bad idea to post list of personal arsenal ???


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MIL-DOT
June 22, 2006, 08:33 PM
as tempted as i've been to be "one of the boys" and also list my cool toys at the end of every post,i'm not sure it's such a great idea. consider, everyone here acknowledges our (and every) governments' tendancy to accumulate information and power, and now with the technology to economically and easily record virtually any and everything that crosses their radar screen, could we be making (what i consider) the inevitable seizure of all firearms,that much easier ?:uhoh: just drinkin' and thinkin'............

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MudPuppy
June 22, 2006, 08:50 PM
I have lots of legal guns. I'm getting more. And I'm keeping them as long as the consitution says I can.

We need to desensitize the American public to the misconception that guns are scary or only a few folks have them. I think when downplay the fact that we have guns, we're not doing ourselves any favors. But get a safe. :D

Dave R
June 22, 2006, 09:02 PM
A bad idea? I dunno. Occasionally makes me jealous...

rbernie
June 22, 2006, 09:04 PM
I try to maintain a philosophy that if no good can come from it - don't do it. I can see no good coming from advertising your personal arsenal.

kfranz
June 22, 2006, 09:09 PM
I know it's been a couple of months, but why re-invent the wheel...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=187898

browningguy
June 22, 2006, 09:39 PM
To each his own, no one is going to force you to post a list, so why even talk about not doing it?

Hoploholic
June 22, 2006, 09:47 PM
I own a bunch of tools, but I don't call my garage a tool crib. I also own a grip of firearms and you will never hear me call my gun room an arsenal. Do you also live in a compound? Do your 2 vehicles make a motor pool? My point is, we are embroiled in a cultural war. Public opinion is important, and likewise its import how we present ourselves to those who have no concept of the gun culture save what they read on the internet or see on the evening news.

To answer the original question, I personally don't have a problem posting pics of my collection. The feds already know what I have and if someone thinks they are gonna walk into my house and steal my property they better come with some serious tools of the trade(and hope the owner is not home). Some people value their privacy to a different degree though. I would rather be pleasantly vocal about my hobby and lifestyle. The more we can constructively educate the public, the better.

Hoppy590
June 22, 2006, 09:50 PM
i try to avoid letting out a list of guns, theres just no need to let any potential enemys know you capabilitys.

jamz
June 22, 2006, 10:03 PM
I don't think it's a great idea, but I can't help myself.

-James
;)

________________________________

Glock 21, Sig P239, Blackhawk .45LC, CZ- 75, CZ-76, Blackhawk.357 Ruger No. 1, 30-06, Ruger .44 Sig P229, Ruger 10/22 SS Smith-Wesson SS 686-1 .357, Taraus 38 SS , Charter Arms 38, S&W M19, Remington 870, Remington 238, Remington 700, Remington 597, Mosin 91/30, Mosin-M38, Mosin-30-23 (2005 model) , SKS, SAR1, AK-74, DAVIS .22, Rousch Arms .277, DAVIS .25, Heritage Arms Birds Head 22/22magnum combo H&R .410, H&R .20, Glock 30, Stevens .16, Bushmaster AR-15, Walther P22, Winchester 94 -30.30, Kel-Tec P11, Taurus PT145, Taurus 65, Remington 870, Marlin 336, Mossberg 702 Mossberg 100ATR, Sig P230, Glock 22, Glock 19, Ruger 77/22, KelTec PF-34, 1934 Humbley-Pudge in .333 British, Keiterhauser .22 target, Partridge Arms Pear Tree 360 with a 12" scope.

Kenneth Lew
June 22, 2006, 10:31 PM
The main reason why people post their entire firearm collection list/pictures on the net:

To show everyone else that they got more money for crap than the other person.

EddieCoyle
June 22, 2006, 10:31 PM
Long sigs are rude and waste page space. That's why I don't list mine.

