When the ban happens what will you do?


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Snarlingiron
June 10, 2006, 11:49 PM
I was prompted to get my CHL, and get my weapons cache updated, and my training updated by the events of Katrina. Fact is we are all just a big wind or earthquake away from anarchy. With that said, and with the current political climate, I fear it is entirely possible, that we will see a British or Austrialilan style weapons ban in the not too distant future. Should that happen what will you do???

Will you go gentle into that good night, or will you be in the "When they pry my cold dead fingers off the barrel" camp?

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Molon Labe
June 11, 2006, 12:01 AM
what will you do???Nothing.

In other words, I will carry out my business as I always have. Any "gun ban" would have no meaning to me. I will continue to shoot my guns as if a ban never happened.

And when someone interferes with my inalienable right to bear arms, rest assured they will soon meet their maker...

xd9fan
June 11, 2006, 12:11 AM
+1......the simple God's truth......

ctdonath
June 11, 2006, 12:14 AM
What ban? Natural rights, esp. as recognized in the BoR, trump lesser laws.

CAnnoneer
June 11, 2006, 12:16 AM
If the gov cannot collect 20 million aliens, how would they be able to collect 150 million guns? Mr Commie President, "unenforcibility" works both ways...

The-Fly
June 11, 2006, 12:20 AM
the gun grabbers are welcome to my toys, once I've run out of bullets, or i've melted the barrels down while exterminating fascists /socialists who are trying to remove the forementioned toys from my hands.

progunner1957
June 11, 2006, 12:29 AM
Nothing.

In other words, I will carry out my business as I always have. Any "gun ban" would have no meaning to me. I will continue to shoot my guns as if a ban never happened.

And when someone interferes with my inalienable right to bear arms, rest assured they will soon meet their maker...:D:evil: :D :evil: :D :evil:

Art Eatman
June 11, 2006, 12:30 AM
Sorry, but I just really don't see any liklihood of a "ban". The usual suspects will continue their nonsense, but as long as the US House of Representatives maintains anything like its present makeup, with its Republican majority, it can't happen.

State level laws? Generally going our way, given the improvements in CHL. And the publicity following the Katrina fiasco has a lot of state legislators running scared of our voting strength.

Our real danger comes from our own apathy as regards activism in the political arena...

Art

ProficientRifleman
June 11, 2006, 12:30 AM
I'll be a "good citizen" !!!:neener: :evil: :)

Soybomb
June 11, 2006, 12:31 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there will be no "gun confiscation day" its a war of attrition. First theres no importing of foreign built non-sporting rifles, no new class 3 guns, and tight control of the ones that exist and suppressors. Then its an assault weapons ban, then you roll .50bmg into it. Then you start registering all guns, then you quit registering handguns like chicago has done. It takes a few decades but eventually the supply will have disappeared and whats left will have a high price and be tightly controlled, except for your single shot sporting weapons of course. Gun owners for the most part won't care because half just want to hunt only, most of the rest won't get too upset if they can keep what they have. Even the gun ownership lobbies will accept your "sensible gun control" and not try to regain full auto weapons. Where were the machismo filled events that so many love to detail when they'll scream molon labe and hand over their guns (ammo first) for the federal AWB, class 3 laws, state awb's, chicago bans, illinois registration of gun owners, etc.

In short I think gun owners blow alot of smoke alot of the time. :evil:

beerslurpy
June 11, 2006, 12:33 AM
No ban on the way. Stop stirring up trouble.

No, I have not been replaced by a pod.

Rather than encouraging molon labe type talk over unlikely scenarios, your energies would be better spent helping to push the tide towards more stand your ground and more shall-issue ccw type laws. These are movements that are succeeding and would be succeeding faster if more people evangelized or at least pitched in. Laws like that force people to accept and eventually feel comfortable with the concept of RKBA as a fundamental right and a normal, socially acceptable activity.

