Do you ever get silly requests from non-gun owners?


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EddieCoyle
June 16, 2006, 11:04 AM
I live in Mass. and I love to shoot. I'm not a hunter, I'm a shooter. I'm the rangemaster at my local club - which basically means I that build target stands, rake a lot, and empty the trash barrels. Did I also mention that I shoot a lot?

Massachusetts is what you might call an anti-gun state. I find that many people here are anti-gun more due to ignorance than to political conviction. I try to do my part to change this. My family, friends, co-workers, and neighbors know that I own guns, and that I do a lot of shooting. Whenever somebody shows interest or ignorance, I try to educate them and offer to take them shooting. Many have taken me up on this offer, and have come away more pro-gun than when they started.

While I can't say that I've converted any rabid anti-gunners, I have swung some fence-sitters over to our side, and turned some casual gun owners into active shooters - both politically and at the range.

However, a couple of recent events have shown me the downside of being known as a "gun guy".

Here's one:
An aquaintance and a few of his friends were attending an event in what he considered to be a bad part of a bad town. He asked if I would come along and bring my "heater". I told him that I was going to pass, that I'm not a bodyguard, and that if he felt unsafe, he should either not go, or arm himself. He was a bit put off by this, and said that if I had asked him to do it for me, that he would. I told him that I would never ask someone to do that for me.

Here's another:
My neighbor has skunks in his yard and he's afraid that they will spray his dog. He said to me, "You're a gun guy, will you shoot them for me?" I explained to him that it was illegal to discharge a firearm within 500' of occupied dwellings without permission of the owners (we live in a residential neighborhood) and that even if he cleared it with the entire neighborhood I still wouldn't do it because I'd prefer to keep my gun permit. He suggested that if I waited until a skunk was about to spray me, I could claim self- defense. :banghead:

I declined, suggesting that he should instead keep "Barky" in at night, or spread grub killer on his lawn to remove the skunks' food source. Besides, I like skunks.


Does anybody else get these types of absurd (and sometimes dangerous) requests from non-gun owners? It reminds me of when I used to own a pickup truck and every distant relative or friend-of-a-friend would ask me to move something virtually every weekend.

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rbernie
June 16, 2006, 11:14 AM
It happens. For me, it's either the request to be a bodyguard to some family member in extemis or a 'go shoot something that I want to eat' kind of thing.

I don't get too upset with these sorts of things, because I figure that (as ridiculous as some of the requests are) at least they give me opportunities to prove to others that firearms are simply useful tools.

veloce851
June 16, 2006, 11:20 AM
he he, now you know what it's like to be known as the "computer guy" :D

I've had the bodyguard request made. I declined as well. I told them they couldn't afford me.
In hindsight I should have made the arm yourself statement.

TallPine
June 16, 2006, 11:22 AM
I guess I miss out on a lot because to my knowledge I don't know any non-gunowners or anti-gun people ;)

It reminds me of when I used to own a pickup truck and every distant relative or friend-of-a-friend would ask me to move something virtually every weekend.
Yeah, and in the same breath they criticize you for owning a "gas-guzzler" :rolleyes:

I still own a pickup, but nowadays I don't really know anybody who doesn't own a pickup (or 2 or 3 :) ) so it's not a problem anymore.

just one question
June 16, 2006, 11:27 AM
I think you guys exaggerate the stuff you take from non gun owners. If they ask "why do you have that, they are dangerous" I just say It's fun and safe if you follow the rules, I'm not forcing you to own one why force me not too? (not word for word, but something like that)


Hasn't failed yet, usually ends the conversation though.

carterbeauford
June 16, 2006, 11:39 AM
Yeah, my 2A-friendly, yet non-gun-owning girlfriend said "put that thing away before my mom sees it" on a recent vacation, referring to my X2-equipped PT145 laying on the table. I guess the X2 makes it look especially intimidating. I said "your mother has no need to be afraid of inanimate objects." :rolleyes:

creampuff
June 16, 2006, 11:41 AM
Most of my requests are from co-workers who tongue-in-cheek, request that I "kill someone", that happens to be annoying him/her that day. I usually just brush off their comments, and think to myself that I am glad that I am the responsible gun owner and not them. :)

The-Fly
June 16, 2006, 11:44 AM
i've only gotten the body guard request once, and i decided to do it for the person asking, simply because the person asking is vision impaired (and a good friend) and isn't capable of using a firearm or really defending themselves with any real degree of ability.

Fortunately the situation worked out to be a non event.

Justin
June 16, 2006, 11:50 AM
I once had a female acquaintance ask if I would lend her a couple of handguns so she could use them for a Halloween party. Evidently she was planning to go as Trinity from The Matrix.

I politely declined.

just one question
June 16, 2006, 11:54 AM
I want to see some one try and top that:o

Frandy
June 16, 2006, 11:55 AM
Great post. Sheesh...

No, I can't say that someone I know has ever made such ignorant requests of me.

However, my dearest and best male friend owns no guns and prefers to avoid them. When I got my Garand, I showed it to him. He did say, "Wow!," but then placed it on his shoulder and marched back and forth, turning around every few steps. He looked like Benny Hill, real silly, actually like a child.

That's when it hit me that Bob, like so many others who shun firearms, have a kind of stunted growth, a psychological immaturity about guns, just like most of us who probably draw stick figures when we try to draw people. Either no one ever taught us, or we never made the effort to get past that level of awareness and skill. Of course, firearm ignorance is far more dangerous than not being able to draw pictures. Far more dangerous.

I think schools should teach kids how to swim and how to shoot. :D

Bubbles
June 16, 2006, 12:25 PM
Periodically coworkers will ask me to go get one of my guns so that they can shoot their computers... :D

For those of you in the DC metro area, remember the "tractorman" incident a few years ago? It tied up commuters in NoVA for two days. My boss called in, told me to go home, get my rifle, and "shoot the b*stard" so that she could get to work.

The scary thing is that I think she was serious... :what:

Daniel T
June 16, 2006, 12:52 PM
he he, now you know what it's like to be known as the "computer guy"

You got that right. Being the gun guy and the computer guy makes me give these kind of looks a lot: :scrutiny:

Zen21Tao
June 16, 2006, 12:58 PM
YES.

Last semester a fellow classmate that knew I was a gun owner asked me if I would let him use some of my guns at his place (with me there) to make a short film for a project. He wanted to do a shootout scene with blanks and fake blood. :what: :eek: :uhoh:

Devonai
June 16, 2006, 01:12 PM
When I was an armed courier I would occasionally field questions or comments from my customers. Since I was in plainclothes it didn't come up often, but one situation made me realized that some of the customers may not have known I was armed at all.

I was making a pickup in Boston, and one employee asked me what kind of weapon I carried. His co-worker, a woman that I'd been taking the daily depost from for two years said, "Oh my God, you carry a gun?" I replied yes, I do. She said, "It's scary to think there are people out there carrying guns under their clothes." I replied that the really scary thing is that most of them in Boston don't have permits, have no respect for human life, and that the only rational response is to get a license and carry a firearm of your own.

The look on her face was priceless.

RaetherEnt
June 16, 2006, 01:16 PM
I can't say I have had any of these problems yet, however, I HAVE been dreaming that someone will call me up one day and say...

"I've got this damn 14 point buck in my orchard out at the farm that keeps eating all the apples off the tree. Could you come take care of it for me?"

OR

"This whole damn flock of Turkey wake me up every morning at the farm. Think you could come over and thin them out a bit?"

Of course, every time I load up the car and head down the road? I wake up.
UGGGHHHH!!!

Carl N. Brown
June 16, 2006, 01:18 PM
Most of my requests are from co-workers who tongue-in-cheek, request that I "kill someone",
I would be tempted to get that "someone", build a fake wound with
mortician's wax, spead some ketchup, take some pictures, then give
the pictures to the co-worker with a "Mission accomplished" smirk.

EddieCoyle
June 16, 2006, 01:41 PM
I once had a female acquaintance ask if I would lend her a couple of handguns so she could use them for a Halloween party. Evidently she was planning to go as Trinity from The Matrix.

You should've said, "Sure, then next year I'll be going as Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke."

dhoomonyou
June 16, 2006, 02:11 PM
A married couple I know were having an argument (verbal) the wife turns to me to ask for a gun so she can "shoot her husband in the foot".
My answer of course was NO.

