Indiana Lifetime Permit


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Nick1911
July 6, 2006, 11:37 AM
So Indiana has now introduced a lifetime CCW permit, right?

My question is, even though my permit doesn't expire for a year or two, can I apply for a lifetime permit now? Does anyone have a link about the process, or the rules and regs?

Thanks!

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kludge
July 6, 2006, 02:09 PM
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2006/ES/ES0054.2.html

ServiceSoon
July 6, 2006, 02:43 PM
It looks like you can "upgrade" to a lifetime permit at any time. It is $100 to do so in Elkhart. Sweet! From the looks of the bill there wasnt any items added to decrease our rights. Usually you have to take the good with the bad. I cant think of the terminology; when a law is added to a bill that gets approved that wouldnt of been able to get approved on its own....

cordex
July 6, 2006, 02:54 PM
From the looks of the bill there wasnt any items added to decrease our rights.
The "poison pill" was the fact that your dealer's 4473s are to be copied and sent to ISP every month. No one is quite sure how that will play out.
It looks like you can "upgrade" to a lifetime permit at any time.
I'm not sure. A friend of mine just went into Danville and tried to get his lifetime license. They told him he'd have to wait until his existing permit was within six months of expiring.

Has anyone here tried to get theirs yet?

Kcustom45
July 6, 2006, 03:55 PM
I am Cordex's friend and it is true when I went to get my permit today I was told that my current permit has to be within 6 moths of expiring before I can get a lifetime license.

I am just going to paste a write up I did for another website (www.BenSwenson.com)

I got off work early today and thought I would go get my lifetime permit today. I was wrong.

For those of you who currently have permits you have to wait until six months before your current permit expires before you can get a lifetime license. Since mine does not expire until July of 2009 I have a bit of a wait.

For those of you that do not have a permit you will need a $75 MONEY ORDER made payable to the State of Indiana and $52 in cash (Exact denomination) for the sheriff fee and notary fee.

For those you that do have a permit that will expire in 6 months of if it is getting close you will need a $60 MONEY ORDER made payable to the State of Indiana and $42 in cash (Exact denomination) for the sheriff fee and notary fee.

I hope this helps so that some of you will not have to waste your time going down to the courthouse only to have them tell you that you do not yet qualify.

exar
July 6, 2006, 03:59 PM
I hope this helps so that some of you will not have to waste your time going down to the courthouse only to have them tell you that you do not yet qualify.
Actually, I was going to go down on break today. Thanks for the heads up!:D

Nick1911
July 6, 2006, 04:15 PM
Bah, I have to wait until early 2008 in that case.

At least they enacted the legislation. I hope it's still an option in 2008.

-Nick

DF357
July 6, 2006, 04:24 PM
Mass. had a 'lifetime' permit back in the 60's.

My 'lifetime' permit died after about 20 years when they changed it's lifetime to 3 years. Then a few years later the lifetime became 5 years.

You lifetime permit depends on 2 things:

1) how long you live
2) how long before they decide they're losing money by not issuing you a new one every couple of years.

jfnemeth
July 6, 2006, 04:49 PM
I have emailed the IN AG in regards to applying for the Lifetime license prior to the 180 day renewal period. Since I just renewed my LTCH I'll be sort of dissapointed if I can't upgrade for another 3.5 years.

The code does say:

SECTION 4. IC 35-47-2-6 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2006]: Sec. 6. (a) Every initial application for any license under this chapter shall be granted or rejected within sixty (60) days after the application is filed.
(b) The period during which an application for the renewal of an existing license may be filed begins one hundred eighty (180) days before the expiration of the existing license. If the application for renewal of an existing license is filed within thirty (30) days of its expiration, the existing license is automatically extended until the application for renewal is passed upon.

Emphasis added.

My contention is that since I am effectively applying for a license of a different type (longer term, larger cost) it is not a "renewal" but a fresh application.

We'll see if the AG responds.

jfnemeth
July 6, 2006, 05:04 PM
Re-reading the code again I notice it says "Every initial application for any license"

To me that means that there is more than one type of license so every first time application for a lifetime license would be an "intial application" even if one already had a different type of license like a 4yr LTCH.

