[JackStraw]

The term "Social Work" when applied to weapons is asinine.

Sounds like a "Social" worker got a hold of a combat shotgun how to.

Give me a break!

[boing]

Uh...

[Dave McCracken]

You're entitled to your opinion. I personally prefer the term "Serious" for shotgunning when it's human life or death on the line.

BTW, I know several "Social Workers" that shoot. One is probably better at it than either thee or me. Let's get away from stereotyping...

[JohnBT]

They both have the same goal in mind, don't they?

To encourage a change in behavior.

John

[Onslaught]

:rolleyes:

What a way to start off a membership.

Since opinions are like, well.....

The first time I read the term "Social Work", I knew exactly what it meant. Makes perfect sense, and is politically correct. What would you prefer? "fer Shootin People"?

My wife was a Social Worker for years, and in fact has her MSW... I don't think of her when I'm reading these threads.

Gimme a break.

What next "9mm is better than .45" over in the pistol forum?

[Badger Arms]

This poster is also selling a Benelli and Mini-14 magazines on this board and criticizing other members. Hmmmm, can we say, "ANTI-SOCIAL?"

[boing]

Unfortunately, interacting with other people means you just have to put up their quirks, and that includes figures of speech that you find annoying. This is especially true with the array of folks you meet on the net.

You can try to change people, or you can become a hermit, or you can employ the "get over it" strategy of mingling with the other humans.

The last one works best. :)

[JackStraw]

"This poster is also selling a Benelli and Mini-14 magazines on this board and criticizing other members. Hmmmm, can we say, "ANTI-SOCIAL?"

I'm not criticizing anyone. Just the terminology. I think "defensive shotgun" is a more appropriate description. And more legally sound.

BTW, I have a BS in psychology and a J.D. in law. And a well known mod can probably vouch for me and say that not only am I one the good guys, but probably can out shoot 98% of the shooting population.

It's not what you shoot but the guidance sys behind the weapon that counts so there won't be and 9mm v. 45 threads...at least by me.

This was just a casual observation.:)

[Badger Arms]

Well I thought I was being witty. Don't know how anybody else took it. You know, playing with the theme... Social Worker, Social Work, Anti-Social... get it?

[matis]

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... I think "defensive shotgun" is a more appropriate description. And more legally sound.
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You're being too literal and completely missing the delicious irony involved.

Calling a SD shooting situation "social work" satirizes the "do-gooder" aspect of social work.

If you look at the positions taken by most social worker organizations, "socialist worker" might be a more apt title. Most work for government and in the guise of helping people, they do what too many government agents do. Ask the home-schooling community what they think of the harassment they suffer at the hands of ignorant social workers who think themselves more "enlightened" than the rest of us.

And -- calling a SD shooting "social work" suggests what truly valuable social work might be: ridding society of cruel human predators and thereby preventing the victimization of future innocents.

Loosen up, Jack.

Matis

[JackStraw]

I get it now Badger. Very witty!

"If you look at the positions taken by most social worker organizations, "socialist worker" might be a more apt title. Most work for government and in the guise of helping people, they do what too many government agents do. Ask the home-schooling community what they think of the harassment they suffer at the hands of ignorant social workers who think themselves more "enlightened" than the rest of us."

So very true...

[Erick Gelhaus]

Come on guys...Can't we all just get along? :)

...Or, since it hasn't appeared on THR, do I need to post the definition of a serious social encounter?

[JackStraw]

We are getting along fine.

This is why I love this country. We can all have different opinions and still have a positive dialog. All about GUNS no less.

Try that in some other locals.

I would rather have a heated discussion with ANY gun aficionado than a pleasant agreeable conversation with an anti gun lib any day.

Remember our Constitution came out of a horrendous disagreement.

Just for the record...I am a big fan of rem870 DEFENSIVE shotguns ( I have at least a half dozen in diff configs). Alibet, I am going to build up an 1100 for 3gun matches. I grew up hunting with an 1100. Most reliable autoloader ever made. 21in rifle sight barrel, 10 shot mag tube (must have the bracket though) natural wood, ext chg handle and feed ramp. Is that a "Social Shotgun?"

[Classified00]

When asked by a freind recently why I needed a shotgun "like that" I replied ...

"To rehabilitate victims of society" :D

Brent...
:what:

[Onslaught]

I'm not criticizing anyone. Just the terminology.
Sure you were... Otherwise, none of us would have been quick to speak up, as most of us DO tend to be fairly humorous.

You can't walk into a forum with 4 (at the time) posts total, and the very first sentence on your very first post in that forum read
The term "Social Work" when applied to weapons is asinine. and not expect to be "mistaken" for a troll or troublemaker.

