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Desertdog
June 13, 2006, 01:17 PM
Gore to train 1,000 to spread word about climate
By Timothy Gardner
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060613/en_nm/environment_gore_dc

Al Gore hopes to train 1,000 messengers he hopes will spread out across the country and present a slide show about global warming that captures the essence of his Hollywood documentary and book.

The former vice president, a Democrat, said on Monday that by the end of the summer he would start a bipartisan education campaign to train 1,000 people to give a version of his slide show on global warming featured in the film "An Inconvenient Truth" and book of the same name.

"This moment cannot be allowed to pass," Gore told reporters in New York. "I have seen and heard times before when the awareness of the climate crisis has peaked and then a few months later it's gone. I think this time is different, but I have to say I'm not certain of that."

The book is an expanded version of the film. Both are based on a slide show he has given more than 1,000 times over the past 30 years on the dangers of global warming. He says climate change is a crisis that has become a moral issue.

Most scientists believe carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases trap the sun's heat in the atmosphere leading to stronger storms and rising sea levels that could swamp low-lying islands by 2100.

Gore said all the profits from his film and the book will be donated to train the messengers. He said the carriers of the message will give the slide show at high schools and rotary clubs in the United States and around the world.

Gore said on Monday, as he has consistently, that he had no plans to run for president in 2008. He added that he would continue to give the slide show even as the messengers give their versions of it.

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Camp David
June 13, 2006, 01:28 PM
Al Gore hopes to train 1,000 messengers he hopes will spread out across the country and present a slide show about global warming that captures the essence of his Hollywood documentary and book.

Why Gore is doing this shows his hand...

Methinks this effort is more about politics than environment; while Albert has always been one of the radical left's darling on environment policies, he accomplished precious little for the environment while he was VP for Clinton, so I am not sure what more he proposes now...

And specifically toward Gore's media circus on global warming called "An Inconvenient Truth" Yes Albert... the planet is getting crowded! With overcrowding comes abuse of the planet! Can't do much for that. And forget about averybody suddenly parking their internal combustion car and riding horses... won't happen. Accept reality Al. Global Warming is a theory Al. Lots of eminent scientists still are not onboard...

Save your 2008 campaign stunts Al... You lost in 2000. Get over it! You didn't even win your home state of Tennessee... 1,000 robots spreading your GREENPEACE message is a joke...you know darn well these eco messengers will switch to GORE IN 2008 signs at your instantaneous command!!!

MrTuffPaws
June 13, 2006, 01:35 PM
Global Warming is a theory

Actually, Global Warming is a fact. The theory part is wither we, as in humans, have anything to do with it.

Desertdog
June 13, 2006, 01:41 PM
Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

A few quotes a a fairly long article.

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:

Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. "The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."

There is much more reading in the article.

Lone_Gunman
June 13, 2006, 01:42 PM
while Albert has always been one of the radical left's darling on environment policies, he accomplished precious little for the environment while he was VP for Clinton

I wonder exactly what you think a Vice President can actually "accomplish" on environmental issues? Or just about any other major issue for that matter?

What exactly has Cheney accomplished as Vice President?

Other than supporting the President's policies, there isnt much for a VP to do.

Gore is not going to try to run again in 2008, so this is not some grand left wing plan to jump start his political campaign.

Camp David
June 13, 2006, 01:46 PM
Gore is not going to try to run again in 2008

Funny stuff! ;) Very funny stuff...

hksw
June 13, 2006, 01:54 PM
Ahh. The establishment of the Cult of Gore. Hopefully, they will see the benefits of Kool Aid with elightenment enhencing additives.

Mongo the Mutterer
June 13, 2006, 02:05 PM
Actually, Global Warming is a fact.

BWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Proof Please??? A slight climatic change in the last 100 years does not pose a problem, except for the charlatans and "scientists" who are making a living off the issue, and to them it is a career.

BTW, how many of the Kyoto signatories have lived up to the treaty? Hmmm.

Seems like it is a good way to reduce America to its knees, nothing more. Oh, and it is something for the Tennessee Two by Four to do.

