19,000 guns to be burned in Cleveland


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Drizzt
June 16, 2006, 04:54 AM
19,000 guns to be burned in Cleveland

Created: 6/15/2006 11:03:53 AM
Updated:6/15/2006 7:45:04 PM

CLEVELAND -- The city of Cleveland has started burning thousands of guns that have been resting on shelves for years.
Three hundred guns were thrown into a melting pot at the Mittal Steel plant Thursday morning.

The guns have been collected either from voluntary turn-ins or as the result of police investigations or arrests.

Mayor Frank Jackson said each gun taken off the streets makes the city safer.

"And safety is key not just in terms of controlling crime," Jackson said. "But it also helps prevent young people from getting their hands on a gun and hurting themselves or someone else."

Cleveland plans to melt 19,000 guns in the coming months. The city last held a gun burn five years ago.

Cleveland is also providing free gun locks to people who show their gun registration. They are available through the police department.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=53590

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Vex
June 16, 2006, 05:05 AM
Cleveland is also providing free gun locks to people who show their gun registration.

Don't they have to give these away even if someone doesn't want to show registration? Sounds like a registration scheme to me....
:scrutiny:

Phantom Warrior
June 16, 2006, 05:09 AM
Thanks for starting my morning off w/ something truely depressing. Fricking Cleveland.

sterling180
June 16, 2006, 05:14 AM
CLEVELAND -- The city of Cleveland has started burning thousands of guns that have been resting on shelves for years.
Three hundred guns were thrown into a melting pot at the Mittal Steel plant Thursday morning.

The guns have been collected either from voluntary turn-ins or as the result of police investigations or arrests.

Mayor Frank Jackson said each gun taken off the streets makes the city safer.

"And safety is key not just in terms of controlling crime," Jackson said. "But it also helps prevent young people from getting their hands on a gun and hurting themselves or someone else."

Cleveland plans to melt 19,000 guns in the coming months. The city last held a gun burn five years ago.

Cleveland is also providing free gun locks to people who show their gun registration. They are available through the police department.

Well,this incident was similar to the UK approach,after our two main,gun massacres-but with the exeption of melting down guns,that had been on the shelf-for many years.(Only if they wern't classed as illegal weapons,after the bans.)

In saying that the weapons that were made illegal by the UK government were; either melted down,crushed,sold to museams(If they were considered too good,rare or historically important to destroy.)or even deactivated-if the owner still wanted to keep them.

The GCN and Mothers Against Guns,antis basically cheered and said nasty,untrue and inaccurate facts about shooting-sports,publically and on their website-as well.

If Cleveland Ohio,isn't careful,by electing the wrong local-government officials,in the near future-then it will share the same fate as the former-county in the UK-that it was named after.

Dacoda
June 16, 2006, 06:12 AM
wow phantom... 911 posts. to this day I can't stop seeing that number everywhere... I'll wake up in the morning, look at the alarm clock... 9:11. at night... for some odd reason, look at my watch (after not looking at it for HOURS) 9:11. I see the number everywhere.

LAK
June 16, 2006, 06:54 AM
Yet another example of institionalized criminal waste - and another politician lying to advance an agenda.

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Maser
June 16, 2006, 07:05 AM
Why do the guns have to be destroyed? Why can't they just be used as evidence to convict the criminal who used the gun in a crime and then have the gun sold to FFL holders? Just seems like such a waste. There's lots of very expensive custom guns that were handmade and were stolen by criminals and used in crimes and yet them types of guns are being destroyed? I know if I was the manufacturer of that firearm I would have been mad as heck having a piece of my art burned for no good reason. :cuss:

Hey!! As an off-topic statement. I just hit 100 posts. :D

foghornl
June 16, 2006, 08:51 AM
Hizzoner the Mayor Frank Jackson is well....another Democrat/Socialist.

Hates all things of personal responsibility, blames inanimate objects.






"Yes, officer, that tree jumped out of the forest and bit my car"***

***Stolen from an old Bill Cosby stand-up comedy routine.

Geno
June 16, 2006, 09:16 AM
Recently there was a psychologist speaking of the fanatics who want guns banned, saying that they are bad, evil, etc. According to him, and according to some female psychologist, it is projection of repressed violent tendencies. These people fear that THEY would due such acts, and so to make peace with their own evil propensities, they seek to ban others from having that which, they themselves, would use violently.

Seems to me, the city could have made a lot of money, say for the sake of argument, charge $100.00 per firearm, and $25.00 transfer fee. That comes to a nice $2,375,000.00!

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid! :barf:

In addition, they would have needed to contract someone to clean the firearms, test fire them and log the sale. I see it as also having employed at minimum 3 people for a VERY protracted period of time.

