Most Gun Friendly State?


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Hiaboo
June 23, 2006, 11:20 PM
I live in MA which is :barf: and I'm still young with options so I'm looking around for states to move to and possibly get a large chunk of land and a good job but we all know how that happens... So I know the states to NOT to move to.. California, NJ, MD, MA.. etc. FL sounds like a good place but I don't know how I'd feel about being there.

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RNB65
June 23, 2006, 11:29 PM
Virginia is very gun friendly though you're limited to one handgun purchase a month unless you have a CCW permit. No limit for CCW holders. Outside of the three major metro areas (Tidewater/VA Beach, Richmond/Petersburg, Northern VA) there are plenty of wide open rural areas.

Lone_Gunman
June 23, 2006, 11:31 PM
Florida is very good.

Georgia is not so good. Probably the worst southern state, but still a lot better than the North East.

RyanM
June 23, 2006, 11:33 PM
PA isn't bad. CCW is only $19 with no ridiculous proficiency tests or other hoop-jumping. A lot of gun stores and shooting ranges in most places. The one here has pretty reasonable prices on most stuff.

Also, there are a few states in the Northeast that put the South to shame. Vermont allows concealed carry with no permit required. New Hamster has about the same laws on CCW as PA, except their permits are only $10 ($20 for non-resident); also, there's no sales tax or personal income tax there! Maine isn't too awful ($60) and there's a lot of land available and a very low population density, but the taxes up there are kinda ridiculous if you ask me. Connecticut has a surprisingly high percent of the population with CCW, though it's expensive there ($115 or something), and their laws on self-defense aren't that great.

carterbeauford
June 23, 2006, 11:38 PM
PA is very gun-friendly. Move to the middle of the state and you'll have pretty scenery too.

proctorman
June 23, 2006, 11:42 PM
Alabama is very gun friendly. There's no limit on gun purchases, I've bought a couple of handguns at once with no problems.
Check out packing.org to see the concealed weapon laws in all states.

Lone_Gunman
June 23, 2006, 11:44 PM
When I lived in Alabama there was a waiting period to receive handguns. Is that still the case? If so, that don't seem too gun friendly to me.

RNB65
June 23, 2006, 11:45 PM
Check out packing.org to see the concealed weapon laws in all states.

It looks like packing.org may have gone belly up. Their website has been down for several days.

Try this one instead:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

RNB65
June 23, 2006, 11:47 PM
When I lived in Alabama there was a waiting period to receive handguns. Is that still the case? If so, that don't seem too gun friendly to me.

No waiting period in VA. I bought a Springfield 1911 Monday night and I was in and out of the store in less than 15 minutes.

:)

mp510
June 23, 2006, 11:48 PM
Vermont is great except they currently prohibit suppressors. New Hampshire and Vermont are both very gun freindly places. However, I have noticed that there seems to be a lacking number of gun shows in northern New England, except for those run by DiPrete.

Does PA still have the $5 background check fee, per gun??
That is probably one of the bigger downsides, along with the periodic banter by some of the urban leftist state legislators who periodically bantrer about banning assualt weapons.

Lately, Florida has been doing a wonderful job when it comes to protecting peoples rights to bear arms, hunt, and use those weapons for personal protection. However, there is other downsides to FL that need to be considered including the annual hurricane risk, etc...

Isn't Alaska pretty RKBA friendly, and rural. The biggest problem is the seperation from the lower 48 (and the sub freezing temps). Many companies don't ship ammo up there, so with some calibers you would end up being stuck.

proctorman
June 23, 2006, 11:51 PM
Lone Gunman,
There is no longer a waiting period, I got mine the same day I bought them.

Bwana John
June 23, 2006, 11:56 PM
AZ... open carry, car carry, easy CCW, MG friendly, instant check, LOTS of open public land to shoot and hunt on, and the best gunshows left in this country.

mordechaianiliewicz
June 23, 2006, 11:57 PM
I live in MO, which is okay, but we still have some stupid restrictions here.

I've been to both Idaho, and Nevada. To me, Idaho is a gun owner's dream in tersmof laws, and moreso than that, acceptance of gun owners. (I worry about Californication)

Nevada has more of the Californication factor, but gun laws are very friendly there. Lots of folks even have fa weapons. Lots of good land for shooting. And, a much more libertarian flavor than the more conservative Idaho. (just as you'd expect from a state with no income tax and legalized prostitution and gambling.

grizz
June 24, 2006, 12:04 AM
I'm happy here in Utah. CCW, insta-check, car carry, tons of public land...

BTW Utah had the highest % for Bush in the last election. I think it was something like 80%.

freebird
June 24, 2006, 12:04 AM
Oklahoma has been pretty good to me. I was truly amazed when visiting my friend in Wyoming however. You talk about endless places to shoot! From what I understand they have the CCW liscense but you can and always have been able to open carry as long as 50% of the gun is showing from what I have been told. But I had a blast going out there shooting up prarie dogs:evil:

bpisler
June 24, 2006, 12:26 AM
Another vote for arizona,where else could i have
open carried for 13 years and not be hassled.I
do plan moving back to alaska in a few years.I
don't think of the seperation from the lower 48
as a problem,it's one of the reasons i'am
moving back.

