[BevrFevr]

Am I missing something? I keep hearing how xd triggers are better than glocks.

my experience says no way, not even close. I would say an xd trigger may be slightly better than and HK but that ain't really saying all that much.

Does anyone agree with me that walther p99 and glock triggers are close and xd and hk are about the same but way, way down the ladder?

Just that all I have heard about XD triggers, I must not know the sweet trigger password or something.

Is it just all marketing and plastic toys in a box?

Do I not know how to pull these triggers to somehow make them magically worth all the praise or even fair to middlin?

Give me some insight o learned ones.

-bevr

[Ala Dan]

From my experience, Springfield XD triggers get better with useage~!:cool: :D

[BevrFevr]

It would have to be a water to wine conversion.

Ala Dan,

Where would you place them in order best to worst Walther, glock, xd, hk?

-bevr

[Zak Smith]

Trigger pull is a subjective thing, and what people expect as a "good trigger" varies from one person to the next. That someone shooting a stock Glock can beat just about everyone shooting other types of trigger systems (including sub-2# 1911's) in IPSC indicates to me that the trigger is less important than the shooter's training. What it comes down to is pressing the trigger while the sight picture is acceptible.

That said, the XD's that I have shot have had triggers a little less "sproingy" (for lack of a better term) than the Glocks I have shot. YMMV.

-z

[BevrFevr]

Zak,

I remember early glocks being more spongy than the newer ones.

I agree about what people expect is different but there are some basic principles in describing trigger pull and although subjective can be a means of measuring quality like, creep, over travel, reset etc.

Also notice I am doing an apples to apples comparison. I also like subjective personal opinions, I am not looking for an absolute answer.

[Ala Dan]

Springer, Glock, & H&K

Sorry, I can't rate the Walther as I have virtually NO experience with them~!:uhoh: :D

[RNB65]

XD's are an acquired taste. Unfortunately, I've acquired it -- I bought another one this morning!

The difference for me between a Glock trigger and an XD trigger is that I know exactly when in the trigger pull the XD is going to fire. I've never been able to develop that type of feel with a Glock. Neither is exactly a good 1911 trigger pull, but I prefer the XD.

[Demiurge]

XDs are sexy. :neener:

[distra]

Just that all I have heard about XD triggers, I must not know the sweet trigger password or something.

Did they give you the password before you shot the XD? :neener: To my fingers, the XD trigger is better than Glock. The XD has a much longer takeup, which can be removed with a trigger job. I can shoot my XD much better than any Glock I've tried. I must have acquired the taste as well, since I own two. :D

[BevrFevr]

xd's are sexy!

Lot's to like, And lets get it clear that I think all of the guns mentioned would be fine for defensive purposes.

Whenever I get into discussions about triggers it comes down to the ablility to punch holes in paper. A trigger would have to basically not work for me to cross it off entirely.

I would easily buy any of them but most of my shootin is paper punchin and I need all the help i can get.

[wally]

+1 RNB65.

Trigger "goodness" is subjective, but the fact that Glocks are the guns I shoot the worst (I've a 21 & 17) isn't. YMMV.

In my hands the XD is the only plastic gun that comes close to a 1911. I still think they are ugly, but their beuaty lies in the way they shoot!

--wally.

[XDKingslayer]

I'm probably the worst person in the world to help in this category. I've never met a trigger I didn't like. Trigger pull just doesn't effect me and I don't focus on it while I'm shooting, I've got more important things to worry about. I've never really noticed the long reset everyone talks about with the XD. I've never noticed the heavier initial trigger pull of the Glock that everyone talks about.

Heck, I never noticed the 3 weight trigger of the M-16 while in the Marines either.

All that being said, does trigger pull really matter when you rate any firearm? They are usually the first thing even a half way serious shooter modifies anyways. And it's usually cheap and easy to have done.

[30-06 lover]

I'm with you...the XD trigger is a POS. I tried several times to shoot my friend's XD 9mm well, but the trigger sucked so bad my shots went all over the place. When I went back to the USP my groups went from all over the paper to black.

[holycrikey]

"Does anyone agree with me that walther p99 and glock triggers are close and xd and hk are about the same but way, way down the ladder?"

Do you mean the DAO P99? Or the QA? Because the P99AS trigger is NOTHING like a Glock. That's the main reason why I purchased the AS. A true SA/DA trigger. However, the QA is indeed a bit like the Glock, with the constant trigger pull due to it being partially cocked. I myself couldn't stand the QA trigger. Not horrible, but nothing near to the feel of the AS.

My roommate's XD .45 has a wonderful trigger. I feel it's better than the Glocks, but not by a noticeable difference. It does feel to me as if the XD's have a slightly longer pull, which I enjoy a bit more than the Glock's I've encountered (17/19 and 23). Definitely nothing to write home about though. Both have good triggers.

