Troops scare would-be illegal immigrants away from border, officials say


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Desertdog
June 12, 2006, 04:17 PM
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Troops scare would-be illegal immigrants away from border, officials say
http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=5019859



SAN LUIS RIO COLORADO, Mexico -- The arrival of U.S. National Guard troops in Arizona has scared off illegal Mexican migrants along the border as a whole, significantly reducing crossings, according to U.S. and Mexican officials.

U.S. authorities said Monday that detentions along the U.S.-Mexico border have decreased by 21 percent, to 26,994, in the first 10 days of June, compared with 34,077 for the same period a year ago.

Along the Arizona border, once the busiest crossing spot, detentions have dropped 23 percent, according to the U.S. Border Patrol.

The desert region's blistering June temperatures typically drive down the number of migrants, but not so drastically, said Mario Martinez, a spokesman with the U.S. Border Patrol in Washington.

The 55 soldiers who arrived June 3 are the first of some 6,000 troops to be gradually dispatched all along the border as part of President Bush's plan to stem illegal immigration to the United States.

The soldiers aren't allowed to detain migrants and have been limited to projects like extending border fences and repairing roads, but the military's presence are keeping would-be crossers away from the area, migrant rights activists said.

"Some migrants have told me they heard about the troops on television and, because the U.S. Army doesn't have a very good reputation, they prefer not to cross," Loureiro said, referring to reports of abuse in Iraq. Others have been discouraged by smugglers' fees that have nearly doubled to more than $3,000.

Loureiro said the shelter was housing about 12 migrants a night, down from about 100.

Jorge Vazquez, coordinator for Mexico's Grupo Beta migrant aid agency in San Luis Rio Colorado, across from San Luis, Ariz., said that before the troops arrived, his agents encountered at least two dozens migrants daily, most waiting for nightfall to begin their trek through the sandy desert.

"There have been days ... when we've found only three migrants," Vazquez said.

Some migrants may be moving to the California-Mexico border, the only stretch of border that saw a spike in detentions, which were up 7 percent to 5,965 in the first 10 days of June.

But it was too early to tell if the deployment would have a permanent effect on migrant routes and crossings of the 2,000-mile border.

Wearing army fatigues and hard hats, the soldiers have worked on projects such as installing vehicle barriers to help prevent smugglers from driving cars full of migrants or drugs across the border.

Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano has said that 2,500 troops will be stationed in the four U.S. border states _ Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas _ by the end of the month.

The deployment plan has been criticized in Mexico as heavy-handed, and the Mexican government has said it will watch to ensure National Guard troops aren't detaining migrants.

Only the most persistent migrants remained in San Luis Rio Colorado, which sits across from the area patrolled by the U.S. Border Patrol's Yuma station, the busiest of the Patrol's 143 outposts.

Migrants in the region walk some 25 miles through the scrub-covered desert with summer temperatures often exceeding 100 degrees, and then hop on cargo trains to reach their destination.

Laureano Miranda, a 37-year-old farm worker from Mexico's Sinaloa state, said he was trying to get back to a construction job in Los Angeles.

Miranda and six relatives, who were sewing pieces of carpet to their shoes to avoid leaving footprints, planned to wait for nightfall and start walking across the border 25 miles west of where the troops were stationed.

Miranda, who earned about $6 a day picking tomatoes in Sinaloa, said he had heard about the deployment but planned to cross into Arizona anyway.

"If there are soldiers or not it's the same thing, because it's always been difficult to cross," Miranda said. "Here, we depend on our luck."

Miranda said he made it into the United States on the first try last year, but he expected a more difficult journey this time.

"We've heard that there are soldiers and armed 'migrant hunters' but we have to try," Miranda said. "If we don't make it in three tries, then we'll go back home."

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CAnnoneer
June 12, 2006, 04:25 PM
Wait, does this mean that our Lords of the Realm are wrong and securing the border is actually doable??

