The willies from carrying the first time


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squarooticus
June 19, 2006, 05:14 PM
For the past two weeks or so, I'd been walking around with my .45 in its holster, but unloaded, mainly to get the feel of it. Yesterday, I decided to load it for the first time. And it was weird! I got the willies from just handling ammunition and a gun at the same time outside the confines of a shooting range.

I suppose I will get over it at some point, but as a relatively new CCW permit holder, I'm still very tentative about the whole thing. And if I'm having trouble with this, I can't really imagine what anti-gunners must be thinking! :eek:

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Frohickey
June 19, 2006, 05:19 PM
Kinda similar to how a big elephant thinks its held captive with a weak chain...having been conditioned since a small elephant.

Congratulations...on not being a sheep.

Lou629
June 19, 2006, 05:25 PM
The feeling you're describing will pass in a bit, but try not to force it to go away completely. With responsible firearms handling there will always be a place for a little dose of healthy paranoia. That's a GOOD thing ( with apologies to Martha Stewart ) in my book.

espanola
June 19, 2006, 05:27 PM
You'll get used to it in time and after a while it'll just become part of you.
Congratulations!

ewb45acp
June 19, 2006, 05:28 PM
My big issue was that I was sure that everyone knew it was there! Nobody knows. Nobody cares. Most people are walking around in condition WHITE. Cell phones and I-pods blaring away. They never notice people like you and me. Or the wolves lurking in the shadows.

Congratulations. You've taken a step toward making yourself and your family a little safer in a dangerous world.

Chupacabra
June 19, 2006, 05:42 PM
Welcome to the Club! :evil:

The feeling will pass in a couple weeks, and eventually strapping the gun on will become no different than putting your keys in your pocket. As for people noticing that you are carrying...no one will.

ball3006
June 19, 2006, 05:53 PM
but, at least put a loaded magazine in the pistol..............In a few months you will be looking for something lighter to carry if you are carrying full time........chris3

Byron Quick
June 19, 2006, 05:53 PM
Back in the days before carry permits, I open carried in Georgia. BHP in an IWB holster. People are in condition white. The majority of people never noticed the pistol in plain view. Including antis. Conditon white isn't the word for it. Condition blind.



In a few months you will be looking for something lighter to carry if you are carrying full time


Sorry, I went the other way. Started off carrying relatively light handguns and then several years ago graduated to the 1911. My BUG is a Kahr P9. I don't find carrying both of them to be a noticeable weight. Quality belts and holsters are wonderful things.

KINGMAX
June 19, 2006, 06:02 PM
Swap stuff around if you can. Wear a gun just like a watch, just part of getting dressed. Begin to feel natural about carrying. Don't draw any attention to yourself when you CCW. It is not the type of attention you want. :cool: The less who know - the better for you. :uhoh:

As someone already posted - it's a 'Healthy Paranoia' for you to have this heightened feeling. Being able to carry sometimes will give you a false sense of security. Your best defense = being aware of your surroundings and what is going on. :scrutiny: Know when it is time to protect yourself - always try to leave youself a way out (avoid & evade the situation if possiable) - drawing down should be the very last on your list of soulitions. :uhoh:

220_Swift
June 19, 2006, 06:06 PM
I wouldn't know what that feels like. I am denied that right by this lovely state that I live in. Too bad moving is not an option.

ProficientRifleman
June 19, 2006, 06:15 PM
It's alright...welcome to the world....!

Carrying a gun is a moral, as well as tactical decision. I would suggest you read Jeff Cooper.

Otherwise, good for you!

fjolnirsson
June 19, 2006, 06:19 PM
Too bad moving is not an option.

Moving is ALWAYS an option. It merely remains to be determined what level of sacrifice you are willing to make in order to exercise said option. I thought it was impossible to leave CA without years more preparation. I found it was easier than I thought. As well as more difficult than I could have imagined.

I've discovered the same thing as others here have stated. I could walk around with a gun duct taped to my forehead(another THR member said this, but I don't remember who), and 9 of 10 people would notice.

carterbeauford
June 19, 2006, 06:30 PM
Just make arming yourself part of your everyday routine. Just like putting on your belt or shoes. Congratulations on partaking in an awesome responsibility. Stay safe.