Lone_Gunman
June 13, 2006, 02:06 PM
Just because Gore is a liberal does not necessarily mean his ideas about global warming and the environment are incorrect.

And no, I don't think he will seriously try to get the Democratic nomination, and if he does try, he will lose.

I think he is just trying to put the environment back on the national agenda, and make a place for himself so he is not completely lost to obscurity.

gopguy
June 13, 2006, 02:08 PM
Actually, Global Warming is a fact. The theory part is wither we, as in humans, have anything to do with it.

Here in Ohio the last couple of days have stuggled to get up in the 70s....over the weekend it was in the mid 50s.....I am sorry but when it is mid june and I have the heat on I am not in the mood for a dufus like Gore to tell me there is Global Warming and it is caused by my SUV. :neener:

They say the surface temperature is going up on Mars too.....I am trying to figure out how libs are going to blame Bush or the fact I am a gun owner for that....But I am sure they will find a way.:rolleyes:

Lucky
June 13, 2006, 02:12 PM
I'd suggest that climate change is real, and since it proposes a massive threat, some actions should be taken. It's just logical. Even if it's only a 50% possibility that climate change is real, that merits countermeasures.

Build sea-walls around coastal cities. Improve storm sewers. Dig irrigation canals in areas that will otherwise become desertified.

Lone_Gunman
June 13, 2006, 02:13 PM
I am sorry but when it is mid june and I have the heat on I am not in the mood for a dufus like Gore to tell me there is Global Warming and it is caused by my SUV.


Now thats a scientific evaluation of the facts!

greg700
June 13, 2006, 02:14 PM
For some reason, I can't stop picturing Al Gore wearing a Still Suit and training the Freemen ala Dune.

Global warming IS a fact, but it has been a fact for several hundred years now. The climate record throughout Earth's history has been very irregular and it is nearly impossible to determine how much (if any) impact we are having on it and how much is natural. You have temperature fluctuations due to CO2 output (cars, volcanoes, cow farts, etc.), but you also have Milankovitch cycles (eccentricity, obliquity, and precession of earth's orbit), variations in solar output (hotter sun=you guessed it, hotter planet), plant makeup (forests vs. bare ground) and ocean temperatures (not entirely dependent on average climate).

There are a lot of natural buffers to prevent run-away warming. For instance, if the ice caps begin to melt and raise sea levels, it will increase the area of warm-shallow seas where those organisms that precipitate carbon (calcite/aragonite) can survive, thus increasing the amount of CO2 that gets pulled out of the atmosphere.

Is global warming an issue worth being concerned about? Sure, but where are the real facts? and what about other issues that are provable, like the depletion of the ogallala (sp?) aquifer and the mass poisionings by arsenosis in china because of arsenic laced groundwater and coal?

At least our release of CO2 into the atmosphere is self limiting because we have a very finite quantity of available oil.

The issue is far more complicated than both sides let on, but Gore seems to be using this global warming scare as a catapault back into the limelight. He's a turd of monumental...nay, global proportions.

gopguy
June 13, 2006, 02:21 PM
Global warming IS a fact, I remember watching scientists as recently as the early 1980s telling us we were heading towards another ice age.

Science is not in agreement on this....unless you are a scientist getting federal money for looking at this....and being told you better find proof of global warming as you accept the money bag.

I'd suggest that climate change is real, and since it proposes a massive threat, some actions should be taken. It's just logical. Even if it's only a 50% possibility that climate change is real, that merits countermeasures.
:scrutiny: To blazes with that!

The proposed counter measure is the Kyoto Treaty which would turn America into a backward third world country while China, India and other developing countries can polute like there is no tomorrow.......screw that and any politician pushing it. :neener:

Mongo the Mutterer
June 13, 2006, 02:23 PM
One of my favorite "Global Warming" anecdotes was a pinhead "scientist" stating that the drought in 1988 which caused navigational problems in the Missouri River Basin was caused by the evvvvilll GWarming.

Google "Flood of 93" and see what we had 5 years later.