The end result of such activism is that more people feel threatened by bans and we also get to free-ride upon the infrastructure they support (ranges, ammo and gun manufacturers, competitions, good laws). Contrast that to the end result of molon labe type "I will kill everyone" rambo talk. While internet ramblings are unlikely to get you arrested by the FBI, it is also unlikely to bring RKBA into the mainstream.

And again, no I havent been replaced by a pod.

progunner1957
June 11, 2006, 12:38 AM
as long as the US House of Representatives maintains anything like its present makeup, with its Republican majority, it can't happen.
But what happens this November after The Sheeple rout the Republican majority and turn both the Senate and the House over to leftist/Democrat/socialist control?

What happens in 2008 when a leftist/Democrat/socialist wins/steals the White House and inherits a leftist/Democrat/socialist controlled Congress?

Something to think about.

beerslurpy
June 11, 2006, 12:51 AM
The sheeple dont care about bush when they pull the local lever. As long as their rep takes the right stance on their issues, they wont vote them out and they wont raise the hammer and sickle. The one whose job is most endangered by Bush's low approval ratings is Bush, and he isnt running again.

The Republicans are self destructing, but the Dems cant occupy the vaccuum because they arent equipped to win the conservative vote. If the people that give the Repubs low ratings in the phone polls still vote for them in the elections, the Republicans arent going to lose power. The sad thing is that this is worse for conservatives than it is for republicans since they can piss on us with impunity. Well, not total impunity- there are always primaries and the Dems could go back to allowing in conservatives like they did in the old Solid South days. But I dont see that happening this year.

Nightfall
June 11, 2006, 02:41 AM
Doesn't Snarlingiron get a trophy or something for being the 1,000th poster to make a thread about this? :D

Maybe we should just permanently sticky this thread or one of the thousand others so we don't have to keep rehashing the "gun owner armageddon" stuff ad nauseum.

xd9fan
June 11, 2006, 05:14 AM
If the gov cannot collect 20 million aliens, how would they be able to collect 150 million guns? Mr Commie President, "unenforcibility" works both ways...

LOL God theres some great truth to that..............I hope:uhoh:

Oldtimer
June 11, 2006, 09:15 AM
There isn't much of a chance that there will ever be a total ban on guns in the USA....BUT we may see outlandish increases of the taxes on firearms and ammunition!

There have already been legislative "tries" to impose a 5-cents, and even a 10-cents tax, imposed on ammunition....and those were PER ROUND, not per box! That would kick up the price of .22LR ammo to about $5, or $10 for a box of 50 rounds! Kind of expensive "plinking"!

The late U.S. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) authored legislative papers that called for a 10,000% increase of the federal tax on ammo. Moynihan never submitted that legislation, but it was supposedly handed over to a certain Senator Hillary Rodham-Clinton, who has claimed that she might submit it "....when the timing is right"!

They (the anti-gun folks) have "wormed" their way into almost all facets of life, and a lot of sheeple are going along with the ideas of adding taxes on guns and ammo, since they "cause" so much violence, plus the costs involved with the medical treatment of shooting victims.

It's "okay" for the emergency rooms of hospitals to be used as "HMO's" for illegal aliens....for FREE, but.....increase the taxes on the evil guns and ammo to pay for the emergency rooms that are currently going broke!

Snarlingiron
June 11, 2006, 09:20 AM
But what happens this November after The Sheeple rout the Republican majority and turn both the Senate and the House over to leftist/Democrat/socialist control?

What happens in 2008 when a leftist/Democrat/socialist wins/steals the White House and inherits a leftist/Democrat/socialist controlled Congress?

Something to think about.

This is pretty much what prompted me to make the post. I think a lot of people aren't taking Hillary nearly seriously enough.

Doesn't Snarlingiron get a trophy or something for being the 1,000th poster to make a thread about this?

Sorry, new member, and I am a "jump right in and stir the pot" kind of guy". I wasn't aware that it was a shopworn topic, although I guess I should have been now that I think about it. I'll search first next time.

No ban on the way. Stop stirring up trouble.

