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Sportcat
June 17, 2006, 02:45 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/17/neworleans.shooting.ap/index.html

Five teens die in New Orleans shootout, police say
Police captain: 'Somebody wanted them dead'


NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Five people ranging in age from 16 to 19 were killed in a street shooting early Saturday, the most violent crime reported in this slowly repopulating city since Hurricane Katrina hit last August.

All were believed to have been gunned down while inside a sport utility vehicle that was found rammed against a utility pole in the Central City neighborhood just outside the central business district.

Authorities said they were looking for one or more suspects but did not elaborate.

Capt. John Bryson said police think the shootings were either drug-related or some type of retaliation attack.

"I think the motivation we're looking at is pretty obvious," he said. "Somebody wanted them dead."

Bryson said he could not remember the last time this many people were killed in once incident -- before or after Katrina. "I can't remember five," he said.

Four of the victims -- a 16-year-old, a 17-year-old and two 19-year-olds -- died at the scene.

Another 19-year-old, believed to be the brother of the youngest victim, died later at a hospital, police said.

There was no immediate word if any of the victims had been armed. Their identities were not immediately released.

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armedcitizen
June 17, 2006, 02:48 PM
Capt. John Bryson said police think the shootings were either drug-related or some type of retaliation attack.

"I think the motivation we're looking at is pretty obvious," he said. "Somebody wanted them dead."


With that level of penetrating insight and intelligence, he'll be chief within a year.

telomerase
June 17, 2006, 02:51 PM
Drug Prohibition kills a lot more people than hurricanes.

Cosmoline
June 17, 2006, 03:20 PM
With that level of penetrating insight and intelligence, he'll be chief within a year.

:D :D

Actually, I think a real chief would find a way to blame firearms.

thunder
June 17, 2006, 05:17 PM
Don't say New Orleans is "getting back to normal"... it's pretty hard for me to control my temper after reading something that ignorant.

You apparently have NO idea what is going on there. After writing something that asinine I don't see how you could. I spent my spring break a matter of weeks ago doing relief work in New Orleans. I saw sights I didn't know were possibly in America, or anywhere. This is coming from a guy who has traveled war-torn countries (Bosnia for example). No words can describe what is going on there. Devastation is everywhere.

I honestly don't know where to start to describe it. Drive down any road and your vision will be clouded by rubble piled on both sides of the street. Shrimp boats are docked on top of houses. Seeing a roof or shed in the middle of the road wasn't to uncommon. Many neighborhoods haven't even begun to be cleaned yet. While there, my group opened up a house for the first time since Katrina. It was indescribable.

The owner of that house related how a boy down the street was very sick when Katrina hit. He needed an ambulance to be moved for evacuation. His mother called 9-1-1 and was promised an amublance was on the way to get them out. No ambulance could come. When clearing out houses, that mother was found dead hugging her son.

Try to imagine what is going on there and how your post would make a New Orleans inhabitant feel. I take this very seriously, as I know many others on this board who have been in and out of New Orleans since Katrina do.

sm
June 17, 2006, 05:19 PM
John Casey, quotes about Crime:

The growth of drug-related crime is a far greater evil to society as a whole than drug taking. Even so, because we have been seduced by the idea that governments should legislate for our own good, very few people can see how dangerously absurd the present policy is.

Car Knocker
June 17, 2006, 05:41 PM
thunder,

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that crime in New Orleans is rising towards pre-Katrina levels as its population returns.

1 old 0311
June 17, 2006, 05:45 PM
Hi Thunder,

Maybe if they used their "free Katrina money" for vests, instead of big screen TV's, sex change operations, and champagne at Hooters they would still be alive.:neener:

Kevin

hoji
June 17, 2006, 06:00 PM
Yeah,
It is tough to conjure up sympathy for NO residents. They did CHOOSE to live below sea level.
We got our fair share of the "refugees" in Austin. The crime rate increased dramaticly but there are no stats published yet, my info is coming from ancedotal reports from active duty LEOs.
The tattoo shops did a booming buisness on the FEMA cards here, as did the bars, strip clubs, and outcall modeling services[ They even ran ads stating FEMA cards accepted}
New Orleans was an armpit before Katrina. Best thing that could happen is to let the swamp have it back.

