Best state for gun freedom


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armedpolak
July 6, 2006, 09:32 AM
So I decided to vote with me feet! And am researching a best conservative/gun friendly state to move to. Please advise... I'm a 25-yo software developper in financial district in Manhattan, NYC. I would preferably like to move to a *larger* city. "Shall Issue" is a must for me, like we all here, I firmy believe in the 2nd, and would like to carry concealed without having to explain myself to anyone why I need/believe in self defense. The first state that came to mind was Florida. Bush in the office there. Castle Doctrine passed. And from what I checked, CCW permit is a nobrainer, aka no arrests and no mental institution on the record, right? Is Florida a firmly conservative state?

What about Arizona? New Mexico? Texas ???

The move is not an issue for me. I'm willing to relocate whereever it takes to life free! Please be so kind and give me a sound advice. What states have castle doctrine or simillar laws? How about the ease of CCW? BTW, Vermont and Alaska are I think out of the question:)

Thank you!

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antsi
July 6, 2006, 09:37 AM
Indiana is a great state for gun laws, but as a big-city guy you might be disturbed by the occasional view of a corn field even if you lived in Indianapolis.

Texas is a good state for gun laws, and has several big cities for you to live in. I am not much of a city person, but enjoyed going to a conference in San Antonio. Dallas and Houston are also good sized cities.

LanEvo`
July 6, 2006, 09:39 AM
I would say Miami tops the list. All the fun stuff you enjoy in Manhattan, plus gorgeous beaches, perfect weather...and a rather "relaxed" political climate. Very liberal in terms of CCW, etc.

AirForceShooter
July 6, 2006, 09:41 AM
Florida is a very strange state. The east is liberal and all my friends from Wall Street retire there. The west coast is conserative and getting crowded as hell. The panhandle is pure redneck ( and that's a good thing ) but no really big cities.
Getting a CCW is easy.
LEO's on the east coast are uptight as hell if they find you're carrying. The rest of the state they talk about guns and don't write the ticket.
that's my take and I've been here 3 years.

AFS

Dave P
July 6, 2006, 09:50 AM
Did you search for your answer yet? We have covered this may times in the past.

Byron Quick
July 6, 2006, 09:59 AM
You might want to look at Atlanta, Georgia. Shall issue, NFA's are legal. We don't call it Castle Doctrine but we have a new law that specifically states there is no duty to retreat.

progunner1957
July 6, 2006, 09:59 AM
According to The Brady Campaign(:barf: ) the three states in question received the following grades in regard to gun laws:

Indiana: D
Texas: D-
Florida: F+

Of course for our purposes, F is the most desirable, followed closely by D:D .

I live in Indiana and I have no complaints about our gun laws; carry permits are easily obtainable (as long as you are not a criminal or have been under psychiactric treatment) and the state just changed from a 4 year permit to a lifetime permit.

I bought a new 1911 two weeks ago - walked out of the gun shop with it in 20 minutes. My buddy who lives in Minnesota says it takes two freaking weeks to buy a handgun up there.

If you can stomach wading thru the leftist/socialist garbage, Brady's website is a good place to check out gun laws and the state's letter grade rating at
http://www.stategunlaws.org/

fiVe
July 6, 2006, 10:07 AM
Florida: The further north you go, the more "southern" it becomes.

hso
July 6, 2006, 10:14 AM
I'd say the Brady Campaign has done a service for all of use by providing their "grades" for states and their violation of your rights as a gun owner. Go here http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=AK and check any state. You'll want states with "D" and "F" grades, but pay special attention to the break down of the overall grade so that you can see why the state got it's rating.

This is important because some state's won't let you give your honor student eagle scout a .22 pistol or allow him/her to purchase ammo or a shotgun or rifle for hunting until they're 18 while they regulate where and how you may carry a handgun for defense.

MCgunner
July 6, 2006, 10:23 AM
and the state just changed from a 4 year permit to a lifetime permit.

That'll never happen in Texas. They charge 70 bucks for a renewal. That would mean a loss of revenue. Nope, they're always lookin' for new ways to tax so they can spend. They ain't going to CUT a cash cow.:rolleyes:

Something beyond gun laws in Texas to think about, though, no state income tax. Forget New Mexico, no CCW permits. You can open carry, very few actual laws there, but no legal concealed carry. the place is run by Democrats and that's never a good thing for the second ammendment. We had to get rid of Ma Richards and her veto before we could bet a carry law here and there's no open carry. Texas is very slowly straightening out some of the moronic gun laws that have been around forever, such as the presumption of travel thing, but we ain't the best I wouldn't think, in the nation.