Guess I kind of touched a nerve, and that was my intent. Sitting back and telling ourselves that it "can never happen here" pretty much insures that it will.

atlctyslkr
June 11, 2006, 09:27 AM
Prohibition didn't work so why would a gun ban. Liquor is easy to make compared to guns but ammo isn't that hard. A gun ban would just spawn a whole new crop of crime.

I belive it's something that will happen over time. A national handgun ban I could see. I've met alot of people against handguns but that have no problem with sporting rifles and shotguns. On a basic level there is not much difference in eating a farm grown chicken and a duck that was hunted.

Sergeant Bob
June 11, 2006, 10:35 AM
Oh goody! Another chance for a bunch of self styled rebels and keyboard commandos to bluster bravely "From my cold, dead hands!", "Molon Labe!", and "I'll give up my guns barrel first, one bullet at a time!".

Weeeeeeee! What fun! :barf:

Deanimator
June 11, 2006, 10:44 AM
There isn't going to be a ban.

There might be a very bloody guerrilla war, instead though.

doc tc
June 11, 2006, 10:52 AM
it is not about "them" taking away anything, be it guns or booze or what ever. there is no "them", there is only "us". we would do well to think clearly about our obligations to the protection, through our political process, of the freedoms bequeathed to us by previous generations and to put away the fear that tends to knot up our otherwise reliable minds.

"cold dead fingers"? well, that statement may express our ultimate belief but it does nothing to persuade others to adopt a more enlightened view of gun ownership. great rhetoric, poor tactic. not particularly helpful, politically speaking for any number of obvious reasons.

shouting at your listener will not move him to your position. showing fear will not improve your credibility.

just the facts, ma'am.

britain and australia and any number of other countries which have limited or even banned firearms altogether offer examples of failed political "solutions" to the "gun problem". let's use these results to support our defense of our rights.

we do all know that the price of our rights is eternal vigilance, yes? and though rights might well be won at the end of a barrel, they are secured through political consensus?

so take a kid duck hunting. support competitive marksmanship. do something positive.

and another thing. all this SHTF talk. you know, this kind of talk is just so much crap. "what you're gonna' do when they come for you"? give me a break. tough guy rhetoric is not helpful to the cause.

guns don't make girly men more than they are.

flame on,

doc

gopguy
June 11, 2006, 11:00 AM
They would be ill advised to ever go for a national gun ban. There would be huge noncompliance. And rightly so.

The Romans used to say "Lex Mala Lex Nulla". A bad law is null and void, or in other words to be ignored. I keep hearing liberals, for example the late Molly Yard screaming that if congress banned abortion there would be lawlessness in the streets. I well remember Democratic politicians praising her for saying that... However I can just imagine those same folks saying if we won't comply with a gun ban we are dangerous criminals.....:rolleyes:

The most brutal mass murder in the US after all was when Bill Clinton,Janet Reno and the FBI/BATF gassed and burned over 90 American men women and children in the attempt to enforce a gun control law........and they never did prove the Davidians had any illegal full auto weapons......Just because they were weird is not an excuse to barbeque them.......:fire:

I see no need to comply with a illegal and unconstituional law passed by a bunch of tyrants. If they try this I think they may well start the Second American war for independence.....as the country and government founded by my ancestors will have ceased to exist. Radical you might say....no more so than Thomas Jefferson and his comment that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

gopguy
June 11, 2006, 11:13 AM
Oh goody! Another chance for a bunch of self styled rebels and keyboard commandos to bluster bravely "From my cold, dead hands!", "Molon Labe!", and "I'll give up my guns barrel first, one bullet at a time!".

Weeeeeeee! What fun!


Hmm so what will the Sergent Bob's do?

Folks it is a serious question. If the Democrats do get back into power in Congress and grab the White House they may indeed want to retaliate against the folks they blame for thier losing control of Congress in 1994. The American gun owner and the NRA. Clinton himself and the Washington Post credited us with tossing out the Dems.....Bob may think it keyboard warrior rubbish. But I think it needs to be made clear to the Joe Biden, Chucky Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy's etc..... out there that they will be asking for a revolt if they ever try such a thing.....