But again, this is SUCH a subjective debate. What feels fantastic to one shooter feels completely awful to another. There's no real right or wrong here to me. They're both quality firearms (XD/Glock).

[SgtRich]

First off, I agree that trigger pull is subjective, so everyone's idea of what a "good" trigger pull feels like is going to be different.

This is what I have read and, by shooting both my XD-45ACP and a rented Glock, have found to be the apparent difference between the trigger action of the Glock as opposed to the XD.

On a Glock, the cocking action only partly (60% is the figure that I've read) retracts the striker. When you pull the trigger, you are completing the retraction of the striker before you are actually performing the action that causes the striker to fire the chambered round (yeah, I know...the sear is involved somehow but I'm no gunsmith!). Because of this, the trigger on a Glock is more of a double action trigger.

On an XD, when the pistol is cocked, the striker is fully (or, some say 99%) retracted. Pulling the trigger only needs to perform the action that causes the striker to fire the chambered round. This is why the trigger pull of an XD has been compared to the 1911. It is, basically, a single action trigger.

Like I said, I'm no smith, so I can't swear to this but the feel of the trigger between the two pistols makes this sound right to me. YMMV.

[GLOCKT]

I've put close to $150 extra into each Glock I own in-order to get the trigger I like.A 3.5lb connector,reduced lighter firing pin and slimed down safety plungers were my 3 conversions to the 3 Glocks I prefer to carry and shoot.I also prefer the short resets,eliminates all the sponge.
My Walther P99 is a fun gun,but for what I paid for it,it's an injustice how sloppy the trigger is in it.
My CZ is all around fun,but compared a steel frame to plastic pistols theres no comparisons.Plus the price it can't be denied accurate and sweet.
My friends have XD's and they are nice pistols,I can't get past the grip radius myself and they sight differently.Triggers much like the Glocks,need tuned up in my opinion.But thats just me.
And I'm a low class next to no-class person so HK's aren't even in my or my friends price range.

[Pistol Toter]

I must not have discerning taste buds in the end of my right index finger:) . I have a GLOCK 21, my son has an XD45. I like my GLOCK and I like his XD and he feels the same way. To me it's a Chevrolet Impala compared to Ford Crown Victoria, well give or take. I think.... that I would be interested in the 5" XD45, and I may get one someday. But guys I wouldn't turn my hand over for the difference between the two guns. Compared to a good S&W revolver, which to me is what a trigger should feel like, neither one, the GLOCK or the Springfield XD is GREAT, it is, just what it is; you learn to understand and expect the trigger to break as you become familiar with your individual weapon. But... I wouldn't know the difference between a cheap California wine and some $1500 vintage from France, it all tastes bad to me, make mine Lipton Tea, SWEET with a slice of lemon stuck on the edge of that quart Mason jar.:D P.T.

[toocool]

I must really be a minority. I have a Smith & Wesson M&P40 that has a better trigger than any Glock OR XD that I've ever shot. After the Smith, I prefer the XD, and the Glock is WAY down on the list. I shoot the Smith better than anything I've ever shot. In my qualification for work, at ranges from 5 yards to 20 yards, I put all but four rounds into a 1.5", one-hole group. The other four more or less circled the one big hole, increasing the size to about 3". It points more naturally for me and feels better than anything else I've tried.

But, to get back to the original thrust of this thread, I feel that the XD trigger is better by far than Glock's. Just my opinion.

[Marshall]

The XD's trigger seems to be much better than the H&K's and Glock's I have shot. Does that mean anything other than my personal experience with those particular guns indicated the results I posted? No.

Heck, none of them are worth a crap compared to a nice 1911, single action revolver or decent rifle.

[Freddymac]

Did I just read that someone said that Glock triggers are better than HK's? That just does not seem right to me. Every HK that I have ever shot has a better trigger than every Glock that I have ever shot. I'm not beating up on glocks. I dont like them, but I respect them. I just have always prefered HKs. That said, I have not shot an XD yet, but am looking forward to it.

[jman74]

Someone said the same thing in an ealier post I think. I prefer the XD because I know exactly when the trigger is going to break. Shot after shot. Not nearly as crisp as even a factory 1911 trigger, but I know exactly when it's going to happen. Never could aquire that feeling with the Glocks I've shot. Of course I've only fired stock XD's and Glocks, so maybe with some work the Glock would shine. I don't know.

[Serendipity]

XDkingslayer: Have you ever fired a Glock? Just curious, as there is no "heavier initial trigger pull." :) The first pull is exactly the same as the second and last pulls. Double-action pistols, however, offer a long, heavy first pull. Glocks aren't double-action pistols.

