Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon: What....
9x19mm
April 30, 2003, 04:22 PM
...do you guys think about it? It is primarily to be used for skeet (and trap). For the time being I cannot afford the (much more expensive) Sporting or Trap or Skeet dedicated version. I like the Beretta quality, and people tell me that these are very reliabe O/Us. I would like your opinions here ;)
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Stay Low
April 30, 2003, 10:50 PM
I used it for skeet and think it is a great value in guns. I traded it on a different high $$$$ gun but miss having it and shooting it. Never gave me any problems, broke targets as good as the $$$$ ones and looked good, too.
PWK
April 30, 2003, 11:12 PM
The Beretta Whitewing sells for just under $1000.00 and is mechanicallly identical to the Silver pigeon.
"Other than the cosmetics and unnecessary replaceable
monobloc shoulders on the 682, the guns are mechanically identical.
All Beretta O/Us, from the lowly (but nicely balanced) Whitewing to
the 682 Gold E are the same inside. For some reason Beretta has been
able to sell the 682 as the more "durable" of the standard boxlocks,
but it's really no better or worse than the others. It's the cosmetics
that give it the perceived value. Berettas often have more initial
quality problems than Brownings, but prove very reliable over the long
haul."
Check it out here:
http://www.shotgunreport.com/TechTech/TechnoidArchive/10-Nov-02.html
It's a very good gun and one that will stand beside any other o/u on the market.
A couple of good friends shoot Silver Pigeons and are very happy with them.
9x19mm
May 1, 2003, 11:46 AM
Thanks a lot guys, as always your help is greatly appreciated :)
9x19mm
May 1, 2003, 03:24 PM
One more question, are these barrels chrome-lined? Thanks
are these barrels chrome-lined?
Yes.
9x19mm
May 2, 2003, 07:09 AM
Thank you PJR. My last question is about the inertia trigger that I understand that is now installed in many Beretta O/Us. Does anyone know how can I distinguish a model with the inertia trigger? I would prefer the *normal* one. Thanks
45auto
May 2, 2003, 08:18 AM
If you can pull the trigger twice(firing pins go off on both bbls) without manipulating the bbl selector/safety or 'whacking' the end of the stock to simulate recoil, then the triggers are mechanical.
If not, they are inertia.
9x19mm
May 2, 2003, 08:36 AM
Thank you very much 45auto.
I would really like to get a 686 with mechanical trigger(s) and I just didn't know the way to tell the difference from the inertia operated ones.
I have *seen* a brand new 686 with inertia trigger unable to fire the second shot (barrel) because the inertia system would not "arm" (light loads used -24 grams). User had to "whack" it..
Stay Safe ;)
While there may be variations of which I'm not aware, it is my understanding that all current Beretta o/us come with inertia triggers.
There are gunsmiths who will convert them to mechanical triggers. This is a common procedure for skeet shooters who are shooting subgauge tubes because the smaller gauges do not necessarily reset the interia trigger. Rich Cole will do the conversion for $150.
http://www.colegun.com/aboutus.asp
Paul
9x19mm
May 2, 2003, 09:05 AM
Hello PJR
I have just handled a brand new 686E and I could pull the trigger twice (firing pins go off on both bbls) as described by 45auto.
Having seen what I described in my previous post though, I am not confident any more to get the 686.
I think it is a pity to buy a brand new 1.500 euro (1.600 USD) shotgun -as the man in the field did for his daughter- designed for *competition* shooting, and then to try to locate a gunsmith because the second barrel will not fire without "whacking". It could ruin your day -to say the least. I would rather buy something else. Perhaps a Browning. I am not sure now, I have just postponed (cancelled?) the purchase. It is a pity because I really wanted the Beretta.
Stay Low
May 2, 2003, 09:26 AM
My Silver Pigoen came with mechanical triggers and as far as I know they hadn't been altered.
45auto
May 2, 2003, 11:26 AM
The brownings I have are all inertia, and I shoot a lot of 24 gram shells- no problem.
Berettas that I shot years ago were all inertia. But they do a lot of changing to their guns so who knows. Box of chocolates.
However, the inertia blocks can be adjusted(changed) if needed to acommodate lighter loads.
Personal preference to inertia or mechanical triggers. I have owned and shot both, both worked well. Since most clay target sports have some provisions for gun malfunction/ammo problems the inertia triggers are fine, since you don't want to fire the second shot. I'm assuming an ammo problem and not a gun problem.
Personally I don't feel mechanical triggers are more reliable than inertia- opinion anyway.
For hunting, the mechanical is probably better. No refs in the field to take the shot over.
Good luck
When talking about Beretta you can't make definitive statements. Sometimes it seems like they haven't made the same gun twice.
I have guns with recoil and inertia triggers. My Beretta 682 has only not reset with the Winchester Low Noise and Low Recoil everything else has worked.
As for hunting, I don't like either and prefer double triggers.
Paul
9x19mm
May 2, 2003, 04:13 PM
For one more time I would like to thank everyone for their input in this thread. I am taking a long look on the Browning B425 Sporting (with chokes) now. So many good O/Us, so little time..
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