U.K. "An 'Aladdin's Cave' of drugs and guns"


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cuchulainn
May 3, 2003, 11:34 AM
If I counted right

one .38
one shotgun
six shotgun shells
45 unidentified cartridges (.38s?)

Well, OK, there was the crack too, but "hoard" and "Aladdins Cave"?

Yeah, I know, we've see this a million times in the U.S. media. "Captured with an arsenal of two bolt action .22s, 57 rounds and a Cub Scout pocket knife."

from Leeds Today

http://www.leedstoday.net/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=39&ArticleID=506346

An 'Aladdin's Cave' of drugs and guns

A DRUG dealer was starting a 10-year jail sentence today after police raided his house and found an "Aladdin's Cave" of weapons, drugs and cash.

The hoard had been skilfully hidden in the home of 28-year-old Otis Hibbert – known by the street name "Bugs" – in Hamilton Terrace, Chapeltown, Leeds, a court was told.

Hibbert, a father of three, was found guilty at Leeds Crown Court of three offences of unlawful possession of firearms and other charges of possession of ammunition without a firearms certificate and having crack cocaine with intent to supply. He admitted possession of cannabis.

Judge Shaun Spencer, QC, recommended Hibbert be deported to his homeland in Jamaica at the end of his sentence.

He told Hibbert: "I do not know whether these weapons were for you to use or you were warehousing them for others.

Detriment

"But if you were keeping them as an armourer that is serious enough in itself because of the quantity of the weapons."

The judge added: "It seems to me anyone convicted of gun crime is a continuing detriment to this country and, not withstanding your family circumstances, I make a recommendation for your deportation."

Richard Wright, prosecuting, said police officers carried out a dawn raid in October last year on Hibbert's home, where he had lived since moving to Britain in early 2000.

They found a false breeze block wall in the cellar, behind which was a loaded .38 calibre pistol.

Mr Wright said: "That was just the beginning as further examination, which included knocking down part of the false wall, revealed an Aladdin's Cave of weapons, ammunition and crack cocaine – a Class A drug – along with £8,000 in cash carefully sorted into £100 bundles then compiled into larger £1,000 bundles."

Mr Wright added: "Also found was a sawn-off shotgun, eight cartridges contained in a rubber glove, six shotgun cartridges and a further 37 cartridges and nearly eight grams of crack cocaine – that would break down into about 50 street deals and, the prosecution say, dealing in crack is what he was about.

"Some of those items were on shelves behind the partition wall but others, the shotgun cartridges, the crack and the cash, were in various plastic bags or containers which were tied to red string and hung behind the wall from a rafter.

"They were not obvious to someone peering through the gap into the darkness.

"The prosecution say Hibbert could reach through the gap, pull up his drugs and ammunition on the string and return them there to safe storage when he had finished with them.

"Indeed, the crack cocaine was in a Seven Seas Cod Liver Oil cannister tied to the string. Also in the cannister was a razor blade, no doubt for cutting the drugs."

A false passport was recovered and laminated cards used for drug dealing.

03 May 2003

All rights reserved © 2002 Johnston Press New Media.

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4v50 Gary
May 3, 2003, 12:25 PM
Punishment, deportation and banishment. Sounds just to me. We should do the same here.

mercedesrules
May 3, 2003, 01:25 PM
Possession, possession, possession; Who cares? :mad: Not me, I assure you. And these are our "allies"? They are tyrants.

MR

agricola
May 3, 2003, 01:47 PM
lol @ mercedes

freedom for the chapeltown one!

they'll probably confiscate the money as well :cool: :D

Sergeant Bob
May 3, 2003, 02:14 PM
one .38
one shotgun
six shotgun shells
45 unidentified cartridges (.38s?)
Hoard? I'd dare say most people on this board have a hoard of weapons. Oh, wait, OMG, he had drugs too!! . The great prophet Orwell was right.:uhoh:

Standing Wolf
May 3, 2003, 02:50 PM
The article neglects to mention what actual harm he did others.

atek3
May 3, 2003, 06:20 PM
I agree w/ wolf. Frankly as a entrepreneur whose products were deemed unacceptable by the government, he couldn't exactly call 911 to defend himself from goblins. So he "took the law into his own hands", by having firearms. Not big news here people.

atek3

agricola
May 3, 2003, 06:34 PM
yeah, the nasty-wasty pow-eece are bullying the poor man who only wanted to sell crack cocaine.