MIL-DOT
June 22, 2006, 10:53 PM
wow...that was wierd. i'd just recently joined this forum merely for some help with AR info.while scrolling back and reading for general info and enlightenment,the idea for this post occured to me,so it was strange to see not only that it had been posted before, but almost word for word !!
what also surprised me,considering the overall quality of the forum and veiws expressed here,was some of the negative and boneheaded responses ( not so much on this thread,but from the link to the previous similar thread).
for instance, senior member card's statement that he doesn't much care what anyone else has,nor should anyone else care what he has.why the hell is he even here ? i mean,if he's at a range and someone next to him has a peice he's never seen before,or has always admired and wanted,or visa versa,will neither of them say hello,express interest and ask a few questions,maybe allow each other to fire a couple rounds ? gimme a break.:confused:
or hoploholics statement about ,"educating the public". does he truly think that the uneducated anti-gun public is trolling here,and gonna be swayed by a detailed list of his arsenal ? really?
i was also dismayed and surprised by how many used the term "paranoid".what,you people work for CNN? i thought we were on the same page here, believing that there is in fact an active and powerful movement with the intention of relieving us all of our firearms.so please,someone tell me how my concern about posting a list of your entire arsenal on THE INTERNET has now become irrational paranoia ????:banghead:
another point repeatedly made was that the "gubment" already knows what we have? really? none of you have guns you bought from freinds, or from a newspaper ad,or inherited,etc?
look,i don't care what any of you folks do,i was just trying to casually make what i felt was a valid point.think i'm gonna disappear for a while now.:cool:

Jim K
June 22, 2006, 10:59 PM
I agree with Mr. Lew. It is simply a kind of bragging and could have unpleasant ramifications. Gun owners are one of the few groups who do something perfectly legal yet still have to fear both the cops and the crooks. Maybe people who want to brag could save the burglars a lot of trouble by also posting their home addresses.

Jim

Nematocyst
June 22, 2006, 11:13 PM
I own four guns, and am researching a fifth (my last for a while, possibly ever).

Wild horses couldn't drag their names/models out of me in this thread. :scrutiny:

But, if anyone (say a DEA agent) wanted to, all one would have to do is search the posts I've made while researching those guns (all purchased since I became a member of THR) to learn which ones I bought.

Does that concern me?

No.

Why should it? All my guns are registered with the state, as required here by law. Why would a government agent {tm} waste time looking through my THR posts while all he has to do is look up my gun ownership in public records?

Nem
________

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

<snip>

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

For What It's Worth: Buffalo Springfield, circa 1967

Low-Sci
June 22, 2006, 11:38 PM
You know, when it comes right down to it, I can't see any harm at all coming out of you saying what firearms you have in your signature. To be totally honest, I don't read the signatures that are just lists of firearms, I find them boring.

But aside from my personal preference, the other thing is when you're on the internet, you have to cruise around prepared to not believe lots of the things you see.

For instance, I could have my signature explain that I own a suppressed MG42, a MAWS, fourteen Vaqueros, dual longslide Devels, a small arsenal's worth of FALs, and, why not, a volleyball cannon. The government reading that list helps them... Well, not at all really, cuz I'm lying my sorry butt off. And in the end, who's to say when someone's lying or telling the truth on the net?

kfranz
June 22, 2006, 11:48 PM
For instance, I could have my signature explain that I own a suppressed MG42, a MAWS, fourteen Vaqueros, dual longslide Devels, a small arsenal's worth of FALs, and, why not, a volleyball cannon.

Low-Sci, I'm dropping my kids off at my moms tomorrow morning, and should be to your place by 10:15. I'll bring the 8mm and x51, we'll put the MG42 and some of the FAL's to use.... :D

MIL-DOT, reading your longer post makes my head hurt. I don't need perfect punctuation or spelling, but c'mon man...

