San Antonio has an indoor range...and it sucks!


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StrikeFire83
July 3, 2006, 05:10 PM
Okay, so I was recently laid off in Austin, TX and I just moved back home to San Antonio.

I hear on the radio that San Antonio, my hometown, finally has an INDOOR pistol range! Wow, Im excited, as we haven't had an indoor range in over 20 years. And then I go to their website, read the range rules, and a few things jump out at me as BS.

1. $365 annual fee. --> Seems a little high, but they've made a big investment, so I figured it's fair.

2. The "range master" will pour over and inspect all weapons before entering the range. --> Okay, a little draconian, but safety is key, I guess.

3. The DEAL breaker, I’ve got to buy THEIR ammo in MY guns. And they charge $12 a box for freakin 9mm. They lady on the phone says, ever so sweetly, “Members get a 20% discount!” Great, so I’ll be paying $9.50 a box for ammo I can get at for $4. WHAT ammo to they charge $12 a box for, you may ask? Good ole Winchester White box.

So, long story short, I’ll be sticking to my OUTDOOR ranges, where I don’t take it in the rear every time I shoot.

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MCgunner
July 3, 2006, 05:23 PM
Mmm, well, here in podunk I pay a membership fee of $35 a year. It's not indoor, but you just run by the police station and check out the key. Shoot your own, no inspectors, 25, 50, 100, 200 yard ranges, nice shooting tables, all the brass and lead you wanna pick up, what more could I ask????:D If you can't shoot your own at that indoor range, I guess that rules out chronographs, too. I'd have no use for such a range unless it was just DIRT cheap to join. Even then, I'd sneak in reloads in my drawers or something. Buy 50 rounds, shoot a couple hundred. That'd have 'em scratchin' their heads, eh? LOL!

grimjaw
July 3, 2006, 05:40 PM
$365 a year? Do you get fries with that? :uhoh:

I thought $120/year was high after paying $30/year for the outdoor range.

jmm

chickenfried
July 3, 2006, 06:12 PM
WOW! Even in SF Bay Area, CA my range membership cost me $200 with none of those restrictions.

StrikeFire83
July 3, 2006, 06:40 PM
Yeah, it's a total wank. Terrible deal. In Austin, which is a much more expensive place to live than San Antonio, I paid $250 for a 1 year membership at an indoor range, and there are TWO locations to choose from. You can shoot ANYTHING in your guns if you want, lead reloads, steel, aluminum, whatever.

I just got back from academy where I bought FIVE 50 rounds boxes of monarch brass case 9mm for $32! And these clowns want $12 a box! wow.

PLUS, you have to book your time in advance, and you can only shoot for 1 hour blocks...MAX!

This place is gonna go out of business soon if they don't change some of these policies, and I can't say I'll be sorry for them if they do.

MCgunner
July 3, 2006, 07:26 PM
There was a guy in SA chatting on the Two Wheeled Texans motorcycle BBS a while back that owns a range, outdoor I think, out on the west side. I mapquested it cause he was asking for part time range officers for their shoots there and I briefly thought about it since I'm sort of semi retired, but it's too far for me to mess with. Anyway, it sounded like a nice range, gun rentals, sales, etc there. Can't remember the name of it, though.

Sistema1927
July 3, 2006, 07:50 PM
I think that one of two things is going to happen to that range:

1) Either they are going to get their price and policies in line with the real world, or
2) They will go belly up.

Anna's Dad
July 3, 2006, 08:42 PM
All but one of the indoor ranges in Palm Beach county, Florida conspired together and started requiring you to buy their ammo. Having all the ranges get together and coordinate this maneuver almost seems illegal--its not that different than price fixing when you think about it.

The only range that doesn't enforce the rule is waaaaay up north (big drive for most people in the county, myself include), small, and has terrible ventilation.

Fortunately I'm moving to the Orlando area soon and I know there are many more options from which to choose.

Grunt
July 3, 2006, 08:46 PM
Once again I'm TDY down here at Lackland and I know there is a place called "A Place to Shoot" just off 410 on the South side of town. I was only out there once back during cop school to see if they rented rifles (we had one TDY in the group that was a little weak in this area I wanted to help out) but they only rent handguns. Outdoor range but when I was there back in January, it seemed like a pretty good range. Right now my classes keep me fairly busy so I don't have time to go out there but that might be another option to the indoor range.