RyanM
June 24, 2006, 12:58 AM
Does PA still have the $5 background check fee, per gun??

Not with either of the guns I've bought lately. Not with any of the guns I've ever bought, but I'm still young. Then again, it may have just been included in the price of the gun / transfer fee.

Lt. G
June 24, 2006, 01:09 AM
Love the gun laws here in my great state of Florida, but can't you open carry in Alaska? Also don't a lot of people have automatic weapons up there? Where is dear old Wildalaska when we need him???, ( he is one cool cat!!)

Dmack_901
June 24, 2006, 01:19 AM
Alaska I believe.

http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=AK&choose_state=Go

New Hamp. is pretty good.

http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=NH

Cosmoline
June 24, 2006, 01:21 AM
No question, ALASKA. It has Vermont carry without Vermont politics or the uncomfortable proximity of Ted Kennedy and the Boston hordes.

The biggest problem is the seperation from the lower 48

You make that sound like a *BAD* thing.

Winter temps. are moderate for SE and SC--far more reasonable than much of the mid-west. Summers in SC are phenomenal.

tommys
June 24, 2006, 02:37 AM
Hello Hiaboo. You need to add a state to your don't move to list - the not so great state of Illinois. There is NO concealed carry law. If the cops find a loaded gun in your car it is at least a misdemeanor, possibly a felony.

The Communists who run this workers paradise have dreamed up this cute little ploy to hamper your rights called a FOID (Firearm Owners Identification) card. You must have it to possess or buy firearms, ammunition, powder, bullets, primers and even air rifles if the velocity is over 700 fps.

Our Governor, Comrade Blagovich, has cut the budget on the State Police Unit which issues the FOID card. When I renewed my card in 2001 it took 10 days from the time I mailed the application till I got the new card. This year it took almost 7 weeks. If I hadn't mailed my application in 2 months early, I would have been technically guilty of a misdemeanor. A second violation would be a felony.

The waiting period on handguns is 72 hours and 24 hours on long guns . The only public rifle range that I am aware of in the northern third of the State is in Ottawa about 2 hours from Chicago.

You guys in gun friendly states are lucky. I can't wait to get out of this state. Thanks for allowing me to get this off my chest.

jrou111
June 24, 2006, 03:00 AM
Alabama is very good to gun nuts :) Land is cheap too :)

I live on the Gulf Coast in Mobile, but far enough away to not be terribly affected by hurricanes.

Open carry, no waiting on anything, no classes for $20 CCW.

Lower AL is an absolutely great place to live, VERY low property property tax (mine is only $300/yr)

Outside city limits you can shoot on your land all you want.

North AL is also very beautiful, as it leads into more mountainous country.


Plus AL gets a failing grade from the Brady bunch :D

Gotta love it :)

Hoppy590
June 24, 2006, 03:01 AM
dont even get me started on MA

No new "assault rifles" ( still have a state assault ban)
No new "hi-caps"
no ordering cool stuff from other states ( ammo, crossbows, almost anything)


you need to get an FID ( fire arms identification) card to handle a gun. need to be 18 to buy a non hicap/"assault" rifle/shotgun
need an FID class d ( i think its class d) for mace.
Need FID class c for long guns ( 70+$ course and then like 100$ fee fo the license)

need a LTC ( license to carry) to get a pistol.
Class B for "sporting" which is to and from hunts/range ONLY
Class A for conceiled carry ( issued at the discression of the town PD chief)
( more fees and classes for the LTC, though i took the LTC class for my FID , sneaky eh?)

gay laws that no "pistol" ammunition will be sold to anyone under 21. ( the mere idea that ther is such thing as "pistol" ammuntion is rediculous. almost ANY pistol caliber can be found in rifle/carbine form, MAYBE witht he exception of .380 and .25. though im sure im mistaken)

toivo
June 24, 2006, 04:29 AM
From MA, the most logical hop-skip-and-jump is VT. And the people there won't even think you talk funny!

mljdeckard
June 24, 2006, 04:54 AM
Another mention about UT, I encourage EVERYONE to acquire a UT CCW permit, you don't have to be a resident, and it is honored in many other states.

In my home county, one town has a mandatory ownership law, another passed a law prohibiting the United Nations. Getting the picture?

Zen21Tao
June 24, 2006, 04:56 AM
I have to go with FL. When it comes to gun rigts FL often lays the groundwork for most other states. For example, FL is the home of the "stand your ground" law and has just recently passed a bill to insure people retain their rights to CCW during a 'state of emergency' situation. FL also just passed a bill to allow CCW in state and national parks. In addition, FL doesn't have any firearm purchase limits, FL allows long gun purchases from contiguous states, has the best reciprication of any CCW state, allows class 3 weapons and it's CCWs are shall issue.

quazi
June 24, 2006, 11:58 AM
IIRC, Alaska is the most gun friendly with Vermont coming in a close second. Vermont is located fairly close to where you live now.

