Saudis get scholarships to study aviation in U.S.


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Desertdog
June 20, 2006, 06:33 PM
Saudis get scholarships to study aviation in U.S.
Program arose from agreement in April
by President Bush and Prince Abdullah
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50728

Less than five years after 15 Saudis hijacked airliners to hit American targets, citizens of the desert kingdom are being offered scholarships to study aviation in the U.S.

According to the Saudi publication Arab News, majors related to the airline transport industry are eligible, including communications, electrical and computer engineering, computer science, systems analysis, air traffic control and flight safety.

Some of the 9-11 hijackers are known to have been trained at aviation schools in the U.S.

The new program arose from an agreement in April by President Bush and then-Crown Prince Abdullah aimed at improving relations between the two nations.


Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Higher Education and the General Authority of Civil Aviation is offering the scholarships. Applicants can download forms on the ministry's website.

Arab News said applicants for the bachelor's program must have a minimum score of 85 percent in the science section and 90 percent in other sections, such as Quran memorizing.

Scholarships in other fields of study are available to students studying in Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, India, China, Australia and New Zealand.

In May, the Arizona Daily Star reported the University of Arizona in Tucson enrolled about 100 new Saudi Arabian students as part of the kingdom's new scholarship program, which will send about 6,000 students to American universities this year after just 1,442 Saudi students had visas to study in the United States in 2004.

As WND reported in February, while U.S. universities welcome the Saudis especially because Riyadh is paying 100 percent of their tuition and enrollment costs some critics see potential security problems associated with the tremendous influx of Muslim students from a closed society that virtually invented Wahhabism, the radical brand of Islamism that spawned al-Qaida.

Because of the agreement, as many as 25,000 Saudi students are expected to arrive over the next five years, with all their bills paid by the Saudi government.

In February, WND noted the scholarship program was unrolling quietly, without announcement from the Saudi Embassy or the White House. The White House Press Office declined to comment on the program and Saudi embassy officials did not return calls inquiring about it.

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fourays2
June 20, 2006, 07:03 PM
I'm surprised they're not getting in-state tution discount like all the illegals do.

Pilgrim
June 20, 2006, 07:07 PM
Arab News said applicants for the bachelor's program must have a minimum score of 85 percent in the science section and 90 percent in other sections, such as Quran memorizing.
Ahh, yes. Memorizing the Quran will make them better aviators.

Pilgrim

Manedwolf
June 20, 2006, 07:09 PM
Shh! We're not supposed to remember that most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals! :uhoh:

We're supposed to be thinking they were Iraqis, remember? :rolleyes:

Sheldon J
June 20, 2006, 07:38 PM
all they have to do is stand down range about 100 yards.:barf:

Leatherneck
June 20, 2006, 07:43 PM
This could simply be members of the royal family (God, what a disgusting term) wanting to become pilots for SAUDIA, the royal airline.

Or not.

I hope somebody gave them at least a background check. Ya think?

TC

Desertdog
June 20, 2006, 07:57 PM
I'm surprised they're not getting in-state tution discount like all the illegals do.
You must remember, they are legal.

I wonder what the next target will be.:eek:

Rabbi
June 20, 2006, 08:39 PM
I was stationed at Keesler AFB, Mississippi in 1965 and the base was CRAWLING with Saudi Air Force flight officers.

At commander's call, the good Major advised us that they were our strongest allies and to show them "the greatest of respect". They were there to "learn to fly U.S. fighter jets and hone their English skills".

It was an Article 15 offense to even laugh when they walked around the base holding hands or kissing each other on the mouth.

We've been licking their sand encrusted buttocks for at least forty-one years of which I am personally aware.

wheelgunslinger
June 20, 2006, 08:51 PM
wow Rabbi. don't hold that stuff in. It'll hurt you.


Just goes to show, it's all who you know.

Fly320s
June 20, 2006, 10:06 PM
I taught some Saudi's to fly back in '93-95. I also taught Indonesians, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, Iranian, British, German and even the occassional American.

