Low Recoil 9mm Pistols.


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bg226
July 3, 2006, 07:30 PM
When I was shooting a 9mm BHP, the recoil/muzzleflip was nasty. I couldn't hit a thing. Very disappointing.

What i'm looking for is a full-size truly low recoil 9mm pistol. It will be for HD.

Thanks.:)

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JDGray
July 3, 2006, 08:21 PM
My fullsize CZ75 isn't bad, but the new SP01 is heavier up front. If I had more cash, I'd get me a few more CZ's:D

u084708
July 3, 2006, 08:30 PM
My CZ P-01 is quite good with regard to recoil, perhaps due to the heavier nose/rail. It's a bit better than the CZ 75B. I've also found the Glock 34 easy on recoil.

10-Ring
July 3, 2006, 08:34 PM
As low recoil goes, I have found the USP 9 & new Steyr M A1 as good candidtates

Minator
July 3, 2006, 08:56 PM
beretta 92fs, beretta Px4

Sig 226

para ord.

MIL-DOT
July 3, 2006, 09:08 PM
"recoil and muzzle-flip" happen AFTER the round is heading downrange !! in other words, muzzle-flip ain't why you "couldn't hit a thing". ;) you see where i'm going with this.....
also, the 9mm IS a relatively low recoil round, and generally a light weapon will have more recoil. maybe stay away from the polymer frames and look at some steel framed pistols. my IMI jericho (baby eagle) has a heavy steel frame,and it's a copy of the CZ's that are highly recommended here, i'd consider them.

schmeky
July 3, 2006, 09:50 PM
9's have relatively low recoil. If you are recoil sensitive, I highly recommend a CZ. I have owned nearly all popular 9's through the years and my CZ-75 is the "softest" shooting in my opinion.

Pilot
July 3, 2006, 10:53 PM
The CZ's have a little lower bore axis and less felt recoil. The BHP is another one and for a few more bucks an HK P7.

robertbank
July 3, 2006, 10:59 PM
If you don't reload find a reloader in your area. 4 gr of Unique under 125 gr lead bullet is about as soft as you can get and very accurate as well.

Take Care

Shadan7
July 3, 2006, 10:59 PM
10-ring is right on with the Steyr 9 (either the S or slightly larger M series). Low bore axis and very sweet ergonomics make it very easy to shoot. I use my S9 as the next pistol up from my Ruger Mk II .22 for newbies.


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grimjaw
July 3, 2006, 11:25 PM
If you were firing a Browning Hi-Power with a weak recoil spring and/or +P ammunition, that might have added to the recoil experience.

With 115gr standard pressure ammunition, it's quite tame.

jmm

Mayo
July 3, 2006, 11:31 PM
If you find a 9mm to have too much recoil then you need to go to a SS like SIG P226 ST in 9mm---you won't feel a thing.

jlbraun
July 3, 2006, 11:32 PM
Third on the CZ-75 series. The bore axis on the CZ is about 0.4" lower than my Sig 226, reducing muzzle flip quite a bit.

In reference to the "can't hit a thing", perhaps the OP is referring to rapid fire? Muzzle flip and recoil might contribute to that, perhaps?

BulletFan
July 4, 2006, 12:04 AM
Big, heavy, lot's of stuff moving during the firing cycle. 9mm isn't that bad to begin with, in a heavy gun, it's not noticable.
I can put a whole magezine (17rds) into a chest size target as fast as I can pull the trigger at 10 yards , very easily.
Great gun.

Beretta 92FS would be great too if you got the extra $400.

MPB

Sprout
July 4, 2006, 12:11 AM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I find my CZ-75bd to be very "flippy" when compared to my much smaller and lighter Sig P225. Dunno why, but other people have noticed it too.

daysleeprx
July 4, 2006, 12:13 AM
My CZ SP-01 is very low recoil, however if you decide to go the CZ route (especially since you said this would be an HD gun as well), I recommend replacing the extractor and possibly recoil springs with Wolff springs right away.

browningguy
July 4, 2006, 12:23 AM
Not trying to be mean but I've never heard of anyone who considered a 9mm BHP to have nasty recoil ro muzzle flip. It's considered by many people to be the best 9mm combat pistol ever made, in spite of all the fancy new plastic DAO guns.