Alaska is, IMO, the best place to live in on earth. But I'm a little biased, and I've never been outside of North America.

The-Fly
June 24, 2006, 12:05 PM
any of the mountain states are pretty gun friendly.

WA, OR, AZ, NV, NM arent too shabby either gun wise. The Mid west is hit or miss as far as CCW and open carry goes. The South is generally decent.

armoredman
June 24, 2006, 12:10 PM
Another vote for AZ. No registration, licensing, waiting period,(15 min for the Brady check.), shall issue CCW permit, ( 8 hour class, $65, good for 5 years, no class to renew), open carry, car carry, castle doctrine, mandatory storage laws for public buildings/events, (getting better by 2008, they have to make it convienent for gunowners), NFA legal, CCW permit is NOT weapon specific,( so carry your pistol, battle axe, and legal NFA all concealed at the same time, if you wish.), no AWB, no ammo ban, no magazine limit, no purchase frequency restriction, (ie one-a-month), firearms education optional for public schools, (range time MANDATORY to pass), public ranges go up every year, (Ben Avery shooting range named one of the "jewels of the state" by our Democratic governor), pardon me, *BREATHE*, state pre-emption law, (kinda weak, but not too bad, no Morton Groves here!),and AZ now recognizes ALL other CCW permits from any state.....
I am not sure, but I probably missed a few positive things.:cool:

Hardware
June 24, 2006, 05:25 PM
From MA, the most logical hop-skip-and-jump is VT. And the people there won't even think you talk funny!

And after you live there for ten years or so the local will figure you aren't going to leave so they may as well talk to you. :neener:

No, seriously, VT, NH and ME are probably the best New England choices.

Ship A'Hoy
June 24, 2006, 11:05 PM
Pa is very gun friendly.

Allegheny County has one unheralded distinction: We’re hidden handgun heaven.

http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/sc...t.cfm?ref=4897

Number One With a Bullet

We may no longer be the most livable city, but Pittsburghers still have one more top national ranking to make their chests puff with pride: Allegheny County may issue more concealed carry gun permits than anywhere else in the country.

According to the Allegheny County Sheriff’s office, there are 47,278 active concealed carry permits, with another 2,000 or so in the process of being renewed. These permits allow citizens to carry concealed handguns anywhere, apart from schools, courthouses and other restricted places, without having to show any particular need or reason. A study by City Paper of the 26 states that collect and release county-based data found that Allegheny County’s active permits top the nation in sheer numbers and place us third per capita, with 3.75 percent of our 1.3 million residents packing.

Westmoreland County, meanwhile, tops the nation in per-capita carry permits with a staggering 10.2 percent (or 37,417) of its 368,224 residents granted permits.

“It’s pretty troublesome that one in 25 Allegheny County residents have the right to carry a concealed weapon,” says Chad Ramsey, field director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “I don’t care how careful anyone is, having that many guns on the streets when you have no discretion to deny the permits or any power to require training is asking for trouble.”

When Henry Hoffman decides to carry a concealed gun, he says, chances are you’d never know it. With his legal Pennsylvania concealed carry permit he’s free to pack heat anytime he wants. And that’s part of his point.

“I don’t carry all the time, but there are times when I have to carry a large amount of money on me,” says the first vice president of the Allegheny County Sportsmen’s League and the caretaker of the Monroeville-Pitcairn Sportsmen’s Club. “To be honest, there are also certain areas I wouldn’t walk in without a gun. Certain areas are known to be pretty nasty.”

The record number of residents packing doesn’t surprise Hoffman. He says Allegheny County residents take their right to bear arms seriously. And as the large number of firearm safety classes offered in the county shows, he says, county residents are responsible gun owners who have earned the right to carry.

The intent and the effect of concealed weaponry is to force criminals to play Russian roulette, says Edward Leddy, former editor of the Second Amendment Foundation’s Journal on Firearms and Public Policy. “A study that I conducted showed that one out of every 20 people eligible for a permit actually takes one out,” he says. “Criminals are thus left to decide if they really want to figure out which one has the gun.”

That, or they’re encouraged to pack something, just in case.

People also get permits to avoid hassles over other gun regulations, Leddy says. While target-shooting enthusiasts, for instance, don’t need a permit to transport a gun, a permit saves problems if they’re stopped in their vehicles.

But the biggest reason people carry, Leddy says, is personal protection. One in five who pack are women, he says.

“The most effective tool a woman can have to avoid being raped is a handgun,” Leddy says. “They can talk all they want about karate, mace, a knife and a big bunch of keys, but if you have that gun, you will stop that attack before it starts, without a doubt.”

But B.J. Horn, executive director of Pittsburgh Action Against Rape, says Leddy’s assessment is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. Seventy-five percent of all rape victims know their attackers; half of all victims are younger than 18 and a quarter are younger than 12. The idea that a handgun would prevent those rapes, says Horn, furthers the myth that most rapes are perpetrated by strangers.