As long time members (and TFL alum) we can be very protective of our board, and our Moderators, who come up with such witty phrases as "social work"...

If you stick around, you will too.

[JackStraw]

I wil bet my bottom dollar that one of the mod's didn't come up with that terminology...It was borrowed. So even if you "mistakenly" thought I was attacking the writer, it was not the mod you are so endeared.

I belive the term came from Louis Awerbuck or the editor of his book..."The Defensive Shotgun."

I think I will hang around.;)

[El Tejon]

Thought it was the Guru?:confused: Anywho that's where I first heard it and Uncle Jeff was being witty in distinguishing using the weapon as a recreational tool.

I wouldn't call Uncle Jeff that here, Jack.:D He has his defenders (not that he needs them).

[Correia]

Oh heck. :D I know this guy. I guess that makes me the well known Mod.

A.T. is that you?

Well guys, trust me on this one. He is on our side, outshoots me about HALF the time ;) and knows far more about law and scumbag politicians than most of us ever will.

Welcome to THR Jack.

[Onslaught]

Well guys, trust me on this one. He is on our side,
I believe ya...

To be honest, right or wrong, I really should refrain from grumpy posting until after I get back from the gym at lunch anyway... My attitude is MUCH better. http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/ups/DeNiro/idiot.gif

Welcome Jack.

[Erick Gelhaus]

While I don't know the exact origin of the term "Social" for anti-personnel work with the shotgun, I remember where I read it the first time. I ordered a book by John Mattera titled "Serious Social Shotguns."

A few chapters into it, Mattera describes a trip to the range with a friend. Mattera asks the friend, a retired USMC Warrant Officer in the intel field who was also a retired NYPD officer, what he considered the secret of life. The reply as written was "Rottweilers, Randalls, Rolex watches, government models and serious social shotguns"

An explanation of each of the first four follows before Mattera writes the following:
"Now, for a serious social shotgun we must first define a serious social encounter. This is a meeting of two or more people, a meeting one or more persons does not wish to attend, such as a robbery, assault, rape or other unpleasantry. So, therefore, a serious social shotgun is a tool that said unwilling participant may use to end said meeting in a timely fashion, either bu sheer ominous presence or by putting an extremely large amount of lead in the air, directed toward the party of the first part."

Makes perfect sense to me. So, I'm pretty sure the use of the term "Social" is perfectly applicable here.

Erick

[JackStraw]

Well after you wax the bad guy / neighbor / little kid in the room closest to your back yard...and your on the stand/ deposition / interrogatories (to explain how you were in fear of your life at your criminal / and or civil trial...I would love you to answer these questions.

Sir do you know what this is?

Yes I do.

What is it.

It is the "Social Shotgun" that I used to kill said BG / N / KiR.

Why do you call it a "Social Shotgun."

Well I use it for social encounters.

Social encounters like when people come over to your house to see if you want to subscribe to the Watchtower? Just like the Plaintiff / Victim did.

No.

Sir is it safe to say that you see this weapon as a social engineering tool. To keep people in line. To weed out the bad people. To keep people from invading your space.

Well ahh no.

Sir, do you think it is your duty to rid society of its ills.

No no its not like that at all.

But that’s the message you conveyed to your shooting pals. That’s what you posted on THR. Isn't that correct.

Well I was trying to be witty.

This isn't a defensive weapon is it Sir, it is an offensive weapon and you used it without justification didn't you. Because if it was a defensive weapon you would fully understand the ramifications of it's use right?

Well yes, Ah I mean no.

I have no further questions.

...Have it your way, just something to think about.

[matis]

Jackstraw,

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But that’s the message you conveyed to your shooting pals. That’s what you posted on THR. Isn't that correct
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Yes, Jackstraw, that's what many trial lawyers do, in their effort to indicte (sp?) the victim or strip him of his assets and exonerate the predator so he can go scott-free to attack some later victims.

Under Communism, people had to look over their shoulder and constantly watch what they said and to whom they said it.

Many trial lawyers are helping to bring that to us here in the US, as well.

"Social work" is a great, derisory and satirical term for a SD shooting. It DOES NOT in any way indicate that we want to hurt or shoot anyone -- just that we are aware of our need and our right to defend ourselves or our loved ones from deadly attack.

Matis

[Onslaught]

Social encounters like when people come over to your house to see if you want to subscribe to the Watchtower? Just like the Plaintiff / Victim did.
OK, so I haven't been to the gym yet, but this DISCUSSION is getting assinine. (yes, I know I put two "S" es in asinine).

