PPK in 9mm Parabellum.


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Alan Fud
June 8, 2006, 07:55 PM
If Rohrbaugh can produce a gun chambered in 9mm Parabellum that is smaller than the PPK ...

http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f144.jpg

... why doesn't Walther/S&W redesign the PPK in that (9mm Parabellum) caliber?

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XLMiguel
June 8, 2006, 08:12 PM
The PPK is a blow-back design. It is a nasty gun to shoot in .380, and though there are 9mm blow-backs, I really don't think a PPK with stronger springs, etc., to accommodate the 9mm would be pleasant. Re-engineering to convert it to a Browning-based locked breech design with lugs, cam/link, guide rod, etc., probably isn't practical due to the small size of the gun. JMHO, I'm not familiar with the Rohrbaugh design, but have you looked at a Kahr PM-9?

If Walther/S&W wanted to do a small 9mm, they'd be better off starting with a clean sheet of paper, IMO.

dfariswheel
June 8, 2006, 08:16 PM
Because there would be so much redesigning to do, it would no longer BE a PPK.

The PP series was designed in the late 1920's and introduced in 1929.
At the time, and until the last 15 to 20 years, it was still about the best small auto on the market.

It's only problem is, the design has been overtaken by new designs that pack 9mm and .40 caliber rounds in even smaller packages. (Kahr Arms).

In order to allow shooting of 9mm ammo, the entire design would have to change from a blow-back to a locked breech design and this would entail so many changes to the slide and frame, you'd be better off just going ahead and upgrading the design to a more modern version.

The PP series is the "1911" of the .380 pocket autos. It's about the best of the breed, and no one has ever quite managed to squeeze so much in so small and so high a quality package.

It is what it is, but there are better, newer designs for higher powered rounds.

MCgunner
June 8, 2006, 09:21 PM
The blow backs I can think of in 9mm have HUGE heavy slides/bolts. A baby 9 has to have delay blow back, so no "redesign", have to be a whole new gun. Anyway, the PF9, P11, PM9, Skyy, PT111, even the G26 which is a little larger and heavier are at least AS small and concealable as the PPK if not smaller and lighter. The PPK is a bit of an anachronism IMHO. There are .380s now, like the late great Mustang pocket light, the NAA Guardian, and the P3 AT that define the .380's size and weight.

gopguy
June 11, 2006, 10:15 AM
Back in the 1930s Walther built a pistol they called the MP. It looked like a PP on steroids. It was a pure blowback 9mm parabellum and it was a resounding failure. I have only seen one, 20 years ago at a gun show in Columbus Ohio and I could have bought it for $500......still kicking myself. Neat, rare Walther.......

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