Sinsaba
June 12, 2006, 04:32 PM
Imagine if the National Guard were actually allowed to ... uh.. GUARD!! Instead of doing construction work we could have illegal entrants do!!

TallPine
June 12, 2006, 04:58 PM
the Mexican government has said it will watch to ensure National Guard troops aren't detaining migrants.

Oh, really ... So what do they think they they're gonna do about it...? :p

ProficientRifleman
June 12, 2006, 06:30 PM
Think of it! The President actually has the constitutionall
authority to deploy this nation's Army to stop an INVASION! What a concept!

Pilgrim
June 12, 2006, 07:39 PM
the Mexican government has said it will watch to ensure National Guard troops aren't detaining migrants.
Cheeky buggers, aren't they?

Pilgrim

RWMC
June 12, 2006, 11:43 PM
I would love to see our troops be able to display a "show of force" along the border. It would just blow the minds of the illegals if when they peeked over the top of a hill on the mexican side ( I refuse to capitalize their countrys' name anymore ) of the border to see a M1A1 Abrahms tank, slowly patrolling the desert country side. Just for grinns, wouldn't it be fun to have the tanks supplied with some extra loud blank rounds? Imagine the possibilities...

beerslurpy
June 12, 2006, 11:49 PM
I'm sure you can scale up a bird bomb to 120mm. That would be quite the deterrent. Lol bleeding eardrums.

It would be funny seeing Lynddie England leading around a bunch of naked mexicans on a leash. Deterrent of the century.

Waitone
June 13, 2006, 08:11 AM
Any push-back by the US will have a significant effect on illegal border crosses. Too many stories out there which indicate the illegals are not willing run the risk when the US pushes back.

Funny story. Several weeks ago a story appeared in the papers in and around Raleigh, NC. Seems local authorities were chasing a bad guy. Also seems INS was involved for whatever the reason. Anyhow the chase including an INS vehicle entered the grounds of Carter-Findley stadium where construction was ongoing. According to the story upon seeing and INS vehicle chasing a perp something like 60 workers dropped their tools and ran. That story is repeated daily all over the country.

Iggy
June 13, 2006, 09:12 AM
Back in the 70's I was a Highway Patrolman.. When things got slow I would drive over to the local potato processing plant It made potato chips.

I would drive into the parking lot to check registrations etc.. All legal and part of my job. I would get a big kick out of watching the illegals burst out of the place like a bunch of pheasants.

It was fun watching the potatos drop off the end of the conveyor belts, the bosses fuming as they stared out the windows, and the dark faces popping up and down in the surrounding fields.

I was told that enforcing the vehicle registration law was within my authority, but illegal immigration was not, so I just eked out my own satisfaction within the scope of my authority.:evil:

beerslurpy
June 13, 2006, 09:24 AM
My hero.

gopguy
June 13, 2006, 10:08 AM
Glad to see something is being done to stem the invasion......but we need more. Even here in Ohio we are over run with them. Here in my home town, one house on the main drag has a sign on a tree proclaiming "Welcome to Mexico". This is no longer a SW US problem. It is indeed national. Our crime reports are now filled with hispanic names, unheard of 6 years ago.

XLMiguel
June 13, 2006, 10:09 AM
Secure teh borders! It can be done. We might also want to start to do a better job of documenting the ones we catch, e.g. first strike = free ride home; second strike = 90 days in 'camp' and a free ride home; third strike = 1 year in jail, ride home, and permanent injunction against ever being able to gain U.S. citizenship.

OT, but funny - there was a little sporting goods shop in McLean by a pub I used to frequesnt for lunch. They also did team jersys, etc for local league teams, including the CIA, FBI, INS, DEA, and also sold similarly logo'd t-shirts and baseball caps. If one were inclined, it was great fun to put on an INS cap and shirt and walk in the back door of some restraunt you were peeved at . . . . not that I ever did anything like that :evil:

Hawkmoon
June 13, 2006, 11:19 AM
U.S. authorities said Monday that detentions along the U.S.-Mexico border have decreased by 21 percent, to 26,994, in the first 10 days of June, compared with 34,077 for the same period a year ago.
Yes, it certainly appears we have THAT little problem under control now.

