Looking for a modern BP pistol...


July 7, 2006, 06:16 AM
I prefer modern stuff to shoot with and the only things I've found so far is the
Ruger Old Army
FA mini revolver
NAA mini revolver
T/C 209x50
Ardesa buckhunter in-line

Have I missed anything out, are there any little gems awaiting my discovery:)

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July 7, 2006, 07:20 AM
The Ardessa seems to be the same as the Traditions Buckhunter.
Two guns to keep a look out for would be the TC Patriot and the TC Scout, but neither are made anymore.

July 7, 2006, 09:03 AM
Ardesa make them for Traditions:)

July 7, 2006, 09:28 PM
Deer Creek Products catalog (765-525-6181) lists a Traditions Prospector model that's shaped like a regular cap & ball revolver except it is single shot, with an 8.5 inch octagon barrel, .44 caliber, 1 in 22 inch twist, brass backstrap and trigger guard, hammer notch & blade front sight, $149. This model isn't listed on the Traditions site and may be a discontinued model.

Gonic Arms Barrel on a TC Contender, can be outfitted with pistol grip:



There may be at least one other inline high powered hunting pistol, but the manufacturer and model name eludes me right now.

July 8, 2006, 07:59 AM
It's a shame bond arms don't do BP barrels for their derringers.:evil: they would be fun.

July 9, 2006, 01:49 AM
Why would you even consider BP if you prefer "modern stuff" to shoot?

If you don't want to get your hands dirty cleaning, is one reason. If you don't want to get your hands dirty while shooting, is another reason.

If you just don't want all that fuss, is an even bigger reason. I am not trying to drive you away, but if "Old Fashioned BP" is not for you, perhaps you should stick with cartridge guns. I probably COULD guarantee you that DID you try it, you would be hooked.

What the hell, it costs ahell of a lot less to TRY BP than to buy ANY cartridge gun, at least those not made of potmetal, like a Raven or some such.

Give it a go, you just might like it.



July 9, 2006, 02:09 AM
The Patriot, I believe made in England is about as modern as you can get.


July 10, 2006, 12:02 PM
Why would you even consider BP if you prefer "modern stuff" to shoot?

1. You probably didn't notice, but I'm in the UK, they've effectivly banned 'normal' handguns here. BP/muzzle loading is pretty much all we got left.

2. the local ranges to me don't allow BP.

The Patriot, I believe made in England is about as modern as you can get.

And yours for only $1841 + shipping:eek:

PS. Its designed in the UK but made somewhere in the Easten Bloc.

July 11, 2006, 12:45 AM
For $1841 + shipping I can wait for you to send it to me for Christmas, you can pick the year...LoL!
Thanks anyway...

Do you want a Uberti 1873BP dated stamp BS, 2002 with loader? Like new condition Selling price $290 you pay shipping to the UK and will sharpen my pencil a little.
Can I ship to the UK?

July 11, 2006, 12:55 AM
Tha BOSS ships there. Ya MIGHT wanna send it as parts in two-three parcels.

July 11, 2006, 04:59 AM
Ruger Old Army is the most popular here in the UK. You'll have trouble finding any other muzzle loading pistol of modern design. It's a fine pistol, and much cheaper than anything else you'll find. Your other choices are either mini-revolvers (not much good for competition) or single-shot (no fun! :p ), but the Old Army is a revolver so you've got 6 shots. If you can get it, I'd reccomend the smaller 5 1/2" version.

If you want to send a firearm to the UK you need to send it via a registered firearms importer such as Litt's.

July 11, 2006, 10:21 AM
If you want to send a firearm to the UK you need to send it via a registered firearms importer such as Litt's.

Or you can have it posted straight to your front door and then explain to the police how you got it.... like I did;)
I already had the slot so they didn't really question it, they weren't very happy, but they didn't question it.

I am hoping to get my ROA soon with a nitro cylinder as well.
What my plan is, is to get one in SS with adjustable sights, have the barrel cut back to 5 1/2" and get the loading lever for a 5 1/2" model installed and relocate the front sight.:)
add a set of houge grips and it should be quite a tidy little package.

July 11, 2006, 10:31 AM
Yup! Easier ta be forgiven then ta get permission mosta tha time!

July 11, 2006, 11:11 AM
Lmao, you rebel :p

I'm desperate for the 5 1/2" model, I tried it out in the States and it's much nicer than the 7" (and if you squint and ignore the smell, it's a Colt SAA :p), but I can't find anyone who stocks it here in the UK. I'll probably have to get it specially imported which is gonna cost loads (I can't be bothered messing about with saws and parts).

July 11, 2006, 11:19 AM
They don't make a 5 1/2" with adjustable sight anywhere, any you've seen in the states have been custom jobs.

Normal fixed sight 5 1/2" are available here no problem.

July 11, 2006, 11:56 AM
Oh well, I'll just get the standard model. Cheers.

Howdy Doody
July 12, 2006, 04:33 AM
I can see where Ruger Old Armies would be a great choice in a modern handgun. I am a bit prejudiced about ROAs, since I like them enough that I have 3 pairs of them. I keep my 5 1/2 stainless ones outfitted all the time with Kirst nickle plated converters. They shoot a 200gr boolit with BP in 45lc just great. They are certainly stout enough to shoot smokeless powder too. For accuracy, it is hard to beat the 7 1/2" versions. Mine do a great job even though they have the fixed sights.
I vote for ROAs, but a question to satisfy my curiousity. In the UK can you have converters? Wouldn't that be about the same as a regular hand gun like say a S&W or the like?