“The bottom line,” she says, “is if you carry a deadly weapon, especially one that you’re not prepared to use, then it can be used against you.”

The Rosenberg Institute’s Glosser says he has long been familiar with the gun advocate’s argument that more guns mean less crime. They use “funny science” to find numbers to fit their needs, he says. He points to other countries, particularly in Western Europe, in which gun ownership is severely restricted and handgun deaths are “exponentially lower.

“The state removed most urban areas’ rights to control guns, subjecting urban areas to the same laws as rural and suburban areas,” he says. “It’s clear that we need to have local authority over who can and can’t carry.”

Allegheny County’s main competitors for top gun-toting county are places you’d expect to put up a fight: red states and murder capitals.

Lake County, Indiana, for instance, the home of Gary, is second per capita at 4.2 percent. Cause or effect, it’s probably related to Gary’s per-capita murder rate, which hit a nationwide high in 1993 of 89 murders per 100,000 residents and still sits at 57.7 murders per 100,000 people.

Counties that issue the bulk of permits are concentrated in six states: Florida, Michigan, Texas, Utah, Arizona and Indiana. Most of the top 25 permit-issuing counties are in typically conservative states in the South, West and Midwest.

The exceptions are Pennsylvania, Michigan and Vermont. Vermont has no concealed-carry restrictions and allows all residents to carry without a permit.

In Michigan, the largest number of permits, according to a spokeswoman for the Michigan State Police, are in the three counties that encompass the Detroit metro area, which had nearly 400 homicides and more than 800 shootings in 2004, according to the Detroit News.

Part of the reason Pennsylvania and these other states top the packing list is because we are among the 35 whose statutes dictate the state “shall issue” a permit unless the applicant is a convicted of certain crimes, including second-degree felonies and multiple DUIs.

Ten states -- New York, New Jersey, Alabama, California, Delaware, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Hawaii -- allow restricted permit issuance. That includes four of the six states that border Pennsylvania. Their laws say such permits “may” be issued at the discretion of local law enforcement. Four states -- Kansas, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Illinois – do not issue concealed-carry permits.

“The two main problems we have with the law” in Pennsylvania, says the Brady Campaign’s Ramsey, “is that there is no requirement to take a gun safety course and that law enforcement has no discretion when handing these things out. If the person is a domestic abuser, or just a little off, but never convicted, he can’t be denied a permit. That’s a little scary.”

Even in Alabama, some aspects of Pennsylvania’s permissive permitting don’t sit well. Pat Roberts, Alabama’s deputy attorney general, has been working on reciprocity agreements between Alabama and other concealed-carry states, like Pennsylvania. “Here,” Roberts says, “the chief or the sheriff likely knows the person he’s giving a permit to and he can deny the permit even if he has the feeling that the guy might just be a little off.”

Ramsey says there is a growing gun culture in Pennsylvania, pointing to the large number of guns in the state -- more than 500,000 handguns purchased in the past five years, according to data from the Pennsylvania State Police. He also cites the claim of the Pittsburgh-based Rosenberg Institute for Peace and Justice, which led local protests against the National Rifle Association convention in Pittsburgh last spring, that Pennsylvania has been second in the number of gun shows only to Texas.

What worries Rosenberg’s Nathaniel Glosser is the number of legal guns he assumes are being carried without permits. “The residents of this county would be better off,” he says, “if we had officials who were more interested in advancing gun control in this county.”

Local law enforcement can’t explain the top rankings of Western Pennsylvania counties.

Allegheny County Sheriff Pete DeFazio didn’t return calls seeking comment.

Westmoreland County Sheriff Chris Scherer knew his county had the highest permits per capita in the state, but the national prominence surprised him a bit. Part of the reason for the large number of permits may be the high number of sportsmen and responsible gun owners, he speculates.

“We do have a lot of permits,” says Scherer, “but we haven’t seen any problems because of it. In fact, we haven’t had a homicide this year and I’ve never known for firearms-related crimes to involve a permitted gun.”

Violent crime rates nationwide in 2004 dropped 1.7 percent overall, and 2.1 percent in metropolitan counties. Violent crimes in Allegheny County decreased about 1 percent in 2003, but homicides saw a 36 percent increase.

Barry McCarthy, a criminal law professor with the University of Pittsburgh, says the city in particular was overrun with gang violence in the early 1990s and a large number of people rushed in those years to get a permit to carry a concealed handgun.

“I wasn’t aware that we were developing that hysterical climate again, although some of it ... may have returned in the past year or so,” McCarthy says. “The number [of permits] compared to the rest of the state seems disproportionate. I don’t know why it’s so high.”

Some rushes on gun-carrying permits may be correlated with a rise in violent crime. For example, in 2003, Allegheny County processed a six-year high 11,326 permits, according to state police, who collect each county’s data. That year also saw the county hit a record number of murders with 125.