GEM
July 3, 2006, 10:13 PM
The west side of town is a death sentence for indoor ranges. First there was a small but pleasant range run by a guy named Ernest - Executive Protective Services. You just paid a fee and shot away. Then a big place opened up nearby - Accuracy - and it killed off Ernest. It was run by stupid, arrogant folks who alternated between commandos and Deliverance. Their gunsmith STUNK. They gave me back a gun that was function with a broken spring - huh? Their staff was crooked at times and they had to put in cameras to monitor them. The range was not well ventilated and dirty.

Red's in Austin told me that they were incompetent at the business. They folded and the range became some church.

The new range - it's been described and I wouldn't pay anybody $365 for a membership with those conditions. I shoot at Dietz with friends for $7 (NRA) all day or at matches. There are other outdoor ranges on all sides of town. Only problem with them is heat and putting up with others.

There has been some discussion that the new Bass Pro might have an indoor range - hope so. Even if they are strict it might work out.

MCgunner
July 3, 2006, 10:20 PM
I went back and found that post. Sounds like a good place to shoot if you don't just HAVE to be inside.

We have an informal Shoot every Thursday night. This week 4/13 is the Bowling Pin Shoot.

This is one of our more popular shoots and I invite you all out. If you have never done one that is OK, you can do it or you are just welcome to watch. This is family oriented shooting and you can bring your kids, friends or co workers. If you dont have a gun to shoot, we rent them.

Bullet Hole Shooting Range
www.bullethole.com.
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bigmike45
July 4, 2006, 03:44 PM
MCgunner,

Are you talking about the Bay Gun Club???? If so, I am a member and that is where I took my CHL class. I have not been there in about 2 months. I run a business in downtown Port Lavaca. I used to go out there during my lunch hour at least twice a week.

The CHL Class was put on by the former Chief of Police there in Pt. Lavaca.

MCgunner
July 4, 2006, 05:12 PM
Former chief would be Grover Grant. I've known Grover for quite a while. He's quite a character. When he was just a beat cop, he'd see I was checked out on the range, come out there and yak my head off. I wouldn't get any shooting done for tellin' tall tales with Grover. :D Yeah, I've been a member since the mid 80s when we didn't even have a range 'cause we'd gotten run off old man Traylor's place.

I'm on Broadway, do small engine repairs, four wheelers, whatever. I'm next door to old man Young's car wash. I haven't been participating much in the shoots and that. For the last five years I've been busy mostly with my racing. I road race and flat track motorcycles, another friggin' expensive hobby.:rolleyes: But, we have a meeting Wednesday night and I think I'll bop over there. If I'm home for the next shoot, I will probably run out there. Was going to go to one a while back and it got rained out. :banghead:

rbernie
July 5, 2006, 10:33 AM
I sure hope that $365 annual fee covers any daily fees. If I had to pay a daily usage fee on top of that (not uncommon), I would be very sad.

SASS#23149
July 5, 2006, 12:09 PM
with gas prices so high,and my range 70 miles away I would occasionaly go to an inroor range in Portland,Or....Place to Shoot.
recently they instituted a 'no relaods' policy.
Haven't been back,and won't be. :(
their ammo was reloads for cryin' out loud.

bigmike45
July 5, 2006, 01:13 PM
MCgunner,

Grover Grant...thats the man!! He is definately a handfull!!! I believe his company that he works under to give the CHL class is Diamondback..something or another.

I operate the Contractors Safety Council of the Texas Mid Coast on West Main. I know where your place is and if I get a chance will run by one day during lunch. If you are free lunch is on me.

I'm due for renewal of my membership so I need to get to one of the meetings soon. I live 90 miles north of PL, so staying that late is usually not an option for me. I made a couple of the funshoots last year but I have been so busy I just find the time to be there on Saturdays very difficult. And I really enjoy the shoots. I also really like the work done on the range. It is a great place to go shoot.

Mike

MCgunner
July 5, 2006, 04:10 PM
I'm due for renewal of my membership so I need to get to one of the meetings soon. I live 90 miles north of PL, so staying that late is usually not an option for me.