:D :D :D :D :cool:

btw SW you forgot your usual mantra....

atek3
May 3, 2003, 06:39 PM
make light of it all you want Agricola. When the JBT's kick in your door and put you on the news after "uncovering an 'Aladdin's Cave' of Guns and Right-wing paraphenalia" maybe you won't be so down on the PRIVATE activities of other people.

atek3

agricola
May 3, 2003, 07:05 PM
the man was a crack dealer, not a good ole boy

ten years and deportation is as good a sentence as i can think of

El Tejon
May 3, 2003, 07:10 PM
But where are the cell phones?:confused:

agricola
May 3, 2003, 07:17 PM
el tejon read:

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200001/cmhansrd/vo010122/text/10122w22.htm

from Australia:

http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/bocsar1.nsf/pages/cjb56text

or respond with glib remarks

El Tejon
May 3, 2003, 07:22 PM
Riiiiighteeo, again, if cell phones drive crime, where were his?:confused:

agricola
May 3, 2003, 07:32 PM
its like this:


he sells crack to someone

=

they get addicted to it

=

he sells them more crack

=

they run out of money

=

he wont give them it free

=

so they rob someone of their phone and sell it quickly for cash

=

to buy more crack off him

Chris Rhines
May 3, 2003, 07:37 PM
What? You mean that these eeeeevil crack dealers aren't going around forcing little kids to blaze up and gunpoint? All they do is offer a product for sale to those who are interested in buying? What sadistic, malevolent booger-heads!

:D

- Chris

atek3
May 3, 2003, 07:41 PM
don't throw him in jail because of the actions of someone else (the irresponcible drug user)


atek3

El Tejon
May 3, 2003, 08:04 PM
Aha! I knew some inert object such as cell phones were at the bottom of this conspiracy, or at least ag's post.

Maybe I should keep an eye on my cell phone?:uhoh:

Sergeant Bob
May 3, 2003, 08:04 PM
El Tejon, you really should read the first link Aggie posted. Pretty interesting stuff. Here's a little snip:

The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

Read the second one too. It may just change your mind about the root cause of evil in the world.

STOLEN MOBILE PHONES IN NEW SOUTH WALES (NSW)
The increase in mobile phone ownership has coincided with a dramatic increase in the number of incidents of mobile phone theft recorded each year.

Amazing stuff, really. Hey, Saddam Hussien had cell phones! That explains why we ousted him from power!

In a related story, researcher's have determined that the increase in car ownership has coincided with dramatic increase in the number of car thefts recorded each year.

El Tejon
May 3, 2003, 08:58 PM
Copy that, Sarge. I did and that's why I'm not leaving my cell phone on the nightstand any longer. Just too close to me!:uhoh:

cordex
May 4, 2003, 01:44 AM
And you think it's just a coincidence that since Agricola joined TFL, I haven't owned a cell phone?
Dastardly things. Why, I knew a guy who had a cell phone once. Caused his daughter to be raped. Went something like this:

Guy buys cell phone

Cell company hires employee

Employee fakes job related injury

Employee settles out of court

Employee holds party to celebrate his fraud

Friend comes over with some beer

Friend of a friend drinks said beer

Because friend of a friend is intoxicated, buddy of friend of a friend drives him home.

On the way, they're stopped by a police officer for excessive speed

Police officer decides not to give buddy a ticket because he was so nice and polite, but tells him to get friend of a friend home

Without the money from the ticket, jail has to release rapist

Rapist goes out and rapes the guy's daughter.

All because he bought a cell phone.