But not all spikes may be motivated by fear. Scherer says permits in Westmoreland County spiked in 2003 because it was the end of their five-year permitting cycle and many active permits had to be renewed.

Meanwhile, Allegheny County, only the 28th most populous in America, may remain number one in concealed-carry permits for some time.

“I know there’s a name put to a person who decides to carry a firearm for personal protection,” says Allegheny County Sportsmen’s Henry Hoffman. That name would be gun nut. “But in the end? I really don’t care.

“There are a lot of young people out there with no regard for their own life and absolutely no regard for yours,” he says. “They’ve got illegal firearms and they don’t care who they hurt. You have to take care of yourself.”

cbsbyte
June 25, 2006, 01:06 AM
People like Hoppy590 who do not know MA gun laws do a great disservice to MA residents and people who want to travel here. Check out www.goal.org for the correct infomation on MA gun laws.

RugerSAFan
June 25, 2006, 01:25 AM
Pretty pleased with VA.

When I ride the motorbike, I often open-carry.

Sure wish they would lift the ban on concealed carry, however, in locations that serve alcohol. Interestingly, one can open-carry legally in such establishments.

Lennyjoe
June 26, 2006, 12:39 PM
Yep, Arizona is pretty darn close to the top of the list.

carnaby
June 26, 2006, 12:59 PM
Actually, Oregon and Washington are pretty good. We can use all the pro-2A people we can get too, to help keep the pacific northwest the way it is.

SuperNaut
June 26, 2006, 01:03 PM
Utah is pretty gun friendly, now alcohol and/or porn is a whole 'nother...

Hogfan1911
June 27, 2006, 12:45 AM
Arkansas. I know, "but what about that certain former president?" Amazing how many people I know who now refuse to admit that they actually voted for him. Overall, this is still a conservative & gun-friendly state, especially the NW, which is exploding in both population and economy. No waiting period, no purchase limit, easy to get CCW, can carry any legal handgun with your CCW. Only restriction on handgun type is that if you qualify w/a revolver you can only carry a revolver. Can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, but not bars. Working on a "castle doctrine" law like Fla's. Not sure about the rest of the state but central AR has 2 large gun clubs set up for IDPA, an indoor handgun range, and a Game & Fish Comm operated outdoor pistol/rifle/skeet/trap range with great facilities for cheap ($2 per person for rifle or pistol all day, $3 per round skeet/trap). Still a lot of public land too, especially in the west.

BTW, those of you in states w/open carry, I've always been curious about that. How often do you carry openly, or see others doing so? Wish we had that here.

Sinsaba
June 27, 2006, 12:21 PM
I went to the Brady campaign web site :barf: (see what I do for you all?) and got a list of all of their D- and F states (figuring what they think is bad we would think was good). The 12 BEST states are as follows (remember, an F is very good stands for FINE).

NM F
TX D-
LA F
MS F
AL F
KY F
OH D-
OK D-
WY F
MT F
ID F
UT D-

mio
June 27, 2006, 12:38 PM
I believe that remmington made the .25 pump in the the 30-50s at the same time as they made the .35 pump. Havent seen the .380 or 9mm in rifle yet. And while we are on gun laws i live in michigan you cant buy a new pistol unless you are 21+ but can buy a used one when you are 18. Figure that one out.

Roadwild17
June 27, 2006, 12:57 PM
I was told in Louisiana if your 18 you can legally own and carry a pistol as long as you didn’t buy it. I know someone who was 19 and caught speeding in a school zone. When the cops stopped him and say his glock 19 and a mossy 590, they took both. They went to court and all the blah blah blah, ATF experts were that and last weekend we feed his G19 close to 500 rounds. Adult bought him the gun and did a handwritten transfer. After I talked to the AFT guy and he told me "On the handwritten transfer you can say you sold the gun for anything, but being he was under 21 alcohol probably wouldn’t be a good idea." He once saw a handwritten transfer for half a bag of stale cheezy-puffs.

Luckily I’m 21 & don’t have to bother with this crap.

exar
June 27, 2006, 12:58 PM
Wow...not one person even mentioned IN. And IN got a D- on the Brady list. Sure to be an F now that we have Lifetime Concealed Handgun License.:D Plenty of affordable land here and guns are seen as American as apple pie here by the locals. People here vote candidates in based on their stance with 2nd Amend.

MLH
June 27, 2006, 01:48 PM
Great for guns (think Knob Creek), fair for jobs:scrutiny: .

