New or Used guns?


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TWeatherford
June 27, 2006, 06:18 PM
What do you all think about buying new guns vs. used guns. Price I guess is the determining factor for a lot of people. But unless the price is unbelieveable better, is it wise to buy new guns or just an unnecessary extra expense? I guess it depends on how used it is, so lets assume its from a pawnshop or some other middleman store and for all you know its been shot more than 2,000 rounds. Of course it depends on the type of gun, I'm considering a semi auto handgun or a pump shotgun. But opininons on everything would be great.

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kfranz
June 27, 2006, 06:19 PM
2000 rounds is nothing

SuperNaut
June 27, 2006, 06:36 PM
Agreed, buying a gun with 2,000 rounds already through it means you just saved money.

Or so I tell my wife...

atlctyslkr
June 27, 2006, 06:39 PM
It's kind of like cars, newer isn't necessarily better. If a gun is well taken care of it will outlast you. Most parts can be replaced when they wear out. It just depends. I'd rather have well taken care of used gun than a new one from a crappy manufacturer. Best advice is to read and do your homework before you buy anything. Read Read Read.

Justin
June 27, 2006, 06:44 PM
Firearms, unlike many other consumer products, don't have built-in obsolescence.

Buying used is a good way to save some money.

jamz
June 27, 2006, 06:45 PM
Most of my guns are used.

Ala Dan
June 27, 2006, 07:00 PM
Heck, I have some of both. The way I see it, USED but not ABUSED
is the best way to save money for lots of ammo or other accessory's.:cool: :D

ArmedBear
June 27, 2006, 07:05 PM
IMHO

2000 rounds through a quality pump shotgun is nothing.

2000 rounds through a decent .22 is nothing.

2000 rounds through a semiauto pistol is not a problem unless the gun was abused somehow in the process.

2000 rounds through a magnum caliber bolt-action sporter rifle is probably a red flag.

AirForceShooter
June 27, 2006, 08:19 PM
if you buy used and from a manufacturer that offers a lifetime guarentee there's no risk.
most used guns really haven't been shot all that much. The one's that were look it.
I buy used all the time..

AFS

Dave Markowitz
June 27, 2006, 08:25 PM
Most of my guns are used. Obviously the milsurps, but also all of my Smith & Wesson wheelguns were bought used. With few exceptions, as long as a quality firearm is cared for it's not a problem.

Concur with Armed Bear re ammo, btw.

bpisler
June 27, 2006, 08:27 PM
90% of the time buying used is the only way i
can add to my small collection.

MechAg94
June 27, 2006, 08:40 PM
I have some of both, but most were new. Much of the time I was hunting something specific when I had money together. I did not have a very good feel for evaluating used guns and most dealers or people at guns shows down here often ask way to much for used and beat up guns. The used guns I have were mostly impulse buys or deals that caught my eye when I had money available. I do a much better job of keeping cash available these days.

If you can find what you want, used guns can be a great way to go.

Thor67
June 27, 2006, 08:56 PM
Definitely do your homework. I have both new and used. I have to say I have more issues with the new ones!

What are you considering buying?

Used, factory reconditioned (or from a reputable owner) Glocks or SIGs (especially the SIGs) are great deals. Glocks are just getting broken in at 2000 rounds. Don't know if buying a used pump gun is worth the money saved though as they're so inexpensive new, and you don't seem to get much of a discount on a used pump gun.

I'm personally leary about buying from a pawn shop, only because I'm not convinced all of them know guns well enough to know there is or is not a problem.

rbernie
June 27, 2006, 08:58 PM
I've bought probably a hundred firearms if I've bought one. Less than ten of 'em were bought new.

mp510
June 27, 2006, 09:22 PM
It is very possible to get some wonderful deals by purchasing used, which also opens up models and features that may be duiscontinued. As long as a weapon was well cared for, it should prove a good purchase. However you definetely may want to be leary about a gun that looks like it was dredged from the dirtiest river you can think of. Also, police surplus weapons can be descent buys. Many were carried a lot and fired little (a few times per year).

Lone_Gunman
June 27, 2006, 10:09 PM
I buy used and new. But generally, I prefer to buy revolver used, and new autos.

I am always a little leary of buying a used automatic for fear I might be buying someone else's lemon. I figure its easier to tell that a revolver will work than an automatic.

