just out of interest?


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nadeem
June 26, 2006, 04:31 PM
I was wondering, you see pictures of some of you carrying some crazy rifles around, not just members here but lots of others, and so many of them have totally unessesery sights which magnify by 10000 times and all that, but why. there is no real practical use for them. i mean the military get by just fine with good old iron sights and so on so why cant you? :confused:

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m0ntels
June 26, 2006, 04:40 PM
Not that I have super high power optics, but there is a difference between shooting man sized targets at 100yds or less and shooting for groups at 100-1000yds, or prairie dogging at 300 or so yards. We have different choices because we all have different needs.

Randy

Oleg Volk
June 26, 2006, 04:40 PM
Military uses crazier sights than most of us. Example:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=41544&stc=1&d=1151350501

Besides, military can fire lots of round sinto an area where they expect enemy tropps. We can't do that, lest me hit innocents.

WT
June 26, 2006, 04:42 PM
I'm not sure what country you are from, but the US military doesn't just
"get along with iron sights." Look closely at what is happening in Iraq and you will see many, many soldiers and marines carrying optics on their M4's and M16's.

nadeem
June 26, 2006, 04:43 PM
i spose thats fair enough with the lots of rounds. but i dont see the need for an AR 15 to have like 16 torches and all that bizzle :D i mean it looks call and all but its sorta pointless. i read in a thread about marines that they dont have any such stuff in the real army...

Matt G
June 26, 2006, 04:57 PM
i mean the military get by just fine with good old iron sights and so on so why cant you?
I don't feel the need for 80mm objective lenses and 200 minute front base mounts on my rifle, but then, I don't compete in 1-mile matches, either. I don't own a 20 lb rifle, either. :)

I don't use the special aperture front sights found on many competition target rifles. This style was actually popular on military competition rifles. But back when I shot with the UT riflery team, I happily employed an Anshutz rifle with just such a front sight, which neatly held the small black bull perfectly in the aperture.

A lot of people feel that the intermediate (between the action and the muzzle) open rear sight found on the majority of rifles today is adequate. They feel no need --as I do-- to install upon their rifle a receiver-mounted aperture sight, which increases their sight radius, and (for me) accuracy. Of those who do, many people whould dislike my choice of aperture size (usually ghost-ring). I myself have little if any use for a full-buckhorn sight, while I know good shooters who will have nothing else.

My father, an active shooter of strong opinions, finds the shallow V rear and big glowing white dot on the Big Dot pistol sights to be a difficult proposition to accept. I find them appealing (having shot them one time), and have been present when a man with them outshot us both on the long-range portion of a pistol match. Is Dad wrong? He is if he claims that they don't work, period. He's on solid footing if he declares that they're not his cuppa tea, though. :)

I myself happen to find large scope rigs on the handy lever actions to be an abomination; they take a handy, sturdy rifle and turn it into an awkward, rather fragile thing. But not only are many fielded every year, but many are extremely successful with them. I know of more than one case where a hunter took a buck at over 200 paces with his Marlin, outfitted in just such a fashion.

The happy thing is that there are many different venues, and many different tastes. With all the different applications for the different rifles out there, why not try considering the possibilities, and if they don't meet your interests, moving on without judging? It's okay not to like it all. But just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's wrong, per se.

ENSANE1970
June 26, 2006, 05:12 PM
Everyone has different likes and hobbies, whether it be cars, guns etc....I personally like the stock wheels that came on my car, but, my neigbor may want chrome wheels on his. Why did he put chrome wheels on his car, I guess he wanted to. Not meaning to flame anyone, but if you want it and can afford it then buy it. That's what makes this country great.:)

entropy
June 26, 2006, 10:32 PM
ALI G is your hero, isn't he, nadeem? :p


Why not join the Army and find out just what sights they have?

sm
June 26, 2006, 11:13 PM
Rules me out. :)

I don't own any scopes.
In fact I learned to shoot without any sights ...
Then one day they handed me a rifle with sights and right off I figured out the gun rag snags on sights when you wipe it down - didn't have that problem without sights on the gun.

I do shotguns when it comes to long guns. In fact I often shoot shotguns without any beads. How taught, how I still teach. Oh, and them gun rags don't get hung up on beads if'n you don't have any beads.

Wasn't me you saw, whew! :D

MattG - excellent post!

pdowg881
June 26, 2006, 11:15 PM
I'm trying to find that picture of an m16 that as about 20 optics on the rails, can't see the barrel, and the receiver is almost covered by accessiries. It's a joke but really funny. Its just a big round mess of various optics and lights.

slzy
June 26, 2006, 11:21 PM
you have to factor in increasingly old farts like myself who have little choice. if people got big ol' scopes they probably have binos and or a spotter too.

torpid
June 26, 2006, 11:56 PM
i mean it looks call and all but its sorta pointless. i read in a thread about marines that they dont have any such stuff in the real army...

Maybe the Marines were just bragging that the Army doesn't get the "call looking" optics that they do?

;)

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