Jeez, gasoline must be KILLIN' ya. :eek: My wife worked for Texas CPS for 13 years, was in Bay City (50 miles) when she quit. She didn't get to keep half her check considering travel expenses even with a Toyota Echo. :banghead: We're both sorta retired, though I still wrench for fun money.

Grover also has or had a FFL and I bought a P95 from him once, ordered it for me. He doesn't charge that much if you find a gun you can't live without and it needs to be shipped.

I know where you're at. I worked out at Formosa Plastics for 23 years, did a lot of safe work permits, lock, tag, and try stuff, so I know the safety subject matter. :D When I first hired on at Formosa, I was living in Brazoria. Grew up in Jones Creek, near Freeport. I'd been laid off at Dow Texas Division and got hired down here and for a year was driving 83 miles one way to work. Man, that got old fast!

Well, you guys can have your thread back now....:cool:

Molon Labe
July 5, 2006, 06:36 PM
My range is 50 yards from our house. I'm (usually) the range master, and we shoot .22s, full auto M16s, .50 BMGs, and everything in between. Members (a.k.a. my friends) are never charged dues, and we cook out and drink beer afterwards.

O.K., I'll stop bragging. :evil:

Sam Adams
July 5, 2006, 06:52 PM
I called that place up a couple of months ago and decided that there's no way I'd join - for the same reasons. I'm not paying $365/year just to shoot handguns, much less to pay exhorbinant fees for the ammo. I'd go if I could pay $8-$10 for a 1 or 1 1/2 hour session, and shoot my ammo - because I'd love to go there over lunch in the bad heat or when it is raining, and I'd even consent to use only factory-loaded ammo.

With the present fee set up and the high ammo prices, this place will be forced to revamp its policies fairly soon.

Oh, BTW, the $365 is only a special for a couple of months - the regular fee is $500. Isn't that special? :barf:

BrennanKG
July 5, 2006, 06:58 PM
$500/year?

:eek:

That's more than the Scottsdale Gun Club (incidentally the nicest indoor range I've ever visited).






B.

Pickpocket
July 5, 2006, 07:10 PM
Sounds like what happened is that place may have sunk a good deal of money into the project but didn't set up alternate revenue streams. An indoor range is an expensive project, and you're not going to become profitable unless you offer some other services and/or products.

Either that or they're just insane and think people will pay their fees. Then again...maybe people will :rolleyes:

DoubleTapDrew
July 5, 2006, 07:27 PM
Wait until they go belly up then buy the range from them dirt cheap and charge realistic prices...and rent out machine guns! :evil:

LiquidTension
July 5, 2006, 07:37 PM
You think there was a lot of money put into that place to begin with, wait until you start buying up machine guns to rent out :rolleyes:


No way I'd give that place any money. Our indoor range here charges $12/hr range time, I think it's the same to rent a gun, and you can shoot whatever you bring. I still prefer outdoor ranges though.

71Commander
July 5, 2006, 08:09 PM
My indoor range charges 200.00 a year and then discounted daily fees. After you buy 5 guns, they wave the annual fee but still charge the daily.

Good news: I bought the 5 guns in a short period of time

Bad news: I'm moving out of state forever.

rbernie
July 5, 2006, 08:21 PM
At my favorite indoor range, it's $85/yr and $7/day. I guess that's an OK deal, after all....

LoneCoon
July 5, 2006, 08:54 PM
I like Ohio's Dept. of Natural resources Outdoor Ranges.

25 bucks a year, shoot all you want, anything you want, and I think there's at least 12 locations around the state to use.

Of course, you've got no one selling ammo or anything, but hey, who cares?

Drizzt
July 5, 2006, 10:03 PM
StrikeFire: Are you talking about Red's? I admit I haven't been in there in a bit, but I didn't know you had to reserve your range time, if that's the case. A friend and I have had issues with the owner of Red's, being that she doesn't really seem to care too much about the RKBA fight and bringing new folks into the fold, just seems to be out for herself.

dracphelan
July 5, 2006, 10:44 PM
Makes me glad in I live in the DFW area. There are at least 4 (may be more) indoor ranges in the area. The 3 closest to me all charge $15 for non-members and let you use your own ammo.

mosttoyswins
July 6, 2006, 12:27 AM
I actually met the owner of the new range at the Saxet gun show here in San Antonio a few months ago.