220_Swift
June 19, 2006, 07:27 PM
Moving is ALWAYS an option. It merely remains to be determined what level of sacrifice you are willing to make in order to exercise said option. I thought it was impossible to leave CA without years more preparation. I found it was easier than I thought. As well as more difficult than I could have imagined.

Right now my wife and I have to help out her parents way to much to move away. All of her borhters and sister did, and we are the only ones left here. And family is more important to me.

71Commander
June 19, 2006, 07:35 PM
Over time you will get use to it. But, and this is a big but. You can't carry once a week for a few hours and expect to get use to it. Make it your constant companion for a month or so. Get to a point that you feel naked without it.

Get a good belt and quality holster. I emphasize belt.

Remember that it's suppost to be comforting, not comfortable, but with the right gear, you can wear it all day, every day.

Zundfolge
June 19, 2006, 07:46 PM
Hell I get the willies when I'm NOT carrying.

If you can CCW 24/7/365 you too will get to the point that you're more comfortable with it than without it.

Mannlicher
June 19, 2006, 08:08 PM
its giving me the willies to think of carrying a gun for weeks with no bullets.
It would have been prudent to do your training up front. :eek:

For the past two weeks or so, I'd been walking around with my .45 in its holster, but unloaded, mainly to get the feel of it. Yesterday, I decided to load it for the first time. And it was weird! I got the willies from just handling ammunition and a gun at the same time outside the confines of a shooting range.

I suppose I will get over it at some point, but as a relatively new CCW permit holder, I'm still very tentative about the whole thing. And if I'm having trouble with this, I can't really imagine what anti-gunners must be thinking!

michiganfan
June 19, 2006, 08:13 PM
I know what you are going through. First I carried with just a mag in the gun. A 45 just like you. Then I carrried with one in the pipe cocked and locked. Then after a couple of years I switched to a Glock 23One in the pipe and no safety except the one between my ears. If I don't pull the trigger it don't go bang.

DoubleTapDrew
June 19, 2006, 08:17 PM
Are you carrying without ammo because you are worried about an accidental discharge since you are new to carrying? Do what I did: Carry cocked on an empty chamber for a week (with a full mag). When you take it off at night you'll notice it's still cocked. It'll build your confidence in the gun for carrying condition 1.

MrBigStuff
June 19, 2006, 08:25 PM
Because carrying a gun was now legal ( in CT anyway)!:D No more need to be afraid of carrying a gun you " shouldn't have". Sometimes it still feels like I'm doing something illegal.

Dave R
June 19, 2006, 08:29 PM
A good way to get over the willies is to "practice" carrying at home. If your family doesn't "make" you, no one else will, either. You'll get used to the feel of the gun in its holster, and you'll gain confidence that it'll stay where you want it to stay.

sm
June 19, 2006, 08:30 PM
Re: Willies

When assisting with folks and this concern of carrying for the first time - my replies ...

Yes it is new experience and one that should concern you about concealment, not advertising, and be available at all times. You are responsible adults and have this right...

Just like ladies carry a tampon and guys put condoms in wallets.

That normally gets folks at ease, raises a few chuckles and always one good looking lady that just has to make a comment to / try to embarass the heck out of me.

Ladies want to see my wallet, and yep there is that distinct circle impression.

Extra "O" ring for a Super X Model 1
Sometimes an additional "O" ring for a 1100

I can give back as good as I get...:D

Been known to stop at a store with students and buy a box of tampons /sanitary napkins to pass out to guys and gals, or just toss them out in on the range, classroom.
"In case you decided to break one them rules and shoot yourself , and just stick it in your range bag...guys, it ain't gonna fit in your wallet".



Willies? I get the willies If am NOT packing something, or one not in hands reach. Been that way before I started first grade.

The_Shootist
June 19, 2006, 08:51 PM
...you feel everybody staring at you when in reality the total opposite is the case. After a while its like carrying your cell phone, or even putting on your shoes - life's routine.

lawson
June 19, 2006, 10:04 PM
it was a pretty strange feeling at first for me as well, even though i grew up around guns and have been hunting and shooting since i was a young lad.

now it's second nature, checking my carry gun and holstering it is as natural as putting on my shoes... you wouldn't leave the house without doing it.

i used to open carry before i had my CCW, and most people didn't even notice. i still carry openly now and then, most often it's a belt holster mostly concealed under a shirt.

ctdonath
June 19, 2006, 10:15 PM
Yup, when I started carrying I was hyper-aware of the piece, amazed that everyone wasn't seeing it.

