Teen Injures Self with .22 Cartridge


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Mikee Loxxer
June 16, 2006, 04:41 PM
Teen says wound came from hitting cartridge
By the Lincoln Journal Star

A 19-year-old who went to the emergency room at BryanLGH Medical Center West with a gunshot wound to his foot said he accidentally caused his own injury.

Sgt. Don Scheinost said police went to the hospital after the teen went to the ER just after 2 p.m. The teen said he had a .22 caliber cartridge in vice grips and hit the cartridge with a hammer an hour earlier near 28th and Q streets. It went off and hit his foot, he said.

Scheinost said police werenít sure thatís how the injury happened. The teen wasnít cooperative about the details.

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psyopspec
June 16, 2006, 04:47 PM
I don't know if "accidentally" is the right word for describing how he shot himself. Did he think that the hammer strike would rain down puppies and ice cream? Kris Kross on a crutch, some people's kids.

Edit: I misspelled Kris Kross.

Nick1911
June 16, 2006, 04:48 PM
The teen said he had a .22 caliber cartridge in vice grips and hit the cartridge with a hammer an hour earlier near 28th and Q streets. It went off and hit his foot, he said.

He's lucky it hit his foot! That probably could have killed him.

On a practial note, i though a .22 case would just blow out the brass? Perhaps there was enough case support provided by the vice-grips?

bigun15
June 16, 2006, 04:57 PM
Well...he should have joined THR.

S&WIowegan
June 16, 2006, 05:01 PM
...the way he said. An unsupported cartridge won't fire a bullet into a guys foot. Bet the kid's buddy shot him accidentally/on purpose and they made up a BS story for the hospital and cops.

Trust me on this:rolleyes:

Bob.

Punkermonkey
June 16, 2006, 05:04 PM
Maybe we should call for a ban on vice-grips....

EddieCoyle
June 16, 2006, 05:16 PM
An unsupported cartridge won't fire a bullet into a guys foot. Bet the kid's buddy shot him accidentally/on purpose and they made up a BS story for the hospital and cops.

Trust me on this

I'm with S&WIowegan in calling BS on this. I tried it when I was a kid - almost exactly as descibed in the story - except instead of my foot, I "aimed" it at a stack of newspapers to see how far it would penetrate. The results? No penetration at all, just a hard to see dent in the top of the paper.


Maybe we should call for a ban on vice-grips...
It's for the children.

Backfired
June 16, 2006, 05:28 PM
I believe the story cuz I've seen kids do stupider things than that. I remember seeing a bunch of boys taping the butt of a .22 round onto the muzzle of a BB gun with electricians tape. It wasn't too accurate but it did fire the round reliably and the .22 case didn't rupture. When they decided to try a center-fire round (can't remember the the caliber) I talked them out of it.

LaEscopeta
June 16, 2006, 05:37 PM
Growing up, there was a kid who moved into our neighborhood who had a scar on the inside of his thigh. He said he had a rimfire cartridge on a flat rock and was squatting down to hit it with a hammer. After several blows it went off and something came back and hit his thigh. He assumed the round spun around while he was hitting it and the bullet hit him, but after reading on this site about tests of unconfined cartridges going off, Iím thinking the shell, or part of it, came back and hit him. It was a jagged shallow wound, and the kid said the doctor pulled the bullet (or whatever) out with forceps, while the kid was awake.

I didnít see any of the above happen, but I think I remember it there was some confirmation. Iím not saying the kid in the in the story above was not shot by his buddy, and made up the hammer and vise grips story. But I do believe it is possible to injure yourself by making an unconfined cartridge go off right next to you.

jqbagley
June 16, 2006, 05:38 PM
A 19 year old is usually described as a man in the papers. I guess I must be paranoid to think there's an agenda here.

hjames000
June 16, 2006, 05:45 PM
I never tried a RF round but I once (age 14) set off a shotgun primer.

I emptied the shot and powder from the round and secured the brass in a bench vise. I then used a finishing nail and a ball peen hammer to complete the process.

The sound was indistinguishable from a full round. The finishing nail hit me in the chest ( no shirt) and hung there just barely penetrating the skin.

1911Tuner
June 16, 2006, 05:48 PM
psyopspec...I'm fallin' out here...ROFL!

