Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense?
The Drew
July 12, 2006, 08:35 AM
Just like the title says... Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense? This is for carry or for home defense or even reasons for both. This is not a caliber bashing thread, rather it is a pro "what I carry" thread.
I'll start, I primarily use 2 different handguns for carry, both are CZ's, one is a P01 and the other is a 75b both in 9mm. The reason I choose these guns and the caliber is that they both give me a large capacity, (because I've noticed in IDPA competitions under stress I tend to let loose large amounts of lead) I am VERY accurate with the 75B out to 60 yards, and both conceal well enough for my uses....
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Gary G23
July 12, 2006, 08:50 AM
Good points. Most of my guns are 9mm since the end of the magazine ban.
I think a lot of people carry guns that are too small to shoot well. I would recommend shooting an IDPA match with your carry gear to make sure it works for you.
Other considerations:
I sometimes carry a 357sig because it would give you the ability to shoot through a car windshield.
My housegun is sometimes a 45 because I feel it would do less damage to your ears if you have to shoot it indoors.
mag
July 12, 2006, 09:18 AM
For daily carry it's a 12 oz 357 mag. For all other occations its a 45 colt.
Why? - 357 small, light, powerful - 180 SJHP @ 1000 fps, hides well,
45 Colt more powerful - 300 gr @ 1130 fps
Mike G.
mljdeckard
July 12, 2006, 09:38 AM
I use my Kimber for pretty much everything. When I hunt deer, I take it out of my carry holster, and put it in a leg holster. When I hunt jackrabbits and squirrels, I switch to the Ciener .22 kit. I use 230-grain hydra-shoks for all real applications, and Winchester 230 grain FMJ (sometimes American Eagle) for most practice, after verifying reliable feed of the hydra-shoks. (I didn't need much convincing.)
I am used to carrying a full-size auto. I don't like switching out and learning a lot of different guns for different applications. I carry a 1911 because it has saved more soldiers' lives than any other combat handgun. For a while, I carried a Glock 22, but over time, I found that the traditional model appealed to me more than the technological model.
SaxonPig
July 12, 2006, 10:04 AM
I have specific requirements that needed to be addressed. Because carry in my place of work is prohibited by state law my gun would have to remain locked in my car during the day. I wanted something powerful enough to make me comfortable and it needed to be something I wouldn't cry over when it shows the effects of rough treatment.
I settled on a police surplus S&W M659. Being stainless it will resist rust and scratching. Also being stainless I find it ugly so I don't care if it gets beat up. A real tool rather than a collectable or work of art.
I wanted a semi-auto because I simply leave it in Condition III (chamber empty) and take the magazine with me when I lock it up in the car. I have a steel cable lock secured to the seat frame so it's pretty much out of sight under the seat and it would be tough to remove during a casual auto burglary. With the high-capacity gun I feel fine with just the one magazine and don't need to carry a reload. If I can't resolve the problem with 14 rounds of 115 grain +P+ then more ammo probably won't help.
If I didn't need to leave the piece locked in my car I might choose something different.
armoredman
July 12, 2006, 10:36 AM
I carried an EAA Witness, (CZ clone) for 13 years for both the caliber and the ergonomics. The CZ style gripframe fits me incredibly well.
Then I tried an actual CZ, and was hooked. The 9mm was not the cartridge I really wanted, but after investigating all the data I could, it became obvious, (well, to me, many people want to debate it still:neener: ), that it was far more shot placement than caliber that determined the effectiveness of a caliber, and that with modern bullet design, the top calibers were quite close in both jello testing and morgue results.
So, my daily carry is a 9mm CZ PO1, which fits me like a custom made glove, and I know I can put that little high speed pill right where it needs to go.
I do carry two spare mags, but that is more a Dept ingrained habit. Anyone carrying an auto should, IMHO, carry at least one spare, for magazine related failures, the most common source of auto jams.
baz
July 12, 2006, 10:37 AM
For everyday carry, my piece is a Taurus 605, loaded with .38 spl +P. I chose a revolver in this setting because of its simplicity, reliability, and the belief that 5 shots are going to be enough in any scenario where I am likely to use my everyday carry piece. At home, I keep a Taurus 24/7 in 9mm ready for action, with four extra magazines. I chose 9 mm because the ammo is cheap, making it possible for me to shoot a lot with it, stock up for SHTF/TEOTWAWKI, and share ammo with a HiPoint 995. In any setting where I thought I was ever likely to be engaged in gunfights, the 24/7 would be my primary piece, and the 605 a BUG.
Also for home defense, I have a 12 ga loaded with 00 buckshot. But that's a little big for everyday carry. ;)
Cousin Mike
July 12, 2006, 11:09 AM
At home, I have my Sig P220 and my Beretta Cougar. The only reason I keep them at home is because I do not have reloads available for them at the moment. If carrying, I only feel comfortable having at least one reload avaliable. I would love to, and more than likely will carry both once I find the time to purchase extra magazines, holsters, etc. I like them for home defense though, because in any likely HD situation, it'll be person to person, and I trust those rounds in those particular guns to do the job just fine.
I carry my Sig Pro usually, and rotate between .357Sig and .40S&W. More often I carry .357Sig for the same reasons as Gary G23 - incase I ever need to fire on a vehicle to stop an attacker. I more than trust the round in any application and find it to be very accurate. I also think the sound/flash alone from my personal SD load (Winchester Ranger, 125gr.) would make anyone else in the vicinity considering a fight (perps buddies, perhaps?) think twice about doing anything but running away and taking cover :D
I have carried my 1911, but Ohio in the summer is neither the time nor place. :p
Essex County
July 12, 2006, 11:39 AM
I usualy have a 1911 or a mod. 67 Smith within reach. Like them both, but I feel the 1911 is more efficent......Essex
TonyB
July 12, 2006, 11:50 AM
I chose a 642 S and w
Light enough to always carry it
reliable
38+p 's will get any bad guy's attention
I practice with it often(as we all should with our ccw's)and can shoot it well
Ala Dan
July 12, 2006, 12:17 PM
My primary carry piece is a .45 ACP Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II;
and is backed-up exclusively by one of Larry Seecamps fine little
LWS-32's in of course, .32 ACP. Why did I choose these weapons?
Simple, I carried a West German SIG-SAUER P220A as a duty piece
for years as a LEO; so I was familiar with the .45 ACP cartridge in
its various offerings. I changed platforms simply because of need
for a smaller CCW package. OTOH, the LWS-32 was chosen for
its extreme reliability, as a "in your face" or "up close and personal"
type firearm of a last resort.
Make note of the fact that for home D', my handgun assortment
still is in the .45 ACP line, with 14 rounds of 230 grain Hornady
T.A.P. JHP's being slung out of a 4" service model Springfield
XD-.45ACP; or the same round being fired from my original duty
weapon, the SIG-SAUER P220A~!:cool: :D
obiwan1
July 12, 2006, 12:35 PM
H&KP2000LEM .40. My employer makes me.:neener:
WolfMansDad
July 12, 2006, 12:36 PM
Glock 26, with 124gr federal hydra-shocks.
Years ago, in another state and an entirely different career, I was routinely in charge of a cash box, all alone and in a bad neighborhood. I tried carrying a 1911, but found it was just too heavy and bulky, and customers get freaked out if they make you, even in the 'hood. Also, I couldn't shoot it well at all, too much recoil. (Yeah, yeah. I'm a wimp. Blah, blah...) I switched to a Walther PP (PPK's bigger brother), in .32 auto, and I found I could conceal it well and hit anything I wanted to at speed.
In the last ten or fifteen years, I've noticed that the "criminal element" seems to be getting bigger and beefier. Thuggy teenagers now routinely stand a head taller than me, and they carry around a LOT of muscle and/or fat. These guys are huge! I began to worry that .32 auto might not be sufficient, so I moved up to 9mm.
The glock is almost as small as the PP, and it has a higher capacity. It is every bit as easy to shoot, and with it I can hit pretty much anything I want to at speed. The trigger is not quite as nice as the Walther's single action (double taps aren't nearly as fast, for example), but that is a minor quibble. It works for me.
Danus ex
July 12, 2006, 12:50 PM
Well, the gun I eventually purchased (two of) is one that I'm still learning and still learning how to appreciate--the Colt Detective Special. It's just large enough to shoot accurately (turns out the D-frame guns are perfect for my smallish hands), small enough to conceal very well, gives me six reliable shots of .38 +P lead hollow points, is light for a steel gun, has an outstanding finish, is built incredibly well and feels and shoots like a quality firearm should.
Jac
July 12, 2006, 12:52 PM
When I carry (not often enough, even when I'm not at work... once I get a better holster, I will), it's an Auto Ordnance 1911A1 in .45ACP.
Couple of reasons why (okay, more than a couple):
1. It's the pistol my dad gave me on my 16th birthday.
2. It's the only pistol I own :rolleyes: (so far, he says hopefully).
3. It feels like Mr. Browning used my hand as a mold.
4. I'm sort of anachronistic; the fact that the design is nearly a century old appeals to me.
5. It's single action, and made of steel; both excellent qualities for an automatic pistol, in my book.
6. It's comfortable to carry (even in a cheap holster that shifts), with it's slab sides.
7 I'm not bad with it (when I can settle myself into proper bloody trigger control), and getting better.
As far as caliber goes:
1. .45ACP has iced a lot of goblins. I'm not going to say it's better or worse than any other cartridge; I certainly don't have any combat experience. But I don't think a couple of percentage points above or below 9mm, 10mm, .40S&W, etc. really matter when the fact is that it does work, and well enough at that.
2. Mr. Browning built the 1911 around his .45ACP cartridge... and my folks taught me not to argue with my elders. :)
3. Again, my anachronistic tendencies. The sucker's a hundred years old and still works.
I'm sure I could come up with more reasons, but those're enough for me.
Snarlingiron
July 12, 2006, 01:43 PM
I carry a Glock 19 everyday. Compact enough for concealment, carries 15 rounds + one in the pipe. I also have a Hi Power, 2 K frame 38 specials and a CZ 52.
Reasons for the Glock:
Reliability
Accuracy
Ease of maintainance
Magazine Capacity (I carry G 17 spares)
Reasons for the Caliber:
Adequacey (None of them are magic, Plenty of people have survived .45 ACP hits, and plenty have been stopped by 9mm.)
