Im a 19 yr old paratrooper


June 16, 2006, 01:46 PM
I think you guys will find this funny. I joined the Army at 17. Since then I have never encountered any of this crap until a week before I was honorably discharged.

I am in my BDU's, cleary I am military since I have my jump wings, US ARMY and my unit patch on me. I go up to a wal-mart counter and tell the young man that I needed 2 boxes of wwb in 9mm. He asks me for ID, so i give him my Military ID. He gives me this stupid look and tells me that I am not old enough to buy it. I almost hit the floor. I then found out that it was federal law that you can not sell pistol ammo to minors, even though they are military. How stupid is that? I cant buy my own ammo yet I can jump outta C-130's and get to carry and use an M-4 , and a 60mm mortar.:banghead:

I have bought thousands of rounds from wal mart and i am usually in BDUS when i do since i buy it after work. and I have never had this happened before. could it be that the other workers are just excersising some common sense?:confused: Anyway this loser looked like the guy that still lives with mom and dad at 30 that was jealous at the fact that a 19 year old "KID" has the fortitude required to do what he is afraid to do. im civilian now but next time this happens im gonna ask how much the ammo is and just lay down the cash and go, i dont care if he rings it up or not. Im seriously tired of this kinda crap. I feel like I was used and Im still a little boy that cant do a damn thing all becuase of idiots making stupid rules. I was a paratrooper, doesnt that mean anything? I guess not.

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June 16, 2006, 01:52 PM
Welcome to the absurdity of federal laws. You can carry a belt-fed machinegun or drive a tank on the battlefield or control nuke silos. But in most states you can't get yourself a carry license or a beer.

June 16, 2006, 01:53 PM
This is off topic but I really respect you. It's weird talking to someone who's younger than I am (20yo.) who has already been honorably discharged from the military.

Anyway yeah, I've always thought it was alittle silly that our military guys are sent off to fight but can't drink or buy handguns. There should be an excpetion or something. haha

June 16, 2006, 01:57 PM
Tell them it's for your rifle. Problem, no problem.

June 16, 2006, 01:58 PM
Don't hate the guy for doing his job. That's all he's doing, milksop or not.
And, if you pay attention, this is just one of a million outrages you will have over government policy.

You have to suck it up, but you don't have to like the taste.

June 16, 2006, 02:03 PM
It's idiotic to be sure, and of all the things out there, it's the LEAST worrisome thing I can come up with.

Thanks for your service. Although I have concerns about you. Jumping out of a perfectly good airplane...tisk.... ;) :D


June 16, 2006, 02:22 PM
I too joined at 17. I got back from Iraq when I was 19. I got my permit soon after (ND law requires minimum age of 18), but I had the same problem you did. I got around it at Wal-Mart by telling them that it was for a rifle. Soon after I became a regular customer at a smaller gun shop, no big issue there.

I felt the same irony and frustration you do now - I had carried an M-16 with a 203 attached, but I couldn't be trusted with ammo or guns bought at a big box store. The low point for me was when I couldn't attend VFW meetings because I was too young to be in the meeting hall since it was considered a bar.

Remember the rifle you're buying that ammo for, get a friend/relative to pick some up for you, start forming a good relationship with a smaller store, and tough it out.

Byron Quick
June 16, 2006, 02:32 PM
First off, thank you for your service.

Second, why lie and take the risk of getting caught in it?

There are some neat 9mm carbines available. Get one and you are 100% legal and above board. And gratified, having used jujutsu to turn the tables on asinine government nannyism to justify buying another firearm.:D

June 16, 2006, 02:36 PM
Sigh....we had the same deal, next town over from where I grew up.

One of the deputies was 19 or 20 when he got out of the police academy, his mom had to buy him his off duty gun, and all his ammo.

June 16, 2006, 02:56 PM
That's rather annoying I imagine.

The (Hypothetical) U.K situation:

Proud young RGBW rifleman would like to engage in shooting sports, following an honourable (Medical) discharge due to being wounded in Iraq.

"Can I own a handgun?" asks the rifleman.

"Of course you can! . . . . . . . . . . .so long as it's a Black powder pistol, or an obsolete calibre Pre-1918, or is a Pre-1918 model (Current calibre) kept at a range, or a revolver with a comically long barrel!" answers the nice Police Firearms Officer

"Bollocks." replies the rifleman.