Lou629
June 16, 2006, 05:53 PM
I have always been told that a round going off without a chamber, etc. would more-or-less 'pop' like a 1" firecracker. I've never personally seen this ( and was never stupid enough to attempt it myself ) but the idea and the physics behind it seem to make sense. My first thoughts after reading it is that the story is probably some sort of Bravo Sierra concocted for the LEO's who showed up at the hospital to investigate a gunshot wound.

Live Free Or Die
June 16, 2006, 06:00 PM
Unless he had the bullet wedged against his bare foot, and the case held tightly with the vice grips, I'm also skeptical that he hurt himself in the manner he described.

geekWithA.45
June 16, 2006, 06:09 PM
I too am skeptical.

I'm putting it on my "instant replay" list for the afterlife.

Yeah, I got a growing list of stuff to take up with god at the end of this run...

Mikee Loxxer
June 16, 2006, 07:13 PM
If he is uncooperative as described I too would be inclined to think his story is BS. I'll bet he was party to some kind of incident and is trying to cover something up.

1911Tuner
June 16, 2006, 07:21 PM
I'll call his story BS...but also possible. Not long ago, I did an experiment with a .45 Auto in which I created .020 inch of clearance per side around the bullet... :rolleyes: ...with only a fairly worn chamber to contain the pressures. When fired with a 230-grain bullet loaded in front of a hardball-equivalent charge of powder, the slide was driven rearward far enough to barely kick the empty clear of the port. So...Possible.

B36
June 16, 2006, 07:23 PM
Anti BS spray is in order:uhoh: :uhoh: it was an :uhoh: .

Harry Paget Flashman
June 16, 2006, 07:28 PM
Back in ~1959 a neighbor kid was smashing .22's on the sidewalk with a hammer. Friends and I were stupidly standing around and watching. On the third or fourth .22 he got hit with a bullet or brass in his left forearm. It was a pretty nasty puncture wound and I do not know how he explained it to his folks.

stevelyn
June 16, 2006, 07:29 PM
I guess I must be paranoid to think there's an agenda here.

No you're not. I noticed that this sawdust-brained idiot who shouldn't have survived to adulthood was described as setting off the round with a pair of Vise Grips and a hammer. Yet the article states he was being treated for a gunshot wound.

Question.......Where's the gun that makes this a gunshot wound????:scrutiny:

I agree that a significant penetrating wound requiring an ER visit couldn't occurr the way this fool described it and something else is going on.

Lou629
June 16, 2006, 08:16 PM
Yeah, I got a growing list of stuff to take up with god at the end of this run.

You too? :)

1911Tuner
June 16, 2006, 08:45 PM
stevelyn wrote;

>I agree that a significant penetrating wound requiring an ER visit couldn't occurr the way this fool described it<
****************************

Must beg to disagree. It could have happened just that way. Do I believe that it did in this particular case? Not really...but it could have.

Two points to consider:

1...In my experiment, where essentially only a worn chamber and a breechblock, and a casing was used to launch a .45 caliber lead bullet, the bullet penetrated deeply enough into the hard, dry ground...The notorious Red Clay of the Southeastern US...that if it had hit a foot, it would have gone clear through to the floor.

2...Keep in mind that with home-made zip guns that were often constructed with nothing more than a loose-fitting tube, .22 rimfire rounds have penetrated the human torso deeply enough to get into the vitals and cause death. The vise grips would contain the pressures well enough to provide substantial velocity to the bullet. Could easily have shot well past skin deep into his foot.

DoubleTapDrew
June 16, 2006, 09:06 PM
I'd call BS too. It's not impossible but I really doubt it. Just think...if this is his cover up story, just imagine how idiotic what really happend was!

1911Tuner
June 16, 2006, 09:15 PM
LOL Doubletap...I dunno. I've done some pretty stupid things at that age.:rolleyes:

Cuerte Kid
June 16, 2006, 09:37 PM
Odd story, but not entirely impossible. I do however think it was shot from a gun and the guy who got shot doesn't want to get the other guy in trouble.

1911Tuner
June 16, 2006, 09:56 PM
Quote:

>Odd story, but not entirely impossible. I do however think it was shot from a gun and the guy who got shot doesn't want to get the other guy in trouble.<
***********

Or maybe the responsible adult who owns the gun, and has told Junior to stick to the story.

Greg L
June 16, 2006, 11:09 PM
A simple solution would be to check the bullet for rifiling marks....

1911Tuner
June 16, 2006, 11:16 PM
Greg wrote:

>A simple solution would be to check the bullet for rifiling marks....<
*************

Aha...:scrutiny:

Tommygunn
June 17, 2006, 12:49 AM
An unsupported cartridge won't fire a bullet into a guys foot.~~ S&WIowegan.



