What guns for 7.62X54R ?


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MrTwigg
July 1, 2006, 09:45 AM
YES ! I did a search, and got 1112 possible hits, I went a couple of pages in too. I really don't want to chew through all that. I don't mind doing research but I realistically can't spend the weekend on the computer.

OK actually two questions here.

I'm getting into C&R milsurps and now have a couple of Mosin's. I'm trying to find out what other rifles are chambered for thin round. So far I've come up with Mosin-Nagants (Obviously), The SVT-40 and the Dragunov. Any others ?

How available are the latter two ? The SVT's seem to be hard to find as are the Dragunov's and also a bit pricy - not that I'd expect to pick up either for the price of a Mosin.

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deadin
July 1, 2006, 10:59 AM
More M1895 Winchesters were made in 7.62 x 54R than in all other chamberings. I would imagine there were some Remington Rolling Blocks also. (They seem to have been chambered in everything. :D ) I'm sure that there are any number of European sporting guns also.
Dean

hso
July 1, 2006, 11:01 AM
SVTs and Dragunovs are very pricey and should be. Very few would have ever come into the U.S.

Finn M39s are the best of the Mosin rifles and will give impressive performance.

armoredman
July 1, 2006, 11:10 AM
Romak III, Drag clone from Romania, runs about $600 or so.

Langenator
July 1, 2006, 12:44 PM
What deadin doesn't mention is that a Winchester 1895 in 7.62x54R will most likely set you back more than an SVT-40 and SVD combined.

Collectors in Houston had one about a month or two ago. $3k or so, IIRC.

With the Mosins, there is a huge number of "flavors" if you're looking to collect, although they're all mechanically the same. Original M91, M91/30s, M38s, M44s from Russia/USSR, many flavors from Finland, plus Chinese, Romanian, HUngarian, Polish, and some East Germans.

rangerruck
July 1, 2006, 12:53 PM
also you got rpk's and pkms. both basically machinegun types, even though you can get them semi auto.

MSGT9410
July 1, 2006, 02:39 PM
RPKs?

You sure? I thought those were a "SAW" version of 47s and 74s

VorpalSpork
July 1, 2006, 03:28 PM
RPK (7.62x39) (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg15-e.htm)
RPK-74 (5.45x39) (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg16-e.htm)
PKM (7.62x54R) (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg07-e.htm)

Tyril
July 1, 2006, 04:23 PM
Quick check on gunbroker grants this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=51587334


*not affiliated with the seller*


7.62x54R is a very versatile cartridge, able to do just about anything.



-mike

Kurush
July 1, 2006, 04:45 PM
Mosin Nagant (http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl03-e.htm) (many variants, inc chinese and finnish), SVT (http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl06-e.htm), AVS-36 (http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl16-e.htm), PKM (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg07-e.htm), Dragunov (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn18-e.htm) and variants (e.g. PSL (http://www.dragunov.net/psl_tigr.htm), M76 (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn65-e.htm)), DP-28 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg34-e.htm), SG-43 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg35-e.htm), M1910 Maxim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_M1910_Maxim), M-26 Lahti-Saloranta (http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinSmallArms/FinAutomatics.htm), M09-21 Maxim (http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinSmallArms/FinAutomatics.htm), M32 Maxim (http://www.winterwar.com/Weapons/FinSmallArms/FinAutomatics.htm), Winchester 1895 (http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl25-e.htm) ... I think that's it, not counting chinese copies.

mp510
July 1, 2006, 05:18 PM
There is also the SVT 38.

Military Gun Supply, of Texas, is making a semi auto DP-28 from Soviet parts.
http://gunboards.com/TucoAndTheDPTestMGS.htm

grimjaw
July 1, 2006, 07:25 PM
Dupe.

rangerruck
July 1, 2006, 08:09 PM
wow! did you see that winchester, that's the first one i've ever seen. wish you wouldn't have shown me that. I feel a new itch coming on.

MrTwigg
July 1, 2006, 09:02 PM
Now I've got some ideas !

I've alreasy got two Mosin's within the last two weeks, the first was a 1941 Izhevsk 91/30 wic I picked up off the internet cheap and then when I went looking for ammo to feed her I found a another Izhevsk, this one a 1948 M44, all matching numbers, not "line out's or force-matched #'s, a clean stock with darn near no dings and a mirror bright bore. :D I met up with a couple friends today for a com block shoot and had some fun. If you think one M44 makes a big blast, try sitting in between TWO of them on the firing line. :what:

I'm thinking hard about that Finn M39 with a forward "scout style" scope. :)

mp510
July 1, 2006, 09:43 PM
wow! did you see that winchester, that's the first one i've ever seen. wish you wouldn't have shown me that. I feel a new itch coming on.