For good research go to http://www.packing.org .

Camp David
July 6, 2006, 10:25 AM
BTW, Vermont and Alaska are I think out of the question
If you want true gun freedom, you can't make them "out of the question" in my opinion... Vermont (and AK) is one of the few states where you can carry a gun (handgun, rifle, or shotgun) literally anywhere and not be hassled (except possibly in the lower towns bordering Massachusetts where liberal flatlanders take offense)... Opening day of deer season in Northern VT is a holiday!!!

Whole Hog
July 6, 2006, 10:54 AM
Forget New Mexico, no CCW permits. You can open carry, very few actual laws there, but no legal concealed carry. the place is run by Democrats and that's never a good thing for the second ammendment.

I have to correct your first sentence, we've had CCW for a couple years now. There are hoops to jump through but it's doable.

Can't correct your last sentence though.

USMC_2674
July 6, 2006, 11:10 AM
Utah is a damn good state for Gunlaws.

You can carry into places that serve alcohol, carry into schools, and most churches.

Only places you can't are courthouses, federal facilities, etc.

Class 3... no problem.

And Salt Lake City is a pretty decent sized city, but still close enough to drive 20 minutes and shoot in the outdoors. Plus, really booming businesswise.

Semper Fidelis,

Kent

MCgunner
July 6, 2006, 11:38 AM
I have to correct your first sentence, we've had CCW for a couple years now. There are hoops to jump through but it's doable.

Good to hear they've pulled their heads out. Now, to get reciprocity with Texas. I travel, on occasion, to Arizona and always am carrying through NM. Figure they gotta catch me. I hunt up there on occasion, too, over in the Guadelupe mountains. I'm sure you and others would like to be able to carry in Texas on trips to El Paso or something, eh? I wish some sort of national reciprocity law were possible.

SuperNaut
July 6, 2006, 11:43 AM
Utah is a damn good state for Gunlaws.

Yep, even lefties have guns out here. You're likely to see a goth pierced kid standing next to a veteran at the gunstore or range; in fact, it's probably gramps and grandson.

Whole Hog
July 6, 2006, 11:57 AM
Here's a list of the state permits New Mexico recognizes, from the DPS Web site:

http://www.dps.nm.org/faq/reciprocity_list05.pdf

Texas is definitely on there.

Danus ex
July 6, 2006, 12:05 PM
My buddy who lives in Minnesota says it takes two freaking weeks to buy a handgun up there.

Not true. If you have the purchase permit, which takes one week to get, you can show up at a gun store, buy a handgun, and walk out in as little time as that takes.

mec
July 6, 2006, 12:21 PM
If you really,really want a big city, texas may be the right place. the entire I 35 corridor is a megalopolis from Dallas./Ft Worth to San Antonio and probably across to Houston. People do complain about the heat and humidity. Some recently arrived believe they may have landed on Venus and some experience quite a bit of culture shock to go with it.

Since George Bush Replaced Anne Richards as Governor, the gun legislation has become very friendly compaired to what it had been for 100 + years before. This could change when/if the leftists take back the state government. They believe that they can do this based on immigration from Mexico though I'm not sure they can trick the Mexicans into voting for them. This year, the republican governor is way ahead in the polls. He has really courted the gun people vote by issueing reciprocal license agreements and unilateral recognition of CHLs from all over the country. A lot of people don't like him because he is de-funding state agencies and they blaime him for the screwed up school system. (All the King's Horses and Men couldn't fix that.)
The state agencies manage to gutter along in their accustomed uselessness even with reduced funds.

Richard Friedman-The Kinkster is running as an independent. He can't fix the schools or the border leakage either but has made uncharacteristic pro gun statements for the press. In his incarnation as Kinky Friedman Private Investigator, He remarks " If somebody shoots me, they're going to have to bring their own gun." He spent some time in NYC handing out at the Lonestar Cafe and Vadam Street.

the democrats seem to be wallowing in their own excretia and can't settle on a viable candidate.

armedpolak
July 6, 2006, 12:26 PM
Is Florida a barely red state, or vastly majorly red state?