During the Hurricanes in Florida in 2004 I got a few calls from "friends" asking to
"borrow" a gun during the storm. Once again my answer was NO.

Starter52
June 16, 2006, 02:38 PM
That "computer guy" comment was great. I'm still laughing. :evil:

psyopspec
June 16, 2006, 03:00 PM
Do you ever get silly requests from non-gun owners?

My roommate requested that I take him shooting yesterday if he did the dishes. I can't believe the nerve some people have...

AJ Dual
June 16, 2006, 03:06 PM
A few years back I get an e-mail out of the blue from an old friend/roomate asking to borrow one of my handguns, and this was after I hadn't heard from him for over a year...

He's a "nice guy", the goofy and hapless lover-not-a-fighter sort, so I at least I doubted he had criminal intent. The biggest vice I knew he had was that in his late-teens/early twenties, he liked dating and living with divorced 30-something single mothers. Nothing "wrong" with that but it was still a bit :scrutiny: for me and the rest of my social circle…

When we were rooming together, he was inspired by my gun collection enough to buy himself a Ruger 10/22 on my reccomendation as a "first gun", and I took him shooting a few times.

He demonstrated reasonably safe gun-handling around me, but he was an awful shot, even at 15 yards with a rifle. Nothing I tried could help him. I later found out he had perscription eye-wear, but was too vain to wear it. (Even though he was wearing shooting glasses anyway...)

So I never offered to take him shooting again...

So while I was confident he had no bad intent, I just knew he wanted to borrow one of my handguns for a really, really stupid reason.

On a hunch, I looked him up on the Wisconsin Circuit Court system, and found he'd been arraigned on charges of "Reckless Endangerment of Children".... So I strung him along, demanding details.

That's when the whole sordid tale came out.

He was living with his current girlfriend, a divorced 30-something ten years older than he, with two kids. (Surprise!). He was having a sleepless night, so about 3:00am he gets a wild hair up his arse to clean his 10/22, while sitting on the bed next to his sleeping girlfriend.

Of course, its loaded, and he had no idea. He ND's a .22 into the ceiling of the bedroom, and it scares him so badly, be bump-fires three more right after it. Up through the cieling into the room where her kids are sleeping upstairs…

The kids are fine, thankfully, although the .22's penetrated all the way into the attic… She's obviously rather P.O.'ed, but still being in the "honeymoon" phase, and posessed with the level of required judgment to have him as a boyfriend in the first place, forgives him. The kids are sworn to secrecy.

Of course the kids tell Dad on their next visitation, and he, being rather P.O'ed at being divorced, and his wife sleeping with my 10-year-younger ex-roomie, runs it all the way up the flagpole to the police, the DA, and Child Protective Services. (Can't say I blame him...)

So now my "friend" is in court with a public defender, and staring some serious charges in the face.

He wants to borrow one of my handguns so he can drive to Illinois to take a "Basic Gun Safety" class at the first gun store within 100 miles of Milwaukee that had one scheduled before his court-date. His theroy being he could show his remedial education to the court before he goes to trial. As if that would impress the judge, LOL…

I told him no. Not that there was Powerball lotto's millionaire's martini ice cube's chance in hell the answer would have been yes for whatever reason he could come up with.

I followed his case on the website, and luckily for him it got plead down to some kind of misdemeanor "Unlawful discharge of firearms within city limits" sort of thing, and he got probation...

mp510
June 16, 2006, 03:13 PM
I once had somebody in the neighborhood come up and ask me if I could tell them how much a black market "silenced 9mm" would cost, and where they could get one for $20,000. :banghead:
I pretty much dismissed their question.

XDKingslayer
June 16, 2006, 03:18 PM
he he, now you know what it's like to be known as the "computer guy"

Amen brother. Sometimes I wish someone would ask me to shoot something just for the change of pace.

Cromlech
June 16, 2006, 03:24 PM
I once had somebody in the neighborhood come up and ask me if I could tell them how much a black market "silenced 9mm" would cost, and where they could get one for $20,000.

You should have sold him a second hand Glock with part of a bicycles handlebars stuck on the end. :D

Vern Humphrey
June 16, 2006, 03:46 PM
An aquaintance and a few of his friends were attending an event in what he considered to be a bad part of a bad town. He asked if I would come along and bring my "heater". I told him that I was going to pass, that I'm not a bodyguard, and that if he felt unsafe, he should either not go, or arm himself. He was a bit put off by this, and said that if I had asked him to do it for me, that he would.

The proper reply is, "In that case, I'll go with you -- but you bring the gun and protect the rest of us."

psyopspec
June 16, 2006, 03:49 PM
You should have sold him a second hand Glock with part of a bicycles handlebars stuck on the end.

That reminded of the quote from Doctor Emmit Brown 'The Libyans wanted me to build them a nuclear weapon, so I gave them a bomb casing stuffed with used pinball machine parts!'

AJ Dual
June 16, 2006, 03:57 PM
I forgot to add, that after my incident with my ex-roomie, I saw those "Zebra" plastic Walther PPK look-alikes that shoot those little plastic balls in the kiddie trap at the local indie mom-n-pop supermarket.

It kind of wowed me as I hadn't seen such un-PC toys in the candy/kiddy trap asile since I was a boy.

So I bought a pair just in case anyone asks me to borrow a gun again, I'm going to give them the Zebra...

unspellable
June 16, 2006, 04:04 PM
Not so silly a request maybe, but my wife who owns no firearms herself, every now and then asks me to go out and shoot a deer. She couldn't bear to shoot one herself but she's VERY fond of venison. Also the dog has allergy problems and is on a venison diet.

Pickpocket
June 16, 2006, 04:12 PM
My wife is the only one who knows I carry - I try to casually dodge the question if I'm asked directly "do you carry". Works so far - even if someone suspects, they haven't gotten it from me :)

Vern Humphrey
June 16, 2006, 04:28 PM
Not so silly a request maybe, but my wife who owns no firearms herself, every now and then asks me to go out and shoot a deer. She couldn't bear to shoot one herself but she's VERY fond of venison.

Way back when I was a boy living on the ranch, my mother would buy hundreds of aluminium foil "TV dinner" trays. When harvest time came, we'd go to pick-it-yourself neighbors and pick corn, beans, and so on. And she'd say, "Boys, I need a deer," and we go out to shoot and butcher one for her.

Then she'd go on a week-long cooking orgy. We had a freezer the size of the Queen Mary, and she'd fill it with TV dinners.

Then in the evenings she'd say, "Are you boys hungry?"

"Yes, Ma'am, we are."

"Well, you know where the freezer is.":D

Xigris
June 16, 2006, 04:29 PM
A co-worker, who has always been vocally anti-gun, once asked me to come to his house and shoot the flying squirrels that were driving him crazy by getting into the walls of his bedroom and making noise all night long. I declined, telling him that I didn't want to shoot up his house, and that "Rocky & Bullwinkle" was my favorite cartoon.

Azrael256
June 16, 2006, 05:14 PM
Being the gun guy and the computer guy makes me give these kind of looks a lot That's nothing. Add in being able to fix cars, build fences, and train dogs, and your phone never stops ringing. This is all compounded by the fact that I'm dashing, handsome, and charming. Life is tough.

I don't think I've ever been asked to pull bodyguard duty just because I'm armed. I won't escort someone to a bad part of town unless they have a good reason to be there, but if they do, that's what friends are for. I have been asked to do it a couple of times (typically spending a night or two on the couch) because of unstable ex-boyfriends or exceptionally undesirable elements in the neighborhood causing trouble. In most of those cases, however, the protectee (jeez, I sound like a Marshal) owned a gun of their own and was hoping that my very presence would quickly defuse the situation. In the two cases where the offending person did show up, having a couple of us big, mean-looking guys around did end the situation without violence or the threat thereof.

You do have to be careful. It's fine to want to help out your friends, but I have turned down a few such gigs because I knew the situation had a good probability of deteriorating faster than I could deal with it. In one case, someone called me when the police had already arrived. Sometimes it's okay to ride to the rescue, but when it's already going down (or is just about to), it's best left to the police.