Availability
Cost (CCI Blazer ~ $100.00 / 1000, so I can afford to shoot it a lot)
Capacity (15 or 17 vs. 8)
I was a hard convert to the Glock. "I ain't never gonna have one of them plastic guns!". But a couple of trips to the range with a couple of friends that are Glock fans convinced me. As I watched them put thousands of rounds through the things with virtually no maintainance, and absolutely no malfunctions, I was sold. The Hi Power now resides in my bedroom, the .38's are stashed in strategic locations about the house, and the Glock, unless I am sleeping is in a Glock holster on my side. The CZ 52 was bought cheap just for fun. It occasionally makes a trip to the range just so I can see that spectacular flame plume!
redneckrepairs
July 12, 2006, 02:06 PM
For me its normaly a Kahr either a pm9 or a p9 . I picked the Kahrs for the convienance of carry in a " duty cal " . They carry and shoot well ( the big one is about the size of my ppk/s lol ) and are full caliber. IMHO once you hit that 9mm threashold there isnt much differance in preformance , I would have been just as happy with the .40 cal versions, but they guy i traded for them from had 9s and i dont feel undergunned with them . I have reached the age that i dont go places i used to so i dont arm up to assualt fort knox . Oh and also there is normaly a p3at somewhere in a pocket , but that hardly counts as a gun does it ??
< flame resistant suit on >
LOL
BrainOnSigs
July 12, 2006, 02:42 PM
Current line up:
Glock G32 .357 Sig...my favorite caliber. This is my geocaching, boating, sweating my ass off in the summer heat gun:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/116454805.jpg
Sig P229 in .40 S&W. If things turn ugly the extra mass soaks up the recoil. 5K rounds...zero failures. I trust it.
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/95289125.jpg
Sig P225 in 9mm. Hard chromed by Virgil Tripp with a Sig Custom Shop action enhancement package. It's my dinner jacket gun for low risk evenings:
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/6449842/142600665.jpg
M2 Carbine
July 12, 2006, 03:27 PM
I choose to carry a Kimber Tactical Ultra II 45ACP. Quite simply it's the best pistol that I've found for the job.
But actually, because I dress for comfort instead of carry I mostly have a laser equipped Kel Tec .380 in my pocket.
My vehicles contain a couple larger pistols and a rifle 24/7 though.
For HD I have loaded pistols, rifles and shotguns around but recently I've about chosen the laser/light, Red Dot sight equipped Kel Tec PLR-16 .223 pistol as the primary HD gun.
For my use it should be able to handle any situation around the place.
The chances are if I needed to shoot it will be outside at 25-40+ yards.
The PLR would be a good up close and distance tool.
I'm thinking about replacing the vehicle rifles with PLR pistols.
Whirlwind06
July 12, 2006, 03:56 PM
I use my Kimber for pretty much everything. When I hunt deer, I take it out of my carry holster, and put it in a leg holster.
Are you hunting deer with your 1911? If so what kind of ammo are you using?
MTMilitiaman
July 12, 2006, 04:09 PM
Right now I keep a Glock 20 stoked with Double Tap's 180 gr Gold Dot load.
I choose the platform for two reasons, initially:
1. The 10mm Auto intrigued me. I knew and trusted the .45 Auto, so I had something to fall back on and decided to give it a try. I am a huge fan of the 10mm Auto, now. It is my favorite handgun round, followed closely by the .45 and the .357 Mag. Versitile and effective, the 10mm Auto can meet or beat anything else out there in an auto pistol in just about anything that matters--penetration and expansion and the factors that contribute to this--momentum, sectional density, frontal diameter, mass, energy, and velocity.
2. I choose the Glock because I had just had a run in with a bad USP Tactical that cost me $1000 to buy and gave me nothing but fits afterwards. The USP struck me as overly complex. The Glock was rumored to be at the opposite end of the spectrum. And it is. A trained monkey could detail a Glock and probably fix anything that is wrong with it. Parts and accessories are readily available, usually pretty cheap, and can often be installed by the user. Not so with the HK.
Now I am a big fan of the Glock and the 10mm Auto. My next handgun will probably be a Glock 30, just because I don't feel truely American without a working .45 ACP, followed by a Glock 29.
RyanM
July 12, 2006, 04:15 PM
I have a G23 because that's what was offered when I was trying to sell/trade away a mousegun.
And I have an SP-101 because I saw it in the local gun store's case, realized it was one of the extremely rare Target Grey ones, and jumped on it.
Not very good reasons, but they're solid guns and they've served me well. It's kind of hard to go wrong as long as you pick a decent brand, and don't start out with any insane prejudices against a certain model.
And I've also got an NAA black powder mini, because with the right modifications, the black powder gun is actually more powerful, more reliable, faster to reload, and just all-around better than a cartridge mini. I just need to try and use up all these darn percussion caps before I send it off. And it keeps raining whenever I have a day off! :cuss:
It'll be getting reamed chambers, new nipples that take small pistol primers, and a new firing pin that will set off the primers. With the appropriate charge of smokeless powder, the magnum version can shoot a 40 gr solid copper bullet at 1300 fps, compared to a maximum of 30 gr at 1150 fps for a .22 magnum cartridge mini. Centerfire primers are much more reliable than rimfire ignition. A loaded chamber would be sealed as tight as a standard centerfire round, so no more worries about hangfires and misfires after the gun has been carried awhile. And loaded cylinders would be safer to carry, especially if hard primers are used. A loaded spare cylinder would allow a much faster reload than is possible with a cartridge mini.
C-grunt
July 12, 2006, 04:23 PM
I carry a G23 now. I chose the .40 cal. because that is what the police carry and Im trying to become a cop. So when/if I get on the force, my carry piece can also be a BUG that will be able to use my duty mags.
Jkwas
July 12, 2006, 04:33 PM
For everyday carry, my piece is a Taurus 605, loaded with .38 spl +P. I chose a revolver in this setting because of its simplicity, reliability, and the belief that 5 shots are going to be enough in any scenario where I am likely to use my everyday carry piece.
+1 on the 605. Great carry piece!;)
Lou629
July 12, 2006, 05:01 PM
This has probably been said in other responses, but one of the primary reasons i own the guns i do is because i can shoot them reasonably well, and the ammo for them is readily available and fairly inexpensive for practice.
I keep a 9mm Beretta 92 as my 'ready' gun, should i suddenly have to confront a BG with it @ 0300-ish. Should the apocalypse break out, there's another 9mm plus other hand guns from a .22 to a .357 mag., not to mention the shotguns & rifles for extreme social-work. The rifles and handguns are 'mated' to each other by calibers, meaning at least one from each group can share ammo with one from the other.
The-Fly
July 12, 2006, 05:17 PM
my carry gun is a G26. Why?
Good capacity (12 rounds total including the +1 extension), I have faith that 9mm (in the form of Hst 147gr) JHP's will do the job, it shoots very similar to my G17, fairly low recoil, compact enough that i can carry it in a variety of ways depending on how i am dressed.
makarovnik
July 12, 2006, 05:58 PM
I carry a russian makarov in 9x18. It's easier to carry than a S&W J frame, it is very accurate and it's safe to carry with a round in the chamber. It has a rebounding hammer so it can not strike the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled all the way back. This means you can drop it on the hammer and it just can't hit the firing pin. I also like the convenience and safety of a good double action. I wish it came in 9mm parabellum but it doesn't so I will settle for the moderate 9x18. Why FMJ? I know they will feed properly and penetrate. This caliber is actually closer to a 9.25mmx18mm if you caliper it and it tends to tumble when it hits (that was by design).
Dr.Rob
July 12, 2006, 06:34 PM
I shoot 9mm more accurately than .45 or .357 but 'indoors' any of them will do.
I practice with the 9mm more. That's why it's the most likely go-to gun.
azredhawk44
July 12, 2006, 07:08 PM
I have 3 carry guns and 4 toys that could be pressed into carry mode if needed.
The 3 that are for carry are:
Ruger sp101 3" .357. Loaded with low-to-mid 158gr LSWC handloads, this gun gets on target and fires very quickly and is small enough to carry most of the time. After seeing bunnies and coyotes hit by this load, I don't doubt its efficacy. More powder or power would be wasted, as this is only a 3" barrel anyways. Rides well IWB or OWB, has true manstopper power.
Springfield XD9 4" Bitone 9mm. 16+1 rounds, 2 extra mags. Very accurate, concealable OWB with a jacket, rides comfortably there. Exact same results on bunnies and coyotes. 115gr Remington Golden Saber +P hollowpoints. Usually only carried if doing something deliberately higher risk. It gets carried on Minutemen patrols, long road trips, things like that.
Ruger Redhawk 5.5" .44Magnum. Backwoods rambling gun. Will occasionally do nightstand duty with 44specials, 180gr JHP handloads in the specials. Most arizona hiking, it gets 240gr LSWC magnum lite loads around 1200fps. If black bear might be around or if hunting for elk, it gets either heavy-fast 240gr LSWC at 1600fps or heavy-fast 300gr JSP at 1200fps. I'm looking to find a good, inexpensive 260-ish grain bullet for this purpose so my POI and felt recoil isn't so different between these loads.
The toys are a Charles Daly 1911, a Glock 21, a Taurus 94 and an Uberti Colt Navy 1851 replica. The glock is the best of the four, IMO, but needs better sights and a grip angle reduction to match the XD. Even then, it's too big to carry anything other than OWB for me. I only have a cheapo nylon holster for it with the attached mag holster... I hate that holster. Need to get a good BladeTech like I have for the XD9. The G21 used to be the hiking gun until I got the redhawk, then it got shelved. The CD1911 is okay, but just doesn't feel totally reliable. Feeds perfectly with ball ammo, and 98% with JHP. Probably 2 stovepipes per 100. I would only ever carry ball in it. Also only have a cheapo nylon holster for it, need a good one for it.
Devonai
July 12, 2006, 07:23 PM
I keep a 9mm Beretta 92 as my 'ready' gun, should i suddenly have to confront a BG with it @ 0300-ish.
I agree. I like 18 rounds available instantly in a package I can shoot well.
For carry, I keep going back to the Glock 22. This is actually my third G22, but a few years ago I decided to quit waffling and make one part of my permanent collection. While I've only fired about 3,000 rounds through this model (compared to 9k or so through my 92FS), it still comes in second by a longshot.
I believe that the .40 S&W does have a marginal advantage over the 9x19mm as long as I do my part. I find the size of the G22 to be perfect for concealment in all but the hottest weather. I like the NY1 trigger spring device (brings the pull up to about 8 lbs) and I can install or remove it myself. I also have a tendency to "baby" my firearms, so this time around I intentionally bought a slightly fugly Glock so I'll be less likely to obsess over a nick or scratch.
bpisler
July 12, 2006, 07:40 PM
I grew up shooting revolvers and i'am comfy
carrying them.I carry a 3" 65-3 loaded with
145gr silvertips and my BUG is a 642-2.My
apt gun is a 3" 10-7 load with Federal 158gr
+P lead hollowpoints.My back up to all 3
is a 640-1 357mag loaded with 125gr HP's.