After reading his prediction I laughed for a half day.

Mother nature gets hot, she gets cold, she gets dry, and she can get very, very wet. Has nothing to do with humans, and everything to do with her.

By the way, I had a bad case of the 'roids several months ago. Blamed it on global warming...(but no one paid me for my prediction...) :rolleyes:

gopguy
June 13, 2006, 02:35 PM
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I am sorry but when it is mid june and I have the heat on I am not in the mood for a dufus like Gore to tell me there is Global Warming and it is caused by my SUV.



Now thats a scientific evaluation of the facts!
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It was not meant to be scientific observation.....it was a little something libs don't have...common sense.:neener:

Marshall
June 13, 2006, 02:36 PM
This is all for selling more books and becoming positioned for another run.

Camp David
June 13, 2006, 03:12 PM
I think he is just trying to put the environment back on the national agenda, and make a place for himself so he is not completely lost to obscurity.

Your first part is valid; too late on your second part!! ;)

I still think this is Gore's attempt to become an underground nominee for the Democrat Convention in 07!

Lone_Gunman
June 13, 2006, 03:21 PM
It was not meant to be scientific observation.....it was a little something libs don't have...common sense.

It is also common sense that the world is flat, and if you sail too far, you will fall off the edge.

gopguy
June 13, 2006, 03:52 PM
It is also common sense that the world is flat, and if you sail too far, you will fall off the edge. Perhaps to libs who have not studied their history.;)

Just like 700 years ago when everyone assumed the world was flat we have a new flat earth society created by a plethora of media talking heads (who get a lot wrong.) who all assume there is global warming because a few scientists with an agenda tell them it is so.....

I am saying there is not universal agreement about this by scientists......and to have Al Gore out there pushing this does not impress me as the best way to sell it....The guy is not known for being the brightest bulb in the box.

This is the guy photographed leaning over the muzzle of a M-16 in Vietnam. Remember?

http://www.snopes.com/military/goreviet.htm

engineer151515
June 13, 2006, 04:10 PM
This moment cannot be allowed to pass," Gore told reporters in New York.


Gore too, shall pass.

Lone_Gunman
June 13, 2006, 04:41 PM
a few scientists with an agenda

Both sides of this argument have agendas. Or do you think scientists with ties to oil companies, for example, are unbiased?

Now I don't know for sure if global warming is happening, though I suspect it is, and it does not seem unreasonable to think that man may be contributing. But I am very skeptical of a scientist who would emphatically deny it is happening.

ArmedBear
June 13, 2006, 05:01 PM
Actually, Global Warming is a fact. The theory part is wither we, as in humans, have anything to do with it.

Not even Global Warming is really substantiated. The earth appeared to be cooling until a couple decades ago; then it appeared to be warming. Some recent measurements show little change.

We do know that climate has varied continuously for the history of the planet, including during the time we have been writing. We certainly have come out of the "little ice age" of a few hundred years ago, but does that mean that there really is a general warming trend that has continued and will continue? This has not been established.

If you're interested in some engaging presentations on the subject, go here and read: http://www.michael-crichton.com/speeches/index.html

Al Gore wants to create a bogeyman, and he then wants to offer to save us from it. Even IF there is significant anthropogenic global warming (not really established, if you read enough about it), and even IF this is a bad thing (there is no evidence that a rise of .5 degree Celsius is bad or good), the only thing Al Gore can or will do is amass power and money for himself.

Wake up: if Europe ever does do anything to reduce "greenhouse emissions", which they haven't -- except for emitting MORE "hot air", and the US does, at devastating cost to our standard of living, then India and China surely will not. So even if all the doomsday predictions are true, they'll happen anyway, and the only people who end up really screwed will be us. Sorry. I'm not buying it.

Carl N. Brown
June 13, 2006, 05:01 PM
Gore to train 1,000 to spread word about climate

Wouldn't that additional hot air contribute to global warming?

