Rainer plated bullets in Glock


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critrxdoc
June 24, 2006, 01:32 AM
Does anyone know if you can shoot the rainer plated bullets in glocks? I have a G-20 that I am starting to reload for and wondered if these copper plated rounds could be use in glocks and if they would hold up to the velocity of the 10mm? Thanks

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target4fun
June 24, 2006, 03:48 AM
Rainer says the max fps is 1050 for the plated, but midway lists 1500 (which i think is a typo) shouldnt have a problem w/ 10mm just dont go over 1050 in fps and your fine.

critrxdoc
June 24, 2006, 05:08 AM
What about in the Glock barrel?

HSMITH
June 24, 2006, 08:57 AM
You can shoot them. Be aware though that the crimp must be PERFECT to get any accuracy. You won't find a bullet that is more difficult to load than a plated bullet if you want good accuracy.

Master Blaster
June 24, 2006, 09:06 AM
I have loaded and fired about 4000 of them in my 9mm glocks, I'm on my 5th box of a thousand now. I get excellent accuracy in my g34 and g26 with the following load:

4.0grains titegroup 124 gr ranier hollowpoint. OAL and crimp to what it says in the lyman manual. Load runs around 1000 fps.

Lone_Gunman
June 24, 2006, 09:32 AM
I am new to reloading, and not sure I know the difference between a plated bullet and a FMJ. What is the difference?

Is the Speer TMJ bullet a plated bullet or type of FMJ?

JDGray
June 24, 2006, 10:34 AM
FMJ = lead stuffed into a thick, presision metal form, way harder than plated bullets.
Plated bullets= molded lead bullets that are plated with copper, than usually restruck into a final molded form, much softer then jacketed bullets.
Both have their place, I find the plated bullets are cleaner to shoot than lead bullets, at about the same cost.:)

Clark
June 24, 2006, 12:05 PM
I have shot plated bullets with hot 10mm loads, and some of the plating flys off and makes Shrapnel holes in the target. If you don't care about some extra holes, I guess it is ok.

PinnedAndRecessed
June 24, 2006, 12:45 PM
Be advised, IIRC, in my Glock owner's manual, the use of any reloads voids the warranty.

Lone_Gunman
June 24, 2006, 03:03 PM
Be advised, IIRC, in my Glock owner's manual, the use of any reloads voids the warranty.

Glock isn't the only company with that policy.

How will they know its a reload?

critrxdoc
June 24, 2006, 03:36 PM
Yes, that has been my contention all along. How are they going to know what you are shooting through your gun? I don't think the glocks are sent out with little camera's that record what you loading in the mag :) LOL.

PinnedAndRecessed
June 26, 2006, 12:16 PM
How will they know its a reload?


If they ask, you're gonna lie?

Lone_Gunman
June 26, 2006, 12:41 PM
No, I wouldn't lie, but I doubt they would ask the question.

I guess if you sent them a gun that was blown up, they might ask, but if I blew up a gun with a handload, I would not expect it to be repaired under warranty, since it is my own fault.


If I had a gun that was malfunctioning, but it was unrelated to ammo, I would not volunteer the information about handloads.

Also, does anyone know of any company that allows for handloads without voiding the warranty?

homefront
June 30, 2006, 10:00 PM
The rifling in a Glock is not lead friendly.
Hard lead bullets, say around 22bhn, are best. If you use hard lead and clean your barrel well (well = all lead deposits removed) after every session, you shouldn't have a problem. If you're not a good barrel scrubber, lead buildup will increase pressure with successive rounds until you get a GKB. :eek:
If you reload, dip your hard lead, pre-lubed bullets in a bullet lube like Lee Liquid Alox for added insurance.
The reloads sold at many ranges are cheapo-deluxo soft lead, and should be avoided. Glock has no idea what kind of lead you are going to use or how well you'll keep your barrel clean, so they don't want to be responsible for your high pressure hand grenade.

Lennyjoe
July 1, 2006, 03:56 AM
Shot a few West Coast plated bullets out of the G20 but it was in a new aftermarket Storm Lake barrel.

Problem with plated bullets are if you overcrimp you can deform them pretty good. The new barrel showed me what happens when you overcrimp. Shaved a nice ring off of the bullets. Stopped the next round from cycling due to the piece of plating in the barrel. View the pic below to see what I mean. Lesson learned!

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid201/pc3dbec35a87225c65619a809b159d130/f0075935.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid201/p38c98f962366fd9d6f2077c8912f0a59/f00758e6.jpg

azredhawk44
July 1, 2006, 05:26 AM
I have about 2000 rounds of 230gr 45acp rainier/berry's plated handloads and about 1000 rounds of 400corbon rainier/berry's plated handloads through my G21, the stock factory barrel and an aftermarket 400corbon barrel. I've done 135gr, 165gr and 180gr bullets for the 400corbon, with speeds between 1100fps to about 1700fps.

Mind your crimp and you'll be fine. If you crimp tightly, then make sure you do it cleanly. Bell the mouth before seating, and use a lee factory crimp die as a dedicated seating position.

For 45acp, I don't crimp much at all. 10mm chambers much like 45acp, getting headspace off the cartridge rim. I crimp my 400's pretty tightly since it is a bottleneck cartridge and headspaces off the shoulder.

Do maybe 20 round groups of different crimp techniques - no crimp, mild crimp during bullet seating, heavy crimp during bullet seating, and heavy crimp after bullet seating. See what works best for you.

Also - If you're worried about velocity being a problem, stick to the heavier bullets. A 180gr bullet will still hit like a sledgehammer on-target, but will move a lot slower down your barrel than a 135gr bullet.

snuffy
July 1, 2006, 01:56 PM
"Mind your crimp and you'll be fine. If you crimp tightly, then make sure you do it cleanly. Bell the mouth before seating, and use a lee factory crimp die as a dedicated [B]seating{/b] position."

Wrong! The lee FCD is NOT a seating die. It's a seperate CRIMPING die.

"For 45acp, I don't crimp much at all. 10mm chambers much like 45acp, getting headspace off the cartridge rim."

Wrong again! 45 acp headspaces off the MOUTH of the case, there's no rim on it.

Handloading/shooting are terminology specific hobbies. You HAVE to use the exact correct words, or you will misslead people, possibly with disastorous results.

As for the plated bullets, Ranier has the thinest plating, Berrys is a little thicker, west coast,(now called X-Treme Bullets, http://www.xtremebullets.com/index.htm ) has the thickest plating. I've used thousands of the west coast/X-Treme bullets, all with great results. In 9mm, 38/.357, 40, and 45 calibers.

I treat the X-Treme bullets just as though they were jacketed, as far as the loading data goes. None of the loads I did were pushed past 1200 fps,(those were ONLY in the .357's), so I didn't see any copper flaking off.

I did try a sample of 100 ranier bullets in my m22 glock. They performed as good, maybe a little better, than the WC bullets.

Plated bullets are swaged to a smaller diameter, then plated up to size. Some are then run through a sizer to control the final size,(double struck). I'm not sure about ranier, Berry's, some are double struck, most aren't, WC/X-Treme are ALL double struck!

RyanM
July 1, 2006, 03:55 PM
I do not bell the case mouth at all, and do not crimp at all. Just resize, prime, charge, seat. I've pulled a few bullets to see if the base of the bullet was damaged by seating without a bell. They weren't.

I get 1" groups at 7 yards with a G23 (.40 cal, not 10mm), using 180 gr Berry's plated hollowpoints and 6.9 gr Power Pistol. So I'd say that fixes the crimp problem. Alliant says that load will do 1050 fps with JHPs or 977 FPS with hardcast lead.

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