Long story short, the fuss passes. The willies are normal for newbies.

ARGarrison
June 19, 2006, 10:21 PM
The one thing I noticed right away, when first carrying a handgun out in public, was bumping in to things with my firearm. Tables, chairs, desk, you name it. It took a while to get use carrying extra on my hip.

Texshooter
June 20, 2006, 12:23 AM
DON'T get over it.

Always be aware that you indeed are in possession of a deadly weapon, and as such, will be "judged" by a higher standard of care. Do not get "comfortable" with the weapon on you. Make sure you are the only one who knows it is on you. Be aware of potential problems and try to walk away from any trouble.

This wonderful freedom you are expressing comes with a heavy price tag.

Zen21Tao
June 20, 2006, 01:41 AM
Carry your gun unloaded with a single bullet in your pocket. :D

Hemicuda
June 20, 2006, 03:39 AM
Maybe I'm just weird, but... I never fealt this... the day I got my permit, I grabbed my Smith 5904 9mm, 2 standard capacity magazines, 31 rounds of Black Talon Winchester ammo, a Galco Jak-Slide, and a mag holster, put it all together, and went about normal business...

to me, it wasn't a big thing!

chopinbloc
June 20, 2006, 04:16 AM
i just want to say thank you. i am grateful that another morally upright human being decided to shoulder his own burden and take responsibility for his and his loved ones' safety.

i've been carrying for about five years now and let me tell you, it will get to the point that you won't feel fully dressed until you have that piece of steel hanging there, reminding you that you are now fully human and no longer subject to the whims of others.

Chrontius
June 20, 2006, 04:20 AM
I don't have a CCW permit yet, and it's already gotten to the point that it feels like walking around with no underwear... and that's just from sitting in front of the keyboard here. :uhoh:

RTFM
June 20, 2006, 09:32 AM
Texshooter hit it on the head. Like everyone else here has said, you will get use to it over time and hopefully become so comfortable with it that you'll feel nekid' with out it.

But always be aware that it is a loaded weapon on your hip, although you;ll hopefully become comfortable with it - never become complacent with it. Always respect the weapon.

And remember - An armed society is a polite society.

Welcome to the club.

SIG P.229 .40S&W for 6+ years and I can think of 4 times that I have had to take it off and all of them were entering a court house of other Federal office building with security and metal detectors at the entrances. Other than that, it's on me anytime I have clothes on.

RaetherEnt
June 20, 2006, 10:56 AM
Since we are on-topic, there is a related comment / question that I have as well. I have already applied for my Florida CCW through the mail so I will be able to carry in neighboring Missouri. All my classes are done for Kansas, and I can apply in July for permit in January.

So, I want to start practice carrying around the house and get myself prepared.

Can anyone recommend a good carry holster and belt for a Kimber Pro size 45?

My carry gun will be my TLE Pro, and my wife will carry an Kimber Ultra.

Any suggestions will be GREATLY appreciated!

baz
June 20, 2006, 11:00 AM
Maybe I'm just weird, but... I never felt this...

I felt different the first time, and that was it. Literally, just the first time. Second time, it seemed natural.

But I was already used to wearing it around the house and working outside.

Once I made the decision to get a CHL, I "practiced" carrying where I could -- that being on my own property -- while I waited for the actual permit. The day I got the permit, I simply left it on when I left the house. It felt different that first time, in the sense of my being aware that I was doing something new, but I never really felt odd about it.

And I never had the feeling that all eyes were on me, as I've long understood just how little situational awareness most people have about what's going on around them. And if they do see the bulge on my hip -- in the summer, it is usually just a shirt loosely hanging over it, often unbuttoned in the front -- I don't sweat it. Most will not presume it is a gun, and if they do, so what?

Rickstir
June 20, 2006, 04:43 PM
I can't carry at work, college, but I do everywhere else. Been carrying for almost two years. My wife will most times than not check that I am carrying when we drive into St. Louis. I remember feeling the way you do, but it didn't last long. We were coming out of a bar (we had attended a Cardinal game and this bar owner keeps my weapon in his safe while we are at the game), and a representative sample of the local hip-hop boys club were shucking and jiving in the alley about 20 yards from my truck. They gave us the once over as I let her in on her side, and I purposely walked around the truck on their side to keep an eye on them. Nothing happened, but I was sure glad I had my "Little Friend" on my hip. So was my wife.