MCgunner
June 13, 2006, 05:13 PM
Folks, we've been coming out of a mini ice age for the last 200 years. This has little to do with anything man has done. I have little doubt that increases, however small, in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere might have some measurable effect, but it's tiny compared to what mother nature does. Nothing remains the same. At one time, the atmosphere of earth was primarily methane gas and had NO oxygen in it! Life is what changed that, the rise of photosynthetic organisms however you believe that came about (trying to avoid a religious thing here) Another ice age will likely follow whatever this warming trend does just out of natural cycle, changes in declination of the earth, distance of earth's orbit from the sun, things we cannot control.

Whatever Al Gore does has nothing to do with anything other than political gain, of this you can rely. He ain't friggin' Einstein even if he did invent the internet. :rolleyes: He knows no more about the situation than I do and probably less because he only listens to one side in the scientific world, the side that offers him political gain.

WYO
June 13, 2006, 05:34 PM
Perhaps we should call these 1000 messengers "Gorons."

mohican
June 13, 2006, 05:39 PM
I can remember back in the seventies (ah, those wonderfull days of childhood that not even Carter could ruin) the environmental theory was that due to various reasons the next Ice Age was just around the corner.

now the icecaps melting is imminent.

Cosmoline
June 13, 2006, 05:57 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/gore.jpg

HankB
June 13, 2006, 06:02 PM
The main reason to "address" the Global Warming Crisis is to give more power to government(s) to control people's lives - limit fuel use, trade carbon credits (hang onto your Yankee Dollars!) etc.

I wonder how Algore explains the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from roughly 800 AD to 1300 AD. Estimates are that global temperatures were between 1 and 3 degrees centigrade warmer than today. Greenland was settled by Vikings, vineyards were doing well in Britain . . . but then it got cold, Greenland was abandoned, and the Brits quit making wine.

Manedwolf
June 13, 2006, 06:30 PM
Q, why is a completely non-gun-related thread bashing Gore about his environmental stance unlocked, but ANY thread that bashes on Bush for even civil liberties locked?

This thread sounds more like Free Republic than THR.

Hmm.

Cosmoline
June 13, 2006, 06:38 PM
Gore is one of the most powerful antis in the Democratic ranks. Though his current interest is on global warming, he remains a potential Presidential threat and it's a good idea to keep an eye on his antics. He's already proven he's a turncoat on RKBA issues who cannot be trusted.

MCgunner
June 13, 2006, 06:44 PM
Gore is one of the most powerful antis in the Democratic ranks.

He was once supportive of the second ammendment, back when he wanted the NRA's endorsement. Nowdays, the political winds have changed for him and he floats with the winds. He has no principles other than what it takes to get elected. He's a typical politician and leans left these days for political reasons.

zoom6zoom
June 13, 2006, 06:54 PM
Instead of training 1000 people to give slide shows, why doesn't he just make a movie?

Oh, yeah... that didn't work either.

carterbeauford
June 13, 2006, 06:58 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Manbearpig1.jpg

At an appearance at an elementary school, Gore emphasized, "guys, I am super, super cereal."

Sorry but this is what I think of when I read Al Gore's name.

Diamondback
June 13, 2006, 07:01 PM
Global Warming is a theory.........

Actually, Global Warming is a fact. The theory part is wither we, as in humans, have anything to do with it.

Thank you !......while I'm no fan of Al Gore, to continue to ignore the facts is folly ....in January, six former heads of the Environmental Protection Agency, five of whom had served under Republican Administrations, met with the then current administrator, Stephen Johnson, for a panel discussion in Washington. Panelists were asked to hold up their hands if they believed global warming to be a real problem. Every one of them, including Johnson, raised a hand.
Antarctica is losing ice like bucket with a hole. The rate of loss measured by a pair of satellites launched in 2002 by NASA and the German aerospace agency is around thirty-six cubic miles per year (for comparison's sake , the city of Los Angeles uses about one-fifth of a cubic mile of water annually)....and the loss of ice in Greenland is even more staggering.
The only issue that remains seems to be....ok, the planet is warming up and no one can be sure why...so do we continue to quibble about the cause of climate change (whether man-made or natural) and what do we do about it. Do we spend our money on the problems associated with climate change.......you know, the same old problems of poverty, disease, and natural hazards like floods, storms and droughts, or do we spend our money on a climate change process that we don't understand. Rest assured.....we WILL be spending money...larger and larger sums !