Monkeyleg
June 17, 2006, 06:18 PM
Sounds like The High Road to me. :barf:

Sportcat
June 17, 2006, 06:24 PM
thunder,

As others have said, perhaps I should have phrased it: "Katrina crime-levels returning back to normal." I have no sympathy for those who live that life style of drugs and violence - no matter where they live and what they have been through.

You are a much better man than I for going down there and helping to rebuild. I just hope that those you are helping to rebuild appreciate your hard work and try to make NO a better place than before.

22-rimfire
June 17, 2006, 06:31 PM
I do have sympathy for the residents of New Orleans and Southern Mississippi. I know or knew it would take years to rebuild, but from what has been said, things are not moving very fast. There should not be roofs in the middle of the street or debris in the middle of a street. The public works people should have that all cleared away long ago.

New Orleans Crime? Every city has crime. I have no idea if crime is rising, but as the population returns, it is a reasonable assumption that crime will increase with the population. That is especially true of the less affluent folks where the crime rate tends to be highest generally.

The recent report on Fox news that a lot of the construction and cleanup work that is being done in New Orleans is done by the illegal "immigrant". Where are all the good folks of New Orleans that needed jobs?

Nothing is going to happen unless you make it happen.

craig
June 17, 2006, 06:32 PM
thunder... i've seen destruction like that, though not as widespread. andrew 1992, south dade.

the majority of people there in dade, actually got off their butts and cleaned up their own neighborhoods, and actually helped each other out instead of crying and whining for everything.

now, there were some areas where the people were crying for help, but guess what?

they were so lazy, they wouldn't even clean their own streets so people could help them out, and when help did arrive, most of the stuff was stolen/then sold for "other things".

as far as i'm concerned, n.o. is full of idiots. they reelected nagin so they got exactly what they deserved.

if that place got flattened it'd rank right up there with southern cal. falling off the continent, "no great loss."

HankB
June 17, 2006, 06:41 PM
I honestly don't know where to start to describe it. Drive down any road and your vision will be clouded by rubble piled on both sides of the street. Shrimp boats are docked on top of houses. Seeing a roof or shed in the middle of the road wasn't to uncommon. Many neighborhoods haven't even begun to be cleaned yet.I guess the approximately $60,000,000,000 - $100,000,000,000 the rest of the nation has coughed up (so far!!) for NOLA ran out before dump trucks and front-end loaders could be hired.

The money was spent . . . how? What is there to show for it?

(BTW, Hooters said that if FEMA provides them with an address, they'll send a refund for the $200 bottle of champaign that was bought with one of their disaster debit cards.)

XLMiguel
June 17, 2006, 06:52 PM
thunder, having spent a bit of time in NO pre-katrina, I'm inclined to agree with those who postulate that crime levels are getting back to 'normal'. I don't know if it's because of the displaced returning after graduate thuggery courses in Houston & Dallas, or whether it's junior thugs rising up to fill the vacuum, but NO was and is a very dangerous/corrupt place.

Though I sort of appreciate your [misplaced?] compassion, and agree that there's plenty of tradgedy to go around, there's a permeating and pervasive entitlement/welfare/we be not responsible/laiseze bon temps rollez culture there. Case in point : FEMA cash cards. AS Leno pointed out, 'it's a good thing FEMA was so ioncompetant/late to the party, otherwise it might ahve been much worse . . ."

God bless those who help themselves, God damn the parasites & opportunists.

Larry Ashcraft
June 17, 2006, 07:18 PM
Not sure this is High Road material at all, but being new at this mod stuff, I'm just going to move it to L&P.

Some good points made so far, BUT...

Play nice. :scrutiny:

del4
June 17, 2006, 07:24 PM
I have worked in N.O. and south La. for the past few months. My brother, sister and her husband lost there homes because of Katrina. I have met some of the greatest people there.

That said, N.O. is a first class armpit. I have watched volunteers pick up trash and the residents watch them. There are many places there that looked like the storm just hit. Ivan's damage was a fraction of Katrina's and there is almost no effort in cleaning up. Pensacola had armies of trucks, people and equipment all over the place cleaning up after Ivan. People that werent insured are being bought out by the government.

Ever since I was a kid, La. politics was crooked and N.O. was a nasty, crime ridden city. Today there's always a murder or a cop getting shot. Car accidents happen many times a day, traffic is terrible. They had a chance to turn it around but they are deciding not to.