Flight training in the US is cheaper than flight training in most of the rest of the world. So, like many things in life, it all comes down to money. Bush, and probably other unamed business leaders, want to let the foreign students in to the US to spend their money and help our economy.

FWIW, the article didn't mention anything about flight training, but I would not be surprised if flight training is on the agenda.

longeyes
June 20, 2006, 10:13 PM
Yes, and I'll bet some of those Saudi uncles and aunts are writing nice big checks for the Bush Pharaonic Library, the eighth wonder of the capitalist world.

El Tejon
June 20, 2006, 10:48 PM
longeyes, no, just checks to Purdue University.:D

This is nothing new simply an expansion of what has been ongoing for decades, and nothing to get silly about. Immediately following 9/11 there was increased federal concern over Muslim students in the US who were studying aero inganearing and the like (white vans suddenly appeared in West Lafayette; I told my guys to wave at them, blow them kisses and send them coffee).

offthepaper
June 20, 2006, 10:48 PM
Quote from Pilgrim:
"Ahh, yes. Memorizing the Quran will make them better aviators.
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Yup!
I think it helps with their dives.

mp510
June 20, 2006, 11:00 PM
Then I guess white guys shouldn't be able to learn truck driving?

I see no problem with Saudi's being trained in flying aircraft in this country. Not all Muslims are crazed terrorist, and the Saudis are an ally in that region we can not afford to lose. Also, if these guys were to be terrorists, there is probably a better chance of picking up there activities here, given the high state of alertness and surveilence. I definetely would want them training here than in their Uncle Omar's big sandy space out back.

Standing Wolf
June 21, 2006, 12:47 AM
The new program arose from an agreement in April by President Bush and then-Crown Prince Abdullah aimed at improving relations between the two nations.

We don't need to "improve relations between the two nations." We need to solve Saudi Arabia's Islamic terrorist savagry problem once and for all.

shooter94
June 21, 2006, 12:56 AM
This is disgusting...:barf:

Sleeping Dog
June 21, 2006, 08:03 AM
I definetely would want them training here
We can keep a better eye on them here.

If they take notes and ask questions during "navigation and steering" class, that's good.

But then if they fall asleep or clown around during "take-off and landing" class, that's a bad sign.

Regards.

Jason M.
June 21, 2006, 11:46 AM
Oh my god, look out, it's Muslims!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against monitoring these guys a bit while they are here, but beyong that - no need to get all bothere. And statements like this: all they have to do is stand down range about 100 yards.
So they deserve to die because they are Saudi nationals? How can you even say something like that?

ball3006
June 21, 2006, 12:08 PM
airline dispatcher class 10 years ago. All of them had a difficult time of it too. I think language with the contributing factor. They were graded different than the rest of us........chris3

engineer151515
June 21, 2006, 12:28 PM
The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

romma
June 21, 2006, 12:46 PM
Opinions may vary in either direction on this... I just know I am glad I won't be one of the trainers that actually turn the controls over to one of these "students" for recording their flight time... In fact, I wish whatever scool they attend would send me regular e-mails on the flight paths, dates and times beforehand. That way I can build a bomb shelter and hide,,, for a bit. If I need too that is...

longeyes
June 21, 2006, 02:13 PM
Not all Muslims are crazed terrorist, and the Saudis are an ally in that region we can not afford to lose.

Saudi Arabia is no more an "ally" of ours than Mexico is. Saudi Arabia is the great font of anti-Western, anti-U.S. sentiment.

We have a real genius in America these days for rationalizing everything we do for a buck, no matter how suicidal.

Creeping Incrementalism
June 21, 2006, 02:34 PM
I attended a flight school in Florida in the mid to late 90s that had a large Saudi flight program, and later, Turkish. They came to America to do primary flight training--taking total newbies, putting them in small single-engine airplanes, then up to light twins, before they went off somewhere else for the specialized commercial airline-type training. America is the center of general aviation--there's a huge infrastructure of airports and businesses that focus of light aircraft that doesn't really exist in the rest of the world because, I think, of the attitude of the R.O.W. that flying is reserved for big business and the ultra-rich. Saudis just have an insane amount of money to throw around, and America has flight schools and that welcome the opportunity to train people whose government pays twice the going rate, so it's really natural that they come here.