June 16, 2006, 03:11 PM
Title 18 Ch 44 § 922(x)
(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess—
(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.
(3) This subsection does not apply to—
(A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile—
(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;
(ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile’s parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, except—
(I) during transportation by the juvenile of an unloaded handgun in a locked container directly from the place of transfer to a place at which an activity described in clause (i) is to take place and transportation by the juvenile of that handgun, unloaded and in a locked container, directly from the place at which such an activity took place to the transferor; or
(II) with respect to ranching or farming activities as described in clause (i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition with the prior written approval of the juvenile’s parent or legal guardian and at the direction of an adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State or local law from possessing a firearm;
(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile’s possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and
(iv) in accordance with State and local law;
(B) a juvenile who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard who possesses or is armed with a handgun in the line of duty;
(C) a transfer by inheritance of title (but not possession) of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile; or
(D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which the juvenile is an invited guest.

It seems like a pretty easy law to skirt, except that I can't figure what 3(A)(ii)(I) and (II) are supposed to mean :confused:

Brian Williams
June 16, 2006, 03:37 PM
Thanks for your Serving us and your country. You need to get your self a 9mm rifle or carbine. I hate to see one of our uniformed servicmen get the shaft, but I will not espouse lying. Besides I did not know the Army offered 11b Airborne with a 2 yr and out.

Semper Fi

June 16, 2006, 04:04 PM
All you need is a Beretta Storm in 9mm. Then you are legal & in compliance with the law. No harm, no foul. Personally, I'd opt to purchase ammo from a local gun shop (preferably where you purchased above mentioned Storm) and build a relationship with them. It'll go a long ways.

Oh, and thank you for serving-as a paratrooper, you have bigger cajones than a lot of folks out there.

June 16, 2006, 04:19 PM
only thing is since you are 19 and fresh out of the miltary the Storm may be a little out of your price range. (it is out of mine with my family and all) So try the hipoint 995 9mm carbine. about half the price of the STORM and for about 50.00 you can buy an ATI stock that makes the hipoint look a lot like a STORM. I am going with my 18yr old brother in law to buy one when he gets back from the sand box (iraq) in November.

June 16, 2006, 04:20 PM
So, I am going through Wally World check out with a big box of .22lr and the check out babe looks up and asks, "Is this for a rifle or a handgun?"

I ask, "does it look to you like I am a minor?" (in my mid 50s at the time)

She says, "no, but the machine says I have to choose one."

I tell her, "Say it's for a machine gun."

I don't remember if I got out with the ammo, but I was pi$$ed.

June 16, 2006, 04:46 PM
I was 11C Indirect Fire Infantry (mortars) I rather of been 11B but you dont get to pick, In basic i found out the first day that I was 11C. I guess it's random. Anyway I got messed up and then screwed (im ok now and was always ok, the Army over reacted) and thats why i got out so early. I didnt have too much time left anyway ill be 20 real soon.

Thats awsome, I didnt know if i told them its for a carbine then they have to sell it to me. Ill try that and ill show em the law next time. I am gonna make that guy sell it to me too just for satisfaction. You guys are right, there are way more important things to worry about however, it still needs to be addressed.

Here is another interesting note, while at the airport coming home after my discharge, i had 3 kimber magazines in my carry on bag. I didnt think it would be a problem considering that i had no firearm. The kid working the TSA looked like he was having a heart attack when he screamed for his boss to come over to see my magazines. They interrogated me for about 20 minutes. The last question i got from the tsa dude was did you know you had the magazines in your bag, im like of course i knew, i put them there. he looks at me like i said somthing wrong so fearing that i may face another 20 mins of interrogation i shook my head in disbelief and said NO! I didnt know they were in there.

3 weeks later i got a letter from them scolding me about the situation. I know you cant hate a man for doing his job but that dude wasnt really doing his job. he could have A. asked if it were for a carbine. and B. just look away, and not be a flamer!

June 16, 2006, 05:21 PM
A. asked if it were for a carbine.

I don't magazines of any recognizable sort will go over like a wet fart in church with the TSA.

You really got took by your recruiter too. MOS is typically chosen right after the ASVAB. Either way, enjoy going back to civilian life.

Brian Williams
June 16, 2006, 05:21 PM
We are talking about a Federal law that you want to break. It is illegal to sell handgun ammo to a minor. So the clerk is doing the right thing. About the Mags in your carry on, the TSA dude was also doing the right thing his Job. It would be illegal for either the clerk or the guy from TSA to look away, whether or not if you asked them to.

We do not need to talk about breaking laws, Local, State or Fed. let's shut this down

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