Kurush
June 16, 2006, 05:18 PM
I co-worker, who has always been vocally anti-gun, once asked me to come to his house and shoot the flying squirrels that were driving him crazy by getting into the walls of his bedroom and making noise all night long.
So basically an anti-gun liberal asked you to shoot an endangered species. That's priceless, really :D

sterling180
June 16, 2006, 05:27 PM
Iv'e had requests for AK47s from Eastern Europe,from some stupid morons that I had the misfortune of knowing.I told them that I wasn't an arms dealer and that they were immature and stupid,to even ask for such weapons.Then they started to threaten me and I told them,that I knew crazy people that owned them and who were as mad as the guys at Hungerford and Dunblane.So they ran away from me and that statement put them off guns completely.

I also told them that they wear combats and sleep with them,in their beds at night.Oh boy,the things some people actually believe.:)

It was almost like watching a combination of the movie 'snatch and the kids tv programme Chucklevision.hahaha:) :) :)

CajunBass
June 16, 2006, 05:40 PM
I've had a couple of neighbors ask me to shoot snakes in their yards, but that's about it. It was a long time ago, I was younger. Now I'd just tell them to leave the snake alone, and it'll leave when it's ready.

zoom6zoom
June 16, 2006, 06:07 PM
This is all compounded by the fact that I'm dashing, handsome, and charming.

You left out "humble".

BullfrogKen
June 16, 2006, 06:34 PM
I had a young, very attractive girl ask me to "come over to her place to make her feel safe," one night. Story was she went on a second or third date with a guy and she ended it early because he made her feel uncomfortable. She wanted me to come over for a while just in case he stopped back.

I stopped over.

It was a farce.


She was horny, and he turned out to be a dork of a date.

Dravur
June 16, 2006, 06:47 PM
I'm a computer guy AND a gun guy. I get it from all side....

The best one is....Can you come over and shoot my PC?...

Also, if someone wants you to be their bodyguard, look them straight in the eye and demand an MPK in a shoulder rig, Ammo and a Throw-down gun, like an RG 14. Also, tell him you get to keep all equipment assigned.

Then tell him the price....

MechAg94
June 16, 2006, 10:41 PM
I stopped over.

It was a farce.


She was horny, and he turned out to be a dork of a date.
I hate it when that happens. :D :D


Agreeing to help with protection would all depend on who it was and how good a friend they are. My family or other good friends I think I would go ahead and help out. I think some ground rules would be in order outside my family though.

Professor Gun
June 16, 2006, 10:52 PM
The local paper had a feature in the Outdoors section on handgun hunting. I was interviewed and the writer included a photo of me shooting at the range in his article. An idiot neighbor saw it and the next time I was doing yard work came over to tell me the next time someone tried to break in (apparently something like this had happened to him) he would call me because I was closer than the police. When I realized he was serious, I told him my response time would be a lot longer, like never.

shooter94
June 16, 2006, 11:25 PM
I avoid people like that...and generally keep my mouth shut about my firearms. You never know who's interested and why...

joe4702
June 16, 2006, 11:41 PM
By far the most common question: "How many do you own"?

Other things I sometimes hear:

- "Don't make Joe mad - he might shoot someone" followed by
nervous laughter. One guy I use to work with told me he
dreamed I was chasing him around the office trying to shoot him.
Talk about being brainwashed by the media.

- "Hey Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?" sung
to the Jimmy Hendrix tune.

When I first moved to CA, I kept pretty quiet about being a gun
owner. Now I don't try to hide it. However, I'm not "in your face"
about it and always offer to take folks shooting if they ask about guns.
Have taken maybe 15 first timers over the years, all had a good time,
2 bought their own guns. However if certain sheeple have bad dreams
after finding out I own guns,too bad.

Pickpocket
June 16, 2006, 11:49 PM
I had a young, very attractive girl ask me to "come over to her place to make her feel safe," one night. Story was she went on a second or third date with a guy and she ended it early because he made her feel uncomfortable. She wanted me to come over for a while just in case he stopped back.

I stopped over.

It was a farce.


She was horny, and he turned out to be a dork of a date.

I think I read that same story in a certain magazine.... :scrutiny:

mmike87
June 17, 2006, 10:03 AM
I take folks to the range and let them use ny guns - half of them don't want to buy their own ammo. They want me to not only supply the guns, bring them to the range on my membership, but go and buy and pay for their ammo too.

Justin
June 17, 2006, 10:30 AM
When introducing newbies for the first time, I always let them shoot my ammo for free.

readyfire
June 17, 2006, 10:40 AM
I always get the "Man if things ever go bad i know who to call"I usually respond with dont call me your the one that said you have no need for a gun and your not gettin mine!

Chris Rhines
June 17, 2006, 10:53 AM
An aquaintance and a few of his friends were attending an event in what he considered to be a bad part of a bad town. He asked if I would come along and bring my "heater". "Sure, I don't have any other work shaping up this evening. I charge $1500 per day for protective work, up front. Cash or check?" :D

- Chris

rangerruck
June 17, 2006, 11:10 AM
i have a girl who is a friend of mine , that was recently threatened by a former friend of her's, friend. she told me about this, and I told her i would take her shooting, happeining tommorrow, and I would take her to my gunsmith to get a revolver. this , she has been waiting on with excitement, she has never even held a gun before. However, when i brought her a gift of ear plugs , and shooter glasses, she says to me, " just dont turn me into a gunnut like you!" I said , "it has nothing to do with me, you will either like them or you wont really care either way."

XLMiguel
June 17, 2006, 11:16 AM
Following a warm burglary in the neighborhood a couple years ago, I had two neighbors ask to borrow guns. I declined but offered to take them shooting and hook them up with training (I live all of 15 minutes from the NRA range). No takers.

I've also had neighbors say that they're going to call me rather than 9-1-1 'cuz 'I'lll get there faster'. I told them I don't clear houses and please call 9-1-1, but feel free to wait at my place till the constabulary arrives

TallPine
June 17, 2006, 11:16 AM
OTOH, I have on a couple of occasions actually offered my help - "if you ever have a problem, call me since I'm right next door and the sheriff is 25 miles away"

The first was to our dear former neighbors - he worked as a truck driver and she was home alone a lot (and we used to have another neighbor who was a problem:uhoh: ).

The other offer was to the 85 year old WW2 marine vet who moved in about a year ago. He reciprocated the offer:) Honestly, he might be a lot slower than me, but he is a lot bigger and tougher ;)

armoredman
June 17, 2006, 11:23 AM
When I did amored trucking, I used to get some stupid comments, usually mostly money related, (Hey, my truck is right there! Need help carrying that?), but once in a while a gun related one. One kid told me to my face that he KNEW we weren't allowed to carry loaded guns. I showed him one of the spare magazines, and he hushed right up. Another lady had seen me come in for weeks before she noticed, (talk about LACK of observation skills!), that I was carrying my Witness 40 in a duty rig. She almost screamed, "You'v'e got a gun?" My jaw dropped, and I looked at her, and asked, "You expect me to do this job unarmed?" Naturally she had no answer to that...
The worst was when I was a warehouse manager for a medical supplies company, and the owner was 2A friendly, so we carried at work, no problem. At a tuesday morning meeting, the owner's son's girlfriend, employed in some fluff position, asked me, with a straight face, and serious tone, (why, yes, she is a blonde, why do you ask?), "When you go postal, would you please not shoot me?" I assured her I had no intentions of "going postal". I left that place not to long afterwards...

Ryder
June 17, 2006, 01:43 PM
Only one strange request that I can recall. A freind asked to borrow my shotgun as protection for breaking into his parent's home. Said he wanted to retreive something that belonged to him. I didn't loan him my shotgun but I did attend his funeral a few days later.

orionengnr
June 17, 2006, 06:45 PM
maybe this thread should be a "stickie"

as evidence of the on-going stupidity of the average non-gun owner.

gunsmith
June 17, 2006, 06:55 PM
When a woman in a SUV with CA plates gave me the finger for having to get into the right hand lane to pass her because she was doing 30 in a 45.
I waved hello and smiled after her salute, my "friend" (a D anti gun Gore/Kerry guy) wanted me to point my Glock model 22 @ her!:banghead:

Kurt S.
June 17, 2006, 07:18 PM
Fairly similar experiences here. I have a relative (by marriage) who owns a few guns, a bubba-zed Enfield, a Winchester 1200, a bolt .22, and a S&W M10, all from his dad. He doesn't carry, as a matter of fact doesn't even shoot or hunt, but seems to think that my Texas CHL is a bodyguard license. (I don't broadcast the fact that I have one but I don't evade or hide it either, YMMV. Whatever works for you.)