He told me he basically took every last bit of life savings he had and dumped it into the range.

Here is a link to the range's website

http://www.texasthunderrange.com/index.html

Evidently from what he said everything is state of the art (havn't been there myself).

I was thinking about joining but I had the same concerns everyone else here has...it is TOO EXPENSIVE! Driving 20 miles to the outdoor ranges north of town and shooting for $10.00 is easy enough for me.

He also told me that he has contracted with a few of the local and federal law enforcement agencies for them to use his range so he IS making money from areas other than members off the street. (If he signed those contracts)

I will bet in a few months he lowers his prices and relaxes his rules a little.

If he doesn't...bye bye life savings.

RioShooter
July 6, 2006, 12:28 AM
The new indoor range in Brownsville (open less than 2 years), The American Firing Range, has an annual fee of $200 that entitles you to unlimited shooting. They have ammo for sale at reasonalbe prices, but you can use your own.

Non-member range time is $10/hr.

They do IDPA and bowling pin shooting on alternating Thurs. nights.

I hope they stay in business.

Parker Dean
July 6, 2006, 12:33 AM
The Sharpshooter in Corpus (about 2 hrs south of SA) just built themselves a nice new gun shop with attached indoor rifle and pistol ranges. I think the rifle is only 25yds. And it's on a major street close to the malls, etc., so the rent can't be all that cheap.

Anyway, there are no annual fees, no restriction on ammo supply, and they don't give a rats patoot about your gun unless you're trying to sell it to 'em. Usage fees don't seem to have changed from their old location.

My point is that just because it's a new build doesn't mean that it has to cost users an arm and a leg. I think the bankruptcy predictions for that range in SA are probably right.

DoubleTapDrew
July 6, 2006, 01:12 AM
You think there was a lot of money put into that place to begin with, wait until you start buying up machine guns to rent out
There used to be a place here that rented MG's until it burned down (arson I believe). I would think they wouldn't buy up transferrables, just get their SOT and pay $800-$2000 each and rent em for $50 an hour or so.

Dacoda
July 6, 2006, 02:42 AM
If you think the price of the RANGE is ridiculous... go next door to the gun shop.

I've said it before on here, BulletHole, off of HWY 90 and Grosenbacher Rd is the BEST range around. (San Antonio Area)
It's outdoors, I think the price is $7.50 a day. Doesn't matter how many guns you bring. They do sell ammo, but you don't HAVE to shoot theirs. They also rent out full auto. I'm so in love with their MP5. Extra targets are only $.50. You can walk out to the targets and change them yourself, unlike "A Place To Shoot". Well, except their handgun range, A Place To Shoot has a string and pulley system so you can change the targets out.

-Dacoda-

bigmike45
July 6, 2006, 11:20 AM
Jeez, gasoline must be KILLIN' ya. My wife worked for Texas CPS for 13 years, was in Bay City (50 miles) when she quit. She didn't get to keep half her check considering travel expenses even with a Toyota Echo. We're both sorta retired, though I still wrench for fun money.

Grover also has or had a FFL and I bought a P95 from him once, ordered it for me. He doesn't charge that much if you find a gun you can't live without and it needs to be shipped.

I know where you're at. I worked out at Formosa Plastics for 23 years, did a lot of safe work permits, lock, tag, and try stuff, so I know the safety subject matter. When I first hired on at Formosa, I was living in Brazoria. Grew up in Jones Creek, near Freeport. I'd been laid off at Dow Texas Division and got hired down here and for a year was driving 83 miles one way to work. Man, that got old fast!


Yeah...the drive is a bear, but I really love where I live, and I like running the council here. The drive is not too bad, financially considering I drive a 2003 VW Jetta with the 50mpg diesel. It cut my fuel bill to 25% of what it originally was. 215,000+ miles and still going strong.:D

Deanimator
July 6, 2006, 12:16 PM
There used to be a range out in Sheffield (Lake?), OH off of Colorado Ave(?). They wouldn't allow anything except jacketed ammunition. I went out there to zero some handguns for Camp Perry. They wanted to sell me some +P JHPs for my Giles .38 Special M1911 wadcutter gun...