I prefer stainless steel for carrying in the AZ
heat and it seems most easy to carry revolvers
are 38spl or 357mag so that's what i use.
Vern Humphrey
July 12, 2006, 07:45 PM
Way back when, everyone knew the M1911A1 was antiquated and no one could hit anything with it. But that's what we were issued. I checked mine out of the arms room, drew the 50 rounds from the practice range each Saturday, and was amazed to discover it wasn't nearly as bad as people said. Of course the issue guns were about 15 to 20 years old at that time, so naturally, they were prettuy worn from the Army's vigorous cleaning.
I wound up acquiring my own, tightened it up, and put new sights on it. I began to find out things about it -- it could shoot as well as I could. It was flat and easy to carry concealed. And it was reliable.
I've carried one for the last forty years or so.
tombo
July 12, 2006, 10:16 PM
I carry a CZ 75D or a P-01 in 9mm. They are small enough to conceal and are lightweight and they feel good in my hand. I shoot in an IDPA like competition monthly and practice in the off-times. I don't do that well in the competitions but it is good practice.
I don't really "like" the 1st double action trigger pull of the 75D and the P-01 but I figure that if I am in a situation that I have to use a firearm it is going to be highly stressful and I want to keep things as simple as I can. I also like to be able to decock the pistol and put it into a relatively safe mode. Again, if I have to use a firearm it's going to be pretty stressful and I like things simple. I do have a SA CZ so I know how cocked and locked works and am okay with it.
As far as the 9mm round: I feel comfortable with it. I have a lot of faith that when I pull the trigger in either one of those pistols that the round while fire and cycle and go where I want it. That's important.
Clipper
July 12, 2006, 10:24 PM
...I carry a Kel-Tec .380 everywhere I go. My wife also has one. In winter, or when I can otherwise cover it well, I also carry a Taurus PT-145. Every handgun I own remains loaded at all times, so in my house I have the choice of a couple of .22RFs, 2 .380s, a .44 mag and the .45...I also plan to keep the Hi-Point 9mm carbine loaded up somewhere in the house when it comes home...
Hypnogator
July 12, 2006, 10:36 PM
Kel-Tec P-32 ALWAYS. It just disappears in my rear pants pocket with a Pocket-Slipper laser attached.
Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro stainless for "serious social occasions." You can't beat 11 rds of 230-gr Hydra-Shoks, DAO trigger that is long but smooth, absolutely reliable, compact, and amazingly accurate. Ten or twenty extra rounds with one or two spare mags if in a "two-magazine area." :cool: (Oh, plus eight rounds of .32 ACP as a New-York reload. Remember, I said ALWAYS.) :D
MachIVshooter
July 13, 2006, 02:54 AM
I carry a Witness Compact 10mm most of the time (clothing permitting). Why? I like the ergonomics of these pistols, they shoot nice and are plenty accurate. I prefer TDA carried hammer down on a loaded chamber, though the witness is C&L capable. It is small enough to be convenient but large enough that it really doesn't handicap my abilities, as most sub-compacts do. The reason for the chambering is pretty clear, but for those who don't know my 180 gr. Gold Sabre handloads offer 742 ft/lbs from the 3.5" tube, times 11 rounds. If that don't take care of the problem, I should've had a rifle.
evan price
July 13, 2006, 03:35 AM
My normal carry weapon is a Sig P239 in 9mm with the single/double action and decocker; I like the fact that I can have 9 rounds of Golden Sabre with one in the chamber & decocked, the hammer is safely down and it takes a strong double-action trigger to make it fire. Somehow, even though I carried a Glock 19 for years, and own Glocks and an XD now, I still do not feel comfortable carrying a striker-fired polymer pistol with one in the chamber. However I do not feel comfortable carrying with an EMPTY chamber either; The Sig is small enough that it is almost invisible in the right cover garment, all metal, and the safeties mean it won't fire unless I tell it to. It fits my hand like a glove and it puts bullets exactly where I tell it to. The whole .40 vs 10mm vs 9mm vs .45acp vs .357sig et al debate really boils down to one thing: Can you hit what you aim at every time with what you carry- and with 9mm practice ammo $12/100 I can easily burn off 500 rounds a month every month in practice to make sure I can hit what I aim at.
For a household gun I keep a Gen I Glock 21 with +2 mag floorplates loaded with .45acp Black Talons handy. Or an XD9 with SureFire and Golden Sabres.
NeveraVictimAgain
July 13, 2006, 10:07 AM
I regret price is a major consideration for me. My Kel-Tec P11 has a reputation for reliability and only cost $195 at my local dealer's, "used" but mint, I don't think it had been fired when I got it.
I not educated enough to argue 9mm vs. .45. I know the 9mm L is four times the mass of the .22's I used to carry. Right now it's loaded with LVE "Brown Bear" ammo becuause it's cheap and has been utterly reliable in both my 9mm Mak and my P11 in 9 L.
Bobo
July 13, 2006, 01:30 PM
Situation:
Retired and at home most of the time.
The only other person at home is my wife who feels uncomfortable around guns.
Want a gun for our protection that I can have within arm's reach 24/7, but will be out of sight so my wife won't have to feel uncomfortable in her own home or when we are out.
I want as few guns as possible because I don't want to spend any more time and money on equipment and training than is needed to get the job done efficiently and effectively.
This is not to say to I don't train and practice. I shoot 50 to 100 rounds twice a month at the range, run dry-fire drills at home daily, I'm constantly running scenarios through my head, and I visit these forums daily to get information that will help me to be as proficient as possible.
Me and my condition:
68 year old male in better than average physical and mental condition.
Have astigmatism.
Wear trifocal eyeglasses except when sleeping.
When not wearing glasses all objects at all distances are recognizable but a bit blurry.
The trifocals make it very difficult to sight a gun using the "iron" sights. If I line up the part the glasses that allow focus on the sights, the target is very blurry - if I use the part of the lenses that allow the target to be sharp, the sights become extremely blurry. I have learned to shoot quite accurately by tilting my head up and using the portion of the glasses that focus well on the sights so I get good sight alignment and an iffy sight picture. This is OK at the range, but in a real situation it would most likely not be practical.
If I were awakened at night and had to react quickly I would not have my glasses on and everything would be blurry. Even if I did have time to put them on, it would be very difficult if not impossible to sight the gun even with night sights.
My solution:
A Kel-Tec P-3AT with ArmaLaser and two spare magazines loaded with a mixture of Santa Barbara TCMJ and Speer Gold Dot JHP in a SmartCarry holster.
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GeorgiaGlocker
July 13, 2006, 03:08 PM
I alternate between my Glock 19 and my Glock 26. Why Glock? Because it goes bang eveytime I pull the trigger!
mpmarty
July 13, 2006, 05:34 PM
In the summer I carry a Taurus PT145 Millenium Pro w/185gr solid copper Barnes bullets. It weighs less than a pound and a half with eleven rounds in it and fits iwb with a shirt tucked over it. In the winter I carry my full size Witness 10MM with 180gr. DTs My house gun is the same 10mm in the bedside table top drawer next to my 12ga pistol grip Mossberg 500 with #4 buck. If my doberman is on the ball I have plenty of time to pass the 10mm to the wife (95lbs and handles the 10mm like it is a 22 rimfire) as I grab the 12ga and shuck a round up the pipe. Now as to why I choose this particular firearm? The Taurus is smaller than the compact Glock 30 and fully supports the chamber, is full true double action with the capacity to restrike a primer with just a pull of the trigger and has a 1911 type safety to boot making my iwb appendix carry one thing less to worry about. The 10mm full size all steel Witness for winter because it hides under bulky coats and has the penetration necessary to do the job on BGs wearing heavy clothing, penetrates windshields better than the .45
Marty in Oregon.
sm
July 13, 2006, 06:12 PM
For a timeline - I am 51 years old.
I have stuck with the same basic Defensive Firearms Since I was a kid. The Guns fit me, MOAs I can reach and use strong or weak handed, I can get quick accurate hits with them, firearms are proven and reliable as are the ammunition they take.
A Revolver in .22 caliber was waiting for me to be born, I assisted maternal grandma in how to shoot it b/t age 3 and 4. I shot my first centerfire handgun, a bone stock Gov't Model of 1911,when I was six, seems a Gunny needed some lessons, then a K frame revolver, I had to assist an Uncle on how to shoot and would even let him shoot his own K frame - if he was really good- as I kept it at my place.
:)
I later shot a BHP added that one. Then the J frame. All these years, even if added a NAA .22 mini revolver, Beretta Jetfire, or anything - my basic defensive guns are a Full size, bone stock Gov't 1911 and K frame, make mine a 3" Round Butt please.
Oh I have a niche gun or two I had added, "niche" being the key word. I use a Keltec P-11 often...just a plastic double action revolver that is butt fed is all it is. I have my reasons for this one...mine are proven, never malfunctioned and I get quick accurate hits with it.
I am most comfortable with the Gov't 1911 and 3" K frame RB.
Well there is that Model 29 in .44 as a car gun...:) Oh phooey - Just a K frame on steriods is all that is...works the same darn way...just barks a bit louder is all. :D
I am not sentimental and old fashioned - just consistent is all.
748
July 14, 2006, 03:13 AM
When I need some thing light and smaller then the 1911, I turn to the
FN 5.7x28 pistol loaded with 20 of my hand loads pushing 40gr winchester C/T ballistic silver tip bullets around 2000fps.
It is around 1.7lb loaded.
When bigger is hide able I have the 1911 with 8 or 10 round mags.
In maine I have my 7.5" ruger super red hawk 44mag. :what:
carry2011
July 14, 2006, 05:29 AM
I have extremely short fingers, but a fairly wide hand. That precludes most pistols, actually. A full-size (though slim-line) 1911 frame, the Kahr K9 frame, the CZ 75 series, and one or two others are all that fit me well. I simply can't hold any SIG, HK, Beretta or similarly-sized pistols and have much control or confidence in my grip on the gun. :banghead:
Anyway, I have a CZ P01 9mm compact (28oz) that performs perform primary carry duty. 14+1 rds of 9mm +P JHP, 1300 fps, 450 ft-lbs.
Would love to carry a 1911, but the package of features simply doesn't work for me ... reliability, weight, ergonomics, concealability, availability of good ammo choices, proven 45ACP, "tuned" price. Love to shoot them, but for carry I feel there are better choices (for me).
MikeJ
July 14, 2006, 08:46 AM
My CCW is a S&W 442 loaded with Speer Gold Dot 135 grain .38+P. I chose the 442 for the following reasons:
1. Simplicity and reliability
2. I mostly pocket carry and the 442 fits this role better than anything else I found in a caliber I am comfortable with.