And I have had a few joking (yeah, real funny :fire: ) requests to either shoot somebody, borrow a gun to shoot somebody, or brandish at a road rager. And guess what? Every swingin' time it was from an anti gun type- and they're on both sides of the political spectrum, my good folks.

U.S.SFC_RET
June 17, 2006, 07:43 PM
You are the company that you keep and I prefer not to keep that kind of company. If I am shooting at a range only pro-gunners know. If I got guns only pro-gunners know, it's that simple.

ewb45acp
June 17, 2006, 07:48 PM
I'm the "gun guy" where I work. One day a woman from another dept. came to my office.

Her: "So, they tell me your into guns"

Me: "yeah, I guess so. What's up?"

Her: "Can I show you something I found?"

Me: "Sure. What have you got?"

She had found two handguns in a shoe box, housecleaning after the death of an old relative. She didn't now what they were or what to do with them. What she had was a Colt vest pocket .25, and a Sauer model 38H .32. The Colt was in rough shape but still serviceable. The Sauer was nearly perfect. It turned out to be a police issued piece from Nazi Germany. It looked like it had never been fired. I got to take them for a couple of days, disassemble, clean, oil, reassemble, research, and generally just play with them.

Double Maduro
June 17, 2006, 07:49 PM
Agreeing to help with protection would all depend on who it was and how good a friend they are. My family or other good friends I think I would go ahead and help out. I think some ground rules would be in order outside my family though.


I tend to be more of a free range sheepdog. If someone asks for help or for protection I will, more often than not, give it.

The first time.

I make it plain to them that they must do something to resolve the problem, (leave, divorce, police, move to a new place, etc.) before I will get involved a second time. Most of us need help from time to time.

DM

Zundfolge
June 17, 2006, 08:04 PM
- "Don't make Joe mad - he might shoot someone" followed by
nervous laughter.

I get that one occasionally too ... frankly it pisses me off.

I usually respond with something like "So I'm a gun owner and that makes me a murderer? So if I was Black would you say 'Don't make Zundy mad, he'll bust a cap in ya' or if I was Latino would you say 'Don't make Zundy mad, he'll cut you!' or if I was Lebanese or something would you say 'Don't make Zundy mad, he'll blow up the place!"?


Bigots annoy me. :fire:

When introducing newbies for the first time, I always let them shoot my ammo for free.
So Justin, I-uh-I never-uh-never shot a gun before... uh, yeah, thats it ... never shot a gun before. So could you-uh-take me out to the range? :evil:

Lupinus
June 17, 2006, 09:03 PM
I get um all the time

Mainly "why don't you get rid of those damn things before you kill somebody!"

mmike87
June 17, 2006, 10:39 PM
When introducing newbies for the first time, I always let them shoot my ammo for free.

Let me clarify - if I ask someone to the range it's one thing. I've brought people before as a sort of gift or "thank you" for something, or just to show my appreciation for their hard work. Or if I really think I can convert them ... :)

If someone asks me if they can come along to the range, I think it's tacky and in poor taste to expect your host to foot the entire bill.

"Hey Bubba, can you drive me to Richmond? And pay for all the gas? And buy me lunch, too?"

I want to introduce new folks to shooting - but not those kind of folks. The anti's can keep them.

mmike87
June 17, 2006, 10:43 PM
I'm a known "gun guy" at work. People come to me for buying advice, etc. I try and help as much as my experience allows.

However, sometimes people joke and say things like "The company will never fire you, they'd be afraid you'd come in here with your 'machine guns' and shoot everyone."

First of all, it's not a machine gun, they are semi-automatic rifles. Second of all, how can people not see what an insult that is?

"Bob, I can't let my kid come over to your place because I know you take karate classes and I'm afraid you'd kick the crap out of my kid for fun. Ha ha!"

Some people just have no class whatsoever.

Mr Kablammo
June 17, 2006, 11:07 PM
I once had an aquaintance from church call and leave a message that he is having relatives visiting from out-of-town and that he would like to borrow (NOT 'come shoot with us') two handguns for a week. Since the details involved loaning two deadly weapons equal in value to $1,000 the proper response was to promptly erase the message. This really put me off of church for a period of time.

A lot of non-owners have impaired sense of responsibility and power. Yes, they suffer from stunted development and unrealistic thinking.

Snap
June 17, 2006, 11:13 PM
Never gotten any odd requests, even when carrying. Then again, most of my buddies own at least one and in most cases several guns themselves. I am, however, known as the "gun nut" of the group and have gotten a few of the "Watch it, he'll go nuts..." comments, mostly in lighthearted jest. Not a real big deal, I tend to take it in stride.

sacp81170a
June 17, 2006, 11:44 PM
Try being the computer guy, the gun guy, and a part time LEO. I get all kinds of stupid requests.

Can you write so-and-so a ticket, just as a joke? (No, they're numbered and I am accountable for each and every one in the book. The state auditors would *not* be amused.)

Can you help me get out of a ticket? (No.)

Can you shoot someone for me? (My reply is usually something like, "you gotta be joking to solicit murder from a cop, right?")

Can you come along with me so I'll feel safer? (Depends on the circumstances, but if it's someplace the person doesn't have to go, then I usually decline.)

Can you put my home computer together for me? (Sure, my normal fee is $150 an hour, but for you I'll do it for $125.)

On the other hand, I get lots of good questions, too. Like, "how do I get a CCW?", "what kind of gun do you recommend for home defense". I'd far rather answer those questions politely and to the best of my knowledge than the dumb ones.

10 Ring Tao
June 18, 2006, 01:46 AM
A childhood friend who I've known for 15+ years, broke his neck a few years ago, and is now a low functioning paraplegic. He was a certified moonbat, going to school for philosophy when he broke his neck, and we'd butted heads over the gun issue. About a year and a half after the accident, he asked me if I would shoot him.

He was absolutely serious.

White Horseradish
June 18, 2006, 03:23 AM
I get that one occasionally too ... frankly it pisses me off.

I usually respond with something like "So I'm a gun owner and that makes me a murderer? So if I was Black would you say 'Don't make Zundy mad, he'll bust a cap in ya' or if I was Latino would you say 'Don't make Zundy mad, he'll cut you!' or if I was Lebanese or something would you say 'Don't make Zundy mad, he'll blow up the place!"?


Bigots annoy me.

A good friend of mine had a girl friend (not girlfriend) that would do that to me constantly. Not about guns, we lived in NYC and were 18, but about knives. I have always carried a knife, and everyone knew it because I was the guy to open a box or cut what needs cutting. She'd keep talking about how everyone needs to behave or <me> would cut them up...

Drove me up the wall...

Olys45
June 18, 2006, 05:57 AM
Quote:
I had a young, very attractive girl ask me to "come over to her place to make her feel safe," one night. Story was she went on a second or third date with a guy and she ended it early because he made her feel uncomfortable. She wanted me to come over for a while just in case he stopped back.

I stopped over.

It was a farce.


She was horny, and he turned out to be a dork of a date.


I think I read that same story in a certain magazine....


Now that is funny!

dogngun
June 18, 2006, 07:51 AM
I'm a member of several different gun-related forums. Last November I noticed several forums had similar posts from a new guy wanting to find a range or gun club that had a shooting range that duplicated the conditions of
the JFK assassination. I emailed one of guys who had replied to this moron, turned out he was a reporter for the Wall Street Journal who thought he could get a story about "gun nuts" who were imitating Lee Oswald out of hero worship or some such thing.

The ignorant perceptions most non-gun people have are sometimes a little scary and sometimes insulting.

Mark

Nanook
June 18, 2006, 10:38 AM
"How many do you own"?

The only answer I give to this idiotic question is:

"More than I need, but not as many as I want."

Usually a puzzled look, followed by a repeat of the question is what I get for my trouble.

I blame television, too much Scooby Do, not enough Nova. :D

Sinsaba
June 18, 2006, 10:48 AM
When a nutcase recently went to a nearby police station (Chantilly, VA) and started shooting at police, the report got out that a) he might not have been alone, and/or b) he had left and was on the run in our area.