Leanwolf
June 17, 2006, 07:38 PM
There was a long article in TIME MAGAZINE, I believe the May 23 (?) issue, about this very subject: crime in New Orleans.

Apparently just before Katrina hit, N.O. was experiencing the highest murder rate in the U.S. After Katrina hit, and the evacuation to other cities took place, crime dropped like a bullet (no pun intended :) ). But violent crime, including murders, increased substantially in the various cities where the refugees went, including the various gangstas from N.O. They immediately began practicing all the crimes they had done almost without attention in N.O.

Now, as the gangstas are drifting back to N.O., as stated above, "things" are getting back to normal, as the gangstas are back in the business of drug dealing and killing. Nothing has changed: it was just put on hold for a few months.

FWIW. L.W.

S&W 910
June 17, 2006, 08:11 PM
You are all being unfair judging all of NO because of a few parasites

Fema probably gave out aid to over 250,0000 people,they found maybe 2,000
cases of wasteful spending and fraud

Look at the fraud and wasteful spending in Iraq via halliburtan,i bet it adds up to more then the money that was spent fraudulently from FEMA

As far as the good people not deserving to get money from the government after Katrina,thats bull as well

NO was not destroyed by Katrina,it was destroyed when the government built levee system failed

The people of NO paid taxes to the government for protection from disaster,the companies who use the port of new Orleans pays the highest port fees in the world for NO to be safe to do business

when those levees failed,the government is partly to blame

Louisiana has been begging for years for money to update the levee system,all they got was patch work money,and we seen the results.

it would have cost 14 billion to completely redue the levee system

the government said 14 billion was to much to protect a city with the history of new orleans and the countries most important port,but the same government says its ok to spend 500 billion destroying and rebuilding Iraq

The irony

hoji
June 17, 2006, 08:18 PM
Fema probably gave out aid to over 250,0000 people,they found maybe 2,000
cases of of wasteful spending and fraud


Because these were the dumbest of the dumb. Most simply took cash out of an ATM and spent it.

Car Knocker
June 17, 2006, 08:44 PM
The people of NO paid taxes to the government for protection from disaster,the companies who use the port of new Orleans pays the highest port fees in the world for NO to be safe to do business

when those levees failed,the government is partly to blame

Louisiana has been begging for years for money to update the levee system,all they got was patch work money,and we seen the results.


And what about the responsibility of the Orleans Parish Levee Board?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9232666/site/newsweek/

Sportcat
June 17, 2006, 08:44 PM
You are all being unfair judging all of NO because of a few parasites

Fema probably gave out aid to over 250,0000 people,they found maybe 2,000
cases of wasteful spending and fraud

Look at the fraud and wasteful spending in Iraq via halliburtan,i bet it adds up to more then the money that was spent fraudulently from FEMA

As far as the good people not deserving to get money from the government after Katrina,thats bull as well

NO was not destroyed by Katrina,it was destroyed when the government built levee system failed

The people of NO paid taxes to the government for protection from disaster,the companies who use the port of new Orleans pays the highest port fees in the world for NO to be safe to do business

when those levees failed,the government is partly to blame

Louisiana has been begging for years for money to update the levee system,all they got was patch work money,and we seen the results.

it would have cost 14 billion to completely redue the levee system

the government said 14 billion was to much to protect a city with the history of new orleans and the countries most important port,but the same government says its ok to spend 500 billion destroying and rebuilding Iraq

The irony

Did the "government" cause this shooting to take place? I don't think so. I don't care how "corrupt" the government is, these parasites still took advantage of the system, and still are breaking the law.

thunder
June 17, 2006, 09:12 PM
Stirred up quite a bit of conversation

I see what you were trying to say Sportcat, I agree with your opinion as well. I think I was misreading you. I still believe in the statements made though (and hope you didn't take my post to harshly, I'm very blunt).

NOLA is a crime invested place, I even was witness to a drug deal and plenty of prostitution (well, the clothed part) while spending an evening in the French Quarter. While my heart doesn't ache as much for those who NOLA might be famous for (thugs and such), meeting people who lived through such tragedy gives a face to Katrina. Seeing it on the news didn't make it real for me, being there did.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that these people are real. They have friends, families, and each an individual story about how Katrina killed their city. It will never be the same. It's easy to live in an air conditioned, electrical, and safe house while people live with absoutely nothing there. Some were good people, some were not.