The club I belong to, North Olmsted Sportsman's Club is ~$75/yr. You can shoot any time the range isn't being used (within reasonable hours) as long as you've got a couple of club members. You can shoot any reasonable ammo, although a lot of hollowpoints are discouraged to prevent wear and tear to the backstop. It's got the best backstop system in the area, using pulverized rubber. Lead counts are very low because of it.

I no longer patronize commercial ranges. Of the three close by, one I consider poorly supervised and dangerous, and another with a first class jerk behind the counter. The third, I can't comment on, having never shot there since they changed hands a number of years ago. They're owned by a local gunstore chain. The salespeople at their other store without a range seem pleasant enough.

Rumble
July 6, 2006, 12:46 PM
The closest range to me is an indoor pistol range. You have to use their ammo, regardless of what you're shooting. Rapid fire ist verboten. I use it because it's the only thing within an hour, I believe, that isn't private/members only. But I don't use it much.

The range I wish was close to me is the one my Dad uses. Membership is $200/year, but that means unlimited free rentals and range time, and they let you bring your own ammo (with certain exceptions). Plus, full-auto and rapid fire is permitted.

Not that this helps the OP, since all these places are in Pennsylvania.

StrikeFire83
July 6, 2006, 02:05 PM
StrikeFire: Are you talking about Red's? I admit I haven't been in there in a bit, but I didn't know you had to reserve your range time, if that's the case. A friend and I have had issues with the owner of Red's, being that she doesn't really seem to care too much about the RKBA fight and bringing new folks into the fold, just seems to be out for herself.

I was talking about a new pistol range in SAN ANTONIO, the Texas Thunder Range. Actually, I love Reds Indoor ranges, both the North and South locations, as my membership will work in EITHER location. As I've been laid off and have to move back to San Antonio, however, it's not going to be realistic for me to shoot at Reds any longer.

At Reds you can shoot your own ammo, there is NO time limit for members, and you DON'T have to book in advance. I don't know what your "friend" was talking about, but the owner of Red's is RED, a MAN, and he's always been nothing but fair and courteous to me.

I think I’m going to check out this “Bullet Hole” place when I get back into town.

Sam Adams
July 6, 2006, 02:26 PM
Dacoda,

What you say about The Bullet Hole is absolutely the truth. It is a bit out of the way for most, being in the NW corner of SA, but to me it is well worth it. The people are friendly, the costs are VERY reasonable, your freedom to shoot guns that you want to and ammo that you bring or even reload is basically unlimited...and there are those full autos :D

I've been going there for years, and I'd heartily recommend the range to anyone.

bdutton
July 6, 2006, 02:45 PM
My club charges $150 per year plus $15 for the indoor range (high heating costs in NH). I get $40 back if I volunteer 8 hours of service.

Only rule is that only lead can be used in the 50 foot indoor range.

In addition to the indoor range there are:

100 yard outdoor function range
50/25 yard bullseye turning target range.
Sillouhette range
5 or 6 trap fields
2 ipsc ranges
archery range
600 yard high power range being built.
4000+ square foot meeting hall with full industrial sized kitchen.

based on what you guys are saying... my fees are quite fair.

BrennanKG
July 6, 2006, 02:48 PM
NW corner of San Antonio?

Sounds like it might be a good choice from Helotes.
:)


B.

Reloader
July 6, 2006, 03:02 PM
Does anyone know if Howard Dietz still has his range on HWY 46 north of New Braunfels? He used to charge $6.00 a day or $45 a year, no limit on guns and would provide targets and ear plugs. Plus he is a top rated gunsmith and had the Central Texas Silouette shootwers ranges on his property. Great guy to deal with. Only downside was he closed for deer season so his neighbors ( and himself) could hunt. Not a bad deal.

GEM
July 6, 2006, 03:06 PM
As far as I know Dietz is open - haven't been there for about 3 months but one of my friends lives nearby and shoots there all the time.

Nice range. On the west side, you have Blackhawk and Bullethole- I go to Blackhawk for the IDPA matches. Haven't done Bullethole yet - too little time - but I'd like to try the steel matches they have there.

