A question for the folks here...


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nick012000
June 22, 2006, 12:28 AM
I know that many states do not recognize other states' concealed carry permits.

How is this possible? Aren't they required to recognize "Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State" as per article 4, section 1 of the US Constitution?

I would think that any successful court challenges to any arrests based on this would be a very big victory to the pro-gun people, so why don't they practice a bit of civil disobedience?

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FTF
June 22, 2006, 12:50 AM
First off... although many peeps here claim to live and breathe by the 2nd amendment, very few of them would actually stand up for it and kill/die accordingly should the situation present itself (NO gun confiscation, they all went along with it, nobody stood up as far as I know). I'm not hating... if I had a family, I would give up... right now when I don't... I would be your little NRA poster child lol.

Actually, a national CCW permit is apparently not that far off in the future.. of course, the minimum requirements will most likely be determined by the most restrictive of the bunch, meaning handgun training/certification etc... bs.. cough... bs.. but it is gaining momentum from what I see. Good way for individual states to blame gun crime on other more progressive states lol it happens...just another infringement.

I'm telling you.. you can read until you're crosseyed into federal gun law and your respective state gun law. You can second-guess every law in existance until you almost convict yourself for thinking too much. Half the people here will explain the 2a to you but your elected officials in your respective states (kali, chicago, etc)... they have no idea what the law is! I look orward to a time I'm arrested in NO and ask the officer to recite the bill of rights... I bet they can't!!!!

I'm way off base lol. Some states require basic handgun safety training. Some do not. Those that do require it are not as likely to accept a ccw from states that do not require.

It's convoluted.

PS... Practicing "civil disobedience" is not how we make a point. Just read the damn 2d amendment..we don't need no stinking interpretations.

Car Knocker
June 22, 2006, 01:02 AM
Aren't they required to recognize "Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State" as per article 4, section 1 of the US Constitution?

In short, no. For example, a doctor licensed in another state couldn't go into yours and set up shop without being licensed by your state. Neither could an attorney, barber or anyone else with a professional license. Marriage licenses aren't universally recognized, either.

nick012000
June 22, 2006, 01:23 AM
I would think those would be coverred by that part of the Constitution as well.

Why aren't they coverred?

geekWithA.45
June 22, 2006, 07:24 AM
so why don't they practice a bit of civil disobedience?

Because if you dig around, you'll find all sorts of examples of failed civil disobedience based around "clever" interpretations of the law such as this.

During the 70's and 80's, there where a number of folks who would react to recent rulings by, for example, constructing machine guns under circumstances manufactured to create a wedge in the issue. AFAIK, these poor sods are still sitting in jail.

The gun rights community isn't into _pointless_ sacrifices that dont' gain anyone anything, because A) they hurt the individual in question, and B) they outcome tends to further cement bad precendent against us.

Civil disobedience tends to change policy under 2 circumstances:

1) Careful preparation and ground work. Rosa Park's bus ride was carefully orchestrated, after years and years of laying the groundwork by a lot of people.

2) Truly massive participation, such as Ohio's Open Carry marches.

Our bitter experience has taught us that such maneuvers are not for amateurs and armchair lawyers, not if we want any good to come of them.

Henry Bowman
June 22, 2006, 09:57 AM
Nick, do a search on this forum for "full faith and credit" or "FF&C" and you will find where this has been explained many times, even within the last month.

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