July 12, 2006, 05:15 AM
No you can't. Pistols are pretty much outlawed. The main exception is muzzle loaders. The other main exception is pistols made before 1919. So you could have a Remington Pocket Navy made in 1862, that was converted to shoot cartridges in 1873, but ROAs are post-1919. Converting a muzzle loading pistol to shoot cartridges is illegal for pretty much everyone.

July 12, 2006, 10:17 PM
I too love the Ruger OA. Wonderful cap and ball revolver. If you are interested in a muzzleloading handgun that has interchangeable barrels, you may want to contact this person.

Kahnke Gun Works
206 W 11th St
Redwood Falls MN 56283

He makes the M82 pistol which can be had in 32,45,50 and 54 caliber. The barrels are 10, 12 and 14 inch. I did have him make me a 16" .20 guage smoothbore barrel for mine, so he can do custom work.

July 13, 2006, 02:40 AM
Thanks bigbore442001, I believe that's the one I couldn't recall the name of.

July 13, 2006, 08:27 AM
Gordon Kahnke used to have a website but it is no longer functioning. I called him up and he is still hard at work making his handguns and rifles. I am thinking about getting another barrel for my gun in the future.

July 24, 2006, 09:10 PM
I am fortunate enough to live in an area where we can have cartridge handguns up to .50 caliber. Even so I enjoy the black powder guns both modern and authentic. Below are some examples of some Ruger Old Army revolvers(stock and full custom) as well as the Kahnke single shot.

Kahnke .50 Caliber Single Shot with brushed stainless steel finish.

Brace of 5.5" barreled fix sight Old Army revolvers.

Brace of 7.5" barreled adjustable site Old Army revolvers with extra tall front sight for using conicals as well as round balls.

Full Custom 5 shot .50 caliber Old Army by Clements Custom Guns

You have probably seen the custom Clements Old Army before. If not there is some information at the links below.



It is hard to go wrong with the Ruger Old Army. If I were to only have one of the stock models it would be the stainless 5.5 " fixed sight model. They come with plenty of front sight to cut in and refinish for round balls and both of mine came with just about perfect windage from the factory. This model is just plain FUN to shoot.

Best wishes with whatever you choose,

August 10, 2006, 11:12 PM

How does your 16" 20 ga. reconsile with federal ban on short barreled shotguns? I'm only asking because I recently picked up a model 82 and was thinking of asking kahnke to make me a 16" .50 cal barrel but a scattergun sounds alot more fun.

4v50 Gary
August 10, 2006, 11:42 PM
The Patriot is $1841?!! :eek: You can buy quite a # of Ruger Old Armies for that kind of money.

August 11, 2006, 12:03 AM
parmamoon - muzzleloaders are exempt (mostly) from the 1934NFA. State laws may vary.

August 11, 2006, 04:47 AM
Gary, if you're talking about the T/C Patriot, they don't run that high. I just picked one up at the local gunshow for $200. I see them occasionally on the gun auction sites in the $300 range. Good gun, worth the money. I wish they'd start making them again.

August 11, 2006, 06:58 PM
I have a beauty in 45 cal. Shot very few times, beautifull wood with nice Grain, 350.00 or trade up or down. huli35rem@yahoo.com:)

August 12, 2006, 12:44 PM

Because the gun is a muzzleloader, there is no problem with the short smoothbore barrel.

I played with that barrel a bit but there always seemed to be things that came up so I have yet to take any game with it. Maybe this fall I will be able to shoot some squirrels and make a better evaluation.

August 13, 2006, 08:16 PM
..if you have not bought you one e-mail me at tc45caliber@yahoo.com
i will show you some pic,s of a nice t/c scout 50,cal 4 sell
thanks.or trade

Ray P
August 13, 2006, 10:03 PM
What about the H&A-style underhammers? (http://muzzleloader.biz/bootpistolcanoegun.htm) Do those show up very often in the UK? The detachable shoulder stock is a cute touch, too.

August 14, 2006, 06:29 AM
Thanks for the all tips guys,

Full Custom 5 shot .50 caliber Old Army by Clements Custom Guns

Have seen them before and they are firmly on my wish list:D

But one with a BFR style cylinder, now thats what I'm talking about....

Gordon Kahnke
January 29, 2007, 10:06 AM
Kahnke Gunworks now has a web site going again. It is called www.kahnkegunworks.com. A lot of good stuff on there, including him shooting his first handmade muzzleloader. Since he does not use computer, I am writing this for him. Give him a call and order one of his handmade rifles or pistols. (507) 637-2901
David Kahnke

Gordon Kahnke
February 18, 2007, 02:26 PM
Posts: 2

Kahnke Gunworks new Web Site
on: Today at 10:26:37 AM

Kahnke Gunworks has recently had a new Web site built. If you are interested in quality built muzzleloading rifles and handguns made exclusively by him visit his site at www.kahnkegunworks.com

The Kahnke Muzzle-loader Rifle barrel lengths are 24", 26", 28", And 30" in blued or stainless steel. Twist are 1-26 for the 50 caliber and 1-28 for the 45 caliber. No 11 cap or musket cap will have 209 shortly. Williams sights. Barrel diameter is .875 with taper. Stocks are Walnut, Grey Laminate, Brown Laminate.
This makes a very trim, slim rifles that is easy to carry and quick on target. If you would like to talk to Gordon, he can be reached at 507-637-2901

Gordon likes to talk to his customers personally (Old School). If you call him between 7:00 am and 5:00 pm during the week he is usually there. He usually sends out packages through the mail. Otherwise just send email to me at dkahnke46@yahoo.com

David Kahnke

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