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kikr
June 28, 2006, 06:34 PM
No Laughing. I was talking to my fiancée about concealed carry, (I’m trying to convince her to take the course), she started talking about clothing and I thought she was trying to change the subject. As it turns out she ended up teaching me some stuff, go figure. She was talking about how clothing alters apperance like vertical stripes make a person appear taller, horizontal stripes make a person appear heavier, pleated pants hide stomach bulges etc. My question is, Does anyone know of any reference material covering this material.? I think it would be great to apply to concealed carry. All my internet searches have led to vests, jackets and fanny packs, and haven’t found anything of value at the local library. Any help would be appreciated.

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smince
June 28, 2006, 07:02 PM
I've read articles that cover the topic occasionally in the gun mags. Usually when Ayoob writes about CCW some "fashion" tips come out. I don't know of any one place with all the info.

The only one I really remember is the one I use: If carrying IWB, buy your pants/jeans a size larger.

Amish_Bill
June 28, 2006, 07:04 PM
... and a patterned shirt will break up the outline of a pistol better than a plain, solid colored shirt.

Black Majik
June 28, 2006, 07:06 PM
Dark shirts are better than light shirts, if solid color.

Dark, patterned shirts are best. :)

Larry Ashcraft
June 28, 2006, 07:08 PM
I was talking to my fiancée about concealed carry
All my internet searches have led to vests, jackets and fanny packs, and haven’t found anything of value at the local library.
See, you are ignoring the person you should be asking; your fiance.

The information isn't available to us males because it is secret female information.:scrutiny: ;) You could ask pax or one of the other women on this board though.

Of course, I'm 56 years old and my wife still lays my clothes out on the bed like a little flat person. And then she checks to make sure my collar is straight and that I have buttoned my shirt right. ;)

TCB in TN
June 28, 2006, 08:16 PM
Of course, I'm 56 years old and my wife still lays my clothes out on the bed like a little flat person. And then she checks to make sure my collar is straight and that I have buttoned my shirt right.

Doesn't every one's wife do this? LOL!

wingnutx
June 28, 2006, 08:20 PM
Mine doesn't lay my clothes out, she merely gives me the old "are you really goign to wear that?" until I meet her standards.

Vern Humphrey
June 28, 2006, 08:36 PM
Mine doesn't lay my clothes out, she merely gives me the old "are you really goign to wear that?" until I meet her standards.

I think that's hard-wired into them.:p

Hemicuda
June 28, 2006, 08:51 PM
Vern, It is NOT simply hard wired ino them, it is part of their base genetic code... it's built into the very first partial strand of female DNA that develops in the womb...

Vern Humphrey
June 28, 2006, 08:54 PM
That, along with, "You've been into the ice cream again, haven't you?":D

pax
June 28, 2006, 11:25 PM
Larry, I bet she makes sure your socks match, too. ;)

kikr,

Your lady may be interested in the following observations I've made in six years of carrying underneath regular women's clothing:

Prints hide better than solids.

Dark colors hide better than light ones. Kind of like when you are figuring out if you need a slip under your dress, if you wear a light color you will have to make sure the gun doesn't show in various types of lighting. If the gun doesn't hide well in all lights, but the blouse works well otherwise, consider wearing an undershirt with the gun underneath it.

Fabric with some body to it hides better than flimsy, wispy stuff. If you have a thin blouse you'd like to wear, you can add body to it by ironing it with starch and it really helps.

There is no rule that says concealed carry clothes have to be ugly! Pretty clothes conceal a gun just as well as ugly ones.

To experiment with styles on the cheap, take a trip to the local Goodwill store or do the flea market/garage sale thing. The big bonus is that you can simply purchase a wide variety of clothes to experiment with in the privacy of your own bedroom. Once you've found some basic clothes shapes that work reasonably well at hiding a gun on your body, your trips to the full-price retail outlets will go a lot more smoothly because you'll eliminate most of the guesswork before you get into the dressing room.

Dressing room tip: if possible, snag the handicapped stall. If someone in a wheelchair comes along, you can surrender it. But in the meanwhile, the plus is that there's almost always a bench to put your stuff on so you won't have to put it on the floor or balance your trousers and holster precariously hanging from a hook. The other plus is that handicapped dressing room stalls are a little bigger, so you can get at least a little distance from the mirror without leaving the stall. If you cannot snag a handicapped stall for some reason, grab the one at the very end of the hallway -- less traffic means more secure for your stuff, and you can probably step into the hallway to check mirrors there without risking your stuff.

Oh, yeah. Don't take your gun out of its holster in public unless you're planning to shoot someone. If you need to try on pants, pull the holstered gun off your belt, set it on the bench, take your pants and belt off, pull on the new pants, then pick up your belt and the holstered gun and check how they fit with the new pants. Whenever I set down the holstered gun, I like to drop a piece of clothing on top of it immediately, just to reduce the risk of someone spotting it.

Jeans. Forget buying a larger size. Instead, head over to the guys' department and snag jeans there. Guys' jeans are designed to be bigger in the waist and proportionately narrower in the rear than women's jeans. That'll give you extra waist room without creating the baggy-butt look so dreaded by fashion mavens.