Anybody can learn to tune a Glock's trigger. Canyon Creek is in business because not just anybody can work on an XD trigger.

[HSMITH]

Glock triggers suck. Even the very best Glock trigger out there sucks, it just sucks less than it did from the factory. XD triggers suck too right out of the box, but can be made (by Canyon Creek) absolutely nice. HK triggers suck, and I have not shot one that has been worked over so I don't know if they get any better.

I shoot Glocks with stock trigger parts and mild polish work. They suck, but I shoot them just fine. The timer and score sheet tells the real story, it just doesn't matter that much if any. I would love to send an XD to Canyon Creek and have it worked over, but I know it won't make much difference. The money I would spend on that would be much better spent on professional training, even just a couple thousand rounds of ammo for the Glocks would be a better decision.

Debating the degree of 'suck' is pretty pointless. Give a good shooter a REALLY bad trigger and he will out perform just about everyone else in competition just like he would with a really really good trigger. It just isn't that important for a good shooter. I aspire to be a shooter like that, someday I will be because I worry about the shooting and not the trigger pull.

[Edmond]

Debating the degree of 'suck' is pretty pointless.

:D That is a great line, I'm going to file that away somewhere.

I think the stock Glock trigger has a lot to be desired for. On mine, I have a 3.5# connector and a few thousand rounds through it, which makes it decent. Still not H&K or Sig like but it's decent.

Still nothing like a 1911 trigger, though.:evil:

[GLOCKT]

HSMITH, I couldn't have said it any better.My hats off to you sir!
With a few rounds thru it, a little polish and a few trick parts the suck is a little less and the groups a little tighter I've found out.
If I can't work on it myself,I don't care to own it myself, a little decree of my own.

[jlbarrett]

Here is the scoop.. I own both a Gock model 22 40 CAL and Springfield Armory XD-45 ACP. I have shot both guns considerably and can honestly say that the XD is more accurate, easier to shoot, safer to handle and just a all around beter gun. I know ill get back some arguments, but the difference in my shooting scores was 10-12% better.

The safety features in the gun are outstanding.

Sorry Glock...

[Lennyjoe]

I've shot quite a few Glocks and only 1 XD. The XD in question is Springerman 05's. That is one accurate pistol for sure. Trigger pull is just fine.

The only complaint I have is the reset on the trigger. With a Glock you can ride the trigger forward and feel the click. When you do you are most always up against the wall per sey.

Unfortunately with the XD models when you ride the trigger forward after the shot you can feel the trigger reset but there is slack before you are up against the wall. That slack is what I don't like.

Otherwise, both are great pistols and I plan on getting an XD-45 in 5" someday.

[atek3]

out of the box glock and xd triggers suck. They are fine for defensive work, but when the going gets practical, the serious get trigger work. Canyon Creek did the trigger on my XD40, wow is it sweet. Light, crisp, minimal creep, no overtravel, short reset, it's like it should have been from the factory.

atek3

[shield20]

1911, P99QA, HK LEM, most DA/SA

Been a while for a Glock and XD - wasn't too impressed with either. Probably in there before DA/SA. 1911 is ideal. The QA is also short and sweet - though maybe a bit heavy for some. LEM is loooong, and a bit heavy. DA/SA as on Berettas are looooong heavy DA, and sloppy SA.

[jashobeam]

I have an older model Glock 17 (1992). I am quite used to its trigger. Though some might describe it as spongy, I actually enjoy it. On my Glock there doesn't really seem to be a point in the trigger pull that requires more force for it to break. It seems to simply be a matter of distance. When I pull the trigger a certain distance, the gun fires. I don't have to squeeze much HARDER. And the trigger never stops its rearward movement. Being used to this type of trigger, it was difficult for me to get used to guns that, after the initial slack was removed, required extra effort to get the trigger to break. It was weird for me to shoot a gun whose trigger does not move while I am applying more pressure to it. I shot a Les Baer (sp?) like that. After the initial take up of slack, the trigger seemed to stop moving. I flinched, like I expected it to have fired. It was quite difficult for me to retain the same grip while applying more pressure with my finger to an object (the trigger) that was not moving. I didn't like it. I could probably get quite used to it and would most likely love it and appreciate why everyone else loves it. But, I didn't like it because I wasn't used to it.

I haven't been shooting my Glock since I recently acquired a couple of CZs (a P-01 and a 97B). With the CZs there is definitely a point where I become aware that the gun is about to fire. CZs do not have the best triggers. My P-01 has some grittiness, but the pull is pretty consistent.

BTW, I am more accurate with an XD than I am with my Glock, though I do not own an XD and rarely ever shoot one.

Shot an HK USP Match .45 that had an AWESOME trigger! Even the double action trigger was smooth and easy. Best trigger I ever encountered.