MP Sniper
June 27, 2006, 03:24 PM
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH why do i have to live in New Jersey:mad: :(

rev214
June 27, 2006, 03:33 PM
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH why do i have to live in New Jersey

if you think about it, PRNJ is the most friendly gun state...
those nice rifles stay looking brand spankin' new in the gun cabinet 'cause with all the regulations you're rarely permitted to use them...:banghead:

Hoppy590
June 27, 2006, 04:33 PM
People like Hoppy590 who do not know MA gun laws do a great disservice to MA residents and people who want to travel here. Check out www.goal.org for the correct infomation on MA gun laws.

care to be more specific?

dont even get me started on MA

No new "assault rifles" ( still have a state assault ban)
True
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/2004reform.pdf
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131m.htm
No new "hi-caps"
i always lump this in with the assault ban, some say its differant but for MA it might aswell be the same


no ordering cool stuff from other states ( ammo, crossbows, almost anything)
Hazy gray area. i may, STRESS MAY, have been wrong on this.
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/ammo.html
the MA gov. has fined out of state dealers for allegedly breaking our laws. so though there may not be any definitave law on the subject it is treat by the state as a violation because you need to be "dualy licensed" to sell ammo in MA
(http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-122b.htm) causeing vendors to avoid MA so they wont get caught up in it all. ( if you dont believe me look in a "cheaper than dirt" catalog, or any other catalog, all the cool stuff. ammo,crossbows, dummy guns. they all have a little "1"with a truck picture telling you to see the shipping details, and they say, cannon ship to MA)

you need to get an FID ( fire arms identification) card to handle a gun. need to be 18 to buy a non hicap/"assault" rifle/shotgun

true.
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/structure.pdf


need an FID class d ( i think its class d) for mace.
sorry, its "restricted class" not class D, but still true
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/structure.pdf


Need FID class c for long guns ( 70+$ course and then like 100$ fee fo the license)
true. again
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/structure.pdf


need a LTC ( license to carry) to get a pistol.
Class B for "sporting" which is to and from hunts/range ONLY
Class A for conceiled carry ( issued at the discression of the town PD chief)
( more fees and classes for the LTC, though i took the LTC class for my FID , sneaky eh?)

True ( though fuzzy wording. that was how it was explained to me by a chief of police )
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/aandbdifferences.pdf

gay laws that no "pistol" ammunition will be sold to anyone under 21. ( the mere idea that ther is such thing as "pistol" ammuntion is rediculous. almost ANY pistol caliber can be found in rifle/carbine form, MAYBE witht he exception of .380 and .25. though im sure im mistaken)
still looking for source on this last one, though im sure ive seen it before

pdowg881
June 27, 2006, 04:39 PM
NH isn't bad, and its right below where you live.

jman74
June 27, 2006, 06:20 PM
Conn. is close by as well. Certain 'assault wapons' are still banned, but hi-cap mags are back. Concealed carry is pretty easy to obtain. When I got my fingerprints taken the local cop told me thought everyone should have one. Unless you have a common last name you can even buy a gun on sunday when the DPS is closed. Just stay away from Hartford or Groton as I've heard those two towns do everything in their power to delay the application even though it's "shall issue" and not "may isssue" in CT.

loganoutpost
June 27, 2006, 07:48 PM
One vote for Ky reasons below.

1. State pre-emptive law. No city,county or municipial goverment can pass any gun laws.
2. Open carry legal without permit. CCDWL 12 bucks a year (5 years=60 bucks)
3. That permit is a Concealed Carry Deadly weapons Liscense by the way. Besides handguns we can carry swithblades, nunchucks, throwing stars and and the classic Any Other Deadly Weapon. The sawed off shotgun under the trench coat is legal here.

CSA 357
June 27, 2006, 07:48 PM
alabama and mississippi are pretty good places for gun nuts like me!*csa*:)

Gun_nut
June 27, 2006, 08:45 PM
Id say vote for oregon/washington just stay out of the cities like corvallis eugene, maybe portland and your set here in the small towns guns=great in one restaurant in sisters the whole restaurant was filled with guns, they had a little tab with ( Than manu. the caliber The mag cap and if it was lever action or bolt)
And the Scenery here in the east willamate valley is beautiful plenty of forest and hills.

DPB
June 28, 2006, 02:29 PM
I think the $5 per gun thing in PA is a state tax, not a background check cost.

Prior to signing on with Uncle Sam, I grew up in south central PA. The only things I would say negative is that non-hunting firearms tend to be more expensive and available in less variety than in some other places I've lived, specifically North Carolina, and the kind of competitive shooting I do (USPSA/3 Gun) is pretty uncommon. Also, those posessing Evil Black Rifles and such will occasionally get the "What do you need that for?" line of questioning.

A lot of non hunting guns go for MSRP, which all of you know tends to be well above the usual rack price.

The no fuss $20 CCW is nice. Every time I renew mine, though, I have to ask for the phone book to find some references who might know me.

The non-gun related downside to PA is that they have a lot of potential to become the next welfare state. That and they have this wonderful program of putting halfway houses from major cities in the vicinity of where I grew up, which has cause the drug related crime to go through the roof in the last ten years.

Cosmoline
June 28, 2006, 08:43 PM
I went to the Brady campaign web site (see what I do for you all?) and got a list of all of their D- and F states (figuring what they think is bad we would think was good). The 12 BEST states are as follows (remember, an F is very good stands for FINE).