TooTaxed
June 11, 2006, 11:36 AM
Sorry folks...but gun bans are entirely possible after the next elections.

Our major political parties have become polarized regarding the issue of gun ownership...Republicans for, Democrats against. Major Democratic party leaders...Clinton, Feinstein, Boxer, Moynahan, Kennedy, Kerry, and MANY others...have come out strongly for draconian gun control. (Remember the Assault Weapons Ban?) I can't think of one nationally ranked Democratic leader who espouses gun owenership! And the Republican Party is in a popularity downswing.

A Democratic leadership can accomplish legal disarmament by one..or both...of two methods. Pass laws in Congress, or acquiess with the United Nations people disarmament program. Once the bans are passed, it becomes very difficult to reverse them, even after another change of government.

It is absolutely essential that we be VERY politically active during the next elections.:uhoh:

gm
June 11, 2006, 11:53 AM
it wont be everything,all at once.it will be incremental as it has been and on a state by state basis.it will be applied under the guise of being sensable or part of some other bill that the mainstream sheeple want...the ol compromise.
ya know sneaky things that the antis pull at the last minute and the bill gets passed while everyone is standing about or not present, then itll go to the antigun president who will happily pass it.


thats the way it has been done,it got us the permanent bans from earlyin the 1930s,later,the new machinegun ban of 1986,the importban of 89, later..the semi-permanent 10 year ban on features.if you look at states,just take a look at california and some of the other lone states that have similiar laws and passing stricter ones... enter a gun grabbing new orleans dictator wannabe during an emergency... the ruby ridge fiasco,its all there.

my point being it can happen but not all at once and that there are people that have the backing and political muscle if you will, to push such things.We have to let them all know its unacceptable and expose them for what they are.Voting is one way to do so,demonstrations are another,as are voicing your opinion to every senator.


to answer it,by all peaceful means available.if it came down to confiscation at my doorstep,they would certainly have to take them from me because I would not give them up.

el44vaquero
June 11, 2006, 12:22 PM
Who says they will take away the guns? I agree with some of the other statements about hitting the ammo. Doesn't it make more since to take away the ammo? "Oh, I can just make my own.", those of you will say. What happens if the outlaw powder and primers too? Kinda hard making ammo without those two huh? We can keep our guns I'm almost sure, but the ammo might be were they choose to strike. IMHO of course.

gopguy
June 11, 2006, 01:29 PM
Who says they will take away the guns? I agree with some of the other statements about hitting the ammo. Doesn't it make more since to take away the ammo? "Oh, I can just make my own.", those of you will say. What happens if the outlaw powder and primers too? Kinda hard making ammo without those two huh? We can keep our guns I'm almost sure, but the ammo might be were they choose to strike. IMHO of course.

Actually it has been thought of...sometime back at that. About 13-14 years ago Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan proposed a 10,000% ammo tax that would have been prohibitive. He did this because he thought the Supreme Court might not go along with a total firearm ban.....and that if ammo were so expensive the ammo makers would stop makingi it for the private market.....he was also operating under the mistaken assumption that primer life was only about 5 years. Luckily there were enough pro gun dems in those days to stop it from happening.....they are are pretty much like Moynihan now......taking the eternal dirt nap. Very few pro gun dems in Washington these days....


http://www.illinimedia.com/di/archives/1993/November/11/theedit1.html

I actually remember a friend of mine took this very serious. He went out buying several flintlocks at the time saying he thought there would be a run on them. He also saidl "I can make homemade gunpowder and flints are easy to replace and I have my own bullet molds....

Art Eatman
June 11, 2006, 02:15 PM
Gunowners, as a group, can have more effect on the electees to the House than to the Senate or the Presidency, although we're not impotent with the latter two.

Until third party candidates are showing some attractiveness at the local level, no third party is more than a voice of protest or a waste of one's vote. No third party candidate has a prayer at national office beyond the occasional Ron Paul--who's run as a Republican.