Lots of outdoor ranges around here!

pistolero
July 6, 2006, 05:26 PM
There is a steel match at the Bullet Hole this coming Saturday July 8th. You use the dirt road behind the mobile home and go to the back and make the first left. Sign up at 8:30 and shoot at 9:00. Five stages, bare minimum of 120 rounds if you don't miss (yeah, right).

marriedguy1
July 6, 2006, 06:52 PM
I think Dietz now charges 75 for the year and that includes your spouse having range privileges as well. If you are not a member then it costs 10 for the day. No limit on the number of guns either. This is all information I got from a nice gun counter guy at Sportsman's Warehouse.

carterbeauford
July 6, 2006, 11:26 PM
Buy some land and some treated wood. Make your own range. I know this is unrealistic for some but this is how I see things and why I don't patronize any sort of range.

Seriously, not like I have a problem with authority, but no one tells me what I shoot in my guns! I suppose they stock the right loads for finicky Kel-Tecs? :scrutiny:

Seriously, I think I have less than $365 in materials, a nice pistol, a couple boxes of ammunition, a stack of targets and a staple gun.

Cousin Mike
July 9, 2006, 02:46 AM
Wow... Insane. The indoor pistol range I go to = $75 a year for memberships, and you can shoot almost anything you like. They don't like really hot reloads in magnum calibers due to noise. $3 to rent a pistol, member or not. And if you're not a member, $12 per hour to shoot. 1 guest gets member privelages when they're with the account holder.

$365 a year seems just a tad insane. $500 has got to be a joke.

MCgunner
July 9, 2006, 12:52 PM
As far as I know Dietz is open - haven't been there for about 3 months but one of my friends lives nearby and shoots there all the time.

Wonder if that's the range I used to hear when I was in a box blind on a lease up north of SA hunting. That lease was up that road that goes to Natural Bridge Caverns. The lease was called "Bat Cave Ranch" and I think there was a "Bat Cave Road" near there if that tells anyone anything. It wasn't more'n five miles from north SA and there were nice neighborhoods near by. Wasn't that close to New Braunsfels, so I'm thinkin' that might have been a different range. All I know is there's a range out there somewhere, 'cause every time I went to that lease, I could hear the shooting. That was over 10 years ago, though.

Chris Rhines
July 9, 2006, 02:07 PM
Sturgeon's Relevation applies to shooting ranges, too. If you have a good one to go to, do whatever it takes to hang on to it.

- Chris

MrMex
September 3, 2006, 07:40 PM
This thread died a while back and since Imoved rectly I was looking around for a range and found this. Just curious if this guy has any customers? Anyone here?

Also, did the new Bass Pro shops finalize if they are going to have an indoor range or not?

<-- does not feel like my package being as hot as my gun barrel:fire:

bender
September 3, 2006, 08:36 PM
I was looking around for a range and found this
found what?

Bass Pro is opening up outside of Loop 1604, on I-10. that's close to where I work.
didn't know they were maybe gonna have an indoor range... I could have some fun on my lunch hours !

phantomak47
September 3, 2006, 11:04 PM
Come to Houston where the ranges all suck and the gunshops are way over priced.


The only decent indoor ranger in town is something like $15 an hour , but you Are allowed to bring your own ammo.


As for gunshops , there is nothing reasonable in the whole town, I still cant understand why. When I moved to Houston , I figured they would have a walmart gunstore, yet there is not even a decent store in the whole place.

When I can buy guns cheaper back in Boston, that should tell you something!!!

ORAG
September 4, 2006, 12:11 PM
Several years ago, the local National Guard Armory indoor range had a good local shooting club using their range a couple of nights a month. I stopped in one day to shoot my .22 and found that one of the gun team members had been shooting some non standard ammo and the metal plats at the back of the range had major holes. I can only suppose it was some AP ammo. If I had to meet the EPA reuirements, maintain the range and make a living, I would want you to shoot my ammo. When we upgraded the range to ensure ventilation and EPA reqs, it was a many thousand dollar deal. No more non mlitary shooters on that range.