I agree that if these people are going to be trained, it should be where Americans make the extra money, and these people can be watched more closely.

Nobody like the Saudis at my flight school because, since they paid twice what we did, they got priority for the airplanes. An American would be walking out the door with an airplane's keys, only to be called back to have the keys given to a Saudi. The flight instructors also resented the fact that the Saudis got paid twice what the instructors did. I also got the feeling that the Saudis didn't have to work particularly hard at it, and had a feeling of entitlement, which seems to be endemic in oil-rich, Arab countries.

ConstitutionCowboy
June 21, 2006, 02:39 PM
...will not get to enroll because of these foreigners taking up space in the class rooms?

Woody

"The power of those in government to use common sense shall not be infringed. It is first, however, imperative to elect people to those positions of power who possess common sense. Remember that at the next election." B.E.Wood

solareclipse
June 22, 2006, 05:07 AM
saddam is probably rolling over in his jailcell right about now :barf:

LAK
June 22, 2006, 06:07 AM
As long as our public purse is not paying for it, and they are not taught and do not have access to our cutting edge material, I am all for this. This is what the extent of our legal immigration should be; educational visas for second rate or third world nationals.

They can come here, learn ... and then return to their own homeland and add to the progress of their own nations.

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http://ussliberty.org
http://ssunitedstates.org

Dravur
June 22, 2006, 11:05 AM
<quote> ..will not get to enroll because of these foreigners taking up space in the class rooms? <quote>

Hmmm, probably none as in a capitalist society, if there is a need, someone will be along to fill it. I wouldn't worry that poor Uncle Joe won't get flight training cuz Hassan Abib has a seat.

<quote>The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them. </quote>

Yeaaahhh.... That didn't go as planned for the communists. Last I heard it was USSR 0, US 1

utahminirevolver
June 22, 2006, 11:34 AM
"USSR 0 US 1"

Was that due to good management or good luck? Our jihadist enemies, backed to varying degrees by communists in several countries, openly plot world domination and our demise. They're working on nukes in Tehran and missiles in Pyongyang, but we're supposed to be all multicultural and tolerant right up until the heat, blast and radiation remove our bigger open-society cities.

The situation is something like the the people of Laish, mentioned in Judges chapter 18. The tribe of Dan sent spies to the city of Laish who reported back that these folks were "careless...quiet and secure". So 600 Danite warriors "smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire."

longeyes
June 22, 2006, 11:40 AM
<quote>The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them. </quote>

Yeaaahhh.... That didn't go as planned for the communists. Last I heard it was USSR 0, US 1

The USSR didn't die, it just moved West.

feedthehogs
June 22, 2006, 11:58 AM
Nothing new here.
After getting out of the military in the early 70's I had to go to civilian aviation school to get my FAA ticket even though I had been doing much more advanced stuff in the military.

The class was half Saudis with a few Iraqi's thrown in all driving brand new cars, fat checking accounts and most spoke no english and showed up for class once a week which was a good thing because these folks knew nothing about personal hygene.
I don't see how any of them passed. But I guess it was good enough for their own countries governments and I'm sure a money windfall for the school back then.

Desertdog
June 22, 2006, 01:10 PM
The USSR didn't die, it just moved West.
To the Enviormental, Global Warming, Don't Drill For Oil, Save the Animals and various other Screw America organizations.

To make it even worse is the fact that they have the Government funding them.:cuss:

Zero_DgZ
June 22, 2006, 02:03 PM
Alright, look.

The next time somebody decides that based on the fact that they don't like you or your people and decides to bar you from doing whatever it is you want to do, make snide comments about making you "stand 100 yards downrange," or decides to infringe on one of your rights for something that some people who look kinda sorta like you may have done a while back but we're really not sure (but hell, let's burn all the ragheads anyway) I'm going to be sitting right here, in this chair, laughing at you.

Some of the sentiments expressed in this thread are simply appalling. I'll leave it at that.

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