If you shot the Jehova's Witness guy by accident, you're screwed anyway. If you're in court regarding a justified defense of your life, and you CALL it a shotgun for "Social Work" then your legal Counsel should be HUNG for letting such an idiot on the stand.

And besides, the crack addict that beat down my front door with an axe handle didn't have any "Guidebook" subscription forms with him at the time.

We're borrowing the phrase because, in discussions, it makes us all sound less paranoid than calling it our "Home Invasion Defense" "SHTF" "EOTWAWKI" shotgun... Social Work sounds benign.

Moderator's buddy or not, you really enjoy arguing your case to the point of oxygen deprivation, don't you...

[El Tejon]

Jack, no one here, to my knowledge, takes that worldview. THR is a pro-education forum that understands the potential disasters of Problem #2. See, e.g., TFL/THR archives as to criticisms of violations of Rule #2 or #4 and their criminal/civil/administrative consequences.

Its members encourage education, safety, and being within the law as to self-defense. The "shoot them all, let Vishnu sort them out" is not present here and if it does show its gun shoppe commando self, it is quickly dispelled by members.

It is good to see another member of the bar. I believe your concerns, while valid, are unnecessary here.:)

[Onslaught]

Jack, no one here, to my knowledge, takes that worldview. THR is a pro-education forum that understands the potential disasters of Problem #2. See, e.g., TFL/THR archives as to criticisms of violations of Rule #2 or #4 and their criminal/civil/administrative consequences.
You guys are always so much more eloquently articulate than I am at getting the appropriate point across without added hostility... :D

No gym today... Just Hornsby's Draft at lunch http://www.glocktalk.com/images/smilies/drink.gif very similar effect...

[BigG]

I about fell outa my chair the first time a guy posted he preferred his 10mm Delta for "social work." :cool:

[Mannlicher]

Jack brags: BTW, I have a BS in psychology and a J.D. in law. And a well known mod can probably vouch for me and say that not only am I one the good guys, but probably can out shoot 98% of the shooting population."

..........and I say two things, if I had a JD degree, I would not brag about it, and you might outshoot 98% of the general population, but that might not hold true here.

Still, thats a lot of pompousness for this little group.

I have a shotgun for Social work myself.

[riverdog]

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[JackStraw]

"Maybe it's the Trap shooting snob in me, but now that Jack**** (BS, JD and a better shooter than 98% of the rest of us) is here ... Geez, a legend in his own mind.

Sorry, but if a well known mod will "probably" vouch for you then it must be true that he (or she) might not. It's amazing that someone who thinks he's so educated and skilled can join a board such as this and immediately piss-off a number of pretty nice guys.

Jack, you may think that you're a great guy but (those all important) first impressions indicate you are a pompous *** (in case you haven't figured it out by now).

BTW, Welcome to the Board.


Jack brags: BTW, I have a BS in psychology and a J.D. in law. And a well known mod can probably vouch for me and say that not only am I one the good guys, but probably can out shoot 98% of the shooting population."

..........and I say two things, if I had a JD degree, I would not brag about it, and you might outshoot 98% of the general population, but that might not hold true here.

Still, thats a lot of pompousness for this little group."

That’s the thing about the less mentally adept. When they disagree but cannot formulate a cogent counter point of view and support it with sufficient facts and circumstances, they start calling names.

I can disagree with someone’s position but don't have to resort to name calling...I leave that up to those tho are neither creative nor substantive in thought and prose.

Watch your typical liberal, they run the same play after play after play. That is truly sad. I used to take offense to that type of discourse but I have a really thick skin and understand that it is the individuals inadequacies that is the impetus for such statements.

Maybe I'm just used to discussing hypotheticals and gaming all sides of the issue. Those who cannot grasp that concept and become easily offended should toughen up. After all it's only a discussion.;)

[boing]

And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :p

[Mannlicher]

Jack

it almost sounds like you started this thread to hear your self talk. you can be who you want to be, I dont really care. enjoy the rest of your conversation solo.

[JackStraw]

Manny,

It takes two to have a conversation and if that means "WE" have to proceed without you then thats ok by me.

I like your moniker. I've always wanted to shoot a mannlicher.

Regardless of the offense taken at my opinion of the term "social shotgun," I am curious as to what type of shotguns you prefer?

Do you shoot shotguns much?

Do you keep one for "home defense?"

If you had to utilize the weapon in defense would you tell the cops that "it was a gun used to defend your home" or "that it was a gun utilized for social work."

[Erick Gelhaus]

Well, I think this one has played itself out. All that should be said, has been.