Manedwolf
June 20, 2006, 07:18 PM
I know what you are going through. First I carried with just a mag in the gun. A 45 just like you. Then I carrried with one in the pipe cocked and locked. Then after a couple of years I switched to a Glock 23One in the pipe and no safety except the one between my ears. If I don't pull the trigger it don't go bang.

I would do the latter, except that I've found that putting the PT745 in a Smartcarry will sometimes push the safety off by the end of the day. And even though it's DAO, I'm still a bit...eh...with that.

bigun15
June 20, 2006, 07:30 PM
Moving is ALWAYS an option. It merely remains to be determined what level of sacrifice you are willing to make in order to exercise said option.

Not true. I'd move in a second if I had 1) Money and 2) Emancipation papers. But where I am, moving is absolutely NOT an option.

MIL-DOT
June 20, 2006, 09:34 PM
i don't carry everyday,usually when work has me "down in the southside",and even then i don't feel entirely comfortable, like i'm commiting a felony (i'm not) and that everyone's staring at the bulge in my pocket. i think it was dave r that recommended carrying at home to get used to it, i did the same thing, walking around the house and yard,getting used to the weight......and responsibility.

Texfire
June 20, 2006, 11:08 PM
After getting used to wearing it I lost that hightened sense of, "everyone knows I'm wearing a gun, surely it's obvious." I'm fairly sure that the only people who even potentially make me are those who also carry, and they don't care.

What I wasn't prepared for was my heightened sense of my surroundings. It's like strapping on that gun made me more aware of what other people were doing. Even though I'd tried to cultivate a better awareness before getting my CCW, afterwards I found it sharper.

I remember I was waiting for an order at a local fast food spot and a guy walks in. It wasn't the tatoos, or the fact that he looked a little off-kilter that set off my alarms, it was the fact that he was wearing a a baggy hooded sweatshirt with shorts when it was way too warm to reasonably do so. I had my eye on him the whole time I he was there, either directly or in my peripheral vision. Nothing happened, and I'm thankful for that, but I felt like my thoughts were clear and focused.

Tex

Srigs
June 21, 2006, 09:04 AM
Congrats, In a month you will feel better about it. :)

One suggestion is to have a routine on handling the gun when you take it off to go into a prohibited location or when you come home. That routine will make you always know where and what condition you left the gun, holster ect... Mine always stay loaded so the "treat all guns as loaded" is fully true. I also taught my wife the same thing and she knows how to handle and unload the guns if necessary. That way if your every in an accident or have a medical issue your wife or sig. other can unload the gun approperately and store it unless they have a permit.

Lots of things to think about but have a plan and stick to it! :)

Working Man
June 21, 2006, 09:22 AM
Hell I get the willies when I'm NOT carrying.

Soon you will be at the point when even the thought of not having your CCW
on you gives you the willies and you can sleep like a baby with it in place.

romma
June 21, 2006, 02:38 PM
It feels like I am doing something illegal because if I blow concealment, I practically am breaking the law. You can potentially lose your permit or worse if that happens in Connecticut. :uhoh: God Save The Sheep!

CNYCacher
June 21, 2006, 03:18 PM
My aunt once left her diaper bag at my cousin's school. It had her wallet, keys, and credit cards in it. My uncle and I went to look for it together, and when we came back with it, we decided to trick her into thinking that we hadn't found it. Then I was going to 'find it' in the house somewhere, so we could tease her about it "it's right here next to the couch!" but the tricky part was getting it into the house.

Standing outside the front door, I took one arm out of the leather coat I was wearing, hung the bag by that shoulder, and put the coat back on over the bag, concealing it with my coat. I kept it at about 5 o'clock with my elbow. Bear in mind that this bag was about the size and weight of a gallon of milk!

Out of about 10 people in the room I walked though, guess how many people actually noticed the huge bulge under my coat? Zero. Most of the poeple were sitting in chairs or on a couch talking with others in the room on other chairs or couches while I walked around between them. No one noticed. I was actually standing in the middle of a room with 10 people more or less facing me from every direction at one point explaining to my aunt how we didn't find her bag at the school. No one noticed that I had what could have been a second head growing from my back under my coat!