'Course I'm probably reading it all wrong......:confused:

ServiceSoon
July 6, 2006, 05:37 PM
Synopsis: "Provides that the period during which an application for the renewal of a handgun license may be filed begins 180 days before the license expires, and specifies that an application for a lifetime handgun license may be filed at any time."

Am I only reading the part I want to? :neener:

cordex
July 6, 2006, 06:01 PM
I just called Hendricks County Sheriff's Department and they said they were acting under direction from the Indiana State Police.

I'm contacting them now.

cordex
July 7, 2006, 09:42 AM
Here is the email I sent:
A friend of mine went to the Hendricks County Sheriff's Department today to apply for a lifetime handgun carry permit. They wouldn't accept his application and told him that he had to wait until his permit was within six months of expiring.

I called the department and they told me that they were working on instructions from the Indiana State Police.

SENATE BILL No. 54 can be found here:
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2006/ES/ES0054.2.html

It would appear that effective July 1, 2006, IC 35-47-2-6 has been modified to read as follows:

**************
6. (a) Every initial application for any license under this chapter shall be granted or rejected within sixty (60) days after the application is filed.
(b) The period during which an application for the renewal of an existing license may be filed begins one hundred eighty (180) days before the expiration of the existing license. If the application for renewal of an existing license is filed within thirty (30) days of its expiration, the existing license is automatically extended until the application for renewal is passed upon. An application for a lifetime license may be filed at any time.
**************

If that is accurate, shouldn't applications for lifetime licenses be accepted at any time, not just within six months of expiration?

Thank you,
Ben
Here is the reply I received:
From: Shelton, Doug (********@isp.state.in.us)
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:31 AM
To: ***@benswenson.com
Subject: RE: Lifetime Handgun Carry Permit Question

Mr. Swenson,

Senate bill 54 is not the bill that passed through the Legislature. It was actually HB 1176. The language in 1176 is 180 days prior to the expiration of your current license. The Hendricks County Sheriff's Department provided correct information.

Captain Douglas E. Shelton
Indiana State Police
Records Division
Acting Commander
IGCN Rm.304
Indianapolis, IN 46204

Looks like we've got to wait until 6 months prior to our expiration.

*sigh*

zoom6zoom
July 7, 2006, 02:31 PM
Virginia goes lifetime July 1, 2007!

exar
July 7, 2006, 02:42 PM
Congrats, VA:cool:

Jspy
July 8, 2006, 09:20 AM
I picked up my forms on Monday, and just have to fill them out, notarized, etc. and I will be on my way. My current permit expires next month. Definately a good deal as opposed to renewing every few years. There was a big write-up on the front page of the Indy Star this week about this, and of course the nay-sayers think its an outrage.:barf:

Wild Deuce
January 8, 2008, 12:34 AM
Do not mean to hijack the thread but it seems to fit in with my question so I will post here instead of starting a new thread. I've already tried on another thread but no replies yet so I'm resurrecting this one.

What is the current waiting period for the new Lifetime LCH (or even a standard four year license)? I've read at the ISP website that it could be as long as 12 weeks but I'm hearing rumors that it is now longer.

Mark whiz
January 8, 2008, 12:52 AM
I got my permit this past year - It took about 5 months from when I handed them the info forms until it arrived in the mail. I went and talked to the city Police Chief after about 3 months and he said they were inundated with requests right after the law took affect and they were just running months behind at the State level.

loki.fish
January 8, 2008, 04:19 AM
Some resurrection.

My first 4 year permit took maybe 2 months. When I renewed for the lifetime permit it took 4-5 months. The Sherrif's deparment said that since the lifetimes have come out it's causing longer than normal wait times as the ISP is trying to keep up with all the applications.

kludge
January 8, 2008, 10:20 AM
Do not mean to hijack the thread but it seems to fit in with my question so I will post here instead of starting a new thread. I've already tried on another thread but no replies yet so I'm resurrecting this one.


Two hours isn't fast enough for ya?