Our best hope is for a mix of status quo or new pro-gun electees into the House of Representatives. As long as "we" have influence in the House, it matters much less about the desires of the President or of the usual suspects in the Senate.

That's what I see as the reality of the polical scene, anyway, and that's separate and distinct from some of my "druthers".

Art

Low-Sci
June 11, 2006, 03:19 PM
The whole thing about this gun armageddon bull is that its preventable. The creeping incrementalism that actually (sometimes) works can be reversed. take the 1994 assault weapons ban for instance. And the big armageddon is preventable, by activism in the political arena.

So really, the question "what will you do if" is only a question you have to ask yourself if you intend to not prevent it from happening, or have resigned yourself to the idea that you can't prevent it, thus lying to yourself. Frankly, I don't intend to let it happen, so the point is moot to me.

gopguy
June 11, 2006, 03:27 PM
So really, the question "what will you do if" is only a question you have to ask yourself if you intend to not prevent it from happening, or have resigned yourself to the idea that you can't prevent it, thus lying to yourself. Frankly, I don't intend to let it happen, so the point is moot to me.

I think the question is asked because people wonder what other people will do.....hard to fight tyranny as a army of one.

Barbara
June 11, 2006, 04:06 PM
Personally, I'm going to log onto the net and complain about it a lot and then talk real big about what I'm going to do when they ban steak knives.

Hkmp5sd
June 11, 2006, 04:16 PM
I''ll officially roll over in my grave in protest. It ain't gonna happen in my life.

There will never be a gun ban similar to UK's ban in the US aka an instantaneous outright ban and confiscation.

What will happen in the US is we get bans on the new manufacture of classes of weapons, like "assault weapons", .50 calibers, "saturday night specials", etc. Typical divide and conquer. Split the shotgunners from the hunters, from competition shooters from plinkers from home defense from gun nuts. People don't complain about things that don't affect them.

The bans will allow existing weapons to remain in the civilian hands. They will then require turning in the banned guns when the owner dies, no inheritance. A few more decades of brainwashing in the public school system (only police and miltary need guns.....2nd Amendment means National Guard) and everyone will willingly hand them over.

leadcounsel
June 11, 2006, 04:31 PM
The government knows that they can't forcibly take away guns overngiht. That will create a war.

Instead, it's a gradual errosion, silently done in local, state and federal legislature rooms where no progun people are represented. It's a sad state of affairs.

First it's full auto weapons and short rifles and shotguns. If you're ever convicted of domestic abuse, any felony, etc. you can't have guns. Next it's the AWB and it's nonsense (hard to believe that just a few years ago you couldn't buy a newly made 20+ round magazine or gun with a folding stock!). That would likely still exist if it weren't for the sunset provision and leaders indifferent to the sunsetting ban.

So, there won't be any ONE measure to make gun owners revolt. It will just be the gradual errosion through registration, gradual confiscation, etc.

Even though many people own guns, most don't understand the gravity or importance of the 2nd Amendment and will sell it out for the notion of safety by the police, alarm systems, gated communities, etc.

Rexrider
June 11, 2006, 04:38 PM
Personally, I'm going to log onto the net and complain about it a lot and then talk real big about what I'm going to do when they ban steak knives.

That quote right there is the most likely scenario I have ever seen posted anywhere in response to this type of question. Joking or otherwise.

Voters stepped up to the plate in '94. We (the people) demonstrated what could be done at the poles. The Democrats paid dearly for the AWB. Lets make sure they (and the Republicans) don't forget that.

MidnightRambler
June 11, 2006, 07:55 PM
I don't see a total ban occurring. With the greatest number of states now allowing ccw, I think it's going the other way. The antis are screaming, but they are losing. And my senator has told me the UN will never have the authority to ban Americans from having firearms, and he and the other Congresspeople will never allow it.

I'm not concerned about a total ban.