One of my cousins, as a young and rather naive kid, got a hold of some .22 ammo and proceeded to lay the rounds on the garage floor to their house and hit it with a hammer. One round went off and entered his lower abdomen.
The doctors that treated him believed it would be more dangerous to remove the bullet than to leave it where it was, so to this day, some 50 years later, he still has a .22 bullet inside him.
It can happen.

WeedWhacker
June 17, 2006, 04:45 AM
I never tried a RF round but I once (age 14) set off a shotgun primer. I emptied the shot and powder from the round and secured the brass in a bench vise. I then used a finishing nail and a ball peen hammer to complete the process.
I'd *thought* of doing the same with a cartridge and a vice on a workbench, but decided I should start small: .270 primers and a six-pound sledge on the concrete pad behind my folks' house. It sure seemed fun smacking a primer and letting it throw the sledge back up into the air... never did try the live cartidge thing (whew).

Yep, most likely a "friend" shot him in the foot. Thankfully, it wasn't fatal, and maybe all involved will learn from this relatively inexpensive lesson.

shooting time
June 17, 2006, 09:03 AM
maybe they were trying to make a zip gun

Kentak
June 17, 2006, 09:31 AM
Hang on. I gotta find my Vice Grips and I'll report back to ya.

K

Tim Burke
June 17, 2006, 09:56 AM
I can think of 3 reasons why an unsupported cartridge doesn't usually propel the bullet at any significant speed.
1- If the cartridge pressure is high enough, the brass will rupture, venting the pressure to the atmosphere. I don't know that 22 LR will rupture in this scenario; I doubt it.
2- If the brass and the bullet are both free to move, they will move in opposite directions, with roughly the same force acting on both of them. Since F=ma and the bullet is usually heavier than the brass, it accelerates less.
3- Even if the brass doesn't rupture, and isn't free to move, once the bullet leaves the brass the pressure is vented to the atmosphere. From that point on, there should be no more acceleration.
I don't think reasons #1 & #2 apply here, but #3 does. I have doubts about this story, but not enough to be absolutely convinced it's false.
I like GregL's simple and elegant solution to determining the truth.

1911Tuner
June 17, 2006, 01:01 PM
Tim...You'd be surprised at how hard a bullet will accelerate by just being fired from supported brass without a barrel to spike the pressure. Enough to drive a 1911 slide to near full travel and bury a 230-grain lead bullet out of sight into dry Carolina clay.

Deer Hunter
June 17, 2006, 11:50 PM
A 19 year old is usually described as a man in the papers. I guess I must be paranoid to think there's an agenda here.

In any other scenario, he would be considered a man. However, if there's anything to do with guns in the article, someone under 21 automatically becomes a "child".

Ol` Joe
June 18, 2006, 01:20 AM
When I was 10 or so I watched my cousin (~ same age) wack 22 shorts placed between a couple cinder blocks with a hammer..........:what:

Pretty uneventful as I remember. They popped like a cap, the bullet stayed between the bricks, the case didn`t even split, two or three rds and we tired of it.

The NRA did a test some time back on ammo in a fire and found ammo when unconfined went off with out enough force to penatrate a cardboard box placed over them. This was centerfire rifle and handgun ammo. My bro in law is a retired fireman who claims he has been in fires where ammo was heard popping off and never saw it damage or harm anything. I doubt a pair of vice grips will contain pressure to any point that would cause the pressures to rise and the bullet to expell with any more force then a fire or shell under a brick hit by a hammer.
I think the kid is BS`ing and the cops know it.

qlajlu
June 18, 2006, 01:56 AM
...when they kill themselves because they're stupid it takes them out of the gene pool.
Well put. Very well put and oh, so true. :cool:

BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE
June 18, 2006, 03:00 AM
My brother put a .22 in a vice one time for stupid reason that I cant remember he still has the scare on his arm from the shell exploding and shrapnel going into his arm. But the bullet never actually fired from the shell, if it would have it would have gone through the sheetrock and hit me, making a very sh**ty Christmas.:what:

Tried'nTrue
June 18, 2006, 04:16 AM
Concerning the usage of the word "teenager" to describe the injured party - I've no doubt that the reporter who wrote the story, or perhaps the editor who proofed it, was wanting an anti-gun message to be sent. If the 19-year-old is merely a teenager, and not a man, then he lacks the powers of adult reasoning that would've kept him away from the inherently evil and dangerous gun. Remember, the *only* thing that guns do is harm innocent children or bystanders... :barf:

