Lifetime License To Carry Hangun:Indiana


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exar
June 23, 2006, 03:47 PM
http://www.in.gov/S43/3-21-06.htm

Does anyone know, or can provide a link, when this will be effective? I can't seem to find a date. IIRC, I heard it was July 1 '06.
Thanks
Brad

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exar
June 23, 2006, 05:42 PM
btt...anyone?

redneck2
June 23, 2006, 07:21 PM
AFAIK, July 1 is correct. I'm goona renew mine then

call the local sheriff, they should know

kludge
June 23, 2006, 08:04 PM
July1.

You can't apply 'till your current permit runs out. To prevent a logistical nightmare, and to make sure the people that need them get them in a reasonable amount of time.

El Tejon
June 24, 2006, 06:51 AM
exar, 7 more days. Relax and practice your drawstroke, or at least looking tactical.:D

Thin Black Line
June 24, 2006, 07:57 AM
Does this now add a training requirement since many states do not
recognise IN's permit due to the lack of it?

kludge
June 24, 2006, 08:59 AM
There are no training requirements.

There are a few places that offer classes so you can get a Florida out-of-state permit which will let you carry in more states, if that's what you need.

The only new requirements (that I can remember offhand) for all permits is that you are now required to notify your local LE if you are no longer a "proper person" (a requirement for obatining a permit). Beforethis was not a requirement, and when the local LE notified you, and you had to surrender your license within x number of days.

I wonder if this falls into the category of self-incrimination, though, which would be protected under the 5th amendment, just like the dude who answered "NO" on the ATF form (the courts upheld his right to do so under the 5th Amendment).

Also, (just like ex-law enforcement that were previously allowed a lifetime permits in Indiana) a lifetime permit holder will be held to the same standard, which is: the permit is automatically revoked if you are no longer a "proper person." I take this to mean, that if you become a felon, your lifetime permit is automatically revoked and no LE/judical action to revoke the lifetime permit is required. I suppose that means if you subsequently carry a handgun you can be charged with "carrying without a license" even if you still "possess" the permit.

Further ther was a provision for electronic fingerprints, supposedly to make online renewals possible. If I read it right.

http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2006&session=1&request=getBill&doctype=SB&docno=0054#latest_info

JBusch8899
June 24, 2006, 11:07 AM
Kludge wrote: You can't apply 'till your current permit runs out. To prevent a logistical nightmare, and to make sure the people that need them get them in a reasonable amount of time.

Where is that written?

AirForceShooter
June 24, 2006, 11:53 AM
and now you're going to have an NCIS check every time you buy a gun.
Assuming you don't already.

AFS

Gray Peterson
June 24, 2006, 12:58 PM
I wonder if this falls into the category of self-incrimination, though, which would be protected under the 5th amendment, just like the dude who answered "NO" on the ATF form (the courts upheld his right to do so under the 5th Amendment).

You're talking about the case from 1968? That was due to a drafting error and that was corrected.

kludge
June 24, 2006, 09:07 PM
jBush8899 wrote:Where is that written?

I heard it at the gun show...

So I looked it up... I guess he was wrong!

SOURCE: IC 35-47-2-6; (06)ES0054.2.5. --> SECTION 5. IC 35-47-2-6 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2006]: Sec. 6. (a) Every initial application for any license under this chapter shall be granted or rejected within sixty (60) days after the application is filed.
(b) The period during which an application for the renewal of an existing license may be filed begins one hundred eighty (180) days before the expiration of the existing license. If the application for renewal of an existing license is filed within thirty (30) days of its expiration, the existing license is automatically extended until the application for renewal is passed upon. An application for a lifetime license may be filed at any time.

kludge
June 24, 2006, 09:20 PM
I wonder if this falls into the category of self-incrimination, though, which would be protected under the 5th amendment, just like the dude who answered "NO" on the ATF form (the courts upheld his right to do so under the 5th Amendment).

You're talking about the case from 1968? That was due to a drafting error and that was corrected.

I think so, I meant this one (w.r.t. gun registration, not the ATF form). Sorry for the confusion:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=22

Third_Rail
June 24, 2006, 09:22 PM
Doesn't the BATFE require at most 4 years to be valid to not need to NICS for a purchase?

Still, seems a small price to pay for lifetime CCW.

Gray Peterson
June 25, 2006, 07:11 PM
They weren't recognizing Indiana licenses for NICS checks anyway.

nipprdog
June 25, 2006, 08:16 PM
I guess he was wrong!

yep.

I recently reapplied. got some good news. was told that if you have a current permit, your fee will only be $100, not $125.

that way you don't lose $25. :D

kludge
June 25, 2006, 10:46 PM
Lonnie Wilson wrote:
They weren't recognizing Indiana licenses for NICS checks anyway.


Correct. It only gets you a pass on the Indiana State check.

cordex
June 30, 2006, 12:57 PM
I received an email (http://www.benswenson.com/news.php?ctrl=viewNews&objid=944) today about the lifetime permits.

Emphasis mine.
From: ********@gov.in.gov
To: ***@benswenson.com
Sent: Fri 6/30/2006 12:20 PM
Subject: Firearm Application Changes

Benjamin,

Changes coming
to gun applications

By CHRIS MEYERS - The Columbia City Post & Mail

Staff writer

Starting July 1 there will be some changes coming to applications and fees for a permit to carry a gun.

These changes affect both the traditional four-year carry permit and the newly-created lifetime carry permit.

The four-year permit will now cost $40, with $10 being for the application and $30 going toward state fees.

A lifetime permit for someone who does not have a current license will cost $125, with $50 going toward the application and $75 for the state fees.

For those who already have a valid permit, the lifetime permit will cost $100, with $40 for the application and $60 for the state fees.

The application process is still the same for both permits with the addition of a supplemental application that must also be completed.

Instead of just having to have a copy of the applicant's fingerprints from one hand being on the back of the permit, there will have to be a full set of fingerprints on an official finger print card.

The application, supplemental and fingerprint card will be given to applicants when they apply for a permit.

Any renewals will now only be accepted 180 days before the expiration of a permit up to the day before expiration.

Anyone with any questions about these new policies should call Gina Kessinger at the Columbia City Police Department at 248-5121 between 7 a.m. and 3 p.m. during the week.

Eric Holcomb
Director, Intergovernmental Affairs
Governor Mitch Daniels
317-234-****
********@gov.in.gov

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