Lonestar.45
June 12, 2006, 03:38 PM
I see a terrible boat accident in my future, with all my guns lost...

DKSuddeth
June 12, 2006, 03:50 PM
sorry officer, I don't own any registered weapons. Didn't your database show you that already?

WT
June 12, 2006, 04:00 PM
A ban? Unenforceable.

No more bullets? Some enterprising Colombian businessman will export ammo to the USA along with several tons of coke.

cbsbyte
June 12, 2006, 07:32 PM
I agree once the Dems take over in 2006 then 2008 president election it is more than likley they will try to pass a complete gun ban, or at least a ban on Semi-autos, pump actions and handguns. The outcome will depend on the percentage of their majority rule, and if they can get enough Republicans to side with them.
Since all my guns are all registired with the Mass State Police, there is not much I can do. Claiming they all got stolen right before the ban takes affect would be very suspecious. I quess I would have to turn them in.

mbt2001
June 13, 2006, 03:19 PM
If there is ever a total GUN BAN, I will get my law degree and sue every Hollywood motion picture maker that picture GUNS in their movies or refer to GUNS in their movies after that...

Prolly make millions and then I will buy the big island of HAwaii and invite y'all to come live their and found our own country....

boofus
June 13, 2006, 03:40 PM
I'm joining Karl Rove's Machete and Chainsaw Squad.

dev_null
June 13, 2006, 05:49 PM
When the ban happens what will you do?
If I have a dollar for every time someone asks this question, I'll be able to buy an island when it happens. Assuming I live to be 500 years old, that is. :neener:

lamazza
June 13, 2006, 08:14 PM
leadcounsel hit it right on the head. It will

lamazza
June 13, 2006, 08:17 PM
accidental double post

308win
June 13, 2006, 08:23 PM
Anyone foolish enough to adopt a strategy of depending on the police for protection/personal safety/etc. deserves what they get. After all, when the laws are passed it will be the police (including members on this forum) who will be knocking on the door - after all, they are "only enforcing the law".:fire:

Stevie-Ray
June 13, 2006, 09:27 PM
No gun bans on the horizon. Creeping incrementalism. IOW, business as usual for the leftists. No need to tick off the entire populace at once.

meef
June 13, 2006, 10:19 PM
What I would do remains to be seen.

What I will not do, however, is in the meantime post a bunch of "cold dead hands" macho spewing on a public bulletin board.

:rolleyes:

flatdog
June 13, 2006, 11:12 PM
Why would anyone with any survival instinct at all. Log on the internet, which they swear is being monitored by the government for every single keystroke. And then tell that same government what they plan to do when it comes for their guns?

Don't Tread On Me
June 13, 2006, 11:50 PM
Multiple military pattern rifles of the same type/compatibility - check

A stash of replacement parts that are 100% interchangeable with any of them - check

A set of specialty tools for fully gunsmithing said rifles - check.

A stash of factory-made SHTF-grade ammunition, all of which is the same caliber for all of the same rifles - check

A stash of magazines, all of which are compatible with all the rifles, and ammo - check.

A reloading set up - check.

Components for the cartridge chosen above - check.

Methods for preserving ammo, magz, tools, rifles - check.

Multiple storage locations for all of the above - check.



This thread shouldn't be about what you will do WHEN the ban happens...but what should you do BEFORE the ban happens... ;)


Truth is, we've had about 50 threads on what will people do when the ban happens, and they all get locked, because people give their honest opinions, which tend to be of the "molon labe" variety, and that isn't very High Road...which makes you wonder if the Second Amendment isn't very High Road by that standard. Not trying to stir up anything here, I can understand that the moderators do not want a forum full of death-threats, and threats of potential violence against the government when this forum's goal is to promote the RKBA to fence-sitters. That sort of talk scares off those who are on the verge of accepting the RKBA.


It is much more productive to get currently pro-RKBA folks to understand the value of owning and collecting military pattern rifles, ammo and magazines in QUANTITY. That is very High Road and very gun related in my opinion.

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