My home defense gun is a S&W 3" 65 with the same Speer load. My reasons for choosing this gun are:
1. Simplicity and reliability
2. I am able to shoot this gun extremely well in DA mode and since it is backed up with the 442 I feel relatively comfortable with 11 rounds at my disposal.
Working Man
July 14, 2006, 09:32 AM
My primary carry is a stainless H&K USPc in .40.
1)I carry IWB and it can get hot here so I prefer the stainless.
2)The size allows me to have no more than a T shirt with a few inches
of over hang to keep it concealed.
3)I am confident in its function as I have never had any form of malfunction.
4)It is rather accurate and since I am not using it to make world record
breaking shots, at that distance I have other options.
5)I am confident in the .40 Remington High Velocity's abilities to be an
effective stopping rnd and I have a total of 13 to rely on (12 in the mag
and 1 down the pipe)..... but I do carry an extra mag JIC.
6)I can carry it cocked and locked or ready to go with the hammer down.
10-Ring
July 14, 2006, 10:41 AM
I do have several to choose from, but I have gone with my USPs...either 45 or 9. I try to stick to the one just because I am very familiar w/ it, I shoot it well and I have total confidence that if called, it will respond.
pharmer
July 14, 2006, 12:09 PM
S&W 6906 9mm. Perfect compromise compact, lightweight, 11+1,rust resistant. IWB in cheap nylon holster (gotta take it on and off a couple times a day)that I toss in the laundry yearly to get out the sweat. Been working for me for a long time. Joe
mattw
July 14, 2006, 03:02 PM
.45 acp here. I use it because i don't have to worry about weight or size - i leave it in my truck because i don't have a ccw lisence, and i don't need a high capacity magazine to hit what i aim at (if i need more than 7 rounds i'm in more trouble than i can handle with a handgun) and my father shot alot of people with a 1911 in vietnam and says it does a pretty good job.
Medusa
July 14, 2006, 03:07 PM
Well, FiveseveN was my first, I bought it because it was cheap (surplus, less than 100 bucks, almost NIB original Tactical model) and has effective ammo, namely SS190 that I can get. Besides the "stopping power" it has good capacity, 20+1, and AP ability. It's good SD/HD handgun and has home-defence duty.
When I shopped for another gun, with what I could actually go to range with, my choices were limited to ammo availability. I did like Glock 20, cal 10 mm Auto (more power than .45ACP and good capacity), but ammo is rare, .45ACP ammo is also pretty scarce, only couple of place sell it, 2 rounds per buck, and FMJ only.
9x19 offered best capacity/availability/reliability option, plus Softpoint ammo. I got brainwashed in gunstore I work for a little (write them technical stuff, like manuals) - steel frame is the best, don't settle with plastic - so I got me a CZ 75B for 500 bucks. Indeed, it's a reliable piece of brick.
vanilla_gorilla
July 15, 2006, 10:59 PM
My normal carry gun is a Springfield Loaded 1911. I'm comfortable with the 1911 platform, and it fits my hand. It points like my own fingers, and picking up my gun is like shaking the hand of an old friend. I like the .45/230 loading, and I feel that it is as effective as any other handgun loading available.
On rarer days, I carry the Glock 17. I don't really have any reason for it, but some days I just like to carry it. I feel adequately protected with 18 rounds and a reload of 9mm/124 +P.
Srigs
July 16, 2006, 02:09 AM
I have several guns to use for carry purposes.
1. S&W 6946 as a primary about 8 months during the year is 9mm with 12+1. Medium sized gun.
2. Kel-tec P11 as primary for 4 months in the summer is 9mm and can use the same mags as the 6946. The other 8 months it is a secondary or bug. Small sized gun.
3. Kel-tec P32 is a always BUG in a pocket holster. Works when no others would. Very small sized gun.
All are accurate enought, 100% reliable and are the right size for my needs.
Sometimes I carry all 3! :cool:
MidnightRambler
July 16, 2006, 09:14 PM
Sig 229 in .40 with a .357 Sig barrel on the side. My only carry piece for all year round, because it's the only one I own.
If I add another at some point though, it will likely be a Glock 22 or 23 for lighter weight.
HerrWolfe
July 16, 2006, 09:54 PM
1911 Colt .45 and .380 PPK only when Colt is too cumbersome, one FMJ followed by all HP. Best solution for possible problem at distance anticipated.
gbran
July 16, 2006, 10:46 PM
My first choice for CCW was 600 nitro pocket pistol with a 30 round mag that kicked like a 22, but I couldn't find one so I carry a Glock 26.
desertplinker
July 17, 2006, 12:31 AM
For what goes bump in the night: USP Fullsize in .40 with nightsights and a surefire x200 hanging off the rail. I choose this for several reasons. #1 is the .40 package has good power to capacity ratio (13 rounds). I like the safety and decocker setup as well as the ability to keep it in it's Versavault in condition one. The safety also is familiar to the 1911s that I use as well.
For daily carry: Dan Wesson Bobtail Commander (CBOB) in .45. Like a lot of other people, I like the fact that I'm carrying a 1911. It is dead nuts accurate. The Winchester Ranger 230gr. assures me if I do my job properly then it will immobilize the target. I like the thin frame and slide of this gun. The bobtail makes it even more comfortable as well. This rides in a Galco Skyops IWB rig.
Others that I could or could not choose from:
Sig 239 (Daily Carry). I like the gun but not as much as the 1911. The .40 round doesn't shine to me when compared to the .45. I do choose it when I need something lighter and smaller. Good for shorts and a t-shirt.
Sig 226R. Excellent gun. Big capacity (15+1 rounds). I just wished I had gone with a .40 or .357 sig. Of course 16 rounds of Gold Dot 115gr. is nothing to sneeze at.
Dan Wesson Razorback. Target sights on this gun rule it out for daily carry. The lack of nightsights rule it out for bedside capability.
Para-Ordnance LDA 16.40. Just too unreliable to bet my family's life on.
The .22s. No one should take this option seriously. If you can shoot this round effectively to stop a person then you need to learn to shoot something else.
spartacus2002
July 17, 2006, 09:43 AM
1911A1 in .45. I can conceal it well because it is so flat.
And if 8+1 rds of 230gr JHP .45 doesn't do the job, then 17+1 rds of 147gr JHP 9mm+P probably won't either:D
Pilot
July 17, 2006, 10:09 AM
I typically carry a CZ-75D PCR in 9MM. Its a nice balance of size, capacity and caliber. Its small enough to conceal, yet large enough for me to shoot it well.
MCgunner
July 17, 2006, 08:25 PM
I carry a 9mm Kel Tec because all the big bullet guys like cookekdjr say it'll bounce off flesh and I really don't want to hurt anybody too bad....:cool: I figure it's good non-lethal defense.
kbheiner7
July 17, 2006, 08:44 PM
One more vote for the .45 ACP in a 1911.
Comfort in the hand and in the holster.
It makes big holes. :evil:
Trigger is 2nd to none. :cool:
I shoot them better than any other handgun I have shot. :)
They are purdy! :D
kserg
July 17, 2006, 10:40 PM
I wish it came in 9mm parabellum but it doesn't so I will settle for the moderate 9x18.
Wait, what are those makarovs i see that say "9mm" on it. Do they just mean 9x18? What ammo do you use in yours and how hard is it to find (not meaning online but in random stores)?
Just planning on buying that gun (Russian made Makarov 9mm IJ-70). :)
Cheers
Glockman17366
July 18, 2006, 05:04 AM
I pocket carry a Taurus M85 Multi-Alloy most the time. This is primarily due to it's light weight and convenience of just tossing the gun/holster in my pocket. It also conceals well no matter how I'm dressed.
It goes almost everywhere with me.
Although .38 Special isn't my favorite round (9 mm is), for a fight stopper as a civilian, I'm quite confident in this little gun.
The guns I prefer are a Glock 19 or a Kahr MK9...but that little .38 is my most frequently carried SD gun.
MCgunner
July 18, 2006, 07:36 AM
Wait, what are those makarovs i see that say "9mm" on it. Do they just mean 9x18? What ammo do you use in yours and how hard is it to find (not meaning online but in random stores)?
It's a blow back and shoots a Russian round not related to the 9x19 aka 9mm Luger. The bullet is actually slightly bigger and the pressure is a lot lower due to blow back operation. You can also get Maks for the more common .380 and that's probably what I'd get one in since you're limited in ammo selection with the Mak round. I don't carry FMJ even in .45 auto.
Although .38 Special isn't my favorite round (9 mm is), for a fight stopper as a civilian, I'm quite confident in this little gun.
My 9mm Kel Tec is more compact than my M85UL, but I do carry the revolver a lot, especially when I'm going fishing or something where I prefer the stainless/alloy construction. After 9 years of carry, my Kel Tec's slide ain't that purty anymore..:D ..but I don't really want rust on it. That little Taurus has an amazing DA trigger, though, about as good as it gets in a DA revolver, and it's quite accurate. It's a fun little gun and I like it a lot and consider .38 special plenty. The main reason I like the 9 is more firepower if I'm going to the big city and it does carry easier.
If I'm going to carry anything bigger than the Kel Tec, it's usually my Ruger P90 IWB. I do have a P85, but I shoot that P90 a little better and it's a little more accurate.
DunedinDragon
July 18, 2006, 08:18 AM
I would carry any of the guns I own, and have from time to time. But I have settled on one gun as my primary CCW/SD gun which is my Sig P229 Equinox in .40 S&W.
Reasons:
The .40 S&W is provides the best balance between mass/velocity/# of rounds in the mag.
If I have to pull out my weapon I want the person to realize it's a serious weapon and not to be taken lightly. Although I'd prefer to carry the largest frame gun possible just for intimidation purposes, the P229 is a decent size and can be counted on both in terms of reliability and accuracy over a range of distances.
Aside from the looks of the gun (which is WAY cool) I really like the combination of TruGlo TFO sites on the front and tritium night sights on the rear. I find it very easy to get a quick, accurate sight picture even without my glasses.
I strongly believe in DA/SA for a carry gun which means it's either the P229 or the P220, so I prefer the slightly smaller frame with more ammo.
foghornl
July 18, 2006, 10:07 AM
Springfield 1911-A1. Have both the 4" Champion, and the 5" 'GI-45'.
Don't have a DA .357 revolver, although the GP-100 Ruger is way up on the want list. Do have a cheapy .38 DA (Rohm/RG) snubby, but that one stays in 'Foggy's Artillery Locker' most of the time. I only shoot the RG with very light (130-gr FMJ) loads.
Bill B.
