Combustin Paper Fer Cartridges


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Manyirons
July 1, 2006, 12:00 PM
Tha BOSS got sick and tired of tha ciggie paper and delays in firin, and tha point they aint exactly whatya might call TOUGH.

SO, gettin to tha point, he now has nitrided flash paper fer cartridge buildin an its heavier stock and DEFINATELY goes POOF!

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Old Fuff
July 1, 2006, 01:48 PM
Model airplane builders often use a material called "silkspan" to cover the wings and whatever. It is a thin, fiber-reenforced, flexable paper (not unlike the stock that paper money is printed on, but thinner,) that I found to be excellent for making cartridges - much better then cig-paper.

Manyirons
July 1, 2006, 01:52 PM
Fluff!

Happy ta see ya! Yup, he tried simular, but wanted a total combustin and i mean REALLY combustin product, no embers or anythin left over so's he simply started makin these.

Did some with paper youd use fer business cards, they go POOF right good but nobody would believe it!

Old Fuff
July 1, 2006, 02:06 PM
I should have added that I would make up a saturated Potassium Nitrate/water solution, pour it into a cake pan, and dip the paper sheets therein. Then hang them on a line to dry. My cartridges didn't leave nut'ten behind. :eek: :)

Manyirons
July 1, 2006, 02:26 PM
Tha BOSS did his nitrite thing on an old granite plate an spray bottle. These newer ones is flash paper, they goes POOF, dont exactly burn slow. Thas what he wanted, so's no matter HOW much paper is up agin flash hole they goes BOOM right now.

These is soaked in two acids an neutrilized, dont know tha workin of it jus watchan TRY an learn!

orionengnr
July 1, 2006, 07:27 PM
..pretty painful reading.

Lots of spell check programs available for free...

Oldnamvet
July 1, 2006, 08:16 PM
Two acids, probably nitric and sulfuric. Hmmm...... that is the basis for making gun cotton! No wonder they go *poof* so well.

oldwheat
July 1, 2006, 08:34 PM
......Yerp, Yer basic nitrocellulose......Sounds intriguing......

Manyirons
July 1, 2006, 09:00 PM
Thas it! Jus like tha stuff i usta get in magic shop when i wassa kid! GREAT fer those fire off yer fingers things.

Goes POOF so fast, doesnt have time ta burn ya!

Dark Helmet
July 1, 2006, 11:42 PM
Way back in the day.... I made my own by heating up several ounces of saltpeter in a small pan of water to get a good concentration and soaking a couple of sheets of onionskin typewriter paper at a time. Dry them out, cut to size, made myself some combustible cartridges!:D

mec
July 1, 2006, 11:53 PM
High yield stump remover- available at the local garden store is mostly potassium nitrate. Need to boil and strain off a bit of goop and let the Kn02 precipitate out though.

Old Fuff
July 2, 2006, 12:11 AM
Interesting... Sounds like neat trick. ;)

Duncaninfrance
July 2, 2006, 09:54 AM
Don't use TOO much!!
Duncan

Manyirons
July 2, 2006, 10:22 AM
LOL!!! :) DONE that!

Oldnamvet
July 2, 2006, 10:44 AM
MEC,
I think you meant KNO3. KNO2 is potassium nitrite not nitrate. Chemistry is one of my hobbies.:D

Boom-stick
July 7, 2006, 06:20 AM
I wanted chemistry to be one of my hobbies too but the wife, well she knows me and knows the only thing I'm gonna make is stuff that goes bang. so that a no-no on the chemistry front:(

quiknot
July 7, 2006, 10:35 PM
is it readily available.....and how is it mixed...50/50....75/25...?

TMM
July 9, 2006, 05:29 PM
good question... how is this special paper actually made? and what paper should it be used on?

~tmm

Dark Helmet
July 9, 2006, 06:57 PM
See my post # 10 above, after the paper dries wrap a piece around a dowel and either slightly moisten or use a very small amount of glue (careful you don't stick it to your dowel or whatever you settle on for a form) on the side and one end (leave a little hanging off the end of your form and fold it in on itself), let dry and slide it off. When you're sure it's really dry put in your powder charge and either fold or maybe twist the end closed , again a little glue to hold it closed. When that's dry, to use simply break in two, dumping the powder in your muzzle/chamber and the paper with it! Seat your ball/bullet as usual, cap and fire!