I have seen one or two in previous online auctions previously. Man, it would be nice if Winchester decided to do a remake of those:)

BTW, I am pretty sure one company was going to make a 7.62x54 semi auto Bren at one point, but I'm not sure if that ever went anywhere:confused:

DMK
July 1, 2006, 11:13 PM
I have seen one or two in previous online auctions previously. Man, it would be nice if Winchester decided to do a remake of those I'd be in C&R heaven if one of the importers suddenly brought over a big lot of 1895s chambered in '54R "found in the back of a warehouse" as they like to say.

More M1895 Winchesters were made in 7.62 x 54R than in all other chamberings. I wonder what ever happened to them all? You'd think the Russians would have had some stashed somewhere. They never throw anything out.

DMK
July 1, 2006, 11:17 PM
You could build your own PKM if you can find a receiver and have a couple grand in your spare change jar.

http://www.dansammo.com/images/inv/o027.asp

http://www.dansammo.com/odds.asp

Ditchtiger
July 2, 2006, 12:42 AM
russian DP28,47 rd pancake drum, $2595. BREN Mkll 7.62x54r, $2995. found at, WWW.MilitaryGunSupply.Com

CCWMAN
July 2, 2006, 01:08 AM
There seems to be no MODERN HIGH QUALITY bolt actions in this caliber. And make no mistake, it's a damn good caliber! It's every bit the equal of our American .30-06-I know this from shooting a Russian Surplus Nagant rifle with Norma 180 grain hunting ammo! That stuff is hot.

Actually given it's rimmed configuration it would make an excellent cartridge for a double rifle(the current French Made Chapuis($15,000+); British Westley Richards,Holland & Holland, & Purdey($35,000++!!); the more affordable Heym 80/88B/88B Safari series($12,000+); and the Searcy Double($6,000-$8,000-see Gun List). With a double rifle with two or three barrel sets in 7.62x54R, the .375 H&H Flanged Nitro Express(Rimmed version of .375 H&H), and the .470 Nitro Express you could hunt the world.:D

Logan5
July 2, 2006, 03:52 AM
The Romak 3/PSL is a good one, although it's finicky about bullet weight, in that it likes lighter weights. The upshot of that is that a lot of the cheap surplus won't give you what you might like out of the weapon, but it's a fun rifle if you're up for trolling the internet for light bullet loads by the case and constantly upgrading and tweaking wierd combloc scopes with sight adjustments in languages you don't know the words for "left" and "right" in. Seriously, which direction is "dreaptha" again?

GarandOwner
July 2, 2006, 03:55 AM
Dragunov "clones" really arent Dragunov's at all, they are closer to a 7.62x54R AK-47 then an accually Dragunov. I had a Russian Dragunov a few years back, sold it after a few months, Its pleasing to the eye, but not worth the money. Not a true "sniper rifle". But I still sold it for more than I paid originally :evil:

Id go for an SVT-40, but then Im a WWII nut. (Scoped mosin is fun as well)

DMK
July 2, 2006, 01:03 PM
Dragunov "clones" really arent Dragunov's at all, they are closer to a 7.62x54R AK-47 then an accually Dragunov. That's right. The Romanian Romak/PSL is based on an RPK. I believe the Yugoslavians used an RPK based rifle too. The just used furniture similar to the Dragunov. The Iraqi's were supposed to have an interesting varient though. It's more true to the original Dragunov design.

I had a Russian Dragunov a few years back, sold it after a few months, Its pleasing to the eye, but not worth the money. Not a true "sniper rifle". The Dragunov and Warsaw Pact copies were really just long range service rifles to reach out past the range of the AK47, not intended to be precision sniper rifles. They were actually used more like a designated marksman rifle issued to a regular soldier of a squad and were not used by independant scout/snipers like the Mosin Nagant or SVT-40 sniper rifles. From everything I've read, they really appreciated these rifles in Afganistan.

Texfire
July 3, 2006, 12:03 AM
I have seen one or two in previous online auctions previously. Man, it would be nice if Winchester decided to do a remake of those. I'd be in C&R heaven if one of the importers suddenly brought over a big lot of 1895s chambered in '54R "found in the back of a warehouse" as they like to say.

More M1895 Winchesters were made in 7.62 x 54R than in all other chamberings.
I wonder what ever happened to them all? You'd think the Russians would have had some stashed somewhere. They never throw anything out.
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DMK

The info I've heard on this, third-hand scuttlebutt so take with a grain of salt, is that there is a large number of them in storage in the former USSR, after all they didn't throw anything away. Bad news is they're in bad shape and someone told them they were worth $800 apiece, so there's no profit for the importers if they bought them.

Tex

Stiletto Null
July 3, 2006, 11:55 AM
Scuttlebutt is also that there are a bunch of G43s sitting in warehouses in Russia.

I believe you can get 7.62x54R barrels for the T-C Encore.

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