Waitone
June 18, 2006, 07:22 AM
The story brings back some painful memories for me. Didn't get hurt. . . . by the round. Got a serious case of negative behavior correction from my father when he caught me with a pair of pliers and a hammer working on a .45ACP. Never tried it again.

snowtigger
June 18, 2006, 01:04 PM
One thing we have to take into account. This article was written by a reporter. This"bullet wound" was more likely a piece of brass from the case.
1959 was a bad year for kids with hammers and access to 22 ammo. I was visiting an older friend (13), and he wanted to show me a neat trick. He placed a 22 round on an anvil, and hit it with a hammer. It made a satisfying pop. About the third or fourth time, he said OUCH!! and grabbed his upper thigh. There was blood showing through his jeans.
Both his folks were at work, so we went to a neighbor. She happened to be a nurse at the local hospital. She removed a piece of brass from his leg, and after much pleading from him, agreed not to tell his folks.
I think it far more likely a piece of the partially supported case penetrated his foot. Youngsters ALL do stupid things, just some do not get caught. :banghead:

CNYCacher
June 19, 2006, 01:10 PM
My take on it is he ND'd into his foot with his illegally-acquired pistol.

Roadwild17
June 19, 2006, 01:39 PM
Stupid is like stupid does

offthepaper
June 19, 2006, 01:58 PM
Quote:
"My take on it is he ND'd into his foot with his illegally-acquired pistol."
---------------
Hmmmm?:scrutiny:

Zero_DgZ
June 19, 2006, 02:13 PM
I'd doubt the bullet went too far.

Couple of years ago I was fooling around in the woods with my old Tec-9 with some friends. You know the Tec-9 drill - Rack, bang, bang, jam, curse, rack, bang, jam, curse again, rack, bang, jam...

Suffice to say about 40% of my ammo was getting mangled on the feed ramp and I didn't want to try to feed most of it again. So I didn't.

Cut to a few minutes later and I find that one of the dimmer members of the party has set up a round on top of a pyle a little ways away and is taking aim at the primer with his air rifle. "What the eff do you think you're doing?" I demand of him, "Even if you do hit that thing - which you won't, because I know your aim - the casing's probably going to hit you right between the eyes. So don't effing do it, I'm warning you."

Famous last words: "I know what I'm doing."

Couldn't talk him out of it, so I got 'round the opposite side of a rather beefy tree and put my earmuffs bacn on while he lets it fly. Miss, miss, bang! Stray piece of fragmented brass catches him in the left hand.

He wasn't hurt very badly at all. We picked the sliver of brass out with the pliers on my multi-tool and he bled for a couple of minutes and that was it. But it learned him real good, I'm sure.

The other end of this story (perhaps literally...) was that we shortly thereafter found the bullet from this round. It was lying in the dirt about five feet away from the pyle and its shiny copper jacket gave it away. I don't know how far it really went because the pyle was maybe three feet tall to begin with. But it didn't go far, and if the bullet had actually hit somebody it wouldn't have done a thing to 'em.

DF357
June 19, 2006, 02:14 PM
Unsupported .22's can kill you !

My son was sitting around a campfire. My nephew had just swept out a pile of sawdust from his cellar workshop, and unknown to him there was a .22 round in the sawdust.

Unknowingly, into the campfire it went. BANG ! My son had raised a coke can to his lips and screamed in pain. The round hit his right index finger that was holding the can to his mouth, tearing a big chunk out of the side of it and a hunk of bone. If his hand wasn't there it would have gone into his eye.

He went to the hospital where the Dr told him there wasn't enough skin in the area to pull together and that scar tissue would have to cover it. He still has metal embedded in what's left of his finger bone...He has the xrays.

Don't believe the unsupported rounds will do nothing BS you hear. I wish people would stop passing on old wives tales. :banghead:

Manedwolf
June 19, 2006, 03:22 PM
I just find it a shame that when someone shows themselves to be as much of an evolutionary dead-end as this kid...that the bullet doesn't hit them somewhere more useful.

Like in the crotch. Before they have a chance to produce more morons.

cordex
June 19, 2006, 04:08 PM
When my little brother was much younger, he did something similar that resulted in some fragments of casing in his shoulder. Apparently, as soon as he realized that he had a chunk of metal that was where it shouldn't be, he grabbed a pair of tweezers, hopped into a shower so as not to bleed all over everything and rooted it out himself. No one found out about it until he was swimming one day and someone asked him where he got the big scar.