July 18, 2006, 12:12 PM
1. Works flawless.
2. Accurate or actually I personally shoot it well.
3. I like the caliber and feel it's effective.
4. Capacity adequate.
That's what I look for ......................:) .
1911 guy
July 19, 2006, 07:55 AM
O.K., I'll tell you. I carry 5" 1911's. The frame fits my hand, I'm intimately familiar with it's manual of arms and it comes in an effective caliber. No, I'm not a 9mm basher, plenty of goons have had careers cut short by a 115 gr. slug. Handguns aren't rifles, none of them are magic. I just prefer the 1911 because of ergonomics and familiarity.
cookekdjr
July 19, 2006, 02:42 PM
When running errands with the wife and kids:
S&W 431pd. A perfect "always" gun. Light enought to carry with you anywhere. Holds six rounds instead of five, and the ballistics on the 100gr GA Arms ammo is better than the 110gr 38 +p rounds, but with lower recoil.
In my car and when going to the rougher sides of town:
G19. Usually loaded with 147gr stuff I got from the FBI. Sometimes I'll use the lighter +P+ stuff (115-127gr). I use this combo because I shoot it better than anything else. If I find a hi-cap pistol in 40 or 45 that I can shoot as well, I will go with them. In the meantime, I'm sticking with the G19.
-David
cyanide
July 19, 2006, 05:21 PM
Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense?
Fact is defense is like hunting, the faster the target bleeds out the better for you --- the person trying to defend himself.
One hole in -- one hole out. Over penetration is a Aboob myth, You just need to be mindful of your target and what lays behind it.
JMO
Syndrome
July 19, 2006, 06:18 PM
I carry a Kel-tec p3at whenever I can do so legally. It is easy to carry either in my front pocket or clipped onto my waist band. I just picked up the clip accessory and it works really well. I realize the .380 round lacks the oomph of larger calibers but the gun is extremely easy to carry.
I've also got a SP101 in .357 with 3" barrel recently. It balances and shoots extremely well. The .357 surely packs enough of a punch to fulfill the function of a CCW. I plan for it to be my house gun and to carry it on my belt when I can wear a coat. Right now it is way too hot outside, so my p3at is still my constant compantion while my SP101 is waiting for it's next trip to the range.
Doggieman
July 21, 2006, 01:49 AM
CCW: Smith 642, because concealment is everything. Anyone sees it = I get arrested.
Home, bump in the night: Taurus .45 semi auto, light weight, easy to employ, stopping power
Home, serious sh*t: Mossy 12 gauge with #1 buck, real stopping power
Out jogging: Sabre mace/pepper-spray combo
Rickstir
July 21, 2006, 01:34 PM
My first gun, purchased long before CCW in MO was a Beretta 92FS. It is my almost constant companion now. I do move to Taurus 650 CIA 2" snub .357 on occasion. But I love that 92. In 12 years, no FTF, FTE. She shows some holster wear, but she is still beautiful in my eyes.:)
Blacklabman
July 21, 2006, 10:43 PM
I tend to rotate the night stand handgun.
Home = 686.357mag with 158gr Black Hills JHP
Home = 627 loaded with the above ammo
Home = 625 loaded with Black Hills 230gr JHP
A Benelli M4 is the one constant at home defense.
CCW= M&P .40S&W with 165gr Gold Dots.
petr
July 21, 2006, 11:41 PM
carry a kahr .45 acp. very comfortable and it is accurate, not toy gun accurate, but full size accurate.
Home: thunder ranch LB Home defense. I sleep like a baby in a bad neighborhood.
kmrcstintn
July 22, 2006, 10:24 AM
CCW: Smith & Wesson 642-2 airweight (internal hammer snubby); DAO; 5-shot,.38 +p rated; Hornady .38spl (non+p) 125gr XTp's; reload is 5 of the same in a Bianchi Speed Strip;
CAR: Smith & Wesson 60-7 steel snubby; DA/SA; 5-shot; .38 +p rated; Federal .38spl +p 125gr sjhp's; reload is 5 of the same in an HKS speedloader;
I like the ease of use and reliability of a revolver and the j-frame Smith & Wessons are proven platforms that have a great track record;
I like the weight of the 642 for carry and the internal hammer so the gun can be fired inside a pocket if necessary and the mechanism of the gun won't get snagged with material lining the pocket; I like the Hornady load since it has less recoil and muzzle flash than a +p and offers more controllability for followup shots; it is also very accuracte in this gun;
I like the size of the 60 for stashing in the glove compartment and the steel adds extra weight for recoil control; this gun is reliable and easy to shoot with the older semijacketed hollowpoints; the Federal load is accurate in this gun;
for the curious: home gun is a Ruger P89DC that is loaded with Winchester WWB Personal Defense 147gr jhp's in 9mm; I keep a 15 round hi-cap magazine in the gun and a 10-round magazine as a backup; I have a second of each magazine that I use to rotate so the springs don't set and cause malfunctions
KurtC
July 22, 2006, 01:01 PM
I have 3 qualifications for a defensive handgun, and will gladly consider any model that meets them:
1. .45 acp, because after all these years it is the only handgun cartridge I have any confidence in.
2. Double action only, because the New Jersey state animal is the lawyer.
3. Extremely high quality. A defensive handgun is too important a tool to settle for 2nd rate quality.
mmissile
July 23, 2006, 09:39 AM
Carry...Rohrbaugh 9
Home...FN-Five Seven w/M6. It has 20 rnds, light, laser, and will shoot thru my wet plaster walls. You can run, but I'll shoot ya thru my fridge.:D
MCgunner
July 23, 2006, 09:51 AM
Home...FN-Five Seven w/M6. It has 20 rnds, light, laser, and will shoot thru my wet plaster walls. You can run, but I'll shoot ya thru my fridge.
Glad you're not my neighbor.
Dr.Evil
July 23, 2006, 12:30 PM
Home Defense : CZ 75 Compact (9 mm) - Fits my hand very well, high magazine capacity, very accurate, I am confident in the round I use, recoil is good for follow-up shots, I love this pistol!
Personal Defense (CCW) : Ruger SP101 (357 Mag.) - Heavy enough for full-house 357 loads, light and small enough for comfortable carry, I am confident in the round I use. Stainless finish so I don't worry about the effects of sweat and rust.
mapwd
July 23, 2006, 12:59 PM
Glock 19 and a Kimber Team Match II
camp_gunner
July 23, 2006, 01:17 PM
This is simple, whenever possible I carry somthing in .452 / .454. My general carry is a 1911. I have been known to carry a New Service in 45 LC. I have been known to carry one of those CZ52, I am sometimes perverse, but for some reason I sometimes like the 7.62 x 25 at 1400 FPS.
The reason for the 45 is simple, 9mm / 38s are cute, but the US millitary gives up on this class of cartridges every hundred years or so because they are not really all that effective. To be effective they require well placed shots, at which point you may as well carry a 25. A friend of mine kill a armed robber at his shop a few years back with a Walther PP in 32 with a single shot, but this man is a true expert shot, having shot on the Army pistol team for year. If you are just throwing lead towards your oppoent, you will most likely miss, it is better to take aim and hit, at which point the number of cartridges is not realy important.
cbsbyte
July 23, 2006, 05:32 PM
I don't carry, even though I have the proper LTC, do to the assine laws in this state making it almost impossible to not get in legal trouble if one needed to use it. For home use I have a Ruger Gp-100 .357 Mag.
iliketoshootguns
July 23, 2006, 05:38 PM
I use a 9mm, and a .38 special because the hit hard enough without leaving a massive fireball in night situations
I like rugers and berettas, they work for me
cyanide
July 23, 2006, 05:41 PM
Seems in the gun world they are always trying to reinvent the wheel
some innovations are good
SS for example.
but as far as caliber goes
I stay with the time tested and proved rounds
.38 spec
44 spec
45 acp
44 mag
and 357
hard to beat any of those for protection in my book, some are better than the others - in the end they all work if used right.
middy
July 25, 2006, 03:51 PM
Glock 26
Easy to conceal, corrosion-proof, easy to replace any part without a gunsmith, reliable, shoots like a big gun.
9mm
cheap to practice with, available worldwide, effective, light recoil.
Gideon
February 17, 2007, 12:45 PM
This is a neat thread so i thought I'd ressurect it!
I carry:
1. Keltec P3AT .380; perfect pocket carry. I'm a pastor and business projessional who needs perfect concealment and wears thin dress pants a lot with a tucked in shirt. This gun pocket carries is ideal, next step up...
2. S&W J fram 637; will be trading this towards a 642 to go hammerless; I feel DAO with no controls is the very best for defensive CCW. This is my "heavier" pocket gun that works good in heavier pant material with larger pockets. Only draw back is slow reloads with speed strips compared to any auto.
3. SP101 .357/.38 3" barrel; didn't really intend to get this but fell in love with one handling. I think it's somewhat of a poor choice for CCW because it's heavier than most light weight .45's, is thick, only has 5 shots etc. and even though .357 is a great round for putting down a bad guy, it's recoil makes 2nd shots harder and it is very loud. I intend to shoot +p .38s in mine since the recoil is WAY better than the 637/642 Airweights. I'll use mine more as a field gun or winter "under the coat" gun but this one will probably never be a main CCW gun due to weight and other issues but I love this gun! :o
4. Kahr P9; my main carry whenever I do have a cover garment to wear. Again I alwasy wear dress shirts tucked to even in the winter it's hard for me to carry IWB unless i don't take off my coat inside. I'm going to experiement with sweaters but never liked that and I don't think I can pull of the vest look so I carry this mainly when i know I can keep my jacket or suit coat on. It's the most concealable IWB type weapon I've ever used. It's flat, light, etc. and is deadly accurate with 9mm
5. Last in the line up I have an SA .45 full size 1911. If I was going into a high risk situation, this is what i would carry with one of the others acting as a bug. I can shoot this gun well, followup shots are pretty easy, recoil is very manageable and is more of a push than a flip. Its a potent round for defense but the flash/recoil doesn't feel as bad to me as full house .357's but it is a VERY heavy rig even with a good belt and holster and it's not easy to conceal (for me) unless I have a heavy cover garment on.
Someday? I've always dreamed of having a compact (4" barrel on officers frame) 1911 for main carry. The lightweight models are close to the Kahr in weight, nearly as thin, I love the trigger and I'm very accurate shooting the 1911 but I am concerned about the recoil of the .45 in a lightweigh small 1911 and along comes Springfield's EMP in 9mm. I love it but feel guilty thinking of spending $1000 on a 9mm for carry when I have the Kahr P9, still, with the SA emp you end up with 10 rounds of 9mm in a single stack and the gun fits my smallish hands like they made it personally for me. So I'm thinking about it.
To clean up my line up...