BetaShooter
September 4, 2006, 06:13 PM
My buddy signed up for the Thunder Range. He is sorry he did and won't be renewing. I went once with him because he has some guest passes. This free trip cost me more in ammo cost than going to the Bullet Hole. You also have to buy their targets at $3 a pop. The rangemaster (a chubby dude) was extremely anal about safety, I mean over the top. I let my buddy shoot my 1911 and handed it to him in the next booth, slide back (action open), no magazine, muzzle pointed downrange during the whole handover process anyway. The guy gave me a ton of crap about it! I mean a 5 min. lecture on gun safety. I ended up telling the guy enough - STFU.

Also, they have somewhat limited times when you can shoot. They have LEO times only and whenver they are teaching a CHL class, members aren't allowed.

I can't see how he will stay open much longer. Oh, you think $12 a box is bad for 9mm, try $26 for .45ACP - that's for 50 rounds.

bender
September 4, 2006, 07:11 PM
I've never been to the indoor Thunder Range. Guess I don't need to go based on the comments here.

Me & my shooting buddy went to Cedar Ridge yesterday, and we also got a 5 minute lecture from the woman there. Like we were gonna shoot each other ??
We both just kept looking at the benches or ground while she was yakking, and were going "ok, ok, ok....".

I hate being treated like a baby, but that's the way it is now.

jason10mm
September 5, 2006, 02:32 PM
I'm lucky that Bracken range is just 5 minutes from where I live. They charge by the gun but they have one open bay so I can practice draws and stuff with my wife. Place to Shoot is nice but a bit of a drive from me and I don't like the fact that the handgun range is unsupervised (at least a few years back). Had some guys next to me playing fast draw cowboy from their holsters once, 5feet BACK from the line!! Never been back since.

Blackhawk is real nice, just don't make it down thre since Texas Tactical moved to Dripping Springs. Same drive either way, so I go north. Bullethole could use a facility makeover, but no complaints when I took my CHL class there.

I remember the big indoor range in the late 90's. Went there one January on the COLDEST DAY OF THE YEAR! We had heaters in the ranges in North Carolina, so I figured they have the same here (new to the state at the time!). WRONG! After standing under the blower for 20 minutes watching my hands turn blue I had to stop shooting. Nice facilities though.

Correia
September 5, 2006, 04:40 PM
Actually $500 a year isn't unreasonable, depending on what you get for that. That works out to $40 a month. If you get 4 or 5 hours of range time for that, you are ahead of most indoor ranges that charge $12-$15 to rent a lane.

Now if they charge $500, and then you still have to pay for each individual lane rental, then that is too high.

And they are only crazy if they don't get it. You might be surprised how many people value their time more than their money who will gladly pay those fees for a place to shoot that is nearby.

From the indoor range owner's perspective, they only have so many hours of available range rentals. There are only so many lanes, and only so many hours in the day. Perhaps they are banking on a smaller number of shooters paying more, rather than having a packed range, and making pennies per shooter.

I've seen both methods work at indoor ranges.

MrMex
September 6, 2006, 11:39 AM
Those are some advantagous prices hes got at thunder. Its already enough the membership fees he charges, but come on, $26 for box of 50...that's just wrong. That right there is why I won't even consider getting a membership.

Bender, where is Cedar range? How are there facilities and do they charge by gun or person?

bender
September 6, 2006, 01:28 PM
Cedar Ridge is on 1863 in between San antonio and new braunfels. You go up 281 north outside of 1604, drive by encino park and all those new housing developments... I'm guessing its maybe 10 miles outside of 1604... turn right on 1863 and go ... I'm not sure... a few miles... its on your right.... I know where it is, but I still drive right past the entrance half the times I go there... and have to do a U-turn back !

you know you're there when you see some high, scenic cliffs on your left while driving on 1863.

Anyway, the range is nice. they let you walk to your targets, and change targets, and stuff. Its kind of "sectioned off' I mean, its not like Braken where everyone is in ONE LINE shooting in one big open range. Cedar Ridge is more like "separate areas". I think it is $10 per person, no matter how many guns you bring.

edit: back in the 1980s and early-90s Cedar Ridge was called "La Paloma". Maybe they changed owners or something.

I'm lucky that Bracken range is just 5 minutes from where I live.
Braken Range is also 5-minutes from my house.

MrMex
September 6, 2006, 04:16 PM
Cool, i knew there was one out that way. I have to try that one out next, just came back from buleethole with my girlfriend...always a good choice in my book!

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