Anyone else feel this way?

shooter94
June 27, 2006, 10:18 PM
It depends on experience too...if you're buying used check that firearm out well. That's the cool thing about forums like this one, you can check with someone who has knowledge in the area your looking at. If you dont have the experience, if the seller gives consent...take it to a gunsmith. A "kaboom" in the face is not worth the money you're trying to save...:D

XavierBreath
June 27, 2006, 10:31 PM
I doubt I will ever buy another new gun.

after you have been trading and swapping guns a while, you learn how to cut your losses. Buying used at a fair market price is the best way.

evan price
June 27, 2006, 10:37 PM
A gun is a piece of precision machinery designed and engineered to do its job a million times before a serious problem develops, as long as it is kept clean and oiled occaisionally. It has been my experience that a lot of people buy guns and then decide they were not the right gun for them, or else like t otrade stuff off to sample new things. If you keep a lookout for guns that are well kept you can get some killer deals. This way you can get a "quality" weapon for the same price as less expensive new guns. Police trades usually have a lot of cosmetic wear but are fired little. If you can get a Sig for the price of a Ruger P89 why not?

pittspilot
June 27, 2006, 10:38 PM
I still like buying new. There's something about touching off the first round. (Yes, I know it's not really the first round) However, now I tend to be very picky about what I buy new.

Doesn't mean that used isn't good. I own plenty of those too.

MachIVshooter
June 27, 2006, 11:05 PM
Nothing wrong with used. My collection is comprised of roughly half used guns. Many of those are out of production models that could not be bought new. The market for used guns is huge for this reason. My last used aquisition was a 95% S&W model 19 that I had been on the prowl for. Those haven't been made for awhile.

TeachMe
June 28, 2006, 02:16 PM
I say buy used and spend the cash you saved on ammo or other firearm accessories. This is of course assuming that you can find the firearm you want used for a decent price. If you want something in particular, and can only find it new, buy new instead of trying to get "the next best thing."

ball3006
June 28, 2006, 05:11 PM
on the civilian side, blued steel and walnut rules.......chris3

Deanimator
June 28, 2006, 05:21 PM
I HAVE to buy used. I love fine S&W K and N frame revolvers, and they don't MAKE fine ones anymore!

Roadwild17
June 28, 2006, 05:28 PM
As said above, as long as its in good shape (mechanically not cosmetically) there should be nothing wrong with buying used. Just take your time and examine the gun before you buy.

depicts
June 28, 2006, 06:01 PM
I'm still trying to get all the neat guns I wanted as a kid and teenager, so I prefer used guns for fun. I buy new when I really, really gotta have it NOW!

Bobhwry
June 28, 2006, 06:20 PM
Generally, I only buy new. If I buy used it has to be in pristine condition. I'm pretty anal about my guns so if it's got a ding on it I better be the one that put it there!!

Don't Tread On Me
June 28, 2006, 06:30 PM
I buy only new firearms. I've owned 2 used firearms, and both were total lemons. Too many people sell off guns that don't work, and the used market is packed with jam-o-matics. People pass off their disasters to others. You have to ask yourself why the previous owner might have parted with that firearm. In most cases, I'd imagine it was because the gun was problematic. I'd say the lesser cases would be that they simply didn't like it, or they want something new, or they needed money real bad, or it didn't fit their CCL needs....It seems to me that when people have a good firearm that runs well, they'd rather keep it and add to their collection, rather than sell it for something new.


This isn't to say that buying new is a guarantee, but at least you have a warranty, and a higher chance of having a reliable gun out of the box.


There are some used firearms that I imagine would be no problem in buying used. Like bolt action milsurps like a Mosin-Nagant. What can go wrong with that? Not much I'd imagine. Maybe owner didn't like the kick. Or maybe it wasn't accurate enough. At least you know what you're getting.


I'd buy used if it were from someone I knew and I knew something about the firearm. I see a lot of people practically give away firearms because they are desperate for money. These firearms are perfectly reliable.


Buying used firearms that I know nothing about - never again. Been burned twice. That's enough.

Srigs
June 29, 2006, 08:16 AM
I have bought both new and used. 2K rounds is nothing for a quality gun! :cool:

mudstud
June 29, 2006, 08:57 PM
The vast majority of firearms I buy are new. However, I have no hesitation in buying used, if it is something I want, and appears lightly used, if at all used.

As an example, several years ago I purchased a Colt XSE stainless 45 "used", in the box with all papers, etc. I got it for a "used" price, but I'm here to tell you that gun was in better condition than a lot of "new" guns I've bought! I absolutely couldn't tell that it had ever been shot. Furthermore, it has proven to be an extremely accurate and reliable gun, and is right now my carry gun!

Another, is a M70 Classic stainless synthetic 270WSM I got about a year ago. Upon inspection, the rifle was absolutely brand new, it had never even had a scope mounted on it. But I got it for a "used" price.

Why and how these guns ended up for sale as used guns, I'll never know. A lot on possible scenarios can be imagined! But, I love it when I spot deals like those while I'm cruising the used gun racks!