Bwana John
June 23, 2006, 12:22 AM
I like it, it lets me know who the greenhorn type pilgrims are.
Really... who really cares that you got a Jennings .25 ACP, a 870, and a M/N 91-30?

k_semler
June 23, 2006, 12:33 AM
Just for a :p factor:

Mosin Nagant M44
Romanian SAR-1, (tacti-cool for the hell of it)
(2) CZ-52, (1 stock, 1 tricked out)
Ruger 10/22
Norinco SKS
Ruger Mk II


Yep, I like commie guns. Some day, I'll buy an SVD-40. :)

Jay Kominek
June 23, 2006, 12:41 AM
You've obviously struck upon some negatives, and others have been pointed out. Are there any positives? Does the list accomplish anything?
Now, the question you can ask yourself about basically everything, to get a reasonable answer: Do the positives outweigh the negatives?

MIL-DOT
June 23, 2006, 12:51 AM
kfranz....i'd really intended to let this one go,but my curiosity is piqued. exactly what have i mis-spelled or mis-punctuated? and more importantly,am i gonna have to stay after class and clean blackboards ?? ;)

Old Dog
June 23, 2006, 03:01 AM
Gotta come back to what Nematocyst-870 said:All my guns are registered with the state, as required here by law.Aren't you up here in WA, Nem? There's no registration here, no "requirement" whatsover. If you've purchased firearms through an FFL, the BATFE record of sale has been recorded, but your guns aren't "registered" with the state -- in the way one must in states such as California (curse you, DOJ!) or Hawaii ...

M2 Carbine
June 23, 2006, 03:26 AM
This question comes up on many gun boards frequently and the answers are the same.

A far as, "the feds are going to get me or the bad guys are going to get me" fears, has anyone EVER heard of ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME that's been victimized because of posting their gun collections on a gun board?

I guess it's possible and it's possible that I might win the Lottery to.

CajunBass
June 23, 2006, 04:29 AM
Somehow I don't think the government has the time or the money to pay an agent to prowl the internet on the off chance that he might find someone who has listed a gun that they don't know about or can't find out about if they really want to.

I don't think the crooks are going to waste their time doing it either. All they have to do is break into a house. If there are guns there they steal them. If there aren't they'll take the TV and the silverware.

gunsmith
June 23, 2006, 04:56 AM
how many guns I need and how I need to make more money

kfranz
June 23, 2006, 08:18 AM
MIL-DOT, perhaps you have seen other posts or read other materials in which the author used spaces after punctuation marks, and capitlaized the first letter of each sentence.

As for the blackboards, no, you don't have to stay after to do that. I will be requiring that you type up my list of firearms to put in my sig line though...;)

22-rimfire
June 23, 2006, 09:31 AM
I don't believe in making lists for public consumption. I have my favorites and I have certain firearms that I hope to acquire in the future. I doubt if the all encompassing "government" has the time to read posts to determine what your accumulation is. That said, I would entirely expect that if you are involved in a crime, the research would be done.

Question for the Moderators: Has the government or law enforcement ever requested information on a certain THR member and what process do they have to go through to obtain that information?

I don't post anything that I would be worried about law enforcement or other agency to read.

armoredman
June 23, 2006, 10:13 AM
jamz......CZ76?!?!?

Hoploholic
June 23, 2006, 10:22 AM
Can we assume your absence is due someone trying to cross your bridge?

hso
June 23, 2006, 10:24 AM
I understand the concern, but I don't think there's a need to worry about it.

arizcowboy
June 23, 2006, 11:28 AM
Why would I want to let the whole world know how many and what type of guns I own?

jamz
June 23, 2006, 12:15 PM
jamz......CZ76?!?!?

Look very, very carefully at my list. :D

Brian Williams
June 23, 2006, 01:49 PM
<<<<<That's me



<<<<<That's where I live


Probably not a great idea to post everything I have on the World Wide Web, but there are three Brian Williams living in Lancaster, PA. Would not take long to find exactly where I live.



Remember I am armed at home, Left & Right

p35
June 23, 2006, 01:54 PM
I've seen more than one burglary that started with kids talking about all the cool guns Dad has at home. Mine know they aren't allowed to talk about that. I also don't put NRA stickers on my vehicles or carry a long gun in the rear window rifle rack. Why advertise yourself as a good target?