-Regards

mountainclmbr
June 13, 2006, 07:54 PM
I don't know how socialism can cure global warming. It must be true though because those leftists are really deep thinkers. Just ask them.

Zen21Tao
June 13, 2006, 07:59 PM
At an appearance at an elementary school, Gore emphasized, "guys, I am super, super cereal."

Sorry but this is what I think of when I read Al Gore's name.

Here's a Manbearpig video clip for you. It really is worth a watch. The show uses manbearpig as an (unspoken) analogy to global warming.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrfNPtH-_qI&search=manbearpig

By the way, here is what I think of when I hear Gore's name:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7479/gorebearpig4tz.jpg

mec
June 13, 2006, 08:09 PM
One spin on the current climate trend is that we are emerging or have just emerged from a "mini-ice age" that lasted from the 13th century until about 1850. It could also be from all the petrochemicals being put into the atmosphere or a side effect of six to ten billion people all exhaling and farting at the same time. Could be from a combination of all of these elements and others unknown.

One thing for sure, if the hippie/collectivist/cultural communism types have co-opted the situation, the planet is doomed.

lamazza
June 13, 2006, 08:51 PM
+1 GopGuy. Yes, first its the ice age and now global warming...
I've read quite a bit about GW and I find no facts pointing to that.
Michael Crichton's State of Fear has alot to say about this, and its backed by data and references..
Gore is a loser and always will be, I really can't imagine why he doesn't campaign for something that's real for a change, he just might wake up realizing that it feels good to be real for a change.
O_0 I hope he doesn't read this and shut down my internet..

ArmedBear
June 13, 2006, 09:05 PM
Antarctica is losing ice like bucket with a hole. The rate of loss measured by a pair of satellites launched in 2002 by NASA and the German aerospace agency is around thirty-six cubic miles per year (for comparison's sake , the city of Los Angeles uses about one-fifth of a cubic mile of water annually)....and the loss of ice in Greenland is even more staggering.

The loss of ice on the Martian ice caps is similar, and many glaciers -- the vast majority -- are growing. Climate is, indeed, changing, as it has been doing every second since the earth developed an atmosphere.

Check out Michael Crichton for a much longer treatise on the problems with using this to define trendy, expensive socialist policy for the benefit of professional political families like the Gores, and at too much cost to those of us who earn a living.

gunsmith
June 13, 2006, 09:19 PM
Perhaps we should call these 1000 messengers "Gorons.":evil: :evil: :D :D ......

the same folks who lie to me about "gun control"
are the same ones who tell me all about global warming.

The biggest polluter in the modern world is China and they would have
never been affected by the Kyoto agreement plus Gorbachev
is a big wig in this "green" movement and I think the green movement is
communism but now it's a green menace not red menace.
it's the same old socialism repackaged. The Soviets were great recyclers.

mountainclmbr
June 13, 2006, 09:37 PM
Gore is just a watermelon. Green on the outside, but red on the inside.

Manedwolf
June 13, 2006, 09:46 PM
Michael Crichton's State of Fear has alot to say about this, and its backed by data and references..

Repeat after me. Michael Crighton writes..fiction. FICTION. F-I-C-T-I-O-N.

Do you get your tactical ideas from Steven Segal movies, too?

C. Rabbit
June 13, 2006, 09:53 PM
Wasn't Unintended Consequences fiction too?
CR

James T Thomas
June 13, 2006, 09:58 PM
It is a typical ploy from Holywood that when your box office appeal is waning that you do something, it does not matter what; good or bad, to get yourself back in the NEWS. Fresh in people's minds. The topic of discussion.
How many celebs have been caught at the airport with drugs -the filthy drugs doesn't matter, it is the notoriety that counts.