I'll be reminding myself of that day if I ever feel like "everyone" knows I'm carrying. Check back in November and I'll let you know if it works. . . Only had my permit app in for a month or so, so it'll be 5 more before I get it :banghead:

JesseJames
June 21, 2006, 03:20 PM
Careful romma, you'll scare all the Democrats. ;)

SSN Vet
June 21, 2006, 03:21 PM
I can definately relate...

It's only been two months for me, but I'm slowly getting more comfortable.

I've been practicing some "mental tactics" that are helping me build confidence.

Tactic #1. I try to be as "routine" as possible about doing things the same way every day. But already I'm finding that I have to have a lot of "different routines" for different situations, as I can't have it on my person all the time.

Tactic #2. No matter what happens during the day, I make sure I know the EXACT status and location of the piece at ALL times. (i.e. condition 1 in truck console w/ doors locked).

Tactic #3 I'm very deliberate about being "indiscrete" and casual, such that I had carried daily for 3 weeks before my wife even realized I had started.

Pretty basic I guess, but as I convince myself I know what's going on and am in control, the less "freaked out" I am.

I had my first "boo boo" at work last week. When I got in my car at the end of the day, the worn latch on my truck console had poped the top open and "Jr." had been in plane site to any one walking by and looking in.

Last week in the ticket line at the theatre with my wife, while maneuvering around the metal post I heard a distinct "tink" of metal on metal (and it wasn't my belt buckle).

cxm
June 21, 2006, 04:41 PM
The first time you carry it feels like there is a big neon sign over you flashing on and off that says "GUN" "GUN." It's normal... happens to everyone.

Keep in mind the average person is VERY stupid and totally unaware of the world around them... if they do see a bulge they assume it is a cell phone.

All you need to do is use good judgement and be circumspect.

FWIW

Chuck

ezypikns
June 21, 2006, 05:00 PM
DON'T get over it.

Always be aware that you indeed are in possession of a deadly weapon, and as such, will be "judged" by a higher standard of care. Do not get "comfortable" with the weapon on you. Make sure you are the only one who knows it is on you. Be aware of potential problems and try to walk away from any trouble.

This wonderful freedom you are expressing comes with a heavy price tag.

This cannot be emphasized enough.

romma
June 21, 2006, 05:11 PM
around the kids and my girlfriend all night and weekends after work. My Girlfriend doesn't know unless she hugs me and feels for it. The kids never have a clue. And they know I have guns and shoot.

GeorgiaGlocker
June 21, 2006, 08:25 PM
As everyone has mentioned above your feelings are normal and will subside in a few weeks. As someone else also mentioned I get the willies when I don't carry! It has just become so natural to me now. Although here it is legal to carry open and concealed, I always carry concelaed IWB. Just act normal. Don't do anything that shouts "hey I have a gun". You will get use to it. Believe me.

bamawrx
June 21, 2006, 08:47 PM
My vote is for the:

Milt Sparks VMII with tuckable clips. Go ahead and order a belt while your at it.

You need to anticipate a long wait time, so get it ordered so its here before you get your FL non-res and so you can get used to the gear. I wear one every day and the tuckable clips give me the wardrobe options I need at work. I can't walk around with an untucked shirt all day and look unprofessional.

I carry a full size 1911, tucket, and it is invisible even when I ask friends to "find the gun". I have developed a habit of doing a slight shirt check if I've been seated or whatever. Just to make sure I am not printing.

It does feel strange to be unarmed. I had the feeling while flying and while visiting a navy base recently. I prefer the "I'm armed" feeling for sure.

Omnivore
June 21, 2006, 11:32 PM
Lots of good posts here. Well worth heeding. As for feeling like you're getting away with something naughty;
This is what the antis have done to you. Its a little bit like rape of the mind. Luckily it will go away with time. I retain some feelings of resentment for all the time they (the antis) made me waste believeing them. The best I can do now is make sure my kids never waste time believing them, but instead apply critical thinking skills to their hollow arguments.

gunsmith
June 21, 2006, 11:43 PM
when I lived in PRK, so I can dimly recall how you feel.
After a few years I could engage LE in debates about the 2nd amendment and have them tell me "jokingly" that they should search me!
(good thing they were my friends) one cop buddy of mine in SFPD
knew I was a gun nut and allways packing before he joined the force, and afterward was allways carefull not to ask when we would run into each other.
He did advise me to just leave the scene if I had to use it in SF as they probably
wont look to hard at some skell dying as they would a solid citizen, and those shootings are never solved either.
Now that I live in a free state, it's like wearing a watch.

fjolnirsson
June 21, 2006, 11:49 PM
As for feeling like you're getting away with something naughty;
This is what the antis have done to you. Its a little bit like rape of the mind.

