&W. I know it's splitting hairs but that seems to be what you want to do by saying I was mistaken when I said 4" was the lower limit because a couple special order pieces were made.

I have a bad habit of asking myself "does this make sense?" when people tell me things. To me building a custom gun as you describe makes no sense. What would you do with a 3.5" fixed-sight .22 that weighs 60 ounces? Why would you spend the money it would take to create a gun of such limited usefulness? And after spending all that money would you then stick in the map pocket of a car door and drive around with it letting people find it there?

But if I have learned nothing else in this world I have learned that common sense isn't required for most activities so it's completely possible that somebody built the gun you have described. The reasoning would be beyond my comprehension but hey, if Adam Sandler can be a movie star then anything is possible.

BTW- My wife's uncle once bought a Mosin-Nagant revolver that had been converted to .22 LR caliber. This was years before these things flooded the market so it was a semi-rare gun at the time. I thought that was weird but somebody must have thought it was a good idea. You never know.

tipoc
July 7, 2006, 07:19 PM
A small point...There is no .22 RF cartridge. There is the .22 Short, the .22 Long, the .22 Long Rifle which is the one we commonly use and call the .22, and the .22 WRM called the .22 Magnum. All these are rimfires. There are others but most are obsolete.

tipoc

mnrivrat
July 7, 2006, 07:41 PM
I wasn't trying to be sarcastic and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

And I wasn't trying to convince anybody that this was a factory made conversion , and if you took it that way I'm sorry .


Hey guy , we are square and I harbor no hard feelings

I think you in fact did mean to be at least a bit sarcastic, and certainly wanted to express the fact that you didn't believe for a minute that I had handled such an item , or that it existed. So be it , and your opinion is duely noted .
Like I said , sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it that makes fitting conversation, and I did feel your message was contrived ,attempting to make me look a fool for suggesting the existance of a .22 RF N-frame.

Once one considers as probable fact that this was not a factory produced item then the barrel length also becomes irrelivant as anyone who would/could do this conversion could easily modify the barrel to whatever length that pleased them.
Also to be perfectly honest, the why ? it doesn't make sense ! , part could apply to a ton of firearms I have seen and that are being produced yet to this day. Why do people spend $10,000 and more on a trap gun ? . why do they make a .410 revolver, a 45- 70 revolver , a .44 magnum derringer , and on and on.

After 50 years of shooting, buying , selling, repairing, and modifying hundreds of firearms I guess I am less skeptical about what people will build just for the hell of it.

BluesBear
July 7, 2006, 07:46 PM
A smal point. We are using the term .22RF to differentiate from the .22 centerfire revolvers that S&W actually DID make.

Commonly called the .22 Remington Magnum or .22 Jet. Sone were produced with barrel markings of simply *.22 Magnum*.


In many other areas the term .22RF means a gun that will shoot .22 Short, Long & Long Rifle ammunition.
Nowadays many guns are chambered for .22 Long Rifle but will not feed or eject the shorter rounds.
It used to be understood thata gun chambered in .22 Long Rifle would also operate with the shorter ammunition.
But the popularity of semi-automatic rifles and pistols that will only operate with Long Rifle fodder has changed that.

Saying a gun is chambered for .22RF usually means it will use all three basic rounds, Short, Long & Long Rifle.

And as long as we're splitting hairs you forgot the .22 BB Cap and .22 CB Cap. They are both .22 rimfire rounds and both are still in current production and will fire in standard .22 chambers.

And then there is the .22WRF (Winchester RimFire) which is produced intermittently and will work in a .22 WMR chamber.

As well as the .22 Winchester Auto that Aguila has recently resurrected which also, years ago, I fired in my Ruger WMR cylinder.

Now I haven't seen any .22 Remington Automatic ammo in decades.
:D

tipoc
July 7, 2006, 08:29 PM
Now you are splitting hairs. And no you're useing the term cuz you forgot the actual name, and we both got a copy of "Cartridges of the World". Nothing worse than a fella that has to be right backwards. (:

tipoc

BluesBear
July 7, 2006, 10:37 PM
Actually I did all of that from memory.
If I had dug out COTW I probably could have found more.
:neener:
I intentionally omitted the .22XL since it was obsolete before the last century.
:D

SaxonPig
July 9, 2006, 08:47 AM
I never tried to make you look like a fool. All I said it was more likely that your recollection was incorrect. This was not intended as an insult. I also said that it happens to all of us and indeed it does. I have very vivid memories of dating Raquel Welch back in the early 1970s but it turns out I apparently did not.

ugaarguy
July 9, 2006, 09:20 AM
Ok, maybe I'm crazy, but here's a thought. How scarce was ammo during the depression? Scarce enough that a man with funds might just have his N Frame converted to 22RF for wider and cheaper ammo availabilty? Would it have been possible that it was cheaper to have a good gunsmith (who's happy to have any work in those lean years so does it at a lower rate) convert your existing revolver than it would be to buy one already chambered in 22RF; especially considering that your sell/trade value on your N Fame is horrible because no one will spend the money for a gun they can't get ammo for in good times, much less the very bad times of the depression. So maybe the guy had some money, or some relative did, and the gun got converted like this, he inherits it, doesn't know just how special it is, keeps it in his truck as a good 22 truck gun. Maybe mnrivrrat really did handle an N Frame in 22RF - I'll give him and his memory the benefit of the doubt.

OPOEFC
July 12, 2006, 12:53 AM
I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the fact the S&W made approx. 10 Triple Lock N frames on .22 Long Rifle caliber. One was advertised for sale in a classified ad in Florida, circa 1953. I spoke to the seller via telephone who said the gun was original, not an alteration. I don't remember the price but it was more than I could afford as a G.I.Bill college student, however I called the factory and spoke to a person there who later called me back and said about 10 .22LR N frames were made using 1st model .44 HE frames, etc. Roy Jinks tells me he has never lettered one, nor yet ran across the records on them, so they may have been all expirementals and never dispursed through the normal shipping records. S&W has made a lot of strange and wonderful firearms ( I have an American Model in .22RF and a .44DA in .44Special caliber !) that won't necessarily letter, but came out of the factory nevertheless. How about a .35 Auto with a nine inch barrel? Bottom line is the gun in the pickup may well have been one of the approx. ten .22RF N Frames.

mnrivrat
July 12, 2006, 01:32 AM
Thanks OPOEFC ,

Great information and that's why pooling our expertese and experiences makes us all more knowledgable.

I tend to trust the experts who are smart enough to know that they may not know everything.

Thanks for your input , it gives an added dimension to this topic. :D

SaxonPig
July 12, 2006, 10:22 AM
If you look long enough you'll find all sorts of weird one or two of a kind guns mostly made before WW II. The odds on actually seeing one are very slim and unless something was actually offered for sale to the general public I don't consider it as having been available.

A small number of P08s in .45 ACP were built for army testing before WW I. I think 2 are known to still exist. Does this mean Lugers were "made" in 45 caliber?

Colt experimented with a 41 Magnum Python in the mid 1960s. A couple were built, most were blown up in testing, and I heard that one or two may be floating around in high end collections. Does this mean we can say the Python was made in 41 Magnum?

As for non-factory conversions, anything is possible although some things seem highly unlikely.

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