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mrmeval
July 14, 2006, 08:30 AM
1911Tuner,

I'd like to know everything you'd recommend be done to build up a 1911 from scratch for a carry weapon. I'd also like to know what you'd charge for that.
I doubt I can afford it but it would be nice to know. :)

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1911Tuner
July 14, 2006, 11:15 PM
Well...I raely ever build one up starting with all new parts, but I think if was gonna go that route, I'd start with a Caspian frame and slide set. Get a Brownells catalog and start shoppin'. Whenever you have 2 identical parts from the same vendor, always opt for the more expensive of the two. Brown hardcore hammers come either cast or machined barstock, f'rinstance. The difference in price is small. Nowlin Pro-Match sears work well with that hammer, BTW. Sadly, Briley caved in to the "Cast is just as good" approach, and their excellent machined disconnects are no longer available, and I got the last three that Brownells had in stock, and no ya can't have'em.:neener:
The good news is that their cast disconnects are nicely done, though the one that I'm currently testing hasn't seen enough use to make a call on...yet.

EGW firing pin stop, fitted to a light press-fit and with a 5/64ths or smaller radius...EGW markets a very good checkered cast slidestop, but I don't care for the smallish locking tab. Brown Hardcore is also good, but no longer checkered. I like Smith & Alexander mainspring housings with lanyard loop.
A little cheaper without the loop. All are cast.

Colt sear springs, plunger assemblies, and Colt pins...available in the factory parts section. Wolff mainsprings and firing pin springs, and Wolff or ISMI recoil springs. ISMI lasts longer. Wolff is a little cheaper by the 10-pack. 16-18 pound range...and 14 if you plan on loading light stuff. Don't get sucked into the light mainspring crap, hoping for a better trigger. Stick with 21-23 pounds.

sm
July 15, 2006, 02:28 AM
With a 1911Tuner made gun...

Forget the logo'd gun case, video tape, logo gun oil...

You not only get to bring home a 1911, also a 4 legged furry friend.

Wolffe springs for the magazines...

"Woof...Woof" springs to the gate to see you come home. :)

Azrael256
July 15, 2006, 04:26 AM
Sadly, Briley caved in to the "Cast is just as good" approach, and their excellent machined disconnects are no longer available And if someone were to have a machinist friend who owes me he would want one made of what steel?

medmo
July 15, 2006, 05:05 AM
Grip safety? Thumb safety? Trigger?

mrmeval
July 15, 2006, 06:48 AM
Barrels are made from 4140, 4150 and 4340 chrome moly or 416 stainless but I can't find what a frame or slide should be made from.

I do know that realiability depends on grain structure
http://www.thegunzone.com/m1akb/762r.html

1911Tuner
July 15, 2006, 10:43 AM
>>Grip safety? Thumb safety? Trigger?<<
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I like the old USGI thumb safeties, or the early commercial Colts. Like the early milled, one-piece triggers...long or short. Happy huntin'! Aftermarket thumb and grip safeties and triggers are all pretty much a toss-up.

Mrmeval...Call Caspian to see what they use. I believe that all their frames are now cast.

Old Fuff
July 15, 2006, 12:11 PM
If folks would take the time to add up the cost of all of these "quality" aftermarket parts... :eek:

They might see the advantage of buying a pre-1970 Colt that has the correct parts in it in the first place. Sure these guns are getting expensive, but occasionally one finds a good buy becuse of a little finish wear (carried much/shot little) or maybe some funky aftermarket target sights (which can be replaced or melted into the slide).

I have built guns using Caspian frames and slides - and I recommend them highly. But I had the advantge of having a stock of genuine Colt or USGI lockwork parts that were made back when they were made right. Today, If I had to buy - for retail prices - those same parts I'd have second thoughts. :scrutiny:

JeffC
July 15, 2006, 04:04 PM
Damn, thought I missed a memo or something :evil:

I like Caspian stuff, they are almost a one stop shop.

But then again, buying everything at once with one phone call would be boring in my opinion.

Old Fuff
July 15, 2006, 04:20 PM
They might see the advantage of buying a pre-1970 Colt that has the correct parts in it in the first place. Sure these guns are getting expensive, but occasionally one finds a good buy becuse of a little finish wear (carried much/shot little) or maybe some funky aftermarket target sights (which can be replaced or melted into the slide).

Just to make my point, go to :

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=51769338

But you'd better hurry... Only 2 hours or so left. :eek:

mrmeval
July 15, 2006, 06:21 PM
Like this caspian? http://www.thegunzone.com/caspian_damascus.html
:what:
At least with damascus you know it's been forged. I think I'd prefer finding a forged and milled slide but doubt I could afford it.

They use We have changed to 4340 high carbon steel for its durability and, as always, machine only on billets preheat treated to the 38 - 41 Rockwell Range.

1911Tuner
July 15, 2006, 06:47 PM
I believe that all Caspian's slides are forged and machined. It's the frames that are cast, and it was fairly recently that they went to cast frames. IIRC, Ruger's Pine Tree Foundry is casting the frames for'em.

Jim Watson
July 15, 2006, 07:27 PM
Caspian says their slides are cut from "billets." I take that to mean barstock, not drop forgings.
My FLG said their early "billet" slides were not as close on dimension as their previous cast slides, but they have likely straightened that out by now.
Caspian started out with cast frames, added barstock, then went back to cast exclusively.

1911Tuner
July 15, 2006, 07:49 PM
There ya have it. One thing about Watson's information...He does his homework, and he's pretty much spot on.

Old Fuff
July 15, 2006, 08:14 PM
The Caspian frames I've used were all cast, and I never had any problems with any of them. The guns have stood up well too.

Ron Brooks
July 17, 2006, 12:34 PM
What barrels do you recommend?

steelhead
July 17, 2006, 12:52 PM
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