Another jeans tip. If you can find jeans with stretchy fibers in them (not those 80's look "stretch jeans" with the nasty elastic waistband! Just regular jeans which have stretch fibers), you'll be more comfy if you carry IWB. Yeah, okay, combine the two jeans tips I've just given you and you'll probably end up having to shop in the grandpapa department. So? Fill 'em out well enough, and no one will ever know. ;)

You will probably want to buy blouses one size up from your usual, at least until you find where your limits are.

If you're petite, consider going back to the regular sizes for blouses, because the slightly-longer lengths work better. Similarly, if you like man-styled oxfords, remember the actual men's ones have a little more length, and may suit your purposes better.

Sweaters work very well for concealed carry, but they have to be the comfy-cozy-bulky type, rather than the thin clingy type. If you're addicted to the thin clingy type, consider wearing an ankle holster instead of a belt holster.

Cardigans are great, shrug sets not so great. But you can make a shrug set work if you own a belly band and have a generally straight posture.

Belly bands work great for skirts, too. Any blouse that works well for concealment with jeans will usually work just as well (or better) with a skirt and a belly band positioned near where the gun normally rides when it's on the belt.

A skirt with wide belt loops is worth its weight in gold. It's worth scouring the stores until you find one or a dozen that will work for you.

Probably more I could say, but that ought to get you started. Best of luck!

pax

Kor
June 29, 2006, 02:26 AM
My $.02 from 12 years of carrying concealed:

- Pleated-waistband slacks and shorts will tend to hide pocket guns better due to the extra material and fuller cut in the thigh area.

- The best cover garment I've found for both comfort, concealment and style has been a 100% cotton, XL, madras-plaid button-down shirt. The plaid pattern really breaks up the outline of a handgun at your waist, and looks absolutely casual(if possibly a little nerdy - avoid pocket-protectors and horn-rimmed glasses with these shirts). Most often I wear the shirt unbuttoned for comfort and a faster draw; if worn buttoned and untucked, I leave at least the bottom button unfastened to ease the draw.

- I have "improved" my cover shirts by ironing large "fusible" twill patches, normally used for mending holes, on the inside of the shirt above the areas that cover my holstered gun and spare mag; this gives added body to the fabric to minimize printing and snagging during carry and drawing, while protecting the shirt fabric from any sharp edges on the gun. For under $2/pair, I can afford to do this with all my shirts.

- The absolute lowest-profile gun I would trust my life to is a stainless or nickel-plated .38 snub revolver, carried with white Barami Hip-Grips and a Tyler T-grip; against either bare skin or a white undershirt, the silver-colored metal and white grips are much less likely to be noticed than a blued gun with black grips(of course, the reverse is true against a black/navy undershirt). With the Barami grips, you both avoid the (slight but noticeable) extra bulk of a holster and belt-loops/clips, while also carrying the gun at an angle that minimizes the tendency of the grip to bulge or print.

kikr
June 29, 2006, 02:44 AM
Wow, I've posted this on 4 different forums and you guys have given the best info so far. Pax and Kor and everyone this has been a great help. Thanks all.

A little more info for you...I'm 5'4" 130lbs, carry a glock 30 IWB in tuckable holsters normally wear solids, darker earthtones. I carry at 4'0clock is, or right behind my right back pocket.

My fiancee is 5" and uhm (I'll probally get in trouble for this) 100lbs. She's more than likely going to be carrying a Ruger SP101 with 21/4" barrel. She hasnt decided on mode of carry (still hasnt commited to carry) yet, so don't know what holster she'll wear.

Thanks again guys, anymore good info is definately welcome.

tankertom
June 30, 2006, 07:40 PM
Kor?

Look nerdy?

How could that be?

This is good advice, particularly since Phil is at 12 years of carrying in a place where 105 is a cool day in the summer.

tt

Kor
July 1, 2006, 02:00 AM
Hah - back atcha, Tom! Be thankful you never knew me in high school, as an unreconstructed Chinese-American Poindexter...

BTW, if you can bring yourself to wear them, Hawaiian floral-print shirts are also good for concealment, and are quite possibly the least "gunny" or "tactical" clothing to be found - they're just too casual to go to some of the more upscale environments where madras-plaid might pass. (Also, keep in mind that in Tucson, wearing even a blazer or sports coat outside of work hours is considered being over-dressed for most of the year.) Paul Gomez of Options for Personal Security Training calls Hawaiian shirts "the ultimate urban camouflage."

akodo
July 1, 2006, 03:08 AM
the darker the color, the better the hide.

This is why we have 'the men in black' Government agent types who would carry weren't picking black suits becaused they look mean, but because they concealed the best. When fassions changed in the 70s so plaid suits were in, basic black was a bit of a standout. Then basic black became stereotypical wear for government types, the sheeple not really knowing WHY black was chosen. Then secret government types (who of course had NO identifying ids, etc, because tehy were secret) were of course, noted to have black suits along with government issue haircuts when they were out harrassing innocent alien abductees.

I do always laugh when I hear 'men in back' used to describe gov agent types, because I know it is really truely about concealed carry, not looking mean or being a secret alien hit man

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