You may need to look at your grip, if you have not been shooting centerfire pistols you may be useing a weaker grip than you should be.

Surefire
July 4, 2006, 12:26 AM
9mms are snappy, but easily controlled IMO. If you think a BHP has "nasty" muzzle flip, it may be best to start out with a lower powered cartridge, or a really heavy gun. The BHP, while I don't like it due to the IMO very poor trigger, is one of the milder recoiling 9mms IMO.

You're either going to need to look at a super heavy 9mm (like a Sig 226 ST), or maybe consider a .38 special from a medium frame revolver. IMO, the .38 special is the lowest recoiling cartridge (when fired from a GP 100 or S&W 686, which is also defense capable. I think that snappy rounds tend to feel worse than pushy rounds for newer shooters. The .38 recoil is also not snappy IMO, which makes it more pleasant to shoot IMO.

ugaarguy
July 4, 2006, 12:42 AM
Not trying to be mean but I've never heard of anyone who considered a 9mm BHP to have nasty recoil ro muzzle flip. It's considered by many people to be the best 9mm combat pistol ever made, in spite of all the fancy new plastic DAO guns.

You may need to look at your grip, if you have not been shooting centerfire pistols you may be useing a weaker grip than you should be.

I have to agree with browningguy. I'd strongly consider getting some experienced help to show you several options for grip technique and find one that works for you. Along with grip you need to look at your overall stance and see what can be done there. The BHP is a very soft shooting 9mm and I don't think switching to a slightly heavier SIG or CZ is going to help until you determine if improved grip and stance can fix the problem. Of course, the case may be that the BHP just doesnt fit your hand, but I doubt it would cause problems as bad as you mention. Try that first and let us know how it works out for you.

JohnKSa
July 4, 2006, 12:43 AM
My wife refuses to shoot my Glock 17 because she says the recoil is painful.

Here are the 9mms that she enjoys shooting.

H&K USP fullsize
Beretta PX4
Ruger P95

She rates the recoil with the H&K and PX4 as almost identical but says the P95 definitely recoils less than either of the other two.

o/u mike
July 4, 2006, 12:51 AM
Try a full-size 1911 in 9 mm. It will feel like butter going through the muzzle!

orangeninja
July 4, 2006, 01:03 AM
Springfield XD

Glock 17 or 19.....surprisingly mild for their weight..the 17 is a downright pussycat.

Taurus PT92..........fun to shoot, recoil is almost non-existant.

Beretta 92, same as the Taurus, but the safety is in the wrong place.....no lifetime warranty, etc.

CZ75......A classic in so many ways, you can't go wrong.

CZ P01.........though you MIGHT not like that if you thought the HP was too hot, you might not dig it.

CZ PCR......same as the P01.

CZ75 Compact............all steel but smaller than the 75 so you can carry it, and recoil is almost non-existant.

EAA Witness 9mm full size or compact.

Sig 226.........IF you've got the money.

gc70
July 4, 2006, 01:37 AM
bg226, you could look for a heavier gun to help tame the recoil. A BHP weighs 32 ounces, which is fairly standard for a full-size pistol. You can get the pistol weight up beyond 40 ounces with a 5" 1911 in 9mm or a Sig 226 ST.

Your issue with the BHP is probably a matter of grip. Your grip on a pistol makes a huge difference in perceived recoil and controlability. The firmness of your grip, how and where you grip a gun, the shape of the gun's grip, and the height of the bore axis above your hand all contribute to how the gun feels to you.

Several people have mentioned CZ 75s and Beretta 92s, which are excellent pistols. However, they don't fit MY hand and seem to have more recoil than my compact Sig 239.

Try the BHP again, observing and changing your grip. If it consistently has too much perceived recoil, it may be that the BHP's grip is just not meant for your hand.

Dollar An Hour
July 4, 2006, 02:03 AM
Beretta PX4, Steyr M9-A1, or a 3rd-Gen S&W like a 3913 or 910. These are all soft shooters. :)

Mike_in_OC
July 4, 2006, 02:25 AM
Sig 226.

MAGNUMMAN
July 4, 2006, 02:53 AM
STEYR M1A

marklbucla
July 4, 2006, 03:34 AM
Lowest felt recoil would have to be the 1911 in 9mm because it's the biggest and heaviest gun.