How likely is it to change?

steve635
July 6, 2006, 12:27 PM
WOOHOO! Just went to Brady website and found Louisiana with a Solid F. BTW I think New Orleans is actually going to be a great place to live in 5-10 years, excellent place for a younger person to speculate.

Justin R
July 6, 2006, 12:30 PM
there are four blue counties

Alachua, Broward, Miami Dade and Palm Beach


the rest of the state was red and I dont see it changing much

armedpolak
July 6, 2006, 12:34 PM
Are there any further restrictions on guns and CCW in those four blue counties in Florida??? I don't want to step into a liberal poop once I move there :)

Bobo
July 6, 2006, 12:53 PM
Looks like Alaska and Vermont are great for right-to-carry:
http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

ChestyP
July 6, 2006, 12:54 PM
about those blue counties in Florida and other states: they tend to be the karge urban counties and drive politics in the state. Greater Miami, Palm Beach and the Tallahassee area are all royal blue. Recall the 2000 election where Bush only won by a few hundred to a few thousand votes (various counts).

Many states are like that -- one or two major urban areas control the state politically. Illinois, New York, Missouri, California.

One state I haven't seen mentioned is Washington. Except for NFA, WA is still pretty gun friendly, was shall issue from 1961. The Puget Sound has its own microclimate that is actually milder than the NYC area and life is good unless you have to enter the Soviet of Seattle (AKA Sodom on the Sound). Thanks to state preemption, Seattleites live under the same liberal gun laws as the rest of us in free Washington.

And Washington also has among the most liberal of use-of-lethal-force laws in the country. Plus it's the only state in the union where, on a finding of self defense by a jury, the jury goes back into session to determine compensation for cost of defense, lost wages, etc. The most important impact of that law is that it acts as a disincentive to prosecutors to charge an individual, knowing that if the case isn't solid, they're going to pay.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110
Defending against violent crime -- reimbursement

lionking
July 6, 2006, 06:07 PM
hello mvorbrodt and LanEvo.Yes Florida is a friendly firearms state considering.Funny,I live in Miami and currently my house is for sale,2 main reasons being the prices have increased so dramatic in the last few years Im going north of Tampa where Ill be able to buy a house just as nice paid off for what Im going to get for this one,and be a short distance from 2 large cities with a nightlife musically that I like...Also,for me personally Im a rock-metal guitarist and the fact is Miami-Dade is now 95% latin which while I get along and love everybody, I feel out of place culturely and musically.South Florida does have good places to shoot,and the job market is good,although if you dont know spanish that may hinder you.And it all depends on personally what you want out of a city.
Florida is also a tax friendly state,though there are thing like insurance which is rising,my windstorm just jumped $130 a month...
Ive also considered Tennesse and Nevada,which are also friendly gun and tax states though housing prices have skyrocketed in Nevada

lionking
July 6, 2006, 06:25 PM
"quote"Are there any further restrictions on guns and CCW in those four blue counties in Florida??? I don't want to step into a liberal poop once I move there

not really,if you dont have a concealed carry you have to wait 5 days to claim a purchase but other than that there are no particular bans or restrictions.Its true that politically Broward and Palm are liberal,and some of Dade but it really shoud'nt have an effect on your lifestyle...if I were to stay in the Southeast Id pick Broward above them all.

Buzztail
July 6, 2006, 06:25 PM
You might as well move to one of the larger cities in Florida. Everyone else seems to help themselves to my watersupply :neener: Atlanta would be my second choice

Born and raised Florida Cracker right here:D

lionking
July 6, 2006, 06:34 PM
lol! buzztail,one thing I might be worried about is sinkholes..just how common of a problem is that towards the central-upper part of the state?Done a little research and I see that sinkhole insurance is a seperate policy?

Dumper
July 6, 2006, 06:44 PM
WHAT EVER YOU DO DONT MOVE TO CALIFORNIA!!!!!

vynx
July 6, 2006, 07:24 PM
NO no no

EVERYBODY move to California and we'll take it over!

Move here about 100 days before the election in November. Or, whatever it takes to be able to vote in the election.

We'll vote Arnold back in as Governator and then start volting out the liberal ********** democrats (extra PC liberal and not to be confused with democrats in the rest of the USA). Starting with two un-named senators.

We need the help - escp. since there is a rumor that Fienstein may be retiring. Think what could happen if we get a pro-gun senator in Cal.