BTW, the devastation is just as I described it. I'm happy to post pictures of what I saw while down there, I just have to figure it out first.

bouis
June 17, 2006, 09:13 PM
As a former resident of both New Orleans and South Mississippi, let me say that the Louisiana local governments are corrupt beyond belief, especially in New Orleans. Most of the suffering that happened there was a result of their ineptitude.

That said, most, if not all of the work to clean up down there is being done by outsiders. The locals take the FEMA checks, and won't work either because they don't have to, or because they're afraid the money will stop coming if they do. When I went home for Christmas the fast food places were offering signing bonuses and $12 an hour, and Wal*Mart couldn't get enough to employees to stay open after 10 PM. This was in an area that had its population literally double, by some estimates triple, after the storm.

Now there's a lot of work still being done down there. In May I went back again and what did I see? A bunch of locals sitting around while Mexicans and contractors from all different plaes were building houses.

And who is responsible for this? Sure, the people are, and the local governments too -- but this kind of corruption and laziness couldn't exist without the Federal government. It built and subsidized the slums and projects in New Orleans, made the people there rely on it, then when the **** hit the fan and the Feds couldn't save them, the people turned out to be just as helpless as we always knew they were. It makes me sick to think about it.

Edit: and, here in Oxford, we recently had a drive-by shooting orchestrated by a pair of New Orleans "refugees."

S&W 910
June 17, 2006, 09:19 PM
And what about the responsibility of the Orleans Parish Levee Board?


There is plenty of blame to go around.

The local leval did a pretty damn good job all these years maintaining a 40 year old underfunded levee system that was only designed to protect against a catagory 3 storm

The system needs to rebuilt for todays catagory 5 storms,and a poverty striken city that cant properly fund its fire and police departments is not going to have 14 billion to spend on new levees


as far as the shooting in no,i am in no way defending that scum,i would rather save money by having a bullet put in thier heads the minute they are proven guilty, then the costs of prison,appeals,and leathel injection

all i am saying dont judge all the people of new orleans and surrounding areas by the scum that is put in the news.

cropcirclewalker
June 17, 2006, 10:48 PM
I am saddened by this string.

Nowhere in the constitution is there an authorization for fed.gov to be in the disaster relief business.

Davy Crockett was very eloquent on this matter. http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

This whining by the victims and the victims supporters only tells us how much of a socialist country we have become.

How about Galveston in 1900? How about Chicago in 1891 (I think, the Chicago fire)? San Fransisco Earthquake back in 1906?

Fed.gov didn't rebuild any of those cities.

My neighbor's house burned down last summer. Fed.gov isn't rebuilding their house.

Quitcher Bitchin and get to work.

S&W 910
June 17, 2006, 11:02 PM
a natural disaster did not ruin the city,it was the failure of goverment built levees

levees that people paid taxes on.levees the goverment told citizens and buisness would protect the city and thier property


nobody seems to complain about 9-11 family members getting a million dollar
check after 9-11 or what they did with it

cropcirclewalker
June 17, 2006, 11:15 PM
I'm sorry, Mr. 910, but you just aren't paying attention.

I know that fed.gov (congress) is supposed to build post roads and post offices, but where is it said that they are supposed to build levees?

I got no levee around my house. Is it just the New Orleans levees? Equal Protection? That's in the constitution.

Maybe the state of Louisana should build the levee.

I ask again, where is it written in the constitution?

S&W 910
June 17, 2006, 11:41 PM
crop,study your history

the reason new orleans was built in the first place was for shipping through the miss river trough new orleans.researh how much of this countrys products come through new orleans ports and you will see why it is so important


how about this

let louisiana have complete control of all income for all imports and exports that goes through of new orleans.

let louisiana have all of the tax money the goverment gets from the oil industry using la's gulf coast(the governer is fighting for this now as la gets such a small %)

If La got its fair share of the money the Us economy makes off it, it would be fair for LA to pay for thier own levees,but that is not case



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana


New Orleans is also an industrial and distribution center, and one of the busiest seaports in the world. The Port of New Orleans is the largest U.S. port for several major commodities including rubber, cement and coffee.





http://www.lacoast.gov/watermarks/1999c-summer/2offshore/

Louisiana Offshore Oil and Gas Activity
Eighteen percent of U.S. oil production originates in, is transported through, or is processed in Louisiana coastal wetlands with a value of $6.3 billion a year. Almost 24 percent of U.S. natural gas production originates in or is processed in Louisiana’s coastal wetlands with a value of $10.3 billion a year.