(just messin' with you aggie)

agricola
May 4, 2003, 06:29 AM
lol i guess some concepts are beyond you

hammer4nc
May 4, 2003, 09:03 AM
Interesting that Brit crime reporting would use the "Aladdin" reference. Seems their approach to crime prevention (i.e., unarmed victims) is analagous to rubbing Aladdin's lamp...how long before they realize the wish-granting genie has long since departed? "Those crime indices aren't REALLY increasing...they just changed the standards!" (rub-rub-rub):p

dustind
May 4, 2003, 09:38 PM
U.K. "An 'Aladdin's Cave' of drugs and guns"

...and the problem with guns, and drugs are?? (note I don't use drugs)

Anyone ever seen the sequal to "the attack of the killer tamatos?" A guy is sitting in a library and calmly says "tomato" and everyone gets up, starts screaming, and runs around hysterically.

I bet i could do the same thing in the UK by calmly saying "gun."

mercedesrules
May 8, 2003, 05:51 PM
(agricola)its like this:
he sells crack to someone
=
they get addicted to it
=
he sells them more crack
=
they run out of money
=
he wont give them it free
=
so they rob someone of their phone and sell it quickly for cash
=
to buy more crack off him

I thought the standard prohibition arguments would be well known on a liberty-minded board such as this. I guess I was wrong.
The only reason cocaine is expensive is due to its prohibition. In South America they have been chewing the leaves of the coca plant and making tea out of them for thousands of years. Anyone can "afford" this. No one would run out of money or need to rob or steal. Even now, when one visits Cuzco, Peru (on the way to Machu Pichu) they offer coca tea to visitors to combat the fatigue of high altitude. It's a freakin' plant...like Cannabis. Who can't afford leaves?? :confused:

The war on drugs has done more damage to our gun rights than any dozen legislators...of any party.

[joke poem]
Drug freedom scares agricola.
It's like smallpox or SARS or Ebola.
He wants his medication,
to be strictly rationed,
'Cause he thinks he'll become Coca-cola. [/joke poem] :)


MR

dustind
May 8, 2003, 08:05 PM
If we end the war on drugs, there will be no profit in drugs. It takes so few man hours to make a years supply of drugs for a person that you almost couldn't give them away. They would be worth their weight in food.

Most drugs are not harmful, the few that are, like meth, wouldn't exist if people who wanted drugs could easily get other kinds. If drugs were legal people could easily control their dosage vs body weight, and there would not be more than a few drug related deaths per year.

Like smoking and alcohol, if you make it legal, people, especially children, will use it safely. There are very few teen smokers or binge drinkers in countries where it is legal, and thus, no big deal.

Can anyone name a single reason to outlaw drugs?

note: DustinD does not smoke, drink, or use drugs, not even for medical reasons if at all possible.

Marko Kloos
May 8, 2003, 08:40 PM
dustind,

don't expect the Drug Warriors to remember the lessons of the Prohibition. They will insists that this is "totally different", and that legalizing drugs will cause "huge societal costs". They will use the same arguments as the Methodist Board of Temperance did in the 1920s, and the same arguments the anti-gunners use now. This country is afflicted with a terrible selective amnesia, which requires the relearning of lessons that have been learned in a painful fashion by the preceding generations. They don't realize that their particular pet prohibition is responsible for just about every Bill of Rights infringement since at least 1968.

They will insist to keep up this charade until nothing of our civil liberties remains. They will do so, because legalizing drugs would send the "wrong message". They will tolerate and support no-knock raids, asset forfeiture, and the imprisonment of millions of non-violent "criminals". They will hold the Zippo to the Bill of Rights with glee, as long as they are being perceived as righteous.

Shalako
May 8, 2003, 08:44 PM
If drugs were legalized, the big pharmaceutical companies (ie pfeizer, dow, dupont, bayer, monsanto) would be...really...bummed. Afterall, who would buy their wonder drugs? How would they be able to make a profit off an un-patented plant? How could they pimp their buddies at the FDA to regulate a doseage of leaves?

Oh the humanity!

I for one stay awake at night worrying about the financial health of said big pharmaceutical companies.....:rolleyes:

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