:)

Wild Deuce
January 8, 2008, 04:36 PM
I was hoping to get my permit withing those two hours. :D

I checked before posting here and the other post was on the verge of going to the second page. The title of this one was also closer to what I wanted since it was what I applied for ... Lifetime.

mp510
January 8, 2008, 09:18 PM
Virginia goes lifetime July 1, 2007!
Will that option be available for non-residents as well?

ServiceSoon
January 10, 2008, 02:47 PM
Sherrif's deparment said that since the lifetimes have come out it's causing longer than normal wait times as the ISP is trying to keep up with all the applications.That makes no sense. It's not like people are rushing to obtain new permits because they are lifetime and if you currently have a permit you have to wait 6 months until its expiration before filing for a new one. There is another reason it takes longer than before.

Greg.B
January 13, 2008, 01:00 AM
I mailed off my paperwork on 11/15/07 and received my LTCH (lifetime) in the mail on 12/31/07. Pretty much in line with the time frame I was told when I started the process.

Owen
January 13, 2008, 01:34 AM
What are teh requirements to get a permit in IN?

kludge
January 13, 2008, 01:54 AM
Basically, be a resident and not a felon or adjudicated mentally deficient, fill out the form, get printed, pay the fee.

Your local police office (or sheriff if you don't have a municipality) can walk you through it. You may want to call ahead, they are usually very specific about how they get their money. If you are Marion County they are even more specific.

Because of relatively low cost there's really no reason not to get the lifetime permit.

Hudson
January 13, 2008, 09:27 AM
I just recently received my lifetime permit. The woman at the police station who did the paperwork and printing said ISP was telling them in November processing was taking 8-10 weeks. That was accurate.

I was pretty surprised at how crude the permits are. I was licensed in Florida and their permits were similar to drivers licenses and could be used as a second form of picture ID.

El Tejon
January 13, 2008, 12:05 PM
The license should to be much larger and have a box for your thumb print.

I like my crude license as it keeps overhead down.:)

Wild Deuce
January 13, 2008, 11:11 PM
Greg B, you've given me hope.

Wild Deuce
February 12, 2008, 07:19 PM
It seems that the wait is getting shorter. Applied on 1/4/2008, new one issued on 2/8 and got it back today in the mail.

printcraft
February 23, 2008, 07:04 PM
Hopefully, I will have mine soon, wife and I applied for the lifetime as well. I previously had the 4 year. Applied on Jan 25 by all accounts we should have them by the first or second week of March. I know they are still on the cheap-o 20# pink paper, I've laminated quite a few for people around here. I will be making a dozen or so copies of each, scan them into the computer as well. I'll have laminated cards in every conceivable location I might be in so I'm never "caught without one". No, I don't think there should even be a permit required on a constitutionally guaranteed right but I will follow the current law.

shdwfx
February 23, 2008, 07:49 PM
What are teh requirements to get a permit in IN

Indiana is a shall-issue state and has very limited requirements for a CCW license. I believe you apply to the chief law enforcement official in your area, pay a fee ($30 for 4 years unlimited, $75 for lifetime unlimited), a background check is done, and that's it. There are no training pre-requisites.

You must have a license for open carry too.

Paulus
February 24, 2008, 12:50 AM
I don't think I'm thread hijacking here but...

If I were to move from Indiana, would the license still be valid?

Or is it only good if you are an Indiana resident?

Paulus

jhoff8487
February 24, 2008, 01:53 AM
Paulus...I've been wondering the same exact thing. I'm currently in college still and I've got a lifetime Indiana permit but have thought about the possibility of my job being out of state after graduation. If anyone knows the answer to what they do, I'd love to know.

And as far as renewing your 4-year license to a lifetime...you must wait until you're in the renewal period. A buddy of mine's dad got the 4-year, they released the lifetime so he decided to get it while he still could, went down, submitted everything again as a renewal, they took his money and all. He got a letter(may have been a call) about 6 weeks later saying his renewal had been rejected because he wasn't in his renewal period yet. Lost half of the money too...boy, he was ticked.

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