As soon as one of my co-workers heard this (we work not far away) he said "quick go out to your car and get your gun".

I'm not really sure how to take that...

I can see that in 3 ways it would be a real bad idea, in 1 way it might have been a not so bad idea, how they came to the conclusion that I happened to have one (a number of people know I go shooting at lunch time but that is no reason to assume that I always have one), and lastly, why I would want to have a G17 against someone going around with an AK47 (as reported).

DougW
June 18, 2006, 10:48 AM
Many years ago, a neighbor homeowner young lady came to the front door and asked if I had a gun. I said "aaaa....yes". She said "can I borrow it? I think someone has broken into my house.":eek: I said "no, let's call the police".

She came in and we called 911, then I retrieved my revolver, and we waited in the entry way of my house for the police to show up. When the troops arrived, she went to talk to them, and I secured my revolver and followed her outside too. One officer stayed with us at the cars while 5 or 6 cleared the house. The officer with us asked if I was armed, and I said I was until they got there. He said "good" with a nod.

BTW, nobody in the house. A screen had fallen off a partially opened window so she thought someone must have broken in. False alarm, but the cops got some practice.

Kharn
June 18, 2006, 11:46 AM
I'm called "Sniper", "Killer" or "Ranger" by my office since I showed up for deer hunting at a coworker's farm with my Rem700P in .308 with SuperSniper 10x42 scope. I had just started there 6 months prior and it was the only deer-caliber rifle I had at my apartment. :o I dont really worry about it, our senior leaders show up to work everyday in the same green clothes and almost everyone in the office goes deer-hunting.

This year, I may be show up with my AK and a 5rd mag, it'd be better suited to the terrain on the farm anyway. :evil:

Kharn

GunnySkox
June 18, 2006, 12:04 PM
Once, a girl who lived in the same dorm as me (the HONORS dorm, mind) asked me if I was in the KKK, because I had a bunch of guns. I was completely dumbstruck, and I stared at her for a little while, managed a "No..." and left.

The same girl asked my roommate if the fraternity he was joining (Kappa Kappa Psi) had anything to do with the KKK because it had two Ks in it.

>.>
<.<
I'm sort of glad I got thrown out of Honors.

~GnSx

Hazwaste
June 18, 2006, 01:50 PM
I live in the country in Louisiana. No such thing as a non-gun owner in my "neighborhood".

akodo
June 18, 2006, 06:46 PM
You are the company that you keep and I prefer not to keep that kind of company. If I am shooting at a range only pro-gunners know. If I got guns only pro-gunners know, it's that simple.

I see two problems with that theory. First, you never have a chance to expose and recruit people who are truely ignorant of firearms, but with few preconceived notions, a clean slate as it were.

Second, if the only people who ever mention, even casually in passing after you have known then for a few years, any sort of interst in guns are the crazy types (who may or may not actually have guns) it paints all gun owners in that light.

Now, I am not saying you should follow a handshake with a new aquaintance with 'btw, I am into guns!" or even restrict it to only with people you know pretty well, but I think it is a travesty to keep your gun ownership totally hidden

Vern Humphrey
June 18, 2006, 06:49 PM
I think it is a travesty to keep your gun ownership totally hidden

That's like keeping the fact that you vote totally hidden. No one should be ashamed to publicly discuss the exercise their civil rights.

Hazwaste
June 18, 2006, 09:14 PM
I agree. I've read postings in the past stating we should hide the fact we're gun owners. Why?

What is the point of hiding our support of what we believe to be a foundational human right? :confused:

just one question
June 18, 2006, 09:23 PM
People could steal your guns:scrutiny:


It's enough to shut me up.

EddieCoyle
June 18, 2006, 10:21 PM
People could steal your guns


It's enough to shut me up.

Great reason.

In addition to guns, I own cars (which are worth way more than guns) but I keep my car ownership secret. I hide them in garages and only drive them in the middle of the night when no one can see me. I walk or ride a bicycle to work because I have to keep my cars hidden. Otherwise someone will, you know, steal them. That's why I keep it a secret. Clothes too. I have lots of them.

just one question
June 18, 2006, 10:25 PM
Touche I guess, but I am not going to blab to everyone that I shoot.;)

the naked prophet
June 18, 2006, 10:33 PM
My younger brother, a sophomore in college, consistently refuses to go shooting with me and my wife. But one day, he said "so, if aliens invade and you run to the hills with your guns, you'll give me a rifle and take me with you, right?"

I explained to him that he was more likely to shoot me or himself, or at the very best waste ammo and give away our position (I know an alien attack is not likely - but I didn't want to tell him about the impending zombie attack ;) ). I told him that I could help him buy a good, inexpensive rifle with ammunition, train him, and store the rifle for him (they frown on guns in the dorms...). He wasn't interested in that, but he said "really, if aliens invade and you run to the hills with your guns, you'll give me a rifle and take me with you, right?"

I just shook my head.

minuteman1970
June 18, 2006, 10:42 PM
The other day, I was chatting to a gun-owning colleague about the Thompson-Contender line of rifles. Another colleague who was nearby and does not own guns, asked "my God why do you need a machine gun?"

evan price
June 18, 2006, 10:51 PM
As far as being the computer geek and gun nut... well..

I am the guy with the welder and air compressor. And trucks and trailers. And guns.

My previous neighbor, who was in the driveway next door while I was unloading guns (cased) from the car, targets, range bags, etc. to bring inside, walked over and said something to the effect of, "So, out with your machine guns, huh?" :banghead:
I replied..:scrutiny: "hunh?" And opened one randomly to show a plain jane Mauser bolt rifle.
He shrugged, looked at my targets, then said, "When you clean your guns, make sure you are on the other side of the house so you don't shoot through your walls and into mine. Those bullets go right through houses, you know."
Again, I replied..:scrutiny: "hunnh?"
He looked annoyed and said, "Well, the only way to get a bullet out is to shoot it right? Just don't shoot at my house. I see that stuff on the news all the time. People cleaning guns and shooting them clean."

Then I realized that this fella thought that once a round was loaded into the gun, the only way to unload it was to FIRE THE ROUND...! :what:

I offered to show him the safe way to handle guns but he wasn't interested and went back inside. Probably hunkered down in the bathtub all night waiting for the sound of the shot...

Hal Romberg
June 19, 2006, 12:52 AM
I have a republican uncle who is pro gun only because the party is. He's more of a closet anti. The first (and only) time I showed him one of my firearms, his hands shook like leaves the whole time he held it.

It was a Ruger MKII.

I think his problem was that he couldn't see it as just an object. He was unable to disassociate it from the personality traits ascribed to guns, so he was afraid of it. Oddly His wife, who is a raving Liberal, dealt with it a lot better. She was more worried about getting nasty oil all over her hands. She even knew how to clear it. I suspect she could be converted.:D

kjeff50cal
June 19, 2006, 02:07 AM
Who's Burt Gummer:confused: :D ;) .

Croyance
June 19, 2006, 02:10 AM
maybe this thread should be a "stickie"

as evidence of the on-going stupidity of the average non-gun owner.
People are willfully stupid about a lot of stuff, or just extremely unthinking.
I'm Chinese-American and believe me, the comments here are just as stupid (maybe less so) than questions I was asked growing up. Fortunately as an adult, I am subject to much less of that - whether because adults (me) are more intimidating, adults (them) are more worldly or incurious, or people are just too busy.

For the "or X will shoot" - yeah that's like saying "your Catholic? Better hide my boys" or "your not a virgin? Better not let you around my daughters!"
Ironically, you cannot raise your voice or act overly offended because as the gun owner, you will be the bad guy. It is also interesting how they cannot see this.

mbs357
June 19, 2006, 07:37 AM
Many times I've mentioned to my friends or random people in chat rooms that I'm "going to go shoot some stuff."
Meaning I'ma go to the woods and shoot water bottles! Whee!

You would not believe how many "Oh noes don't shoot people!" responses I've gotten (Or similar responses).
Since when do people associate 'stuff' and 'things' with 'people'?

thebucket
June 19, 2006, 08:21 AM
You would not believe how many "Oh noes don't shoot people!" responses I've gotten (Or similar responses).
Since when do people associate 'stuff' and 'things' with 'people'?