1. I'm going to trade my old 637 and 1st generation P3AT (its' had some reliability issues) in for a new 642 j frame
2. Then I'm going to buy a new P3AT 2nd generation
3. And finally I'm going to get some type of 1911 in either 9mm or .45 in a small compact configuration and that'll be it. No more handguns for the rest of my life. really...:(
God Bless
Gideon
spyderdude
February 17, 2007, 05:16 PM
I chose the .45 ACP, because it is a proven cartridge that will greatly slow down, if not stop two legged predators. I chose the XD45 to carry .45 ACP in, because of its capacity, and it feels good in my hands. I tried the .40 S&W, but the recoil on it is just too snappy. Although the .45 ACP has more "bang" it doesn't seem to be as snappy, its more of a roll. I also feel comfortable with 9mm, but I sold my XD9 to help fund the .45.
Smoke
February 17, 2007, 05:19 PM
Check my sig-line.
AS for caliber.....I subscribe to the big hole theory. And noone has produced a 1911 in 50 yet.
Smoke
Handyman
February 17, 2007, 06:10 PM
SP101 2.25" for every day carry - rugged , reliable , small enough for me to carry IWB .
GP100 4" for target , HD , and sometimes cold weather and woods carry - rugged , reliable , accurate and soaks up the recoil of the 357
Remingon 870 12 ga. - great gun for hunting or HD
I chose the revolvers because they are simple and reliable . Point and shoot , no safetys , no stovepipes or jambs , 5 or 6 for sure . I chose the 38/357 because I feel the 38 is as good as the 9 mil and I have the option of using the more powerful 357 if I want to .
MikePGS
February 17, 2007, 06:20 PM
And noone has produced a 1911 in 50 yet.
Not true :) http://www.m1911.org/mod_guncrafter.htm I'm not sure it if was this particular 1911 in fifty cal, but i saw a gun magazine advertised in another gun magazine (like a back issue i think) that had a .50 cal 1911 on the cover, so there may be more than one company making such a weapon, though in my opinion a .45 acp is more than adequate for the job.
g5reality
February 17, 2007, 06:24 PM
Glock 19 for Home Defense w/Federal Hydra Shock 124 grain.
Glock 26, Kimber Ultra carry II for CCW with S&W 642 as BUG w/Federal Hydra Shock
S&W 686 4" for Home Defense & Hunting w/Federal Hydra Shock
Kimber .45 Raptor II for Anything and everything w/Federal Hydra Shock
Remington 870 w/ #4 for Home Defense #00 or Slugs for pig hunting.
SA M1A Home Defense for 2 legged Varmints when TSHTF
Mini-14 for fun & Small varmints & Home Defense for 2 legged Varmints when and if TSHTF
SA SOCOM-2 Home Defense for 2 legged Varmints when TSHTF
Remington 700 CDL 30-06 for hunting Large or small game.
Winchester 70 7mm hunting Large Game
koja48
February 17, 2007, 07:02 PM
1911 . . . points well, easy carry, I shoot one well, 45ACP works. Quite fond of the "big bullet moving slow" theory . . .
Nicky Santoro
February 18, 2007, 04:39 PM
Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense?
I chose a 1911 for HD because I was familiar with them from the Army and knew little of revolvers. If I were to do it again, I'd probably choose a K frame in .357.
silent knight
February 18, 2007, 06:24 PM
I choose my G23 because it's light, powerful and if it's good enough for law enforcement it's good enough for me.
Dr.Rob
February 18, 2007, 06:34 PM
1. Accuracy. Doesn't matter what caliber it is if you can't hit with it.
2. Familiarity. You should shoot it a lot. Know how to re-load, clear a jam, shoot on the move etc.
3. Reliability. (You won't know much about this unless you shoot it a lot.)
IDPA and other 'gun games' are good places to practice all three.
I think the rest is really personal preference. For me, that's single action auto with few bells and whistles and a magazine full of quality ammunition. (See #3)
I shoot my 9mm HP clone a bit better than my Colt .45s, but I'd feel confident with any of them. I'm working on getting up to that proficinecy with my .357 snubby but it's a slow road, and the re-loads are tricky compared to moon clips and a 1917 Colt. (Which don't fit in that itty-bitty IDPA box.)
Herr Trigger
February 18, 2007, 06:53 PM
I wanted a stainless Colt Officer in .45 but couldn't part with $1000 so I built my own. This is a retro styled SS built on a Caspian slide and frame. I hand fit the slide to the frame. All internal parts are Wilson. She will put all 7 shots into 2 inches at 10yds with the old style lo pro sights
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/mrriggs/Casper1.jpg
jman74
February 18, 2007, 06:59 PM
My primary carry weapon is my Springer LW Champion .45ACP held in a BladeTech IWB holster. This gun has proven to be very reliable and accurate with any of the defense loads I've tried (use Hornady TAP for carry).
Home defense duty is done by my Sig P220 due to the fact that the girlfriend is comfortable with the weapon. I might change over to my P220 SAO once it proves itself reliable. Really the handgun is a backup at home with the real duty being done by an 870 loadded with 00 Ranger and a Ruger PC9 loaded with Corbons.
KINGMAX
February 18, 2007, 07:01 PM
GLOCK 21 in .45 acp.
TestPilot
February 18, 2007, 07:43 PM
Initial requirement:
1. Self loading pistol.
2. Minimum of 10 round magazine capacity.
3. Reliable and accurate.
4. Compact to full size.
5. DA first shot
Result: SIG, Beretta, S&W, Glock, Ruger, H&K.
Additional requirement: "No manual firing inhibitor"
This ruled out most of Beretta, S&W, Ruger, and H&K.
Additional requirement: "Ergonomic handling"
This dropped Glock from the list, because of its grip angle. Beretta was also dropped from the list because the grip did not feel as good as H&K or SIG.
Additional requirement: "Ease of accurate delivery of first shot"
I can hit with DA, but the new medium pressure DAO triggers excels in this department.
After this I was only left with two companies:
SIG: P226R in DAK, SIG P229R in DAK.
H&K: Their compact to full size pistol in LEM.
I went with P229R DAK. There was no significant performance difference between 226 and 229, and SIG is more ergonomic for my hand than H&K.
Caliber selection:
I follow the doctrine of "use the largest caliber that I can handle effectively."
With a P229, that happens to be 40S&W. With a lighter or smaller pistol it may go down to 9mm. So, there it is.
High Planes Drifter
February 18, 2007, 08:23 PM
Alternate between Sig model 220; and Springfield GI model 1911
Both .45 ACP. Im a fan of the whole big, slow , and heavey
Autolycus
February 18, 2007, 08:46 PM
I wanted a lightweight carry gun that had decent capacity and was comfortable to hold.
I also wanted a DAO trigger as I prefer one type of trigger pull. I do like manual safeties but I wanted my CCW gun to be without one.
I ultimately chose the HK P2000 with a LEM trigger.
I like the 9mm and the .40 S&W. I chose the .40 S&W because it is a very good compromise between a .45 ACP and a 9mm. In the case of the P2000 I was going to have to choose between 12 rounds of .40S&W or 13 rounds of 9mm. I felt that there was not much difference in capacity so I figured I would go for the bigger caliber and the one I felt would stop a threat better.
When I move this will be my daily carry gun. I may also have a P2000SK with the LEM trigger and in .40S&W to back it up as well.
Panthera Tigris
February 18, 2007, 09:01 PM
I also wanted small because larger weapons are just too uncomfortable. I don't like the higher calibers, and I am very accurate and quick with 9mm than 40 or 45.
ARTiger
February 18, 2007, 09:48 PM
This got me to thinking as to what I carry when and why. At last count I have 42 handguns (Seems like a lot to me, but I'm sure - I hope at least a few on this board have many more than that even.) 75% or so of those came to me in the last 2 years by way of inheritance and also having time to shoot more and the money (finally) to buy some nice guns.
Lately for CCW, I carry a Glock 29 (DoubleTap 180 gr.) or a .40 S&W M&P compact (CorBon DPX's) . I know the calibers will serve my needs in most any situation and these guns are the smallest/lightest I have that I can shoot well all the time. Occasionally I may carry a Para Wharthog or a Ruger SP 101 as well. Those were my 2 CCW's before the plastic guns found their way into my pants.
At home I have a Ruger P90 (Glaser Silver) or a S&W model 24 4" (Rem. 240 gr. LSWCHP) in the nightstand because these guns are the full sized handguns I trust implicitly. The P90 gets the nod over several 1911's (including a Wilson) because it's NEVER failed to do what I want it to, I've shot it more than anything else and can probably do so blindfolded and it's also very accurate. The Mod 24 is the equivalent in a revolver. Backing those up is a Browning BPS 12 ga. 3" pump with 00 buck and a magazine extension.
When at my cabin I open-carry a S&W Mod 586 or a Colt Trooper on my belt (Buffalo Bore 180 gr.). If hogs have been around, ths may change to a Mod 629 .44 magnum. The same 629 with the first 2 chambers loaded with shotshells is on me in spring and summer at the cabin for snakes.
My dress-up low risk CCW is a HK P7M8 (Corbon 115 Gr. DPX).
In the car/truck is an old Charter Bulldog - well hidden.
So far I've never had to use any of the above on a 2-legged critter and I hope that trend continues. My "cabin wheelguns" have dropped quite a fwe 4-legged ones though. Also, I am starting to warm to a .460 "hand-cannon" for deer/black bear hunting at longer ranges.
W Turner
February 20, 2007, 10:09 AM
When I can carry, it's a SW642 about 90% of the time.
-It's easy to slip in and out of my pocket when I have to.
-It's potent enough for serious work(especially when loaded with the 135gr. Gold Dots).
-I know it will fire upside down, up against a body or through a jacket pocket. When a pocket gun is your primary it HAS to work everytime.
The other 10% of the time it is a Springfield Armory Lightweight Gov't Model
-1/2 lb lighter than an all steel gun
-My best group with it is 2" offhand at 25 yards (I was having a VERY good day)
-It has proven itself reliable with my carry load
-It conceals well when IWB
I am working on buying a holster for my 3" SW Model 13 so I can carry it OWB, just haven't gotten around to ordering the holster or speedloader pouches yet.
W
possum
February 20, 2007, 11:03 AM
my carry guns and all my handguns for that matter are .40 for the time being.
i carry a kahr k-40 and an xdsc .40 depending on the weather, and what clothes i am wearing.
the reason i carry the particualr pistols is that they are great accurate, and extrememly reliable handguns that i trust mine and my families lives with. plus the added bonus of there size.
i like .40 because it is a great medium IMHO. i get more capcity than, a .45 (generally) and more knock down power than 9mm, but yet it still fits in a frame size that i can easily hold and shoot comfortably. most pistols in .45 are two big for my hand.
sm
February 20, 2007, 04:13 PM
I informed hso what I was doing.