Remember, we have the best weather in the country!

Marshall
July 6, 2006, 07:32 PM
OK is not bad, we got a D-, pretty good! :D

We even got a demerit.

"First state in nation to pass a law to force businesses to allow guns in the workplace via cars in company parking lots."

:p

MCgunner
July 6, 2006, 07:55 PM
Here's a list of the state permits New Mexico recognizes, from the DPS Web site:

http://www.dps.nm.org/faq/reciprocity_list05.pdf

Texas is definitely on there.

Well, lordy, that's news! I won't have to be paranoid in NM anymore. :D

bigun15
July 6, 2006, 08:17 PM
We need the help - escp. since there is a rumor that Fienstein may be retiring.

There's a chance she could be retiring??? I didn't know that. Today just got a lot better.

Lone_Gunman
July 6, 2006, 08:28 PM
A few people have recommended Atlanta, but I would not.

The Georgia Firearm License is actually very limited. There are a lot of places where you cannot legally carry a gun, including places that serve alcohol (including restaurants), Churches, public buildings, sporting events, and anything else that is considered a "public gathering".

Atlanta also suffers greatly from urban sprawl. Hour or longer commutes are common. Housing costs are higher than most other cities in the south. Malls and other public places are swamped with Democrats. There are just better big cities in which to live.

Florida has some good choices... But I would not go further south in Florida than Orlando.

Cosmoline
July 6, 2006, 08:28 PM
The move is not an issue for me. I'm willing to relocate whereever it takes to life free! Please be so kind and give me a sound advice. What states have castle doctrine or simillar laws? How about the ease of CCW? BTW, Vermont and Alaska are I think out of the question


No fish for you, then!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/fish2.jpg

Limeyfellow
July 7, 2006, 02:08 AM
Vote Schwarzanegger back into power? Are you serious? He supports the AWB and a whole bunch of gun control. After Reagon screwed up the state with his guns are bad approach I thought people would learn.

Alaska is of course the place to go for gun rights. Anchorage is really nice for them, but you got to cope with the cold but summers are nice indeed. Vermont is fairly nice as are some of the other out of the way states.

I did like Florida introducing a law prohibit the governor from ordering the seizure of firearms during a state of emergency or natural disaster. Not like he will obey it though, and has made his views quite clear when he said keeping weapons during an emergency when police say its unsafe that its lunacy and should have their firearms taken away. Bush always seemed to me to be more concerned with US firearms manufacturers making money and of course his shares in such companies and getting enough votes to be re-elected. His brother is even worse and annoyed me with that ban on the import of military rifles and recievers.

Ferrari308
July 7, 2006, 02:14 AM
Illinois got an A-. Nobody can own a gun or possess a gun without a FOID card. And cities can ban guns like Chicago did.

It sucks! Lawfull citizens are not the problem, it is the criminals who are the problem. What good will banning guns from lawful citizens do? The criminals will still have guns.

the 22 junkie
July 7, 2006, 02:24 AM
Reagan was anti?:confused: :confused:

MCgunner
July 7, 2006, 09:36 AM
Fish? I've got fish in the bay about a hundred yards from my front door.:D Got two boat ramps less than a mile either direction. Fish ain't a problem in Texas, though our flat fish are flounders. We have bigger other stuff, though.

halvey
July 7, 2006, 09:41 AM
I bought a new 1911 two weeks ago - walked out of the gun shop with it in 20 minutes. My buddy who lives in Minnesota says it takes two freaking weeks to buy a handgun up there.:uhoh: Tell him it helps if he's not a felon and quits beating his wife. That should make the process a lot easier. :eek:

Gotta love the misinformation age.

Ryder
July 7, 2006, 09:47 AM
I've lived in many states. No problems excercising my freedom. I'd say the best state is "state of mind".

cbsbyte
July 7, 2006, 02:17 PM
I would look into these states that have large cities and liberal gun laws.

As mentioned:

Texas
Central or Northern Flordia.
Georgia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virgina
Penn
Washington
Oregon
Colorado
Arizona.

Cosmoline
July 7, 2006, 02:28 PM
Fish? I've got fish in the bay about a hundred yards from my front door. Got two boat ramps less than a mile either direction. Fish ain't a problem in Texas, though our flat fish are flounders. We have bigger other stuff, though.

Can I just say "HA!"