Louisiana’s OCS (outer continental shelf) territory is the most extensively developed and matured OCS territory in the United States. It has produced 88.8 percent of the crude oil and condensate and 83.2 percent of the natural gas extracted from all federal OCS territories from the beginning of oil and gas exploration and development in the U.S. through the end of 1996.

As of December 1998, Louisiana offshore leases totaled 5,363, with more than 27 million acres under lease, 130 active drilling rigs, 4,489 producing oil wells and 3,813 producing gas wells.

Our latest annual production data for 1997 shows that 353,846,995 barrels of oil and 3,881,352,353 MCF (thousand cubic feet) of natural gas were produced. Between January and July 1998, oil production was at 227,282,332 barrels, with gas at 2,281,832,468 MCF.

Louisiana’s coastal wetlands contribute 28 percent to the total volume of U.S. fisheries.

As of October 1998, there were 3,439 platforms in the Gulf off Louisiana’s coast.

In 1997, oil and gas production was valued at a combined total of $18.6 billion, with federal royalties totaling $2.9 billion.






notice the last sentence" with federal royalties totaling $2.9 billion.". and this is 1997.
if louisiana got this money they could afford to build there own levees

cropcirclewalker
June 17, 2006, 11:57 PM
Mr. 910, thank you for all that useful information, but you failed to answer my question.

I most likely agree that fed.gov is taking lots of revenue from the industries of Louisana. It's a cryin shame. Most of which is probably unconstitutional too.

fed.gov is outa control and needs to be stifled. We agree, but there is still no provision for fed.gov to do disaster relief.

S&W 910
June 18, 2006, 12:29 AM
MR.Crop ,i completely agree

and its my opinion that the federal government should not have to pay for disaster relief

BUT,my point is new orleans was not destroyed by a natural diaster

its was flooded by the Mississippi river because of failures of an underfunded ,outdated government built levee system that the government said would protect the city

if the levees would have done their job,Katrina would have been just another Strom that new Orleans has seen plenty of times before

if new Orleans would have been destroyed like Florida hurricanes by wind and rain,i don't think the government should be responsible

but it is all wishful thinking on my part,if Louisiana got all the money from shipping and oil the politicians would just steal it.

one former Governor is currently in jail for taking bribes to give casino licenses

they have a current US rep on tape taking a 100,000 bribe and found 10,000 of it in his freezer

the mayor before nagin is probably the biggest crook in the world,several of his friends and brother have been indited for illegal dealings with the city,i cant wait to read that he has been arrested

bouis
June 18, 2006, 01:36 AM
910: I agree with a lot of what you say but one thing -- it was the leevies along the lake and the supporting canal network that failed.

The part of New Orleans along the river is actually higher up and a lot of it wasn't flooded.

Peet
June 18, 2006, 09:08 AM
a natural disaster did not ruin the city,it was the failure of goverment built levees

I like a good joke as much as the next guy, but...

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/14969

and especially

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8746

del4
June 18, 2006, 09:26 AM
N.O. has always received money to maintain/improve their levees. They have known it was sub-standard at least since I was a kid. I remember it flooding on St. Claude after a heavy t-storm and water coming into buildings after tropical storms. They have done Discovery Channel documentaries on this very subject for crying out loud. They govern an area below sea level with known sub-par levees yet they wait until after the storm to beat the drum.

You pay fees and taxes from every angle in LA yet the state and local government never has any money. There's plenty of money. Louisiana politics is the true "culture of corruption" and the same old people get put back into office. How many terms did Edwards serve? The Morials? The Longs? Nagan! How many Landreaus are in office there? Who confiscated the guns and just recently said he would do it again.

I am soooo tired of hearing how the rest of the country is beating up New Orleans. It seems like that's all you hear on talk radio there.