Nathanael_Greene
June 23, 2006, 02:13 PM
I don't own any guns, but I play a gun-owner on the internet.

Nematocyst
June 23, 2006, 03:04 PM
Aren't you up here in WA, Nem?Not quite, Will. I was for a while, but left there a few years ago.

Now I'm wedged into a tiny little state that few even know exists (cause there's so few people in most of it) between WA & CA, north of the state of Jefferson (http://www.jeffersonstate.com/).

And we DO have to register our guns 'down' here. But I have no problem with. If the gov does turn O'fficial nazi {tm} and starts doing gun collections from private citizens, then they gotta find me first... :neener:. Sure, it could happen, but i'm not losing sleep over it at this point. My studio is not a mosque, let alone one that attracts radical extremists; I don't visit radical, extremist web sites; I don't buy nitrate fertilizers; and I don't buy inordinate quantities of guns or ammo; I pay my taxes (when I make enough money to owe taxes :( ).

And as for BG's searching this forum looking for lists so they can come to my place to steal them, they'd have to be cracked out fools to try here. In the first place, my real-space addy is not listed on the forum (even my little sliver of "between Cascades & Pacific" is a BIG place), and neither is my real name.

(No, my real name is not Mr. Nem Atocyst the 870th. I've shared my real name with a few THRers that I know and trust via PMs, but not on the main forums. Paranoid? No, just careful, and I'm not so sure that real names mean anything on an international web forum like this where most of us will never meet in real space. My ideas can stand or fall on their own without revealing who I am publically - which is mostly a nobody anyway.)

Even if a thief could somehow get my company name, because I get service through a non-Ma Bell company, I'm not listed in the local phone book.

Secondly, the way my studio space is set up internally, with so many little port holes from room to room, from level to level, with so many internal security doors and a security system (if I told you more I'd have to kill you :cool: :p ), a cracked-out thief would be at a serious disadvantage here, specially since I don't get out much, and am mostly here working, and am armed.

What? Me worry?

Alfred E Neman

Mannlicher
June 24, 2006, 09:31 AM
Mil-Dot, I have been saying for ages, that its imprudent to put this much personal info on the street. Besides that, IMHO, its a goofy affectation to fill a sig line with that stuff. Just who are they trying to impress?
Others opinions will vary. :D

Geno
June 24, 2006, 09:40 AM
For my part, I prefer to not make a list. I believe that it facilitates some punk using the internet to engage in intelligence about who has what, and possibly to make plans to steal it. So, for my part, I'll never put out a list of what I own.

Doc2005

Michael Courtney
June 24, 2006, 12:55 PM
I would worry more about criminals than the government.

It's generally a bad idea (from a security standpoint) to reveal the location and security plan of any collection of valuable items: money, jewels, art, drugs, firearms, etc. Why invite trouble?

I wouldn't provide an easily accessible list of the firearms in my gun safe any more than I'd reveal how much cash I have on hand or what jewelery or other valuable items my wife might have at home.

I also recommend that gun owners keep at least two gun safes in their home. If there is a break-in and the thieves are after the contents of your gun safe, odds are pretty good they are prepared to attempt to crack your safe, but odds are against them having the time to break into more than one of them. Looking at two or more safes, they are facing the problem of deciding which one to crack to get what they are after, and thus having their plan unexpectedly disrupted, they might just give up.

Michael Courtney

Serendipity
June 24, 2006, 01:34 PM
I consider the listing of one's firearms in a sig line right up there with decorated gold front teeth and spinner wheels.

johnmcl
June 24, 2006, 02:55 PM
Hi all,

I've been reading the thread with great interest as this one seems to resonate with those that think the BG or the gov (some think they are the same) are poised to pounce with this new informaiton.

I'll leave that one for each of our august members to decide for themselves. :)

My complaint against lists is that they screw up my searches. When I'm looking for background info on a weapon and discard hit after hit after hit after hit, ad nauseum, because I'm on some guy's signature line, well.... it colors my view on such things.

John

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