That's an excellent way of putting it.

kansas45
June 21, 2006, 11:53 PM
In Kansas we can get our application's for CCW July 1st. We will have to take & pass a 8 hr. course. But it will probably be at least January 1st, 2007 before we will be able to obtain our liscense. I keep a gun handy most of the time & have carried one with me for a very long time on the farm & most every where else in the country. I have to be careful that I don't forget I have it on me when I go to the store or something, but then again I don't advertise the fact. It's good to know that you are armed in this day & age & I feel much safer when I do have a gun handy. It will truley be a HAPPY NEW YEAR :) Here in Kansas!

CAPTAIN MIKE
June 22, 2006, 02:07 AM
Like our friend Working Man, I too "feel naked" and get the willies when I don't have my sidearm with me. But to deal with that feeling (and those situations when you CAN'T carry (schools, libraries, etc.) it's good to get some training in other self-defense modes.

Check out the current article in 'Concealed Carry' magazine entitled "The Case for Integrated Training".

Deathrider1579
June 22, 2006, 11:16 AM
Hey man don't feel bad I know how you feel, I've been carrying for about 2 years now (ever since I turned 21 and passed the unconstitutional age requirement for hand guns and the CHL) I still feel some what nervous when I carry which isn't as often as it should be because I work at a school and they tend to frown on weapons on campus. I guess its that I am paranoied that some one is going to see it weather because of a print or the wind blowing my shirt up or it rideing up or something. eh. I think it will get better when I work somewhere I can carry so I get used to it.

-DR

Master Blaster
June 22, 2006, 11:34 AM
Yes when you first start carrying it feels like youhave a neon light over your head that screams GUN, and you have a 300lb anvil on your hipthat bangs into everything and everone you pass.

The feeling passes with time, and you realize that no one knows you are carrying and in most cases they wouldnt care if they did. People dont see things that they dont expect to see, think about how a magician pulls off his stunts. You are now a master illusionist when it comes to gun carry. Get the proper pants, belt, shirts, and jackets , combine that with a good belt, did I mention the importance of a good belt??? and a good holster.
The gun will disappear and no one will know unless you show or tell them. But remember like a good magician, once you reveal your secret, the audience will know.

Good luck

mmike87
June 22, 2006, 11:58 AM
You'll get over it...
The feeling you're describing will pass in a bit, but try not to force it to go away completely. With responsible firearms handling there will always be a place for a little dose of healthy paranoia. That's a GOOD thing ( with apologies to Martha Stewart ) in my book.

+1 on that - it's the "willies" that keep you vigilant and safe. You want to get to where you're not uncomfortable handling your gun, but not TOO comfortable, either.

Complacency breeds accidents. Congrats on joining the world of CCW and personal responsibility.

1wildbill
June 22, 2006, 12:11 PM
I get the willies when I'm NOT carrying.

Same with me, I feel naked, just not right. I try to avoid situations where I can't legally carry.

Baba Louie
June 22, 2006, 12:18 PM
Square...
Excellent advice (as always) given.
Yes, It's like driving a car for the first time, right after you've gotten your first drivers license... in a way.

BUT... let me take another tack here... just some additional points to ponder.

It's not the end all be all solution to every problem (I'm sure you are very aware of that fact). You need to totally increase your awareness level of those around you now, no more condition white. Check eyes and hands... and smile a lot... like you know something good that they don't know.

Less than lethal solutions to altercations? A point to ponder.

You need to practice your draw (very empty firearm please triple check) from concealment. You need to be aware of escape routes prior to the fact. You need to practice a reload (hopefully you'll never ever need to... but it's a wise thing to do on autopilot if need be). Keep strong hand empty. Protect strong side from strangers. Have eyes in the back of your head.

Depending on where you live, weather-wise, your clothing and perhaps even the weapon you carry and accompanying holster might require rethinking seasonally. Minnesota is one thing, Florida or Arizona another.