I suspect that the pre-release sampling of his new book and film have not been received well, and so, there will be a great big publicity splash made of all this and the cast of "thousands."
My guess is it will coincide with a crucial Democratic politician's re-election.

HankB: Your insight about obtaining more government authority and control is a bullseye. Fright tactics. Every day we see about the scary guns on the streets too. Coincidence?

Diamondback: Please keep in mind that all those E.P.A. elite are bureaucrats whose livelyhood is in the form of a government monthly check.
As far as integrity of their testimonies, there are too many past examples of our nation relying on government authorites, only to find that as the excellent President Ronald Reagan stated: " I have great confidence in the sound judgement of the American people." Not politicans. A prime example is the "honorable" Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. Are you aware of how this man, voted at night on the latest illegal immigration bill?

I side with the founding fathers of our nation who forwarned us not to be complacent in our trust of government officials.

PS: Watch for subsequent "recoil flinching." Maintain your concentration on the sight picture, and do not be distracted!

silverlance
June 13, 2006, 10:07 PM
Anyone who has lived for more than a few days in Los Angeles (city), New York, New Delhi, Shanghai, London (urban), or Hong Kong will understand me when I say that it doesn't take a genius with a pee-ech-dee to realize that pollution is seriously f*ing up PEOPLE. Never mind the nebulous "environment", PEOPLE are being adversely affected each day.

I drive out of LA city each day. I can see, feel, smell, TASTE the drift of ozone and petrochemicals. And that's in a western city. Try beijing or shanghai for Chem Soup.

Global Warming or no, we must as a species find some way to exist without spewing toxins into our ecosystem. Wastes do not "dissapear" through osmosis, diffusion, evaporation, or absorption when released into the air/water/soil. They simply spread themselves out, saturate slowly.

Finally, we have a responsibility as animals living on this planet to our fellow critters, too; just because we happen to be top dog doesn't mean we should consider it acceptable Man expands at the cost of all else.

I'd like to live one day without paying for Gas; I'd love to have a solar car. I wouldn't mind having a speed limit of only 55mph. Heck, with all the money I'd save on fuel, I'd be able to buy a gas car and just keep it for the rare times I'd need a powerhorse.

I'd like to live without paying the lights bill; there's a heck of a lot of roof on my house, and sunlight's free. LCD tv, ground-insulated fridge, fluorescent lights. I should probably sleep more, anyway.

I'd like to live without gas heating. biomass fuel blocks could fuel a nice stove or oven, street-communal biomass fuel block heating. combustion could be trapped, tossed out. to tell the truth, we hardly even use heating. true, I live in cali right now where winter is only 32F at worst, but when I was growing up in NY i remember huddling in blankets for warmth - no heat then, either.

And I would really love to wake up each morning, walk outside, breathe deep, and say to myself - wow, that's nice, fresh, air.

And remember what it used to be like living in Los Angeles.

GoRon
June 13, 2006, 10:28 PM
And I would really love to wake up each morning, walk outside, breathe deep, and say to myself - wow, that's nice, fresh, air.

And remember what it used to be like living in Los Angeles.

The answer is to get rid of capitalism, liberty and return to first century standards of living.:neener:

Sindawe
June 13, 2006, 10:43 PM
The answer is to get rid of capitalism, liberty and return to first century standards of living.What a crock! You'd return the planets population to an age of deprivation and tyranny at the point of a sword? Geezzzz. The only REAL solution is to abandon metallurgy and all its related tech. We must return to our roots and again take up a paleolithic lifestyle.

Nothing hotter than a campfire. No tools beyond a hand ax! :neener:

I need to find a showing of Algore's movie, its been awhile since I've seen a good comedy. :evil:

Zen21Tao
June 13, 2006, 10:50 PM
Anyone who has lived for more than a few days in Los Angeles (city), New York, New Delhi, Shanghai, London (urban), or Hong Kong will understand me when I say that it doesn't take a genius with a pee-ech-dee to realize that pollution is seriously f*ing up PEOPLE. Never mind the nebulous "environment", PEOPLE are being adversely affected each day.