Guns to do NOT REPEAT CRIME--people do.

Doc2005

ball3006
June 16, 2006, 11:10 AM
attempt at registration too. You had to go to a police station and tell them what kind of gun you had to get your free lock. No one went to pick them up. Now, the locks are handed out free when you leave gunshows in this area..........I have several dozen, now.......chris3

50 Shooter
June 16, 2006, 11:17 AM
If you think that's bad, here's what getting destroyed in Iraq.:(

http://www.1919a4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899

quazi
June 16, 2006, 11:24 AM
These threads always ruin my day.

cuchulainn
June 16, 2006, 11:27 AM
Like the rest of you, I'd rather the guns get sold to me a discount price.

But the cops are painted into a corner -- they can't re-sell the guns without looking like they're <gasp> putting the eeevil guns back on the street.

What perplexes me is the bit about having to show a gun registration to get a free gun lock -- If the purpose is to save children, why put an administrative barrier in front of that? Does Ohio/Cleveland register long guns? If not, what if Joe Citizen wants a lock for his Mossy?

Henry Bowman
June 16, 2006, 12:06 PM
The silver lining is that this strengthens the "gun industry" portion of our "gun culture" in America. New guns will be produced instead of these used guns being put back into the market.

I'm sure that they do the same with "crime cars" or "crime clothes.":rolleyes:

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
June 16, 2006, 12:13 PM
I love the fact that a gun can change hands dozens of times before it's been used to threaten, rob, carjack or shoot someone, but it needs to be destroyed.

Why not just burn the people who commit the crime?

Pilgrim
June 16, 2006, 01:00 PM
Cleveland plans to melt 19,000 guns in the coming months. The city last held a gun burn five years ago.

Mayor Frank Jackson said each gun taken off the streets makes the city safer.
So, by Mayor Jackson's reasoning the murder rate in Cleveland would have been 3,800 per year without the gun burnings.

I'm sure the early churches felt the same way about witch and heretic burnings.

Pilgrim

lance22
June 16, 2006, 01:12 PM
The goverment will always make sure it is well armed. The slave minded liberals, who see themselves as wards of the state, will happily surrender whatever recourse they have to opression. :fire:

Thefabulousfink
June 16, 2006, 01:20 PM
Around my neck O' the woods, we learned a long time ago that wood or coal burns a lot better and keeps you warmer than burning steel. I though that you city-folk back East were supposed to be educated:neener:

MD_Willington
June 16, 2006, 01:26 PM
I wonder where that steel will end up, hopefully the steel will go into a DDX or something similar, but most likely it will end up as some trinket :rolleyes:

xMetal
June 16, 2006, 01:41 PM
I wonder where that steel will end up, hopefully the steel will go into a DDX or something similar, but most likely it will end up as some trinket

More likely that they'll end up as steel beams in the construction of more section 8 housing...

Wes Janson
June 16, 2006, 03:11 PM
History lost, every day...you can only imagine how many millions of dollars of collectors items are lost in those butcher programs.

Tread1
June 16, 2006, 03:24 PM
Does Ohio/Cleveland register long guns? If not, what if Joe Citizen wants a lock for his Mossy

Ohio no Cleveland yes. Also no "assault weapons" in Clevesburg,that is one screwed up city.

jcb
June 16, 2006, 04:21 PM
Yes, it concerns me that many collectable guns will be lost. The good news is that they are making new ones every day. This is good for the economy. Find some solace in that.

Deanimator
June 16, 2006, 04:41 PM
Seems to me, the city could have made a lot of money, say for the sake of argument, charge $100.00 per firearm, and $25.00 transfer fee. That comes to a nice $2,375,000.00!

I mentioned to my boss that if they'd sold them for $300/ea., they could have bought every cop in Cuyahoga County a ballistic vest.

Of course compared to Chicago, Cleveland is Peshawar, Pakistan with every other house on each block a gunsmith's shop!

And out in the suburbs where I live, it's gunowner heaven.

benEzra
June 16, 2006, 04:43 PM
Reminds me of another idealogically motivated burning...people gathering around to burn books.

just one question
June 16, 2006, 04:46 PM
I guarantee all the good ones will end up in a cops collection:rolleyes: . (I am not anti leo, but I do believe that happens)

CSA 357
June 17, 2006, 03:36 PM
now that is sad!!!!!:barf: :barf:

JERRY
June 17, 2006, 04:45 PM
i am from Cleveland, and i am ashamed to say you will find more headlines about civil rights under the 2nd Amndt. being trampled in Cleveland than ones being supported.

when i lived there i carried a gun EVERYWHERE by cover of my Badge. i loved my town.......

but now, as an outsider, i can carry in so few places that it makes it useless to do so and going back to Cleveland even just to visit is a fleeting dream.....

yhtomit
June 17, 2006, 05:48 PM
"Mayor Frank Jackson said each gun taken off the streets makes the city safer."