Thank you

Everyone I've met from a lower 48 "fishing state" from the Gulf to the Mid-West has been BLOWN AWAY by this place. PWS is so choked with fish they're attacking your line down and back. I've even had giant starfish attack my line. The rivers have one salmon run after another plus fantastic cold water trout. The lakes are full of fish, and none of them are soft or mushy like lower 48 lake fish.

In about two hours of fishing we brought it Halibut with a retail value of about $1,700 dollars. If we'd gone out a week later we could have added another thousand dollars worth of silvers and ling cod. Bass, catfish and flounders? HA!

KIDGLOCK
July 7, 2006, 02:34 PM
Dont come to Wyoming, to hot in the summer , to muddy in the fall , to cold in the winter . We only have 3 seasons here , hot , mud , cold .

We got a straight ass F from the brady boobs !!!

http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=WY

C-grunt
July 7, 2006, 02:49 PM
Check out Az. Phoenix is a pretty big city and is gun friendly for the most part. We got a D from the Brady guys. Az is a great state to live in. It might be hot in the summer ( in the desert areas ) but I will take hot weather for a few months over high humidity, earthquakes, hurricannes, tornados, and blizzards, any day of the week.

KINGMAX
July 7, 2006, 03:01 PM
How about a vote for North Carolina

P0832177
July 7, 2006, 03:07 PM
progrunner1957 I bought a new 1911 two weeks ago - walked out of the gun shop with it in 20 minutes. My buddy who lives in Minnesota says it takes two freaking weeks to buy a handgun up there.


Well your friend in MN must be ill informed. Yeah you have to have permit to purchase, which usually takes few days to get or a CWP holder to buy handguns and EBR's. But, common he is pulling your leg!
God do not you love how the internet is such reliable source of disinformation!

.45&TKD
July 7, 2006, 08:35 PM
Phoenix metropolitan area, Arizona.

Great laws, great economy, and plenty of open space nearby.

stevelyn
July 7, 2006, 09:16 PM
The answer to the original question..................





































































ALASKA!





I live right on a cove on the Pacific side of the AK Pen. Litterally out my from door I have access to 4 species of Pacific salmon, halibut, grey cod, butter clams the size of your fist, and dungeness crab up around the point.

I can also hit up a few of the local commercial fishermen for targeted species or by-catch if I'm lazy.

But you won't like it up here. It's too cold, dark and isolated. I think you should stay where you're at.:D

Cosmoline
July 8, 2006, 04:38 AM
Yeah, it's nasty here. You really would hate it :D

Lew
July 8, 2006, 04:51 AM
Yeah, don't come to Wyoming. We only take real men, not you city folk.

OldSchooler
July 8, 2006, 09:26 AM
Consider South Carolina. We have a D+ on the Brady list, probably going down when the updates come out - SC has repealed the one handgun a month ruling, according to my dealer, as told to me yesterday. He told me he could sell you as many as you wanted and you could walk today.
You can also carry legal in your glove box, and a CCW is available statewide with recip in NC. Only bummer is NO open carry.

When it comes to hunting, just about anything goes. Rifles, slugs, shot, handguns, bow and BP - we have probaly the longest hunting season in the US: 15 Aug - 31 Dec. And this does NOT include the pre season and post season primitive hunts. The state also ranks consistently in the top 10 for deer strike insurance claims on automobiles.
And lets nor forget turkeys, quail, doves, small game, a liberal trapping allowance, coyotes, to name a few.

We even sell class C fireworks!

Final firearm benefit for you? More an more Damn Yankees* are moving here all the time, so you'd even have some company! Downside of this is no self respecting Southerner will talk to you.

* A yankee is one who comes to visit. a Damn Yankee = a Yankee who comes to stay.

jon_in_wv
July 8, 2006, 09:30 AM
Most states now have shall issue carry laws and many are more liberal about allowing firearms purchases and carry. The bigger issue is which states have stand your ground laws, and right to defense laws. SOme states issue permits but if you ever had to show or use your gun you will count on being arrested and charged and forced into court ot clear yourself. Florida I believe shines in this aspect.
California is a good example of a state that would force you to retreat from your own home if threatened rather than use force to protect yourself. You can only use force if you are trapped and unable to escape and give your home to the intruder while YOU retreat into the night. Thats why I moved out of that Commie state.