I drive out of LA city each day. I can see, feel, smell, TASTE the drift of ozone and petrochemicals. And that's in a western city. Try beijing or shanghai for Chem Soup.

That's not smog over those cities that's "smug." :D

(Warning: these clips contains profanity and may be offensive to some)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UlKatEDV1KE&search=south%20park%20smug

If you want to see the rest of the episode:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jqaVbAdvcQc&mode=related&search=south%20park%20smug
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P6w5WDlDN_s&mode=related&search=south%20park%20smug

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/1002/1002_thaaannks.jpg

Don Gwinn
June 13, 2006, 11:14 PM
No, seriously, this is way off topic.

the 22 junkie
June 13, 2006, 11:20 PM
[south park refrence]

Guys I really think he's super cereal this time! I mean it!

[/south park reference]

ArmedBear
June 13, 2006, 11:22 PM
Repeat after me. Michael Crighton writes..fiction. FICTION. F-I-C-T-I-O-N.

Do you get your tactical ideas from Steven Segal movies, too?

Have you ever read State of Fear, including the Afterword?

Have you ever read or heard Crichton's speeches and testimony?

Do you have any real education (e.g. college degree) in this stuff?

I can say "yes" to all three. And I'd suggest a perusal of Crichton's website. It's not fiction, it's a presentation of science for the lay reader, and it's some good stuff.

The problem with this stuff is the same as the problem with gun control research publications: politically-motivated people cherry-pick studies and ignore all the evidence that refutes or calls into question their findings. It's not off-topic at all, for those of us who see this strong parallel.

MechAg94
June 13, 2006, 11:25 PM
I'd like to live one day without paying for Gas; I'd love to have a solar car. I wouldn't mind having a speed limit of only 55mph. Heck, with all the money I'd save on fuel, I'd be able to buy a gas car and just keep it for the rare times I'd need a powerhorse.

I'd like to live without paying the lights bill; there's a heck of a lot of roof on my house, and sunlight's free. LCD tv, ground-insulated fridge, fluorescent lights. I should probably sleep more, anyway.

I'd like to live without gas heating. biomass fuel blocks could fuel a nice stove or oven, street-communal biomass fuel block heating. combustion could be trapped, tossed out. to tell the truth, we hardly even use heating. true, I live in cali right now where winter is only 32F at worst, but when I was growing up in NY i remember huddling in blankets for warmth - no heat then, either.

Okay, why don't you stop using gas and drive 55 MPH volluntarily. Then you can try to start a movement to influence people to choose that for themselves. Don't start trying to pass laws to take away my freedom to do whatever the hell I want.

How much pollution would burning "biomass fuel blocks" produce? It would produce a great deal more than using natural gas. It would produce a lot more than a natural gas fired power plant with govt mandated pollution controls. It would be almost as bad as everyone burning wood in fireplaces 24 hours a day.

Also, how much of that LA pollution is coming over from China?

I know you have dreams of this stuff, but think of where more modest environmental laws and capitalism have gotten us? Houston and LA are much nicer than they were 30 years ago. They will continue to get better. They won't get better if the leftists do everything they say they want to do.

offthepaper
June 13, 2006, 11:29 PM
"Gore to train 1,000 to spread word about climate"
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Brainwash would be a better term.:neener:

MechAg94
June 13, 2006, 11:31 PM
I read a short section in a military history book a while back on Hannibal's crossing of the Alps into Italy to attack Rome. There was a debate on which route he took to cross the Alps. Appently, there were 3 different passes. However, the author pointed out there was a cooling trend in that area of the world at the time. There was a great deal more ice and precipitation in the mountains. There was actually a lot more rain and such in Greece and Italy as well which suggested they had relatively more natural resources then than they do now. They weren't as arid as they are now. This meant that only the lower pass was open for Hannibal to get to Italy. The author also theorized that this was what forced many of the barbarian people's to move South and encroach upon Roman lands as much as they did.

Not directly related to Global Warming, but it is neat the things you read sometimes.

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