For seven days I did not carry concealed , nor did I carry any knife , other than a SAK classic.
Understand, my travels include some evening, to late night times, not the best areas of town, and Non-CCW areas anyway.
Why? Real simple. Firearms are not a magic talisman against evil, no matter what brand, platform, caliber or type of ammunition used.
Focus on your individual skill sets, get training and continue to practice for YOU what you can with what you got to work with.
Federal Bldg, I cannot carry. Why worry about it, accept it, and use my energies toward the skill sets I have in case something comes up while I am walking toward or coming back from.
Another location, same thing. Hey, I am nearing 52 and I have no problems getting a ride in a Golf Cart with an armed off duty LEO. That is what he was there for.
I cannot carry on a College Campus I attend , and I attend night classes. Yep, I got plans and back up plans.
Maybe I am getting old and indicative of the times I was raised in.
Run what you brung.
Sage advice is knowing how to run what you brung. Even if that means NO CCW.
Focus on the target - not the equipment - Will Fennell
Steve
SoCalShooter
February 20, 2007, 04:16 PM
I prefer my HK USP 45 for HD, hunting and I would carry it if I was allowed.
Raise
July 14, 2010, 12:25 PM
subscribing...
skoro
July 14, 2010, 04:09 PM
My home defense guns are 38/357 revolvers. I like the idea of no safety, no slide, and no magazine springs to mess with. :)
oldbanjo
July 14, 2010, 08:03 PM
Years ago I had a lot of auto's, Due to safety's being different on every gun, I sold them and went to revolvers. I used to use 38 but now I want something that will go thru a car door so I use a 357Mag.
akadave
July 14, 2010, 08:46 PM
I carry a small revolver of at least .38 +p caliber most of the time for expediency. I have several 1911's but they are terrible CCW for my purposes, even my S&W 1911SC. While I would rather have a 45 ACP on me at all times, I have to compromise with the small revolver because otherwise I would leave my CCW home more often than carry it.
I would actually rather carry my custom 9X23 which holds 20 rounds and kicks a 124 gr. slug along a 1400 fsp or greater but its built on a 1911 frame.
Raise
July 14, 2010, 09:59 PM
My home defense guns are 38/357 revolvers. I like the idea of no safety, no slide, and no magazine springs to mess with. :)
I hear ya...especially if you need it at 3:00 in the morning...the wheel gun would be my nightstand gun as well.
LawofThirds
July 15, 2010, 12:13 AM
If it's automatic, it's mid sized to large and 45.
If it's a revolver, it's .38/.357 and small to mid sized.
Honestly, I look for the best combination of caliber, capacity, energy, shootability (a completely subjective matter, which is why I didn't go with .40 S&W) and availability (which is what killed the 10mm)
John Parker
July 15, 2010, 08:13 AM
I sometimes carry a 357sig because it would give you the ability to shoot through a car windshield.
9mm goes through a car windshield. I've done it both from inside and from outside.
Dnaltrop
July 15, 2010, 01:02 PM
I'm "blessed" to be tall, making a great swath of Full sized guns small enough to almost entirely hide in my hand. (and making many small guns, doorways, cars etc a complete Pain)
.45 Revolver at the bedside safe unlocked while I sleep, next to the .40 M&P that rests at the small of my back right now until I go feel up a variety of IWB for comfort before laying down my money.
JoeSlomo
July 15, 2010, 03:11 PM
Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense?
Full size 1911 .45 ACP....
- Ergonomics fit my hand very comfortably.
- Control features I like, where I like them to be.
- Sturdy with weight that aids in recoil management.
- Easy and fast to fire.
- Reliable, and accurate enough to land percentage shots on masked targets well beyond common defensive ranges.
- Sleek, easy to conceal.
- Large, heavy, slow round provides good penetration and generally not as prone to deflection as some of the smaller faster rounds.
- I use it for defense, training, and in competition for familiarity and proficiency.
To each their own...
Prosser
July 15, 2010, 08:26 PM
Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense?
Just like the title says... Why do you choose the gun and caliber you use for defense? This is for carry or for home defense or even reasons for both. This is not a caliber bashing thread, rather it is a pro "what I carry" thread.
Trial and error, and changing theories.
When I first went shooting, I got to shoot all the self-defense calibers, except the .40/10MM, not invented yet, and went to .45 ACP like a duck to water.
Liked small and powerful, and, ended up with a Detonics Mark VI in 451 Detonics level loads, 200 grains, 1200 fps, speer flying ashtrays. These worked very well, leaving some very large holes in bad guys.
Next, for home defense, a 45 Colt, with heavy loads. Ocean for a back stop.
The 45 Colt was under the pillow, allowing me a chance to get to the M1A and AR15 under the bed. Also had Mac 10 45's around, with silencer. That was the first choice, but, that was long ago, and, they are no longer legal.
32 rounds, 7000 grains in under 2 seconds, in a very small apartment, with near no noise was certainly appealing.
As I moved, stayed with the .45 Colt SA.
Now, we have bigger guns. .475 and .510" Linebaughs with expanding bullets give you a 2 bore sized hole, with .44 mag recoil, at 2 bore velocities, or more. I still have 45 Supers around, and, 7.62 x 54R Mosin Nagant M44 is my favorite, light in the house defense rifle. Easy to handle, combat trigger, bayonnet, and good sites.
For carry, we live in a police state, so, it has to be deep concealment.
The best for that is the Kahr PM9. I would like a PM40, but figure the difference in capacity and punch isn't worth another caliber. I can accurately shoot the PM9 headshots, at combat ranges. The other was a scandium 360PD. With medium .357's its body shoots only at combat ranges.
The smiths are the only gun I can really throw in a pocket.
I've changed in a way. I keep electronic muffs within reach, and a vest on the end of the bed. Everyone complains about the blast of the .357.
The more I thought about it, the more I like the idea. It's like setting off a flashbang in an apartment. Disorient, deafen, blind, and they get shot.
What's NOT to like about that? If the .357 is bad, what about a light bullet .475 or .500 load? 2 bore rifle hitting, without the penetration, and a huge flashbang.
Yes, I know, this isn't the average philosophy. Also, the guns I like shooting are the ones I think I should be using for defense, since I am more likely to hit my target with them.
searcher451
July 16, 2010, 12:12 PM
For me, it's no great mystery at all. The ammo that I use is designed for the pistols that I use for self-defense, and I choose the pistols first ... because they best fit my hand and eye and because I'm good enough with them through long years of practice to protect myself and my family. My primary self-defense round is 9mm because my primary self-defense pistol is a alther P99C.
Shadowdancer
July 16, 2010, 04:13 PM
I don't always carry, but when I do, it is a Sig P238. It is light enough to not even notice. It is thin enough that no one else notices. I'm accurate enough with that that I know I would hit whatever I was aiming at. And it is comfortable to shoot so that I get enough practice with it. My previous carry gun was a S&W Airlite 38 +P. Shooting it was like having someone pull a cheese grater out of my hand.
167
July 16, 2010, 09:07 PM
I carry a G22 to maintain continuity with what I have to use at work and because I get free ammo from work:)
Drail
July 16, 2010, 10:20 PM
Listen very carefully to people who have shot large dangerous animals and lived to tell about it. Elmer Keith is a good example. Ross Seyfried is another. I personally carry a .44 Spl. with cast SWC handloads.
Sapper771
July 17, 2010, 08:41 AM
I carry Glock pistols: Durable, reliable, lightweight, combat accurate, simple, easy to field strip, easy to detail strip, easy to clean, not ammo dependent, tenifer , strong aftermarket support, proven.
I carry a Glock 17 most of the time. If not the G17, then I carry the G19 or G26. Having the three sizes of the same platform gives me a decent level of flexibility. The G17 magazines will work with all three sizes. The G17 has the same external dimensions as my duty weapon (G31). The G17 has a healthy mag capacity of 17+1 rounds, with the option of using mag extensions or the G18 33 round magazines.
The 9mm cartridge is reasonably cheap to buy, cheap to reload, easy to reload, widespread useage both here and abroad, is a NATO caliber, and is effective if paired with proper shot placement. I like it personally because it is economical.
jonboynumba1
July 17, 2010, 09:14 AM
My daily CCW is a GLOCK 23 .40 because in a Bianchi 82 carrylock -it's the smallest lightest thing I trust that my big hands fit and is still in a decent caliber. I've been shooting GLOCK so long that it's second nature...I like 1911's more on the range...in the real world of daily carry GLOCK is lighter and more reliable IME. My cold weather/going to the woods sometimes carry piece is a GLOCK 21SF in a DeSantis speed scabbard (largely because it has the stupid piccatinny rail and it's hard to find anything that fits it without spending an arm and a leg...I THINK the newer 82 carryloks MIGHT fit it now...will find out next time I order. Both carry 13+1 capacity in a caliber that starts with "4"! Both have polished internals and 3.5# connectors netting a decent 4-4.5# trigger. Both have wolf one piece non captive guide rods...the 21 runs a stock 17# wolf spring....the 23 a +1 19pound. I'ce carried plenty of 9mm's as well...I generally preffer a .45 but a .40 packs better....I may retire the 23 eventually with a KHAR PM45...just haven't found a deal on one yet. The caliber isn't really that important as long as it's one of those 3 and I have ammo I like...I'm least picky about .45 ammo...I find it the most fun to shoot...though a 1911 wins over the 21 SF for range work! I'll build another one up eventually.
I just added a Ruger Super BlackHawk 7.5" .44 in blue yesterday....cause it's purdy and I want to handgun hunt mostly this Fall...and while I've been thinking about a 10mm barrel for the 21....well I traded into it no cash amd it's aweful pretty....may end up hunting BOTH! So I have a fun weekend at the range planned!
oldfool
July 17, 2010, 09:35 AM
in all cases, "shootability"... what works for me in my own hand, and throws 'em where I think I want 'em to go
for casual wear
Colt Government 380 acp, super easy IWB carry, enough handle, enough barrel, and enough weight to point and shoot real well, plain vanilla grade FMJ
for often rides with me in vehicle
older model Rossi SS revolver, 4" six-shooter, very reliable, stands up to in vehicle conditions real well w/ minimalist maintenance, no major financial loss if ever unfortunate enough to have it stolen whilst in the store or chow down, any plain vanilla grade 38sp round
for at home
S&W 66, 6" revolver, 38+P JHP, enough gun to get it done
for in her "purse"
Ruger 3" SP101, 38+P JHP
for zombie black russian attack squirrel invasions
his & hers 357 mag lever actions, 357 JHP
for rabid whitetail attack deer
30-30 lever action
Hunter125
July 17, 2010, 06:14 PM
I just got my first pistol, a SA XDm 3.8" in .40 S&W. I chose the XDm because I wanted a gun that I felt I could safely carry in Condition I like a Glock, but I do not care much for my dad's G17. The XDm has many added features that the Glocks don't as well like the chamber indicator, the cocked indicator, the backstrap safety, and interchangable grips. This was my first pistol, so I wanted it to be a somewhat all around gun for a while.