ZDavidoff
July 8, 2006, 09:50 AM
Well I sure am glad to see so many states with D's and F's from the brady bunch. I'm from Illinois so that wasn't too friendly (still have a FOID) and now I'm stationed in the PRC in one of the "you can't get a CCW without a sizeable donation to my re-election campaign" counties. It makes me happy to think that one day I will live in a place that actually allows me to defend myself. anyway, good luck with the move.

A1C ZDavidoff

1911_CQB
July 9, 2006, 01:07 AM
Washington, aint that bad. Considering how bad it could be (re: CA)

American By Blood
July 9, 2006, 01:18 AM
What's the likelihood of you going freelance as a programmer and doing the bulk of your work from a remote location? If you can swing that kind of situation then Alaska and Vermont are ideal. Incredibly free political environments, gorgeous scenery, and all the cold you could ever want (that's actually a plus for some of us).

If you really do need a large city then I'd have to recommend Phoenix. I've lived there and hate the heat and sprawl, but its gun culture is alive and well. Open carry without a permit, shall issue CCW, class III friendly, gunshops galore, etc. My major reservations about Phoenix all stem from my "paranoia." If there's any disruption at all to Phoenix's supply chain you can look forward to dying from dehydration relatively quickly. Or if America balkanizes along racial lines expect to be el lyncho'd.

commygun
July 9, 2006, 11:53 PM
I've found Washington (with an "R") to be a very good state as a gun owner. I know very few people who don't own firearms. In fact, except for some upper-middle class liberals in Olympia, I think everyone Iknow owns some kind of firearm

History Prof
July 10, 2006, 02:47 AM
Phoenix metropolitan area, Arizona.

Great laws, great economy, and plenty of open space nearby.

Agreed on the laws and economy, but when I lived there, they kept closing off the good shooting places so you had to drive further and further out, or stick with the ranges. Not a problem if you don't mind driving out or paying range fees, but I was a poor starving grad student at the time. Now that I live in rural AZ, I live close enough to the shooting range that I hear the folks out there on Saturdays. I love it! You might want to check out Tucson. It's a bit more Democrat than Phoenix. All the more reason to get Republicans and Libertarians to move there...

Gun_nut
July 10, 2006, 08:17 PM
oregons not bad according to the brady campaign the concealed weapon part oregon got a F yay... but overall oregon has a c because of the child gun laws are rated as A's ...portland has that new computer guy i saw on CNN once.. gun laws are not tight...here is some resasons oregon has a c- according to the brady campaign..its from juvenielle possen/sale bother get a's http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=OR
hope it helps you in you soul search

outlawgunslnger
July 10, 2006, 08:35 PM
Dave P
Did you search for your answer yet? We have covered this may times in the past

I know I don't post here much, but I do like to come and look around. Have noticed that whenever a new member poses a question, invariably someone has a complaint(seems that way to me anyhow) about how a search should have been done because that topic has been done before or stop beating a dead horse or something similar. Thought this was a place for people to get together and talk about one of our favorite things..shooting and everything that goes along with it. Some new folks might want a fresh opinion or maybe they just think opinions have changed. My opinion is that I'm gonna find a different forum. Thanks to folks for good advice and interesting reading.
Adios

rangerruck
July 10, 2006, 08:56 PM
ariz , n mexico-maybe good for guns but are liveral states.(purposely spelled)
texas is good all the way around, but illegals are going to make it worse. Vermont and N. H. are very good gun states, but they are as liberal as you can get. Pick your poison. Florida is solidly conservative, but them Dem party controls the beaurocratic levers in that state.

doubleclaw
July 10, 2006, 09:25 PM
No one has mentioned Mississippi yet, so I'll put in a plug for my home state. The Brady bunch hates us with an unholy passion, and we're about as far from liberal as you can get. We even managed to scare off the Right Reverend Fred Phelps and his slovenly gaggle of toothless harpies when they threatened to picket a funeral in Laurel. Evidently word reached him that the residents of The Free State of Jones(AKA Jones County, MS) were not amicable to his teachings, and that they had a surprise or two waiting for him and his esteemed flock. I went to their website, and their no-show was very weakly attributed to "missing their flight" or some such nonsense. Troublemakers who come to rural Mississippi stand a very good chance of getting their feelings hurt, if you catch my drift...
Any place that can keep such worthless vermin at bay is my kind of place to live, y'know?

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