Baretta Neos vs Colt Woodsman
mrmeval
July 12, 2006, 06:43 PM
I've been looking through picture and the grip angle is the same, the sculpted grips are the same. If I were to hide the colors on the Neos with bakelite or brown plastic and remove the swept trigger guard I'd be hard pressed to see much difference in the shape. The magazines look the very similar.
The mechanism is different but not normally visible.
Colt
http://www.coltparts.com/pt_woodsmantarget1.html
http://www.egsw.com/guns/collection/woodsman6.htm
Neos
http://www.berettausa.com/product/product_pistols_main.htm
I could rip the rubber out and inlay wood veneer. :neener:
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usp9
July 12, 2006, 08:32 PM
I own both a Beretta Neos and a Colt Woodman Match target. Believe me, there is NO comparison other than they are both .22s. One is cut from diamond hard steel so polished it slides like ice. One only needs to think "trigger squeeze" and a round lands on target. The Neos, on the other hand is a nice plinker.
Browns Fan
July 13, 2006, 07:49 AM
usp9, which one are you talking about?
mrmeval
July 13, 2006, 08:07 AM
I don't know either, the only plastic on the Neos is the grip. The rest is steel.
On the Neos DLX the trigger overtravel can be adjusted and there are some tips on making the trigger better. Eventually someone will come out with a trigger kit for it.
Onmilo
July 13, 2006, 10:11 AM
Angles and similar magazines aside I have to agree that there is no real comparison.
I owned a Colt Huntsman 4" that was accurate beyond all reason, that pistol should not have shot as well as it did but it would amaze me every time and do it without stutter.
A friend owns a very old Colt Match Target, elephant ear grips and all that will still shoot and group on par with my much, much, newer Model 41 and the gun is every bit of fifty years old, still going strong.
Ask this question again in fifty years, somebody might vaguely remember that Neos pistol then.
mrmeval
July 13, 2006, 07:31 PM
I made no claims wrt accuracy just looks and was pointing out the similarities. The other poster has shot both and did make a claim but until I am able to test both I'll hold off prejudging the colt.
My comparison was pointing out that people call the Neos a 'space' pistol when it looks like the colt with colored grips. I made no claims as to their comparative accuracy. I could put a long scope rail and blue grips on the colt and who'd know the difference?
The colt of course swiped it's design from JMB but then everyone does.
:neener:
harvester of sorrow
July 13, 2006, 07:45 PM
The colt of course swiped it's design from JMB
I believe you'll find that Browning actually sold that design to Colt.
Majic
July 13, 2006, 07:56 PM
Colt didn't swipe the design. JWB was working with Colt during that time period. He along with 2 others designed the original pistol and Colt produced it.
usp9
July 13, 2006, 09:04 PM
...Colt didn't swipe the design. JWB was working with Colt during that time period. He along with 2 others designed the original pistol and Colt produced it.
...and they created a fine masterpiece. The Beretta is a nice pistol, but side by side one is a Farrari and one is a Ford.
mrmeval
July 14, 2006, 05:39 AM
The colt cadet is U22 with some minor differences. The mags are cheaper than Berettas.
I really seem to have stirred up indignation with the comparison.
Dr.Rob
July 14, 2006, 07:21 AM
The Colt Cadet was a shadow of the Woodsman at best.
True it looks similar to the Neos, but in my experience it couldn't outshoot a Ruger Mk2. The Woodsman was on par with Ruger's target model Mk1 and High Standard Military.
mrmeval
July 14, 2006, 10:29 AM
I've never had a chance to shoot the Woodsman. The Woodsman is very different inside and more collectable than I can afford right now as is the one I have wanted, the High Standard Victor.
The cadet differences are the lower frame and the molded grip looks more traditional.
This is a breakdown drawing of the Cadet
http://www.coltparts.com/pt_colt22cadet.html
It is virtually the same internally as my neos. I wonder who actually designed it. Other articles say the magazines for the cadet work in the neos but stick out a bit. For the price I'm going to try one.
another okie
July 14, 2006, 10:59 AM
I have a NEOS. It's a fun plinker. At first it was very unreliable and then I found a little burr on the slide that was keeping it from going into battery occasionally. Now that the burr is gone it's reasonably reliable with full power ammo. I put a red dot on it. But the workmanship and accuracy are not up to Colt standards, or to the standards of my Rugers.
Art Eatman
July 14, 2006, 11:42 AM
Life's too short to own ugly guns! :D
I have three 6" Woodsman types: A late-model Match-Target, my grandmother's plain-vanilla Type 1, and my ex-wife's Huntsman. They all shoot great. IMO, the 6" barrel gives a better balance than the 4", although I'd like to try a 4" Match Target.
Art
Punkermonkey
July 14, 2006, 11:55 AM
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sm
July 14, 2006, 12:01 PM
Life's too short to own ugly guns!:D
http://www.colt22.com/
Like the saying says, "a man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion."
:)
mrmeval
July 14, 2006, 04:29 PM
I don't consider any of them ugly and will gladly take any Neos anyone happens to have lying around. :neener: Finding a Woodsman in my price range that's not beat to death is not easy but I wouldn't mind one. What I would like is a High Standard Victor, the ones I've seen but not been able to afford.
It would take very little to make the Neos look like a Colt or vice versa. I don't like the way round barrels on either frame look, seems odd. I like the way the slab side barrels look. Eventually I'll have a bettter idea of what the 7.5" DLX can do but it will be a while.
Does Colt make any .22 now?
Wes Janson
July 15, 2006, 01:46 AM
I don't believe I've ever had the fortune of owning or shooting a Woodsman, but I've handled them on occasion, and I'm fairly familiar with the Neos ;) The latter is a fun plinker, looks spacey, but the trigger pull isn't anything to write home about. It's got some nice features to it, but it just doesn't have the same élan as an old Colt. I just want to know where the heck that carbine conversion kit for the Neos disappeared off to.
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