An unsupported cartridge going off can throw fragments. Those fragments can do some damage. That said, I can't help but think that if my brother could fix himself up and keep his mouth shut when he was eleven or twelve, this 19 year old probably should have done the same. Considering the circumstances and location of my brother's injury, it is hard to imagine a foot wound from the same type of situation being so horrible that it would require professional medical attention.

I can't really criticize my little brother's stupidity too much. One time I was behaving irresponsibly and somehow managed to burn my right shin to the point that the skin was dripping off of it. I took good care of it on my own and it healed wonderfully without infection.

So I guess that is what bugs me the most about this "teen". I can understand male stupidity (although, I'd hope that he wouldn't be so dumb at his age). What I can't understand is not just gritting his teeth and fixing it up himself. If the wound were more than he could reasonably handle himself, then I would tend to doubt his story about how he received it.

Old Fud
June 19, 2006, 04:32 PM
Year was 1953, I was 13. I found a .22 in the street and decided to make a really neet firecracker out of it.

I pulled the bullet -- I'm not STUUPID you know!. (It takes 2 pair of gas pliers. One holds the bulled casing, one the bullet, twist and yank. Of course, you are grunting and squeezing, and bent over to get better leverage, so at least one hand is pressed between your thighs as you do this work.)

Pour some of the powder out, fold the tip over with teh pliers and "WALLA" -- firecracker.

Now to lay it on the concrete and whang it with a hammer!

Some of the brass ricocheted off my forehead, creasing my eyebrow.
Bled like a slaughtered hog for over an hour.

Mom freaked.
Dad wanted to know only one thing --- where did I get the cartridge?

If'n I'd a gotten it from the in-house stash, I would have been in really deep dung, but seeing as I hadn't, he simply figured I might have learned a lesson and let me do my own first aid.

Did I learn anything from the experience?
Well, I never made that particular mistake again.

Fud.

c_yeager
June 19, 2006, 04:59 PM
Im pretty sceptical about this, however I think it *might* be possible that the vise-grips provided just enough support to the casing to allow for a little pressure buildup (maybe). The bullet didnt have to be going very fast to simply break the skin and wedge itself into his foot. I still dont reall buy the story though.

Ive seen two guys who managed to get shot in the foot and both of them were the result of idiots fooling around with guns in their pocket.

S&WIowegan
June 19, 2006, 05:20 PM
It seems we have broken the original story into two directions. One is can a cartridge cause damage if ignited outside a firearm? We have innumerable examples that it sure as heck can!

The other facet is do we believe it happened the way numb n*tz said it did. Could an unsupported cartridge fire a bullet into the guy's foot? Most of us who have experimented (done dumb things) don't think you can shoot yourself in the foot without a gun. The guy is LYING.

Bob.

the naked prophet
June 19, 2006, 05:53 PM
Even a hollowpoint .22 LR has a good chance of going clean through somebody's foot if it's fired from a pistol. If the bullet is lodged in there, either it hit a bone, or wasn't moving particularly fast to begin with.

And as to those who say that he is so stupid he should remove himself from the gene pool: half the posters on this thread have done something like that, though most have had better luck than this guy.

While it's certainly possible he's lying about it, there's an equally good chance he's not.

When holding a .22 cartridge in a pair of pliers or vice grips, and hitting it with a hammer, where is it pointed if you didn't think about where it's pointed? That's right - at your feet.

I would also like to point out that if the pressures in a .22 case could rupture the brass... then it wouldn't be a rimfire, would it? The rim is the thinnest part of the brass, due to the stamping method of manufacture, and if that doesn't rupture, then the case probably won't either, especially without a barrel holding that pressure back.

I noticed I had a pair of pliers that had a shape which fit a .22 cartridge pretty darn well. I stuck one in there and hit it with a hammer, taking pains to point it in a safe direction. It did pretty well, almost as well as a short barreled mini revolver. The case barely even expanded to the toothed shape of the pliers grip. It did not rupture.

AJAX22
June 19, 2006, 07:14 PM
While I lean towards the bs on this, it would be possible to use pliars that fit the contours of the bullet closely to achieve the desired results.

As far as bullets exploding in the fire, the danger isn't from the lead but from the brass casing.

I have a few in my colleciton somewhere that I found at the beach, the casing on a .22 when heated to ignition is soft enough that it opens like a flower and goes slicing through the air. it seems that if the bullet is nose down into the fire the brass goes alot further.