They must not have as high a regard for human life as you do.

Vern Humphrey
June 19, 2006, 09:39 AM
He wasn't interested in that, but he said "really, if aliens invade and you run to the hills with your guns, you'll give me a rifle and take me with you, right?"

The correct response is, "No. My plan is to make my getaway while they're eating you.":D

espanola
June 19, 2006, 09:41 AM
Who's Burt Gummer .

Burt was a character in the movie Tremors that had an extensive gun collection.

kjeff50cal
June 19, 2006, 10:04 AM
espanola- Burt was a character in the movie Tremors that had an extensive gun collection.

If you notice in all the Tremors movies old Burt's gun collection gets blown-up or eaten.:what:

mbs357
June 19, 2006, 01:24 PM
One of the best gun movies.
"MAGAZINE!"
"YEA!" *toss*

NHBB
June 19, 2006, 02:05 PM
some great stories here, but I didn't see the most common comment I get personally once someone learns that I collect firearms...

"remind me never to piss you off" like if you own a gun and someone makes you angry its OK corral time. I have CCW'd for years and there have been plenty of times someone pissed me off, meanwhile the last thought in my head is to shoot the person... more like focusing on how to blow it off and not let it escalate.

some people have this notion that carrying a gun makes you prone to violence. those of us that respect the 2A and care a lot about gun safety etc for the most part will be much more cautious in how they approach confrontations. a carry permit is not a license to kill, contrary to what some seem to believe.

danurve
June 19, 2006, 02:21 PM
Once, a girl who lived in the same dorm as me (the HONORS dorm, mind) asked me if I was in the KKK, because I had a bunch of guns. I was completely dumbstruck, and I stared at her for a little while, managed a "No..." and left.

The same girl asked my roommate if the fraternity he was joining (Kappa Kappa Psi) had anything to do with the KKK because it had two Ks in it.
Unfortunatly many of these very same people wind up as politicians.

I've had a few people say to me crap like well if the 'shtf' I'm comming over to your place since you have all the guns. They usually just get the look. If I'm bored I might ask them what makes them think I have any guns at all?
or as an alternate (if I know they have a family) - I look out for myself so I can look out for whats important to me like my kids. If you would like some private instruction on your own firearm handling and safety I would be glad to help. If the s ever htf if your unarmed chances are you wouldn't make it a mile much less any closer to where I am. And in that case how could you even phantom being unable to protect your own first?

Some people live a falsehood about others always comming to their rescue, dumbazzes.

JesseJames
June 19, 2006, 02:48 PM
"That's when it hit me that Bob, like so many others who shun firearms, have a kind of stunted growth, a psychological immaturity about guns, just like most of us who probably draw stick figures when we try to draw people. Either no one ever taught us, or we never made the effort to get past that level of awareness and skill."

Spot on.
To some extent I blame suburbia. The suburban lifestyle does have an anesthetizing affect on the senses.
I'm a technophile as much as the next geek but I love going out and "rolling around in the dirt" now and then.
I think I may actually be a gun geek if there is such a thing.

It's a strange experience to introduce people to guns and shooting who have had very limited contact with it. Or have never handled a gun before.
Some are in awe. Some are a little horrified. Some are just like kids in a candy store.
There is no gun tradition in their upbringing and it is sometimes scary and depressing how the inexperience can manifest itself.

DF357
June 19, 2006, 03:38 PM
I ordered a holster and had it shipped to work. One day the lady that runs the mail room called and said I had a package and come and get it. It's return address on the box was 'Holsters R Us' or some such place - I forgot where I got it.

Anyway, she says, 'you got guns?' I say 'yup I like military rifles'. She said, 'I went to military school in Vt. but never got into shooting.'

So playing along I said, 'then you wouldn't mind me living next door to you if I owned some military rifles?'

Nope, no problem.

'How about id I had a bunch and some handguns too?'

Nope no problem.

'How about if I had a couple of AK47's?'

She says I don't think I'd like that.

Why?

"Because you might go crazy and shoot me !

----------------------------------

One day I showed my libtard bro-in-law my AK47. He said "Well thanks a whole lot for putting another assault weapon on the street!"

Zundfolge
June 19, 2006, 03:56 PM
Honestly I've lost all patience with antis and treat them the same as I treat anti-semites or other racists.

"I have not patience for your bigotry, now go away."


Seriously, if someone said of one of their black co-workers "You don't want to piss Bob off or he'll get all crazy and start shooting all the white people." or of a gay co-worker "Don't bend over in front of Bob or you might get a surprise!" there are plenty of companies that would consider those fireable offenses.

JesseJames
June 19, 2006, 05:58 PM
"Once, a girl who lived in the same dorm as me (the HONORS dorm, mind) asked me if I was in the KKK, because I had a bunch of guns."

:( sigh
That's the sad part. She's an "Honors" student. A lot of honors students can be dumb as posts in some ways.
They've been groomed most of their lives to think and say the "right thing".

Zundfolge
June 19, 2006, 06:50 PM
I just remembered something that happened when I told a co-worker I carried.


He's an ex-state trooper who is a 100% believer in CCW (and gun rights in general) ... only reason he hasn't got his license yet is lack of funds.

I know he wants to CCW and when he gets his permit he'll be like me and CCW 24/7/365.


First time we were talking about CCW and I told him I carried his knee-jerk response was; "what, you paranoid or something?"

It seemed like this seemingly automatic response caught himself off guard ... I think he was surprised that he even thought it, let alone said it.


Its amazing how deep the anti-gun conditioning is in our culture ... its even more amazing that we haven't completely lost our RKBA.

espanola
June 19, 2006, 07:03 PM
A neigbor saw me coming in from hunting one evening and talked about it, what I hunted, what with, etc. All they knew I had was a 7mm.
Some months later, I was asked to come shoot a mouse in his house because they'd seen John Wayne do it in "True Grit"...
Kinda wish I had done it...

leadcounsel
June 19, 2006, 07:06 PM
I briefly dated a co-worker woman once. A year or so later she had a bad breakup with some guy she labeled as "having a very secretive job with the military, probably a special ops guy, big, possibly violent type."

She said she was scared of him after their break up and wanted me to bring my gun over and sleep on her couch for a few nights.

Obviously I passed.

Nothing happened with her and her ex after that.

EddieCoyle
June 19, 2006, 07:30 PM
Its amazing how deep the anti-gun conditioning is in our culture ... its even more amazing that we haven't completely lost our RKBA.

This is especially true in an anti-gun state. This is also the reason why I proselytize the way I do and live with the consequences. I figure if I can turn an anti or a fence-sitter into a responsible shooter, I will have done way more to preserve the RKBA than somebody that skulks around, hiding the fact that they're a gun owner, only to emerge on the Internet to wishfully post in every tin-foil-hat-SHTF thread.

I'm not afraid of somebody stealing my guns, I don't care what irrational anti's think of me, and I'm willing to patiently answer questions, dispel myths, and put up with the occasional ignorant comment or request.

Well, usually I'm patient. Here's one that happened today:

I work with a guy that I'll describe as a Corporate Remora - He's lazy, and has nothing creative or productive to offer. He attaches himself to people that are more productive and survives by living off their scraps. He's also in Year 5 of a seemingly endless midlife crisis. First he got the sports car, then the silk shirts, pinky ring, hair implants, and last week - the dental veneers.

I'm talking big, giant, enormous dental veneers. I mean, he left work one day with teeth that looked like a mouthful of Kandy Korn, and showed up the next day with a blinding white set of Bobby Kennedy teeth.

I was giving a presentation in a meeting today, with clients and out-of-town executives present. My boss and I were discussing a point when Remora pipes up with, "Don't get him mad, he'll come back with a bunch of guns and shoot everybody". I looked him square in the eye and said, "That's really dumb. Saying that I'll shoot somebody because I own guns is like saying that you'll bite somebody because you bought those huge stick-on Chiclets."

He was quiet the rest of the meeting.

P.S. - When I take a newbie shooting for the first time, I always buy the ammo. The second time, I'll make sure we stop at a shop on the way to the range to buy ammo. In every case, the person with me has offered to pay. If it ever happens that I don't get an offer to pay or at least chip in, I won't take that person a third time.

razorburn
June 20, 2006, 12:58 AM
Honestly I've lost all patience with antis and treat them the same as I treat anti-semites or other racists.