Louisiana is an important state and New Orleans is the most important city in that state. It's just being run by crooks. Like I said in my previous post in this thread, many, MANY great people there. People that would give you the shirt off their back. People that offer you food or drinks while your working and don't even know you from Adam. But, they also have the other extreme. They need to work on weeding them and their politicians out of influence.

engineer151515
June 18, 2006, 09:44 AM
The system needs to rebuilt for todays catagory 5 storms

I'm not even sure that is possible.

Sportcat
June 18, 2006, 10:21 AM
From my understanding... Katrina was actually a strong Cat. 3 when it hit NO.

YellowLab
June 18, 2006, 01:37 PM
NO is a perfect example of idiots being elected by other idiots. Please look up idiot in the dictionary.. its use is correct.

Come on, CHOCOLATE TOWN? Nagen couldn't lead a dung beetle to dung in a cow pasture. And the RETARDS that reelected him somehow think that he can FIX the massive amount of problems (crime being one item on a LLOOONNNGGGGG list of things needing fixed) in NO? :scrutiny:

Add on top of that people like S&W who believe that NO is simple a problem that the government can fix.... WHAT PROBLEM HAS THE GOVERNMENT EVER FIXED?

We are digenerating into a nation of laws instead of a nation of individuals with morales and generosity. You cannot legistate a safe levee system, and you cannot buy one for what the goverment want to pay (lowest bidder - corrupt system.. win win for all!).

Sportcat
June 18, 2006, 01:46 PM
You cannot legistate a safe levee system, and you cannot buy one for what the goverment want to pay (lowest bidder - corrupt system.. win win for all!).

You CANNOT save a city that is sinking an inch every year! Sorry... mother nature always wins.

bouis
June 18, 2006, 01:53 PM
YellowLab: New Orleans is a solidly Democrat house. It was either Nagin or about the worst far-left Democrat imaginable.

Nagin had two things going for him: he's black, and nominally pro-business. Combining the two is a winning combination in New Orleans when running against a white pinko like Landrieu.

I'd personally like to add a third: Nagin is incompetent. In a Democrat that's definitely a plus.

ksnecktieman
June 18, 2006, 04:18 PM
Personally, I see a problem with building below sea level, and trying to hold the sea back. Face it people, mother nature is going to win. Why are we even trying to rebuild on that location? Move fifty miles north, and let the ocean have it back. We should have taken our billions we have and will spend here, and moved everyone out, and destroyed the rest of the levees. Some day it may be feasible to build there. Of course that is after we learn how to control the weather. For the amount of money we are spending, we could have bought every displaced family a home, somewhere else.

To bring this to a more personal level. The US has 300 million people, roughly. At about 3.33$ for every man woman and child in this country you have one billion dollars. How many people in your family? If you have a couple with one child, family of three,, your share of every billion the feds spend is ten dollars.

I see this as a really big lose now, lose later, and eventually return to do it again.

BigRobT
June 21, 2006, 01:47 AM
First of all, what happened to the monies given to the state to augment the levees?? Just WHOSE pocket did it go in?? Look at all the documentation on the levees around New Orleans, and it's quite evident that people have know the levees were substandard for a solid FORTY years. I think what happened is a tragedy, possibly a preventable one, but one can't just lay this all on the Federal Government.

Now, on topic, tonight I was listening to John Gibson talking about the crime in New Orleans, Nagin calling out the National Guard, etc. It was quite enlightening. What bugged me even more was the fact that Mr Gibson was quite vociferous about the fact that even though New Orleans has about HALF of it's pre-Katrina population, it's violent crime rate is actually higher than pre-Katrina. A good portion of the problem can be assigned to the local LEOS. Nagin can make all the excuses he wants, but it seems pretty clear that they are NOT doing their job. Why?? I've heard numerous excuses, from being over worked to just being incompetent. Personally, I'll refrain from speculation.

Mannlicher
June 21, 2006, 08:44 AM
S&W 910how about this

let louisiana have complete control of all income for all imports and exports that goes through of new orleans.

let louisiana have all of the tax money the goverment gets from the oil industry using la's gulf coast(the governer is fighting for this now as la gets such a small %)

If La got its fair share of the money the Us economy makes off it, it would be fair for LA to pay for thier own levees,but that is not case

I think you are missing one important aspect of all this. With the level of corruption at State and local levels in LA, the money would be siphoned off into the pockets of the politicians and their cronies, and the levees STILL would not be built. We are talking about the most corrupt city in the country.

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