President Bush gets Sniper Rifle from King Abdullah II


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Thin Black Line
June 16, 2006, 05:19 PM
Really:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/06/16/waisgate.pdf

Page 14 of the pdf (34690 of Federal Register).

Weapon: 50″ x 81⁄2″ black Dakota
Arms sniper rifle with an 8″
scope; held in a metal hinged
box embroidered on the inside
‘‘To My Dear Friend, George W.
Bush, Abdullah II’’ with a Jordanian
crown and the Great
Seal. Recd December 6, 2004.
Est. Value—$10000. Archives
Foreign.

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Wiley
June 16, 2006, 05:43 PM
Well, not really.

Any gift over a certain amount is a gift to the United States Government. President Bush doesn't get to keep it.

LAR-15
June 16, 2006, 06:43 PM
Dakota Arms makes hunting rifles not 'sniper rifles'

Chris Rhines
June 16, 2006, 07:20 PM
Dakota Arms makes hunting rifles not 'sniper rifles' Uh, not really.

http://www.dakotaarms.com/currentinventory/inventory_results.php?modelId=15

- Chris

MechAg94
June 16, 2006, 08:39 PM
I wonder how much money we spend on gifts to foreign dignataries? Aside from direct aid.

Sven
June 16, 2006, 09:37 PM
I'll take one of those in 338 Lapua with some fries on the side, thanks.

1 old 0311
June 17, 2006, 06:22 AM
Wonder if he had to fill out "the paper work":neener:

Kevin

Creeping Incrementalism
June 17, 2006, 06:46 AM
Any gift over a certain amount is a gift to the United States Government. President Bush doesn't get to keep it.

Okay--wow. That's a lot of guns, knives, and wine, if you read through the list. Does it just fill up a room somewhere, like that final scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or does it actually get used.

Any why does anything with "Lapua" in the name cost so much? Has anyone seen how much they charge for brass, and not just in propriety calibers?

Justin
June 17, 2006, 06:55 AM
Dakota Arms makes hunting rifles not 'sniper rifles'

There's a difference? :confused:

Wiley
June 17, 2006, 07:48 AM
Okay--wow. That's a lot of guns, knives, and wine, if you read through the list. Does it just fill up a room somewhere, like that final scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or does it actually get used.


You got it. It's all in the National Archives. It's all cataloged and stored. In any event everything a government employee is given is recorded. I 'think' that other government agencies may request items for use.

Also when the recipient leaves govenment service they may request that they be allowed to take some of the items they have been given.

Thin Black Line
June 17, 2006, 08:09 AM
Surely, there's a mechanism where although the President may not directly
retain a gift (over $350?) that it may still be indirectly given to him at a
later date after he's left office. This would negate the current conflict of
interest.

In one state I worked the maximum gift limit at the time was $20 or $30.
This meant that even a large Xmas ham would have to be refused. Yet, in
one locale an attorney under public contract gave the elected officials about
$60 each worth of steaks. Ironically, the same officials who determined
the public contracts ;)

mbt2001
June 17, 2006, 12:19 PM
Actually, I think that in this case the President would get to keep the rifle. It is ENGRAVED to him. Anyway, the line / page right before the rifle, he received a whole bunch of collectable guns from the same fellow. I wish I had friend's like that... :uhoh:

meef
June 17, 2006, 05:58 PM
I dunno.... seems to me like Abdullah might have made a "straw man" purchase...?

:scrutiny:

CAnnoneer
June 17, 2006, 10:59 PM
Grrrrrrr! Jorge does not deserve such gifts. Or, does he?

Kim
June 17, 2006, 11:38 PM
I wonder if Clinton got any guns or knives? Maybe the one he has on display in his Liebrary where there is praise of his great Assault Weapon Ban . Wonder if that display has been updated and states that his great Ban was not popular nor did it decrease crime and was NOT renewed 10 years later:D

DoubleTapDrew
June 17, 2006, 11:46 PM
I wonder if Clinton got any guns or knives? Maybe the one he has on display in his Liebrary where there is praise of his great Assault Weapon Ban . Wonder if that display has been updated and states that his great Ban was not popular nor did it decrease crime and was NOT renewed 10 years later

Heh. Someone should give him an EBR engraved with "To my friend Slick Willy, for keeping these out of the hands of law abiding citizens for 10 years"
Nah, he's not worth the $800-$1000.