If the brass was supported well enough by a close fitting pair of pliars, maby a set of small hog ring pliars (not sure if thats the right name). it could discharge hard enough to fire.

I know we used to make wooden zip guns by drilling a close fitting hole in a piece of oak and slipping a .22 into it. we would set them off with a hammer or shooting the back with a bb gun.

we never pointed them at our feet of course, but I have to beileve that a pair of correctly shaped pliars would create a the scenario the guy describes.

An ND from a pos jennings would be alot more likely however.

CSA 357
June 19, 2006, 07:27 PM
I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A GUY THAT DID THIS , BUT BE PUT THE 22 IN A VISE THE LEAD PART ANY WAY AND HIT IT WITH A HAMMER! THE LEAD STAYED IN THE VISE, BUT THE BRASS CASE HIT HIM IN THE NOSE, OR SOME SHARP PIECES OF IT ANY WAY I DONT THINK HE EVER GOT ALL OF THEM OUT, HE WAS THE KIND OF KID THAT WAS ALWAYS WANTING TO DO SOMETHING CRAZY! THE LAST I HEARD OF HIM HE WAS COOKING METH AND BLEW HIS EYE OUT!*CSA*:rolleyes:

buzz_knox
June 19, 2006, 07:48 PM
I have always been told that a round going off without a chamber, etc. would more-or-less 'pop' like a 1" firecracker. I've never personally seen this ( and was never stupid enough to attempt it myself ) but the idea and the physics behind it seem to make sense. My first thoughts after reading it is that the story is probably some sort of Bravo Sierra concocted for the LEO's who showed up at the hospital to investigate a gunshot wound.

I agree there is more to this story, I just wanted to give you the results of a "science experiment" (i.e. stupid kid stunt). If one wraps the exposed ends of an extension cord around a .22 shell, insert the shell bullet first into gravel, and then plug the cord into an outlet, you will see an extremely bright flash from the cartridge and one of the loudest sounds you're likely to survive hearing. Oh, and there will be no evidence of said bullet or casing . . . and a whole lot of burn marks around the outlet.

jersey_emt
November 16, 2009, 07:54 PM
The worst I've done as a kid was taking a .22 LR cartridge and pulling out the bullet. The gunpowder would be poured into a little pile and lit, making a nice big flame for a second or two as the powder burned. Then I would take the empty case and whack the rim with a small hammer, which sounded like a small firecracker (a bit louder than a "ladyfinger" firecracker). I never had the nerve/stupidity to whack a cartridge complete with powder and bullet.

We'll never know if the kid was telling the truth and had a cartridge in a vice, or if he was actually shot from a .22 LR pistol.

The Lone Haranguer
November 16, 2009, 08:32 PM
Did he think that the hammer strike would rain down puppies and ice cream?

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Archie
November 16, 2009, 09:01 PM
There's something more to the story.

It could be the young man in question is holding back or not being forthcoming, and it could be the reporter is unaware of the details. (Like that never happens.)

With all respect to 1911 Tuner, a chamber only is much more efficient in directing pressure than an unsupported case. There is a fair amount of information in various books and magazines and I'm not going to cite them all here. A length of old style automobile antenna will accept a .22 long rifle case with some slop. It will channel the force sufficiently to propel a bullet. This is the basis for an old fashioned 'zip gun'.

Under the circumstances posited by some (AJAX22 at least) as holding the case tight in snugly fitting pliers, the effect would be to give some support to the sides of the case and it might, might generate more pressure than a totally unsupported case. Still, for the bullet to discharge with sufficient velocity to penetrate a foot? I'm skeptical. It might be a bit of the case, and the reporter simply wrong.

Several questions remain to me.

Was the young man wearing shoes, or barefoot?
What exactly penetrated the foot in question? The projectile or a bit of case?
If a projectile, are rifling marks evident?
How deep was the wound?

Finally, as Cordex points out; this kid is a wimp. I'd have pulled the projectile out with tweezers or something, cleaned out the wound with iodine or alcohol or something, bandaged it up and kept my yap shut. The kid is a dope as well. I've done some pretty edgy experimental work and never shot any part of my body with any fragments at all. There's a difference between 'experimentation' and 'stupid'.

Larry Ashcraft
November 16, 2009, 09:03 PM
This thread is from 2006!

Start a new one if you wish, but please don't drag old threads up from the dead.

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