NOT! :banghead:

Lemme see if I can remember 4th grade arithmetic. 26,994 detentions (which probably represents only a tiny fraction of the number of actual incursions) over 10 days is ... hmmm ... 2,699.4 per day. Pardon me for rounding that up to 2,700.

2,700 detentions per day times 365 days per year is still 985,500 detentions per year. As an order of magnitude, that's a million people per year.

And what percentage of the incursions do we think are actually caught? 10%? 25%? I'd guess closer to 10%, so that means we're still looking at 10 MILLION illegals sneaking across the border every year.

Remember ... figures never lie, but liars always figure.

longeyes
June 13, 2006, 12:00 PM
Well, that problem's solved, the Guard did their job and can go home, and we can all vote Republican.

I'm with Hawkmoon. The Catastrophe continues.

Phetro
June 13, 2006, 12:50 PM
This is ridiculous. I just had to rewrite it to be more accurate.

SAN LUIS RIO COLORADO, Mexico -- The arrival of U.S. National Guard troops in Arizona has changed nothing along the border as a whole, since the troops are unable to detain illegal aliens, according to someone who will actually tell you the truth.

U.S. authorities said Monday that detentions along the U.S.-Mexico border have decreased by 21 percent, to 26,994, in the first 10 days of June, compared with 34,077 for the same period a year ago. But since no one is actually trying to stop the invasion, rather just paying lip service to the effort, the truth is probably just that less invaders have been caught, says someone who has nothing to lose by being honest about the border fiasco.

Along the Arizona border, once the busiest crossing spot, detentions have dropped 23 percent, according to the U.S. Border Patrol. This much is probably true, in light of the above-mentioned facts.

The desert region's blistering June temperatures typically drive down the number of migrants, but not so drastically, said Mario Martinez, a spokesman with the U.S. Border Patrol in Washington.

The problem is, the number of "migrants" has been and will remain at 0. The number of illegal aliens, however, is expected to double over the next several years. Of course, they won't be called that, since by then they'll be given full amnesty by your government. Goodbye, America!

The 55 soldiers who arrived June 3 are the first of some 6,000 troops to be gradually dispatched all along the border as part of President Bush's plan to fool the American people into thinking something is actually being done.

Again, the soldiers aren't allowed to detain migrants, so whatever difference they are supposed to make is unclear.

"Some migrants have told me they heard about the troops on television and, because the U.S. Army doesn't have a very good reputation, they prefer not to cross," Loureiro said, never missing a chance to get a leftist anti-American slur into his "commentary." It is not known who "migrants" refers to, either, since "migrants" have nothing to do with the border fiasco. Others have been discouraged by smugglers' fees that have nearly doubled to more than $3,000. And the beatings they get for not paying on time don't help much either...

Loureiro said the shelter was housing about 12 migrants a night, down from about 100. Migrants, however, are legally in the country. The number of them has dropped now that it has become so easy to illegally gain entrance into the US. So it goes without saying.

Jorge Vazquez, coordinator for a pro-illegal-alien-invasion agency in San Luis Rio Colorado, across from San Luis, Ariz., said that before the troops arrived, his agents helped hundreds of illegals daily, most waiting for nightfall to begin their insidious trek through the sandy desert.

"There have been days ... when we've found only three migrants," Vazquez said. He, like Loureiro, doesn't distinguish invaders from lawful immigrants.

Some invaders may be moving to the California-Mexico border, the only stretch of border that saw a spike in detentions, which were up 7 percent to 5,965 in the first 10 days of June. Californians with more than half a brain have had it "up to here" with the criminal invasion, this writer thinks. The Democraps are beside themselves with glee at the prospect of so many criminals in the country, as a vast majority of them are expect to vote D after Republicans give them full amnesty and voting privileges.