"I have not patience for your bigotry, now go away."


Seriously, if someone said of one of their black co-workers "You don't want to piss Bob off or he'll get all crazy and start shooting all the white people." or of a gay co-worker "Don't bend over in front of Bob or you might get a surprise!" there are plenty of companies that would consider those fireable offenses.

To play devils advocate, when did boys who like guns or boys who like boys become a race? Only the black example is about race, the others are discriminating based off of personality traits.

Crosshair
June 20, 2006, 01:31 AM
I have a dip co-worker that keeps asking me to show him how to make full-auto guns. I always tell him to get lost. Many people would love to see someone kick his arse. Not many people like him.:mad:

Dmack_901
June 20, 2006, 02:12 AM
I got a "silly" demand by a gun owner, but I really wasn't expecting it at a gun show. After seeing a gentleman check out a pair of older berretta pistols, I thought I'd take a peak too. They appeared to be the same age, but one was more worn than the other, and I wondered how much that would affect their price. Apparently though, 18 year olds can't have legal intentions when it comes to looking at handguns. The owner decided to get slightly agitated complaining, "How old are you?", "You can't even buy a handgun", "Don't touch that." :mad:

I understad that most people don't understand the whole, 18 year-old handgun "loophole", but that's beside the point. I was just looking at the thing. I wasn't waving it around, or trying to walk off with it. Just fliping it over to check their seriel numbers for age difference. :rolleyes: I guess there're people like that everwhere.

Byron Quick
June 20, 2006, 03:11 AM
If one of my friends thinks they need me for extra security...I'll be there. But what that really means is I'm real careful about who my friends are.

My sister had a guy break her door down and rush into the living room. She rushed into the living room also. From the kitchen. With a humongous meat cleaver and a butcher knife that would put a short sword to shame, screaming,"What are you doing in my living room? You *&*, you broke my door!" Man was last seen doing an Olympic class 400 meter run. The police asked her how she got the invader to leave. After she showed them, their response was,"I don't blame him, lady, I would have left, too."

Another night she woke up and looked out the window at her shed. Two men had broken the lock and were wheeling her lawn mower off. She met them at the corner of the house with her BHP to ask where they were going with her blankety-blank lawn mower. After making them put the lawn mower back up and leave money for the broken padlock, she told them she was going to count to ten before she started firing. There are very long sight distances in most directions from her backyard. Another Olympic class sprint ensued.

My friends have their own guns. My women friends have their own guns. Most of the people at work have their own guns. Don't associate with people who don't own guns and you won't have these types of problems. Same with pickup trucks. Even my computer guy is a gun guy,too.

Simplify your life.

ugaarguy
June 20, 2006, 03:41 AM
In addition to guns, I own cars (which are worth way more than guns) but I keep my car ownership secret. I hide them in garages and only drive them in the middle of the night when no one can see me. I walk or ride a bicycle to work because I have to keep my cars hidden. Otherwise someone will, you know, steal them. That's why I keep it a secret. Clothes too. I have lots of them.

Eddie, the clothes comment at the end of that almost sent rum & Coke spewing out of my nostrils onto the keyboard. :neener:

Fleetwing1627
June 20, 2006, 09:59 AM
The same girl asked my roommate if the fraternity he was joining (Kappa Kappa Psi) had anything to do with the KKK because it had two Ks in it.

One of my former roommates, who was black, used to joke about me being in the Kappa Kappa Clan (KKPsi, national honorary band fraternity).

Happy
June 20, 2006, 12:59 PM
Quote:
The same girl asked my roommate if the fraternity he was joining (Kappa Kappa Psi) had anything to do with the KKK because it had two Ks in it.

One of my former roommates, who was black, used to joke about me being in the Kappa Kappa Clan (KKPsi, national honorary band fraternity).

It's not every day you have your fraternity (especially when it's the National Honorary Fraternity for College Bandmembers) mentioned on THR.

When/Where'd you pledge? Spring '96 - Georgia Tech here.

I've heard of incidents in the past where a jacket obscured the psi so the brother would be walking around with the two Ks showing and the third letter left to the imagination. Usually didn't result in anything, but one guy got thrown against a wall until they figured out their mistake.
This perception saddens me a lot because we have chapters at HBCUs (Morehouse, Clark Atlanta, Morris Brown, Tuskeegee, Florida A&M to name a few) and I have several very good friendships as a result.

Back on topic:
I haven't had too many stupid questions asked to me. I've asked plenty myself. (It's the only way I learn.) The worst thing I see is all of the misinformation that's out there. The video of the lady talking about the 50 BMG incendiary rounds cooking the deer makes me sigh and shake my head.
Most of my coworkers are former military, avid gun enthusiasts, or don't care either way. There are a lot of fun conversations in the hall ways. :)

Stormin n
June 20, 2006, 01:13 PM
Almost had a deer hit my truck one night. Instead it jumped in front of the oncoming minivan, breaking its back leg(s?) and crawling off the road. Stopped to render aid, and called the sheriff. The lady and kids in the car were upset that bambi got hit and was suffering. They were pretty busy at the call center (911) and the operator asked me if I had a gun in the car, could I just shoot it (out in the counrty part of the county, foothills outside of Denver). I was hesitant and reminded the operator that that would be hunting out of seaason with out a licence, besides, I did not want to answer the part about "gun in car". She eventually agreed and sent a deputy to put down the deer. 12 ga, 4 shots from about 30 feet, over two minutes, aftre 30 minute wait. Wish i would have shot it myself.

The Grand Inquisitor
June 20, 2006, 01:36 PM
Sometimes gun owners are just as bad. for instance, the gun store in which I buy most of my stuff has some real odd birds coming in (Iowa City, Iowa) that just come in, ask for something very obscure, and then get really mad when the weapon isn't in stock. Case in point, a few months ago a guy came in, and asked if the store had any Siamese Mausers, they didn't, any the guy got a little mad and then said, "what the hell? Navy Arms imported a bunch of them back in the 80's and I remember when they were everywhere. You call this a gun shop?" And then he stormed out.

Also, I was at the range once when a group of art students from the University (University of Iowa) came to the range and went along the line asking if they could take pictures of them. The other two groups told them they would club them if they pointed their camera's at them, but because I'm a student, I was a little more open to what they were going through (I'm in Religious Studies, and I've done some studies of radical and marginalized religious groups and just walking up to people and asking to attach yourself, a total stranger, to something that is deeply personal to them is very difficult).

I told them I might be open to what they were doing, but I wasn't real big on being photographed myself, and they first wanted to take a shot on some of my carry cases with the rifles slightly out, and to this one I said OK (I made very sure that the rifles were barely visable and that no identifing makers could be seen). I asked what motif they were going for, and the lead guy mumbled off something about America being at war with itself (I'm assuming he wanted to be coy because he figured I was a right wing fascist maniac...like all gun owners are...of course).

I tend to dismiss most of what modern artists say and do, so I let that go, but next he wanted to use my Steyr so that he could have his "model" (a skinny black kid) pose with it in suicide positions. That was totally out of the question...especially because he insited that the pistol be loaded. Much to my surprise, another young guy who had just come and was watching nearby chirped in and let him do this with his new pistol. In this case a brand new Taurus .44 Mag revolver.

At this point I was very frightened because they insisted that he revolver be loaded and the hammer back and I knew how light revolver triggers are with the hammer back. Because I didn't want to be around if this kid splattered his brains all over the range rules sign, I began to get my stuff and leave, but they wanted one last shot from me.

The main photog wanted to stand about 35 yards down range and snap shots with his camera to try and get the muzzle flashes.

Being totally amazed with how stupid everything had become, I just shook my head and left, but as far as I know, the other guy obliged him ("...just aim away from me...").


As far as I know, thankfully, nothing tragic ever happened that day, but had anything happened, I know that there would have been a huge fall-out against gun and gun owners, and no mention of the fact that a group of art students had practically been asking for a deadly mistake to happen.

Croyance
June 20, 2006, 10:25 PM
Why didn't you tell the range officer or the operators of the range what they were doing? Aiming a loaded gun at a person or being down range are against almost every rule. In most places, a gun that is loaded and not in a lane while pointed downrange is also against the rules.
People can be stupid on their own time. If anything had happened, you would have been down one more place to shoot - between the investigation time, publicity, and the lawsuits by the grieving family members costing the owners too much.