RON in PA
July 4, 2006, 04:08 AM
I'd suggest trying a Ruger P-95, even 9mm +P+ loads which can be snappy are handled well by the Ruger.

bg226
July 4, 2006, 12:18 PM
I tried different ways of gripping. It doesn't help.

Interestingly I don't have a problem with .357 magnum out of a 6" 686.

treebeard
July 4, 2006, 12:36 PM
Steyr MA1 for me.:D :D

gc70
July 4, 2006, 01:15 PM
bg226, it does not sound like you are recoil-shy, which would be the primary reason to go to a heavier gun. Just try other makes until you find one that fits you better than a BHP.

gulogulo1970
July 4, 2006, 01:39 PM
Glock 17C is the first centerfire gun I pull out when I take a new shooter to the range. I've had 5' tall women handle it without complaint. The comp really kills any muzzle flip.

DMK
July 4, 2006, 02:08 PM
Something like a soft rubber Hogue grip might help too on your pistol or whichever one you get. It seems to make shooting my CZ-75B downright comfy.

I have two 9mms. One's a Star B and the other is a CZ75B. The '75 has a big beavertail which allows me to get my hand up close to the bore centerline. That and the weight of it helps make it feel very easy to shoot. I notice the same thing with my CZ40B, which is very tame to shoot for a .40S&W.

Glockman17366
July 4, 2006, 02:16 PM
Try a Glock 17C or 19C. These are compensated 9mm's.

Can't say I've shot the 17C, but I own, shoot and frequently carry a 19C.

The recoil is low, but the noise level is high, due to the gases that escape from the compensation ports.

imphilb
July 5, 2006, 03:46 PM
After a few rounds you won't even notice the recoil...especially with Remington 115gr. ammo.

jman74
July 5, 2006, 09:51 PM
A Ruger P89 or P85 is about as close to a .22lr in recoil you're going to find in a centerfire pistol. This platform was originally designed with the 10mm in mind, so there's plenty of weight. Even the P90 in .45 is cream puff to shoot.

JohnKSa
July 5, 2006, 11:58 PM
This platform was originally designed with the 10mm in mind...I've heard that before, but as much as Bill Ruger over-designed his guns, I don't think he would consider putting a 10mm into a P89 sized pistol. He definitely upscaled the P89 to make the P90 (chambered in .45ACP) and while he boasted that the P90 would handle the 10mm, he made at least one comment during an interview implying that he wasn't much of a fan of the 10mm and never intended to chamber a pistol in that caliber.

Srigs
July 6, 2006, 02:28 AM
A full size stainless steal gun is what you want.

I would recommend a S&W 5906.

Joe45acp
July 6, 2006, 02:33 AM
Springfield 1911 A1 loaded in 9mm. Love mine. It almost feels like Im shooting a 22lr.

Joe

NateG
July 6, 2006, 12:10 PM
Like you, I assume, I very much dislike the way a 9mm recoils. (But I love the .45 and don't mind, even enjoy, the .357 (mag and sig), the .454, etc. ) I can't quite put my finger on what it is, but I haven't shot too many 9mm guns I like. One of them that I really liked was the walther p-38. It definitely isn't very "tactical" but if you get a chance to try one out, you might just like it.

distra
July 6, 2006, 12:15 PM
BG, I too have not heard many muzzle flip issues with a BHP. My XD9 seems to be fine in this area. Still, IMHO, the BHP is probably the finest 9mm ever made.

xenatexas13
July 6, 2006, 08:50 PM
I have found that for me there is quite a big difference in recoil between various 9mmís. Part of the reason for that is that I am a woman with smaller hands. By far the lowest recoil I have found so far is a hard to find and out of production Beretta. Itís a 92 Compact Model L Type M, it is a single stack that was made with small-handed law enforcement in mind. Out of the double stacks Iíve shot my favorite is the CZ 75. I have yet to shoot a 1911 chambered in 9mm but am dying to get my hands on one.

michael_aos
July 6, 2006, 09:05 PM
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/PX9130LLarge.jpg

oweno
July 6, 2006, 09:14 PM
Steyr GB

sigma 40ve
July 6, 2006, 10:02 PM
I own in 9mm---
Walther P1
Arcus 94
SA XD service 9
SA XD sub 9
G34
G19
Star BM
Steyr M9


Arcus 94 has the least felt recoil IMO, probably also the best ergo's also. It's too bad IMO the public didn't realize what a great pistol this is.