It was too early to tell if the deployment would have a permanent effect on migrant routes and crossings of the 2,000-mile border. Amnesty's effect, however, is well-known to be positive in the eyes of socialists and neo-socialists (the latter also being occasionally known as "neoconservatives).

Wearing army fatigues and hard hats, the soldiers have worked on projects such as installing vehicle barriers to help prevent smugglers from driving cars full of invaders or drugs across the border. Yippee. This stopped one car, but its passengers just got out and walked. They were not detained.

Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano has said that 2,500 troops will be stationed in the four U.S. border states _ Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas _ by the end of the month. Most troops are expected to be on perpetual smoke breaks, since detaining invaders isn't allowed. The US government has no interest in stopping the invasion or its participants, after all.

A new US motto has been proposed by several Democraps: "Death of a Thousand Cuts to America!"

The deployment plan has been criticized in Mexico of all places as heavy-handed, as if we should care what Mexicans think--and the Mexican government has said it will watch to ensure National Guard troops aren't detaining illegal aliens. Scary stuff. Maybe they'll attack the National Guard and find out what happens when the leash breaks and the NG takes the gloves off against orders. We can only dream.

"Hey ese, you no be takin' the criminales to day jail, or we be gonna be demonstrabatin' in street!" read part of an offical statement from some idiot in Mexico's illegal alien pipeline. No translators were available to decrypt the message.

Only the most persistent illegals--you know, the ones that are really, really determined to do jobs Americans won't do for less than minimum wage--remained in San Luis Rio Colorado.

Illegals in the region walk some 25 miles through the scrub-covered desert with summer temperatures often exceeding 100 degrees, and then hop on cargo trains to reach their destination. Given the demographics of American cities, it's safe to say their destinations are normally in urban areas, where the jobs are ripe for the tak--I uh, mean stealing.

Laureano Miranda, a 37-year-old farm worker from Mexico's Sinaloa state, said he was trying to get back to a construction job in Los Angeles (that he stole from a formerly hard-working American). Mexican farm workers are building American buildings, and Americans wonder why quality is down...go figure.

Miranda and six relatives, who were sewing pieces of carpet to their shoes to avoid leaving footprints, planned to wait for nightfall and start walking across the border 25 miles west of where the troops were stationed. Clever. And don't forget: he's bringing six more with him. Imagine the burst we'll see after he gets rewarded with amnesty for all his "hard work."

Miranda, who earned about $6 a day picking tomatoes in Sinaloa, said he had heard about the deployment but planned to cross into Arizona anyway. After all, why earn $6 when you can steal $60?

"If there are soldiers or not it's the same thing, because it's always been difficult to cross," Miranda said. "Here, we depend on our luck."

Here's hoping his luck runs out.

Miranda said he made it into the United States on the first try last year, but he expected a more difficult journey this time. Impossible would be even better, but this is in direct contrast to the US government's policy of "never what's good for the country."

"We've heard that there are soldiers and armed 'migrant hunters' but we have to try," Miranda said. "If we don't make it in three tries, then we'll go back home." Back home where they belong...sounds like a song.

ball3006
June 13, 2006, 01:16 PM
Let's get worried about the other 79 percent......................This whole dog and pony show ain't over until it is ZERO percent.............chris3

Biker
June 13, 2006, 01:20 PM
BP estimates that they catch 25-30% of attempted illegal crossers. As was mentioned before, this just means that we're getting more illegals on the public dole every day. Thank you President Bush.
BOHICA.

Biker

longeyes
June 13, 2006, 02:24 PM
I like the psyops approach myself: Convince Mexicans the border is "haunted" and they will be cursed if they cross.

Zen21Tao
June 13, 2006, 08:03 PM
"Some migrants have told me they heard about the troops on television and, because the U.S. Army doesn't have a very good reputation, they prefer not to cross," Loureiro said, referring to reports of abuse in Iraq.

LOL, I guess we found a silver lining behind the Club Gitmo and Abu Gharib scandals. Maybe we should give the troups dogs and make the illegals stand on milk crates if caught. :evil:

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