4v50 Gary
June 17, 2006, 11:56 PM
That's one fine Presidential gift that should be sent to the sandbox for testing & evaluation. Afterwards, when the barrel is shot out, the gun and the logbooks could go to: Dubya Presidential Library; Springfield Armory National Monument; Smithsonian; or my home. :p

Hoppy590
June 18, 2006, 12:29 AM
thats sweet. if i remember correctly when ever a new president was sworn in the springfield armory ( the REAL one.) would give them a rifle of the age ( what ever rifle was being issued at the time) as im sure other companys trying for gov contracts probibly send stuff washington bound

Manedwolf
June 19, 2006, 11:58 AM
Considering that George said that he was in FAVOR OF renewing the AWB for the American people, I suppose he loudly refused it, right?

I hate hypocrisy.

And a reminder to this, as well:

Heh. Someone should give him an EBR engraved with "To my friend Slick Willy, for keeping these out of the hands of law abiding citizens for 10 years"

Again, Bush said he was in favor of renewing the AWB. Look it up. Yes, he said that.

MODERATOR: "Mr. President, new question, two minutes."

"You said that if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that you'd sign the legislation, but you did nothing to encourage the Congress to extend it. Why not? "

BUSH: "Actually, I made my intentions -- made my views clear. I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban, and was told the fact that the bill was never going to move, because Republicans and Democrats were against the assault weapon ban, people of both parties."
The third presidential debate on October 13, 2004 in Tempe, AZ.

"It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society."
Bush says White House Lax in Enforcing Gun Laws, Houston Chronicle, August 12, 1999

"The president has "made it clear he supports the extension of the assault weapons ban," said White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan.
Uphill Battle for Weapons Ban, Newsday, December 9, 2003.

"[w]ith regard to the assault weapons ban, [President Bush] supports the extension of the current ban."
White House spokesperson Claire Buchan on February 23, 2004.

He is NOT a friend of 2A.

engineer151515
June 19, 2006, 12:18 PM
Bottom of page 13 -

I'd love to have the 1884 Colt Revolver or the 1866 lever action Winchester.


:D

gopguy
June 19, 2006, 02:47 PM
It will likely end up at the Presidential library......however Abdullah II may get bagged by the BATF on his next visit to the US for making a straw man purchase.;)

Sam
June 19, 2006, 07:39 PM
Although gifts to government officials belong to the government, the individual has the option of purchasing it from the government at "fair market value"

Sam

DoubleTapDrew
June 20, 2006, 12:48 AM
He is NOT a friend of 2A.
I don't think anyone is implying he's a friend of the 2A. In fact I think he's become one of the most liberal Republican presidents ever (used to be seen more as a gunslingin cowboy of a president to some extent).
But on a positive note you do have to consider what we have right now (considering the number of venom-spitting anti's that are in office). The AWB DID sunset. We have "shall issue" in more states than ever. Castle Doctrine and stand your ground laws are spreading. I don't think we'd be doing quite this well with a democrat in office and help us all if Hillary gets in there.
Since the rifle is government owned and I AM the government where is the signup sheet so I can schedule my range time with it? :evil:

Lone_Gunman
June 20, 2006, 08:35 AM
We have "shall issue" in more states than ever. Castle Doctrine and stand your ground laws are spreading. I don't think we'd be doing quite this well with a democrat in office and help us all if Hillary gets in there.


Those are state issues, and it is unfair to give Bush credit for those, as he has had absolutely nothing to do with them. I have never even heard him mention castle doctrine, stand your ground, or shall issue.

Have you?

Low-Sci
June 20, 2006, 10:04 AM
Why is anything with the lapua name so expensive?

From my understanding of it, a big part of it is that .338 bullets are just starting to come into their own on a large scale. I think more bullet makers are starting to make match quality .338 bullets, so naturally Lapua can start charging a premium.

Then again, if its Dakota, that's whats probably making it expensive, not the fact that its chambered for .338 Lapua.

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