NM F
TX D-
LA F
MS F
AL F
KY F
OH D-
OK D-
WY F
MT F
ID F
UT D-

Alaska is an F+, why didn't you include it?

grimjaw
June 28, 2006, 09:24 PM
If you don't count King County, Washington state is very nice, but I don't know about the best. It's on par or better than where I grew up (Arkansas).

jmm

sofltodd
June 29, 2006, 02:20 AM
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=fl

Florida is a F+ as well. Florida has sexy women in bikinis, machine guns, suppressors, competitive shooting in all areas of shooting sports and palm trees. What isn't to love?

RioShooter
June 29, 2006, 02:43 AM
I'll put in a vote for Texas. Plentiful indoor and outdoor ranges, trap and skeet clubs, wide open spaces (West Texas), CCW for 10 years, legal carry of loaded long guns, white wing dove hunting, Academy Sports Stores, no snow south of San Antonio! Also Southwest Airlines is gun friendly, and will fly you all over the country.

quazi
June 29, 2006, 05:10 AM
Florida is a F+ as well. Florida has sexy women in bikinis, machine guns, suppressors, competitive shooting in all areas of shooting sports and palm trees. What isn't to love?
The hot weather, hurricanes, and men in speedos.

Just joking with you, well except the part about speedos. :barf:

Edit: You have snakes too.:eek:

Tried'nTrue
June 29, 2006, 08:20 AM
NM isn't a bad place for firearms owners. For those wanting a good-paying, reliable job, however... :o

Beachmaster
June 29, 2006, 08:50 AM
Another nod to Arizona! Nice attitude about weapons here. The only thing I can say bad about the place is that it gets a bit hot in the summer months in a few areas!

IrvJr
June 29, 2006, 10:16 AM
NH is very good. Open carry without any permit is allowed (although probably not recommended). It's a shall-issue state. My concealed handgun permit was approved in one day (although in other towns it may take longer)! Class 3 stuff (including silencers and full auto) are allowed.

Also, no income tax, etc..

Dr. Dickie
June 29, 2006, 10:20 AM
Go to the Brady babies web page for state rankings: http://www.stategunlaws.org/

Any state with an F, is an acceptable state to live in.
Florida F+ (but we are trying for an F-).

alex_trebek
June 29, 2006, 10:32 AM
Indiana hasnt been given a fair representation here. I dont know why we got a D+ on the brady grades, but the laws are pretty relaxed. With the exception of South Bend, the leniency is restricted by the Feds. No magazine cap requirement at all. Its legal to saw off a shotgun and conceal it (check the laws for length). Class 3 autos, and suppressors are legal. CCW is 25 dollars for the 4 year, and i think 100 for the lifetime. Recently I heard rumors of the ATF getting on Indiana's case about our background checks, saying that too many felons were being given CCW's (I am not saying that is good, just pointing out how easy it is to get one). Because of that starting next month even if you have a CCW you have to go through two background checks, before only had to go through the fed. Only have to go through the fed background for long guns. No registering of any firearms required, and I dont even know if you can with the state or not. The Indy 1500 is every three months or so, and claims to be the biggest gun and knive show this side of the Mississippi. there is no law requiring one to conceal per se, but it is highly encouraged by law enforcement. Only bad thing is its hard to find a decent job, depending on your field of employment.

Gun_nut
June 29, 2006, 11:37 AM
dang oregon has a C- least its not a c+ but the ccw part oregon has a D-
And the have the triangle of Death! It has the NRa/Congress/corrupt gun dealers...:fire:

exar
June 29, 2006, 12:08 PM
Only bad thing is its hard to find a decent job, depending on your field of employment.

Really? You need to come down here to Evansville then. This city is blowin' up. We got mines owned by Peabody, ALCOA is here, Vectren runs all the power, Deaconess just opened a brand new state-of-the-art hospital. I'm a technician with Celergy Networks so I know there are IT based companies around. Engineers are in demand as well and I heard a new Honda plant is opening SE of Indy and will be hiring 2000 new workers.

alex_trebek
June 29, 2006, 02:02 PM
Yeah everyone here is so pro union they have ran out any buisness interested in building here. Indy, northern indiana, and evansville all seem to be doing well. I probably should of made that distinction.

jamz
June 29, 2006, 02:53 PM
Dude, as much as New England is polluted by the likes of MA, RI, CT and NY, we also have VT, NH and ME, all extremely gun friendly states. A CCW in NH is ten bucks for a resident. In Maine here it's a whopping $35. All shall issue, no waiting, no nothing- only law I don't like is that you can't carry in schools.

Sinsaba
June 29, 2006, 03:55 PM
... Alaska is an F+, why didn't you include it? ...


Sorry for the oversight Cosmoline, no slight intended. Since this thread started I have started looking a bit more into this. I found that even though Alaska has an F there is one thing I don't really care for. It appears (according to the Brady gang) that the Attorney General can regulate guns as opposed to the normal process that determine the laws in that state. To me that is a BAD thing.

I have a short list of 3 states Kentucky, Arizonia*, and my favorite,
Utah. Florida didn't make the cut because of hurricains and such. Of the 3, Kentucky has the lowest average per capita income so that sort of puts it at the bottom of my list.