TallPine
June 20, 2006, 10:54 PM
a few months ago a guy came in, and asked if the store had any Siamese Mausers
Let me guess... those are the rifles with the twin barrels, right ...? :D

Actually, I have seen a Siamese Mouser ;)

pete f
June 21, 2006, 12:31 AM
One friend used to tell his wife to call me if there was any trouble when he was on the road, As I would show up faster and be better armed than the cops. (he was right in that case).

I had a neighbor insist it was illegal for me keep guns in my house. She was positive that was the law, even after calling the cops and being told otherwise, she refused to believe that. Several months after she moved in, her house was burglarized, and she was furious that i had not shot the guy, ( I was not even home when it happened.)


Another neighbor in the city would refuse to let her kids play with my kids because I had guns.

I got a call from a co-worker at about 2 am. There had been a break in in her building and she was terrified, I told her I did not think my wife would like the idea of her and me in her apt all night but she was free to spend the night at our place. She hung up on me.

I hate the friends who make the joke comments about who carries etc. I do get asked to walk a lot of friends out to their car when it is late at night.

larry_minn
June 21, 2006, 01:12 AM
I have a dip co-worker that keeps asking me to show him how to make full-auto guns. I always tell him to get lost. Many people would love to see someone kick his arse. Not many people like him.

(opps forgot who posted this) anyway
Inform him you checked and if he asks you again that is a FELONY and in order to protect yourself from conspiricy charges you MUST contact BATFE and report him. As it happens at work you will have to inform HR and he will likely get fired. This is his final warning.

Forgot to add. My most silly request was by Sheriff's dept dispatcher (likely non- gun owner?) I reported strange goings on at my church at midnight (3 cars and two pickup full of kids/lights out/etc/etc) She (dispatch) asked me to leave my car and check their cars AND check the church for damage. I informed her I would NOT leave my car or the highway. (she did not know me from Adam) I had NOT informed her I was armed and had body armor on.
Wonder what responding Officers (they didn't have anyone in area for 20 minutes and had to wake city cop to come out) If I had said. "OK, Tell responding Officers that guy with DPMS AR on 3 pt sling/body armor/vest with half dozen mags/G21 and spare mags is good guy." :)

Hoppy590
June 21, 2006, 01:24 AM
wow, larry_minn

do you just drive around looking for a shoot out?
if you dont mind me asking, where were you coming from

Croyance
June 21, 2006, 01:48 AM
I got a call from a co-worker at about 2 am. There had been a break in in her building and she was terrified, I told her I did not think my wife would like the idea of her and me in her apt all night but she was free to spend the night at our place. She hung up on me.Now that is just rude. You offered a safe haven and she hangs up. As if calls in the middle of the night are welcome things.

torpid
June 21, 2006, 03:11 AM
I got a call from a co-worker at about 2 am. There had been a break in in her building and she was terrified, I told her I did not think my wife would like the idea of her and me in her apt all night but she was free to spend the night at our place. She hung up on me.

This sounds like she may have been hoping for a 2 am "visit"...

.

Trebor
June 21, 2006, 04:04 AM
I stopped over.

It was a farce.


She was horny, and he turned out to be a dork of a date.


I think I read that same story in a certain magazine....

"Dear Guns & Ammo,

I never thought I'd be writing to you, but I had the strangest experience recently..."

Gives a new meaning to "Gun Porn," I guess.

larry_minn
June 21, 2006, 05:32 AM
I posted the whole thing over a yr ago.
Basicly we had (people) breaking into church and stealing most anything not bolted down (including the lights for the sign)
I got up for drink and saw lights by church/behind/etc at around midnight. I put BA on over PJs and a heavy shirt. Put on pants with Glock/flashlight and kept watch from house. (more activity) as I know response is 30 minutes + (heck they just had local city cop report to city council that HIS backup is over 20 minutes away if he gets into trouble and calls for help. (everyone knows this but IMO paper should not have printed this)
Anyway as DPMS is right there I toss it into car as well and drive down highway past church. (do not stop) just dry past like going to town. I see enough to know I want LEO help so I call it in on cell. Dispatch tells me nobody available. (no surprise) and asks if I can get lic number of cars/trucks? I tell her I will attempt the (aparently unmanned) cars and drive past going the other way and read of lic numbers as I drive by (rather slowly but with plenty of room and firm intention of hitting gas if anything comes up)
Yes I was loaded for bear. I haven't spent $$$ on training with carbine to rely on pistol (ok spent 6x easy on pistol training) when carbine sat in case at home. (you use pistol to fight way to rifle)
I did NOT want a shootout. If they did I wanted to be able to oblige them. When there are over 20 unknowns you don't play fair. Now the city Cop knew me and likely figured I was loaded for bear/owl/etc.
Now if Church was at dead end/no exits I wouldn't have gotten that close. Its at crossroads with large paved open areas on three sides. And my plan that I used was to dry past/go couple miles/turn around and come back another direction so I always had some speed/room to manuver.

Jadecristal
June 21, 2006, 04:21 PM
June 19th, 2006 11:58 PM
razorburn

Honestly I've lost all patience with antis and treat them the same as I treat anti-semites or other racists.

"I have not patience for your bigotry, now go away."


Seriously, if someone said of one of their black co-workers "You don't want to piss Bob off or he'll get all crazy and start shooting all the white people." or of a gay co-worker "Don't bend over in front of Bob or you might get a surprise!" there are plenty of companies that would consider those fireable offenses.

To play devils advocate, when did boys who like guns or boys who like boys become a race? Only the black example is about race, the others are discriminating based off of personality traits.

As a boy who likes guns AND boys, I hope this doesn't come across as not-high-roadish, from http://www.m-w.com/:

Main Entry: big·ot·ry
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&-trE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ries
1 : the state of mind of a bigot
2 : acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Jadecristal

GunnySkox
June 21, 2006, 05:25 PM
It's not every day you have your fraternity (especially when it's the National Honorary Fraternity for College Bandmembers) mentioned on THR.

When/Where'd you pledge? Spring '96 - Georgia Tech here.

I didn't pledge, but my roommate did. He pledged Fall '05, up at Virginia Tech.

Sorry for OTing,

~GnSx

Fleetwing1627
June 22, 2006, 04:53 AM
Fall 2002, Epsilon, Mississippi State.

Q-Lock
June 22, 2006, 10:02 AM
I was talking to one of my best friends about a week ago; he's supposed to be getting his hands on a box of earplugs for me. Anyway, I just remind him about my request for the earplugs and he says he'll have them soon(didn't get them yet :mad: ).

Here's how the conversation went:

me: Thanks a lot man, I'll take you out shooting for your troubles.(he's never handled a firearm before)
him: Yeah, that's all I need...to die from a gunshot wound.
me: Are you kidding me?! That's not going to happen. Proper safety precautions will keep us safe. It's a bit difficult to shoot your self when you're behind your weapon.
him: yeah whatever.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I was speechless after hanging up. One of my own good friends said that...now that was just depressing.

Friggin unaware/uninformed anti's. And to think this guy's a hardcore republican...

creitzel
June 22, 2006, 10:36 AM
him: Yeah, that's all I need...to die from a gunshot wound.


I just took an anti-gun guy from work to the range last Friday. He was making several comments like that prior to the trip as well. Now, he is pestering me, wanting to know if I'll take him again :)

Stick with it, and try to show your friend the error of his ways :evil:

Chris

strambo
June 22, 2006, 11:40 AM
him: Yeah, that's all I need...to die from a gunshot wound.

I wouldn't let him get off that easy. Me; "You want to wear my interceptor vest in Med. or LG? With or without SAPI plates? Or, how about a non mil. issue interceptor style with steel plates? Helmet?" "I'll bring a combat lifesaver bag with bandages, chest seals and Heta starch IV's, I guarantee if you manage to shoot yourself in a part not covered by the vest/helmet, you won't die.":D

Him; "what are you gonna wear?" Me; "shorts and a T-shirt...decided not to shoot myself"

Bart Noir
June 22, 2006, 02:27 PM
Yup, TallPine gets today's award for the best pun :D

Bart Noir

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