Concealed means concealed. From their sight. From their minds. From their hands. From your friends and family's lips (loose lips sink ships)

You are now a deadly weapon. (You were one when you first drove that first car also... then. Weren't you?)

Finally... what does your attorney think or know about all this?

And by the way. Congratulations on being a responsible human being.

Welcome to THR.

Cold_B
June 22, 2006, 07:01 PM
[For RaetherEnt]

I suggest a Milt Sparks Watch Six, or VM2; along with a good quality belt. Again a milt sparks would be my suggestion. Make sure to add extra length to compensate for you added friends girth.


If Milt Sparks is a while from their next production run of what you want, I suggest you call Lighting Arms Sports (http://www.lightningarms.com/) and they will get you pretty much whatever you want. They have excellent service, and for just a little more, you won't have to wait.

I personally carry a Kimber Pro Carry 4" Series I IWB with a spare IPS (Inside Pants Single) mag carrier, all milt sparks on a belt from there. I've had about two and a half years now, and I still love it. I carry everyday, all the time, and its totally comfortable for me. I can hardly even feel its there, the weight doesn't bother me in the least.

If you have any question, feel free to ask!

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It was a little strange carry the first few times, but you get over it quickly. The only thing I worry about is bumping into something and hearing the metal on metal, which can't be my hip, and huggers. Huggers find guns. Even with the one armed, side turned, other arm over the peice hug, they still can get you if your not careful.

My best friends last girlfriend, everytime she hugged me, always sent an arm right down there, and got a good feel of it. She was pro gun, had a kimber herself, so it was cool. She would always say "Your carrying your gun." My reply always was "I'm breathing aren't I!" :)

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DougW
June 22, 2006, 10:48 PM
I agree that at first, you are concious that EVERYONE looking at you just because of the concealed weapon. Wal Mart is the best place for the new carrier IMO. After a while, you will determine that (1) the people in this world is oblivious to most everything around them and (2) you will be able to spot a fellow "carrier", sometimes quite easily.

I have carried for so long that I have even sometimes "forgotten" (so to speak) that I am carrying a pistol. It is something that I normally carry, like a wallet, knife, change, car keys, etc.

I will be traveling out of state next week on business and will have to go unarmed. THAT gives me the willies!!!!:eek:

distra
June 22, 2006, 10:49 PM
Hey Romma, up where I'm at it's not so bad. I know a couple of place I frequent "know" I'm carrying and seem to be fine with it. I actually walked into one store with shirt hiked up enough to show the magazine bottom plate. :eek: Spooked me more than anyone else, one guy coming out just gave me a quick look like "hey, your fly is unzipped" and I knew what was up. Luckly, it was a local sporting goods store so not a big deal. :D I do try to be as descrete as possible though, IWB with bowling shirt. Only takes one Demo...er...person to cause you lots of greif. :rolleyes: I would surely have the PD called if that happened in NL. You're right, your permit could pulled for inciting panic in public I believe is how it is stated. :rolleyes: Those evil guns, it could jump right out of that holster, hurt someone and you'd never know it. :banghead:

roo_ster
June 22, 2006, 10:56 PM
Eventually you'll feel naked if you leave without it.

iiibdsiil
June 22, 2006, 11:58 PM
One thing to keep in mind is as long as you are dressed like a normal person (no baggy pants, etc), I think most people will assume you are a cop IF they make you, or if your shirt slips up, etc. If something happens, just act like nothing is wrong. Fix your shirt or whatever, give a little smile back, and go on with your business. Nothing looks worse then a guilty "Oh poop!"

The first few times I put my Kahr PM9 in my back pocket at work (practice carry since I can't get my CCW yet), I was SO worried someone would see it. My shirts extend past the top of my back pockets, but I have to move boxes and furniture (furniture store), and I was always worried the shirt would lift up and either get caught on my waist line or in the pocket, revealing the gun. I just made it a habit to check my shirt a million times a day. No one notices you have 2 wallets ;) Even if my shirt lifted up, the gun is deep enough in the pocket that you have to look almost straight down to see it, and I think most people would just think it's a leatherman or something with the nice shiny slide. My boss was shocked when I showed him... he couldn't believe he couldn't see it. Dealing with customers though made me feel REALLY confident. We are pretty laid back people, and spend a lot of time just chatting with the customers, even if it isn't business related. I figure someone would have said something by now if they busted me.

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