* Arizonia has a limited form of preemption in that localities can prohibit carry in parks.

stevelyn
June 29, 2006, 10:26 PM
The biggest problem is the separation from the Lower 48.

It's not a problem. Most of us prefer it that way. It tends to keep all but the most highly motivated riff-raff out.:scrutiny:

As for our Brady Trash Grade it's plummeting like a thermometer in Fairbanks in January. With two new gun bills signed into law SB 400 (Stand Your Ground........mostly) and HB 200(?) Prohibiting Confiscation During Emergencies (only one in US that provides penalties against persons doing so) it's likely Alaska will lose the + and drop lower during the next Brady Trash grading period.

Cosmoline
June 29, 2006, 11:10 PM
that the Attorney General can regulate guns as opposed to the normal process that determine the laws in that state. To me that is a BAD thing

That's bunk. I have no idea where they're getting that. The Alaska AG heads the Department of Law and advises state government. The department's regulations are limited to those roles.

http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title44/Chapter23/Section020.htm

Valkman
June 30, 2006, 01:26 AM
Well NV rated a D and that ain't bad. :)

I would think there's other considerations, like living in snow 6 months of the year or 90% humidity or like here, hellish heat. I was stunned to learn NV is ranked 50th in education - yet 7k people come here to live every month. Guess they don't care about their kids much or don't bother to find out.

Florida has sexy women in bikinis, machine guns, suppressors, competitive shooting in all areas of shooting sports and palm trees. What isn't to love?

We have all that too except the women are naked! :p

Outlaws
June 30, 2006, 02:19 AM
Here in AZ we have little standing in the way of fun with guns. I wouldn't move to the center the the phoenix metro area because its really starting to get to be a LONG drive out to open desert, but there are 2 outdoor ranges and a few about 5 indoor ranges taht I know of. But Northern AZ would be where you could still buy some land that you could shoot on without having a city block pop up on you in 5 years.

Seriously.....I think the city is about at least a good 60 miles across in any direction.

Matthew748
June 30, 2006, 08:45 AM
I have gotta go with Indiana. CCW permits are relatively painless to get and the service is prompt. No waiting periods either. You may need a CCW permit to negate the waiting period, I am not sure.

The only problem is that we (on the border anyway) get inundated with folks from Illinois who cross the border to take advantage of our free public ranges and to buy cheaper cigarettes, gasoline, and fireworks. It is like a mob scene on the weekend with folks heading east, it really screws up traffic.

mrmeval
June 30, 2006, 09:10 AM
IC 35-47-1-10
"Sawed-off shotgun"
Sec. 10. "Sawed-off shotgun" means:
(1) a shotgun having one (1) or more barrels less than eighteen (18) inches in length; and
(2) any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

IC 35-47-5-4.1
Sawed-off shotgun
Sec. 4.1. (a) A person who:
(1) manufactures;
(2) causes to be manufactured;
(3) imports into Indiana;
(4) keeps for sale;
(5) offers or exposes for sale; or
(6) gives, lends, or possesses;
any sawed-off shotgun commits dealing in a sawed-off shotgun, a Class D felony.
(b) The presence of a weapon referred to in subsection (a) in a motor vehicle (as defined under IC 9-13-2-105(a)) except for school buses and a vehicle operated in the transportation of passengers by a common carrier (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-4) creates an inference that the weapon is in the possession of the persons occupying the motor vehicle. However, the inference does not apply to all the persons occupying the motor vehicle if the weapon is found upon, or under the control of, one (1) of the occupants. In addition, the inference does not apply to a duly licensed driver of a motor vehicle for hire who finds the weapon in the licensed driver's motor vehicle in the proper pursuit of the licensed driver's trade.
(c) This section does not apply to a law enforcement officer who is acting in the course of the officer's official duties or to a person who manufactures or imports for sale or sells a sawed-off shotgun to a law enforcement agency.
As added by P.L.1-1990, SEC.351. Amended by P.L.2-1991, SEC.107.

quazi
June 30, 2006, 09:15 AM
Sorry for the oversight Cosmoline, no slight intended. Since this thread started I have started looking a bit more into this. I found that even though Alaska has an F there is one thing I don't really care for. It appears (according to the Brady gang) that the Attorney General can regulate guns as opposed to the normal process that determine the laws in that state. To me that is a BAD thing.
I'll have to research that, I've never heard of it. I'm not sure how much I trust the Brady Campaign's information, the last time I checked their site they had incorrect information regarding Alaska CCW. I think it was probably that they just hadn't bothered to update, not that it was wrong at the time they posted it.

mrmeval
June 30, 2006, 09:19 AM
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar47/ch8.html

Per this
IC 35-47-8-4
Applicability of handgun provisions
Sec. 4. IC 35-47-2 applies to an electronic stun weapon or taser.
As added by P.L.318-1985, SEC.3.

So all of the handgun laws apply to Tasers.

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