I chose .40 S&W because it seemed a pretty good compromise between 9mm and .45 ACP. I read somewhere that with lighter loads, the .40 mimics the ballistics of the 9mm and with heavier loads, it mimics the .45, so I figured it would be a good all around round without sacrificing too much capacity.
Since I live in the great state of Illinois, I can't carry period. Stupid Chicago. Otherwise I would be carrying it full time.
I also have a Remington 870 stocked with 00 buckshot in the bedroom at home.
Planning on getting a small carry pistol like a Kel-Tec or Kahr, but until I get out of Illinois it's kind of a moot point anyway.
Rexster
July 17, 2010, 06:53 PM
In the beginning, I chose the 1911 and .45 ACP because I grew up in a non-gun household, and therefore had to learn about firearms by reading. Historically, the 1911 had been used by Cpl. Alvin York in his heroic feat, and had been favored by many other men who used them in historically documented accounts. (I am a history buff, from an early age.) Then, as I approached the age I could buy a pistol, I read the writings of such men as LTC Jeff Cooper and Mas Ayoob, who favored the 1911. (Yes, Mas was a proponent of the 1911 and .45 ACP at the time.)
Later, I had to use revolvers as a rookie LEO, and made it a point to really learn the platform, even if I thought sixguns were becoming obsolete. Thanks to excellent academy instructors, plus reading the writings of such folks as Bill Jordan, Skeeter Skelton, and Jim Cirillo, I grew to really appreciate sixguns. I still occasionally use large/medium-framed sixguns, but more often use SP101s these days. I have actually fired a hot .357 Magnum in self-defense, and am satisfied that it performs well. There is nothing obsolete about revolvers.
I reverted to .45 ACP 1911s for duty and personal-time concealed carry for a while. I have kept my best 1911, a Baer TRS, though it has been relegated to a recreational weapon for now.
I am presently required to carry a .40 autoloader as a primary duty pistol. When I first switched, I could have used a G22, a P229, a Beretta 96G, or an obscure decock-only 3rd-Gen S&W, the model number now forgotten. I liked the P229 the best, but settled for a G22, for monetary reasons, and because I couldn't seem to really be able to reach the SIG's trigger in DA mode. (I must buy my own duty firearms.)
In 2004, I got to handle a P229 with a short factory trigger, and was able to reach the trigger just fine. The first shooting session confirmed that the P229 is a much better pistol for me than a G22. As I built skill, it seemed the P229 may be a better pistol for me than a 1911. Time will tell if I ever go back to the 1911 as a first-line, go-to pistol.
Even though the .40 S&W is my mandated duty cartridge, I do like it quite a bit. I had briefly experimented with a .40 BHP when they were introduced. I don't believe there is much, if any difference in on-target performance between the .45 ACP and .40 S&W, and since I believe shot placement trumps the tiny difference in bore diameter, by far, I will stay with .40, and the P229, for now, rather than divide my training time and budget between two dissimilar platforms. Notably, my SIGs and revolvers complement each other; practice with one aids my performance with the others. (My main carry/duty SIGs have DAK triggers, which mimic S&W/Ruger revolvers' trigger pulls.)
The P229 is big enough to be a duty pistol, and small enough to be a concealed-carry gun most of the time. The SP101 can handle real magnum loads without killing my hand, and the factory grip LOCKS into my grip like no other handgun. Life is good!
oldbear
July 17, 2010, 07:43 PM
The .357 Magnum, why? Because it's a proven fight stopper.:cool:
David E
July 17, 2010, 11:31 PM
I think a lot of people carry guns that are too small to shoot well. I would recommend shooting an IDPA match with your carry gear to make sure it works for you.
Good idea, but many of the calibers that folks carry (.32, .380) are not allowed in IDPA or USPSA. Besides, why risk findng out that you're not as good as you think? ;)
I draw my line at 9mm with premium JHP ammo. IMNTOHO, there is no reason to ever go smaller, given today's guns, unless you simply cannot control 9mm or larger. (and that is mainly a practice/technique issue)
Currently, I'm packing a .45 Kimber Lightweight Compact, as I shoot it fairly well and it's pretty easy to carry and conceal.
inthelineofire
July 18, 2010, 12:00 AM
.45- because shooting twice is silly.
TheProf
July 18, 2010, 08:42 AM
It's probably easier to answer this not on the basis of caliber alone...but on a "weapon systems" level.
I have chosen the two:
1. A lightweight j-frame (.38 +P). It's on the "effective enough" caliber level. The revolver is fool proof. Highly dependable in an emergency. It's small enough to carry in most settings.... yet large enough gun to hang on to in a stressful situation.
I would add carrying the LCP in (.380) as back-up.
2. On occasions when it is possible, I prefer to carry the Glock 27 in (.40 cal), with one or two reloads. When I consider the size of many criminals (younger, stronger, bigger due to muscle and fat), I feel better armed with a .40 cal.
jackpinesavages
July 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
Politics and ergonomics: most of my weapons are made in the U.S.A. by companies that support the US Military and LEO with excellent weapons, and then one of their creations has to fit MY hands. After that, the last 5 years of internet resources has really made things easy for researching customizers and long distance gunsmiths. Shipping my M&Ps off to Dan Burwell guarantees a product returned that is up to my specs of performance and being easy on the eyes.
Now, you might ask, why in the world would you mix such a goofy political ideation into your fun gun hobby? Without the guarantors and protectors of our rights, freedoms, and liberties I would be using our weapons to fight an oppressive government that is more and more corporation controlled. Literally. Look around the world. We are spoiled and take our freedoms for granted. We cannot ASSUME that tomorrow when we wake up that the Bill of Rights will still be there, or that our local Law Enforcement officers were up all night taking care of bad guys: they need our support in ANY fashion you find is right for YOU to deliver it to them.
I can use ANY pistol or long-gun for self defense effectively with lots of practice and studying the mechanics of the weapon, IF it fits my/my wife's hands and I enjoy practicing with it. Those are 5 Smith and Wessons and one recently purchased FNP. .22, 9mm, 10mm, .40 and .45. Plus a Dan Wesson 44 Mag CTG that is one of the most pleasurable 44 Mags to shoot with 44Special loads. AN STI Target Master in .45 which is again, the pleasure side of heaven for shooting .45 ACP at 50+ yards. They have gotta be fun to shoot 200 rounds through at each range visit. They have gotta make me stand back and say WOW, that is great to shoot! It's another great day to be an American!!:)
Prosser
July 18, 2010, 11:09 PM
Prof:
With the S@W autolock, your revolver is NOT fool proof. Mine locked up tight, and took a gunsmith to fix.
David E
July 18, 2010, 11:49 PM
With the S@W autolock, your revolver is NOT fool proof. Mine locked up tight, and took a gunsmith to fix.
Oh? We need details !
What did the 'smith do after he took it apart?
jbkebert
July 19, 2010, 12:08 AM
Browning BDA .380. For me its a great combination of concealabilty, capacity, and accuracy. 13 rounds of .380 in a mid-sized package very accurate.
Nine Lives
July 19, 2010, 01:41 AM
HK USP compact in .45 for carry, I love HK's reliability and the compact's thinner than a g19 with 8+1 rounds of .45, which I chose simply because it's a proven cartridge and I shoot it the best out of any others, which is really all that matters.
For times I absolutely need the smallest, I take my Walther PPK in .380.
I keep my FN SLP in 12 gauge loaded for HD purposes.
Prosser
July 19, 2010, 02:05 AM
The design of the lock made it likely that under heavy recoil, in a light gun, that it would lock the gun up.
Not designed for a light, heavy recoiling gun, properly.
Ichiro
July 19, 2010, 06:35 PM
XD subcompacts in 9mm; two of them.
Why the XD subcompact?
* Fits my hands well
* Points quicker for me than larger guns
* Easy to carry
* High capacity (14 or 17)
* No safety switch or decocker
* 100% reliable
* I shoot it better than any other handgun I've owned or rented
Why the 9mm?
* High capacity in a compact gun (14 or 17)
* Good enough ballistics with 124-gr +P
* Cheap steel-cased Russian practice fodder
* I don't enjoy time spent reloading or shopping for components, but I do like to put 1,000 rounds a month through my carry guns
I also like the Remington 870 in 12 gauge, and have two of those as well. I consider them backup guns for home defense, because one of my XDs will always be closer.
Prosser
July 19, 2010, 07:59 PM
Just a quick note:
In **********, they have pretty much made the large calibers the best choice. 9mm magazines over 10 rounds are illegal, so you might as well carry a .40 or .45.
Deaf Smith
July 19, 2010, 09:47 PM
Long time ago I shot IPSC alot. I do mean alot.
Most of the other guys used 1911s (as I did at first, being a Jeff Cooper fan) but I noticed that 1911s jammed an awful lot in the matches (this was in the late 70s and all the way to 1990.)
Well I sure got tired of my Colt 1911 choking just when I'm flying along on a stage. In fact one guy got so pissed when his 1911 jammed he threw the mag over the backstop.
So I went to a Browning High Power. Yes P-35. Yes 9mm. I won a lot of matches not because I was a real top shot (I did make class A though with that P-35) but because my gun never failed! It just chugged and chugged and chugged but no jams!
I got to prize reliability a lot because of that. But the P-35 bites the hand that feeds it in my case.
And along came the Glocks. Yes Glocks. Dang thing worked even better than the P-35 (as if that were possible) and fit my hand better. Plus it never bit me like either a 1911 or a P-35. Used it for many years in IDPA and some in IPSC. I know the system as well as the P-35 (if not better.)
As for the 9mm .vs. 45 debates, sure the .45 is better. I agree with that. But the 9mm, in JHP form today, ain’t bad, and is easier to control. Yes I have .45s, and I have .40s, and .357 Sig, and .357 magnums, etc… And shoot them to.
But since I do pack that gun everyday I find the Glock 26 fits right. Mine has a grip reduction done by Bowie Tactical Concepts and it fits perfect in my hand. Hinnie night sights, NY-1 + 3.5 connector, and FIST IWB holster. 10 and 12 shot Glock mags loaded with +P+ Winchester 127 gr. Ammo.
It’s good to go and I have no doubt it will do it’s part if I do mine.
Deaf
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