Third_Rail
July 9, 2006, 07:31 PM
This is not nitrate soaked paper - this is nitrated paper. Big difference - this goes up all at once, while nitrated paper burns only a touch faster than ordinary paper. The big difference is that this is for revolvers mainly, so that paper cartridges can be seated without fear of the cap's flash not reaching the charge because of the paper. :)

chrisbob
July 10, 2006, 11:56 PM
I have been getting my potassium nitrate and sulfur from the local drug store for 20 years but now I have to order it can anyone give me a safe and reliable recipe for making paper cartridges for my b/p revolvers. I. E. how much water , pot. nitrate. ?? sulfur ?? , type of paper. I will experiment but don't want to do it wrong.

Manyirons
July 11, 2006, 12:18 AM
Dont matter cause these AINT paper soaked on Potassium Nitrate solution theys FLASH PAPER, an thas a WHOLE different thing!

Ya needs acids (2) neutrilizer an skill. Point is, no matter HOW MUCH paper with these ya gets up again tha flash hole, it AINT GONNA HANG FIRE!

Ifin ya wants simple paper soaked in potnit, jus wake a saturated solution, ya know , as much PotNit as tha water can take, put er in a spray bottle, put yer paer onna marble, granite or other smooth surface that aint gonna soak in anythin, give a goodly spray, let em dry, peel em off an go.

BUT THEY AINT FLASH PAPER!

Dark Helmet
July 11, 2006, 07:14 PM
But it works well none the less . Use the smallest quantity of water that you can work with, maybe a cup or two, so it won't take so much saltpeter. Just put as much as your water will dissolve( a saturated solution) or heat it a little and add more for a super saturated solution. I soaked mine in the warm solution a little while. It will even burn when its a little wet that way.:p save the solution in something that closes well. If you put enough in it will get a little crusty in there as it cools. Add a little water, stir and transfer back into whatever you heated it in the start with for the next batch!

Manyirons
July 11, 2006, 08:23 PM
Not ta be disagreeable, but they dont always, (tha soaked paper) work well. Smolders. One a tha reasons theys developed fer sale, cowboy action shootin and huntin. In a hurry that soaked paper can get bunched agin tha flashhole. Hangfire er no fire.

Flashpaper, aint no hangfire even if ya takes a whole sheet and bunches it down there first.

So when its important, ya wants somethin a bit more combustable.

Dark Helmet
July 11, 2006, 10:13 PM
I always broke mine as i was loading them - no hangfires.

chrisbob
July 12, 2006, 06:45 PM
I have been experimenting I used 2 tbs potit to 4 tbls of boiling water in a dbl boiler to but it is to thick I am getting a thick crystaline film on it It is drying as we speak. I only bought a lb of potnit so I don't want to waste it

I also made a batch w/ sulfur & charc. & potnit & soak the paper
??? I'll let you know how it turns out. Or doesn't.

Does potnit soaked paper leave EXTRA RESIDUE it does in a tin can ??:confused:

Old Fuff
July 12, 2006, 06:54 PM
I think you should buy some of manyiron's flash paper and eliminate the need to experiment.:D :D

No, you don't need to mix in charcoal and/or sulfur, and you do need to use the right kind of paper so ash doesn't remain.

Manyirons
July 12, 2006, 07:45 PM
Thanks Fluff, but aint mine, i'm jus tha guy pushin tha broom!

sidewinder slim
July 13, 2006, 01:36 PM
can you use the paper from dixie the paper made for sharps

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cpath=22_99_316&products_id=8217

Manyirons
July 13, 2006, 02:10 PM
Nope!

Has ta be 100% cotton stuff ta work right anythin else tha acids jus eat er up! Thas why fer those that aint gettin it; NITRITED CELLULOSE AINT THA SAME AS POTASSIUM NITRATE. Never has, never will be.

Preciate tha helpful try though!!!

Third_Rail
July 13, 2006, 02:20 PM
I had figured Jule was using linen paper. I was close! :D

chrisbob
July 14, 2006, 12:32 AM
I had good results from from my paper. I used plain old news paper and I used 1.5 cig. papers they are both good. Cig p's burn cleaner . News p's are more sturdy. they both burn well

follow the previous instructions after the paper has cooled and dry ed scrape the excess off w/a plastic knife carefully set a match to it to test

disclaimer YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.!:neener: :D

Oldnamvet
July 15, 2006, 09:44 AM
http://www.dunniway.com/archer/preparation1.html

Look at the above for an old recipe for gun cotton -- which can be used with paper made from cotton. It is a LOT different from just adding KNO3 to paper. Also a lot more dangerous to prepare.:uhoh:

Manyirons
July 15, 2006, 10:01 AM
You got it! Papers shipped DAMP ta customers, cant POOF when damp, ya lets it dry and yer alright.

Course, ifin yer tha type that smokes aroun blackpowder, i cant help ya! Oh ya, an its one a those DONT DO THIS AT HOME BOYS&GIRLS things!

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