Will Fennell
July 6, 2006, 10:07 PM
My STI Trojan full size 1911 is 9mm is a pleasure to shoot.....my GF has basically taken it away from me:uhoh: Even with Doubletap 147 gr +p's....ist a real pussycat.

SAWBONES
July 6, 2006, 10:20 PM
ALL 9mm pistols have low recoil...

yam476
July 7, 2006, 12:13 AM
Para Ordnance P18-9 w/steel or stainless steel frame.

mindwip
July 7, 2006, 06:14 AM
Um do you have the MarkIII Browning in black, if so thats the worst 9mm ever and to help you out i will buy it from you if you want. I am looking to buy one:) for my first pistol, thats mine not my dads



try a glock, for some od reason i love how a glock 17 feels in 9mm, its like a wet dream



ps try holding tighter, also are you sure its not the noise, try wereing the foam ear plugs, with the ear muffs over, this may help you. try it, I know it helped me, i hate indoor ranges, too loud


pss the CZ is based off the BHP

flashman70
July 7, 2006, 03:08 PM
Gotta agree with Sawbones.........:cool:

mdao
July 7, 2006, 03:19 PM
ALL 9mm pistols have low recoil...

I don't know about that, my PM9 has reasonably snappy recoil.

But yeah, the OP's problem sounds like a fit issue and not a recoil issue. I had a fit issue with my BHP, and am much faster/more accurate with my PM9 (14 oz) than with the BHP (32 oz).

carry2011
July 21, 2006, 11:44 AM
Of all the 9mm pistols I have shot, by far the lowest recoil and most-accurate shooting is from the Browning Hi Power. Ergonomics are perfect and, assuming its trigger/action is tuned, is as reliable and 10-ring accurate as anything out there.

I'm a fan of the Browning BDM 9mm as well. It's a 4.75" barrel, so nearly full-size. 15+1 capacity. Extremely slim, so it's possible to use as a concealed-carry weapon, with some reliability tuning or after having shot 20K+ rounds through it (to loosen up everything). Plop in a stainless, full-length guide rod and you have a gun with very little recoil and muzzle flip.

Recently, I picked up a CZ P-01, which is shorter than the HiPower or BDM by an inch, and quite a bit lighter given the forged aluminum frame. Though I've only put 475 rounds through it so far, it has light recoil, little muzzle flip, is very accurate and great ergonomics (for my hand).

If you're looking for cheap practice, the BDM's can be found (used) for well under $300 if you're patient.

VegasDude
July 21, 2006, 12:06 PM
Steyr M series

GeorgiaGlocker
July 21, 2006, 05:27 PM
Glock 26

atblis
July 21, 2006, 05:34 PM
is the softest shooting 9 I've ever shot (I too find the hipower a tad snappy).
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/atblis/sp01.jpg

Dr.Rob
July 21, 2006, 05:59 PM
The BHP has a lightwieght slide compared to many other service sized pistols.

This can make it seem snappy. Try a Ruger p series for A heavier slide or a Sig for a better out of the box grip.

NeveraVictimAgain
July 21, 2006, 06:09 PM
Try a Makarov. The all steel body and slightly less powerful cartridge make it easier to control.

Black Majik
July 21, 2006, 06:11 PM
The lowest recoil 9mm I've ever had the pleasure of shooting was a SIG X5. Recoil? Whats that... :D

Quinch
July 22, 2006, 02:23 AM
Low Recoil 9mm Pistols.


All of them.

That aside, the heavier the gun, the less felt recoil.

medmo
July 22, 2006, 05:24 AM
Big/Heavy: 1911, Beretta 92FS, Steyr GB

Hopefully you can find a gun range that rents a variety of 9mm's to give you a chance to sample a few.

mindwip
July 22, 2006, 05:47 AM
i would like to add another vote for a glock 17, they felt nice, there was recoil but it was well um natural, it was a pleasure to shoot, the recoil felt like how it should. But then i shoot a sig which is heaver and i hated it, the grip was just off, recoil "felt" like it was not natural.

hope your not too confused, hard to explian

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