Look, you may not want to admit this, but he's right: getting guns off the streets *does* make cities safer, and not just cities, but highways and even rural bypasses.

Case in point: in the early 90s, driving south after a vacation on Cape Cod, a tractor trailer suffered a blow-out along a crowded stretch of I-95 just as I was passing it; I was unlucky enough to hit some of the debris from his tire (or perhaps a piece of someone else's jetsam that had caused his blowout in the first place), and lost a tire to it. Saw it shoot out in front of me, had not time to avoid. Amazing but true: the Saab 900 I was driving not only kept driving for the little while it took to safely pull right onto the shoulder, but did so with aplomb. With three passengers (plus me driving), we *did not know* that the tire was reduced to shreds; we thought it might have picked up a piece of debris and was dragging it around, making a "funny noise." Oh, no. There was no longer anything to call a tire there.

What if (and this is why I'm supporting the mayor of Cleveland) instead of random road trash it had been an AK, or even a "Saturday Night Special," that I'd rolled over, instead? The results would probably have been nearly as bad: *any* gun on the street is bad news for drivers, even though as torture testing for many brands (Glock, Sig, Springfield, CZ) has shown, it might not be so bad for the guns.

However, it would be fitting, the next time a Cleveland street is so littered with guns as to present more than a passing danger simply by existing, that a call be placed on sites such as this one, so that good citizens can relieve the city's taxpayers of the burden of getting all those guns off the street.

timothy

JERRY
June 17, 2006, 06:01 PM
hardy har-har.........:)

CSA 357
June 17, 2006, 06:14 PM
all i want to know is how many colts, smith&wessons and brownings they burn? ................i think i know the answer allready!:confused:

amprecon
June 17, 2006, 06:42 PM
It is bewildering to me to see how these politicians act regarding guns. It does bother me that such fine creations of man are being destroyed when they could be refurbished and put back into working order and used and sold to create debt reducing income.
However, those politicians feel they will better fit into what they believe is the status quo by acting out their misguided beliefs.
It is rather absurd to destroy weapons, it's akin to running around stomping out camp fires. Sure stomp out the fire, but the gentlemen who created the fire will find an idiot-free place (hard to find and very temporary) and build another fire to his liking.
My point is that yes, the fires can be put out, but until they remove the ability to remember how to make things, the things made that "they" fear will never be destroyed, they will simply find an idiot-free place and make more.

pharmer
June 17, 2006, 06:44 PM
If I'm not mistaken Mittal is a French steel company. It figures, Joe

American By Blood
June 17, 2006, 07:19 PM
Where they burn books, they're probably gonna burn people.

Where they burn guns... hoo yeah, baby... fire up the ovens.

The common man's will to bondage would be shocking were it not so... well... common.

Diomed
June 18, 2006, 12:20 AM
If I'm not mistaken Mittal is a French steel company.

I believe Mittal is Indian-owned now.

evan price
June 19, 2006, 02:54 AM
Once again, y'all are rending your garments and beating your breasts over guns you A: Never owned B: Never saw C: Never touched D: Never had a chance of owning in the first place.
So what if they are destroyed? That just makes ours worth that much more.

Again, Guns are Objects, created of fire and dirt, returned from whence they came.

BTW- Any firearm with a damaged/obliterated serial number or modified illegally (Sawed off, full-auto-converted, etc) HAS to be destroyed. Ask BATFE.

And probably, since the alloy will be unknown, melted guns will be mixed with general scrap and turned into rebar or some other kind of low grade material. And if there's a large quantity of Ring of Fire guns they will have to keep skimming the dross off of the pot since the potmetal just spoils the batch.

rangerruck
June 19, 2006, 03:02 AM
what a shame, and what an idiot.

Soybomb
June 19, 2006, 05:50 AM
Once again, y'all are rending your garments and beating your breasts over guns you A: Never owned B: Never saw C: Never touched D: Never had a chance of owning in the first place.
So what if they are destroyed? That just makes ours worth that much more.
It would irritate me as a taxpayer to see money squandered in such a fashion by turning it into a much less valuable product than it was initially. Its like selling military surplus to recover some money instead of burning it for heat.

Nashmack
June 19, 2006, 11:16 AM
Someone should really give Sarah Brady a photo op right in front of the doors to that furnace, and make sure she trips and falls in.

Ukraine Train
June 19, 2006, 07:32 PM
Does Cleveland proper have gun registration?? I've lived in the 'burbs for a long time and this is the first I've heard of any registration here.

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