Another example, is a used stainless 700 in 7mmSTW, one of my sons bought against my advice. He brought it to me to get it lined out. One of the first things I did was check how the stock fit. Upon removing the stock, there was a folded up piece of matchbook cover between the barrel and stock, so I knew someone had been trying to get it to shoot! The stock fit in the barrel channel was OK, however, the action literally rocked back and forth in the stock. To cut to the chase, after I had my gunsmith bed the rifle properly, the rifle is a tackdriver! What is even more amazing, I accidentally discovered who the individual was who had the rifle originally, who couldn't get it to shoot, when all it needed was to be properly bedded. He was properly humbled when I explained to him what a tackdriver that rifle turned out to be!

Another, is a M70 Classic stainless synthetic in 300 Weatherby, I bought used nearly 10 years ago. The rifle was used, but obviously barely used. I bought it, and that rifle turned out to be just about a 1/2" gun with factory loads! I never have bothered with handloads, it shoots factory loads so well! This rifle was probably sold or traded by the original owner because he wasn't liking the recoil level of a 300 Weatherby compared to the 243 he'd been shooting! There also was a rash of "used" 300 RUM's after that caliber came out as newest hot rod, and a bunch of people discovered they couldn't deal with the recoil!

So, there are a lot of reasons guns end up for sale on the used gun racks. Most probably aren't because the gun is a lemon, but for other more innocent reasons. And even some of the lemons can be turned into lemonade by a more experienced or determined shooter.

JohnBT
June 29, 2006, 09:03 PM
After years of reading various gunsmithing forums I generally buy new guns.
I make enough gunsmithing mistakes, I don't need anybody else's.

John

apowell
June 29, 2006, 11:32 PM
I'm cheap (just ask my wife) and used guns are a lot cheaper than new guns. I would buy a new gun if it was exactly what I wanted and I couldn't find a 95%+ version of it used, but I'd really have to want it to pay the new price. (FYI: I haven't bought a new gun since the 80's and I had to have my parents "buy" it for me then.) You can get a heck of a deal with a little horse-trading and patience, but if you just can't wait, then buy new and don't look back. The last thing you want to do is pay $1000 for a pistol then turn around and find a LNIB one for $800 on line.

10 Ring Tao
June 29, 2006, 11:34 PM
Guns are like cars. As soon as they roll off the lot or walk out the door, their value drops precipitously.

So long as the manufacturer has a good record of customer service, I'm more than happy to let some poor schmuck eat the depreciation for me.

pete f
June 30, 2006, 12:44 AM
I might by a new gun, IF they were made by the same kind of guys who made my 1886 winchester, or if they made real 95 winchesters again, (not melted japanese clones) or real model 71's again, or real model 99 savages again with the short action and a safety where it was designed to be...or real peacemakers, OH YEAH they do, that is why the only new gun I have bought in a long while is a USFA pre war. THIS THING ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A PRE WAR NIB> THAT GOOD!!!!!

Outlaws
June 30, 2006, 01:04 AM
I buy both.

Got a 1961 Single Six convertable last summer. 4 clicks of SAA hammer cocking sounds like nothing else in the world....and especially not the new ones.

Some stuff I buy new if I want something specific...which is about 50% of the time. But I won't buy over the internet since I like to see what I am getting first.

Rob62
June 30, 2006, 10:45 AM
About 90% of the guns I own were purchased or traded for when they were used.

Buying used is a good way to save money. Take the savings and spend that cash on accessories like ammunition, magazines, spare parts, etc.

Rob

TWeatherford
June 30, 2006, 01:13 PM
Thanks for all the replies. And thinking back, I meant to say 20,000 rounds. (I have a one month old Henry .22 that I've got 6,000 through already). Most of you will probably say that 20,000 isn't bad either.

My main reason for asking is that two friends of mine believe adamantly that you should only buy new guns, because they could be shot to death. Like a friend who bought a semi auto .22 that would fire five shots in about a half second for every squeeze of the trigger. And the scout camp nearby keeps them (high quality o/u's) for five years or so and take them to the pawn shop. Those are guns I'd prefer not to get.

I'm looking at getting a quality pump shotgun, thinking Remington 870 Express. Probably the most readily available used gun. This gun is also pretty cheap brand new. I was in two different used gun stores and saw a Remington 870 with a scratched up reciever, several dents in the wood, about a two square inch patch of rust on the barrel, and they wanted $200. New at wally world I can get the same gun for $250 and they would not come down on the price. Then at another place there was a nice Mossy pump, in pretty good shape but they wanted $200 again.

Thanks for your input. I was also just looking to hear what you think about used guns in general. My specific gun that I want lends itself to buying used and new, but I was/am interested in handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

Zen21Tao
June 30, 2006, 05:57 PM
Like others I too prefer to find a good used deal than spend retail for a new gun. I also agree that how the previous owner cared for the gun is more important than the actual number or rounds put through it. I would rather have a gun with 2000 rnds through it that was cleaned after every range trip and stored away the rest of the time than a gun that only saw 500 rounds but was only cleaned by the store/seller to sell it and was tossed around like a rag doll.

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