Illinois: "To solve the problem of violence, we can't be gun-shy "


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cuchulainn
May 3, 2003, 12:15 PM
Typical "22-times more likely" claptrap, blah blah blah

from the Chicago Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/output/ontiveros/cst-edt-sue03.html

To solve the problem of violence, we can't be gun-shy

To solve the problem of violence, we can't be gun-shy

May 3, 2003

BY SUE ONTIVEROS SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

It's not even summer. Heck, it's not really even all that warm. Yet once again, we're seeing children in Chicago terribly injured and killed in shootings. Once again, we find ourselves searching for ways to stop the carnage, and the clock is ticking. Soon summer--always the most violent of seasons--will be upon us.

Reasons for the violence have been suggested. Gangs and drugs are a big problem--no doubt about it. Too many people without jobs. Yep.

A lot of suggestions have been made. Send more cops into high-crime areas. Sounds like a plan, although certainly one with political ramifications. Spend more money on pre-school and after-school programs, giving at-risk kids alternatives to gangs. More good ideas. A buy-back program to get weapons off the street. Something else to be investigated carefully.

However, I feel as if we're all walking around the 2-ton elephant in the room: the guns themselves. Without talking about the guns, we're missing a big part of the problem. ''A lot of [the recent violence] has to do with the proliferation and availability of guns,'' said Tom Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

Actually, we have seen a decrease in gun-related homicides in the last 10 years, according to Mannard. There were 2,000 fewer gun deaths from 1999 to 2000 in this country. However, we're still talking about a shameful number--28,000--of gun-related deaths in the United States.

We've also seen a decrease in the actual number of registered gun owners in that same time period. What we haven't seen is a decrease in the number of guns sold, Mannard said.

''More guns are bought by a smaller group of individuals,'' he said.

And with so many guns still out there, and easily available, it's no wonder we have innocent children being shot while sitting on porches or cleaning their neighborhoods.

It's relatively simple to buy guns, guns and more guns. Mannard told me I'd have no problem getting a license to sell guns. In no time, I could be buying and selling them, and all I'd have to do is keep track of whom I sold them to; that's it. So if one of my buyers decided to sell them on the street to the first person who had a grudge, there would be no real safeguards.

There are some real tough issues we have to grapple with concerning guns if we really want to stop the gun-related deaths and injuries.

Yes, many of the shooters buy their guns illegally, but Mannard, a man with many hard numbers to back up his words, knows that another problem is guns in the home. Too many of the guns people keep for their own security are used to cause the human carnage.

''There is a much greater risk of having a gun in the home than the security it will provide,'' Mannard said. That gun is 22 times more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting than it is to offer personal protection, Mannard said.

''Guns are not an [electronic] security system for your home,'' he said.

If, after knowing the risks involved with gun ownership, parents still want a gun in their home, Mannard said it is imperative for them to keep that gun locked and stored properly. Don't be so naive as to think your kid would never touch that gun.

''There's always a chance your own children will use that gun in a way no parent would ever approve of,'' he said.

Education about the dangers of guns is an important component in this current discussion, Mannard said. For close to 30 years, his group has worked to educate people on gun violence. He wouldn't mind help in that area from others, either. Church leaders could spend some time in the pulpit urging their congregations to get rid of their guns. Educators can keep discussing it in the schools. Law enforcement could make it a part of the way they combat this latest string of shootings.

There's a lot we can say and do about the recent violence. But to not talk about the guns is ignoring a big part of the problem.

Copyright 2003, Digital Chicago Inc.

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CZ-75
May 3, 2003, 12:27 PM
This is Journalism? :rolleyes:

Using one source, representing a single viewpoint?


Jeesh! :barf:

El Tejon
May 3, 2003, 12:33 PM
Oh, yeah, "availability of guns" causes violence. Let's see when I lived in Chicago I saw a gun shoppe on every corner. No wonder the murder rate was so high.:rolleyes:

If only Chicago had just a couple of reasonable, pro-children gun laws, there would be no murders.

Standing Wolf
May 3, 2003, 03:00 PM
That gun is 22 times more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting than it is to offer personal protection, Mannard said.

It's time and long past time for the leftist extremists to concoct some new lies. The old lies are awfully shopworn.

Miss Demeanors
May 3, 2003, 04:46 PM
Education about the dangers of guns is an important component in this current discussion, Mannard said. For close to 30 years, his group has worked to educate people on gun violence. He wouldn't mind help in that area from others, either. Church leaders could spend some time in the pulpit urging their congregations to get rid of their guns. Educators can keep discussing it in the schools. Law enforcement could make it a part of the way they combat this latest string of shootings.


How to be a sheeple 101 :rolleyes:

Boats
May 3, 2003, 04:59 PM
My quote: "A columnist for a Chicago newspaper is 22 times more likely than average to be a foaming-at-the-mouth moron."

Attribution? I don't need no stinkin' attribution, because I am an activist and I know these things!

Feanaro
May 3, 2003, 05:22 PM
''There's always a chance your own children will use that gun in a way no parent would ever approve of,'' he said.

There was always a chance of that when I was a child. But I never touched the shotgun lying next to the fireplace. My father made it perfectly clear what might happen if I used it. I might hurt someone else or myself. And if he caught me, he would beat my ***. I never touched it without asking. It worked fine. Perhaps if you would teach children about weapons then you wouldn't have such a problem.

Airwolf
May 3, 2003, 05:38 PM
:barf::barf::barf::barf:

atek3
May 3, 2003, 05:54 PM
i've heard the 43 times quote but this 22 times quotes is a new one on me, can anyone show the source?

atek3

zahc
May 3, 2003, 06:09 PM
"It's relatively simple to buy guns, guns and more guns. Mannard told me I'd have no problem getting a license to sell guns. In no time, I could be buying and selling them, and all I'd have to do is keep track of whom I sold them to; that's it."


Oh my! The horror!

He says that like he has a problem with economic freedom. Why doesn't he just leave, he doesn't like america.

cuchulainn
May 5, 2003, 12:00 AM
atek,

Both the 43 and 22 are Kellerman. The 22 came later. The 43 counted deaths only and the 22 counted deaths and injuries, IIRC

Both suffer from the same flaw of excluding the vast majority of defenisive gun uses, by counting only event in which someone got shot.

The 22 "study" is here
Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu. Rev. Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40

Sir Galahad
May 5, 2003, 12:14 AM
Look at how the article is written.

First, she says "no jobs" causes crime. No, criminals cause crime. Joblessness doesn't lead to criminal behavior. If it does, it leads to theft, not murder.

Second, she says sending police into high-crime areas is a good idea, but one with "political ramifications". Yes, like certain ethnic group members being arrested, leading to charges of "racism" and "profiling".

Next we have the term "at-risk kids". What makes "at-risk kids" are kids who have NO risk of being successfully prosecuted for the crimes they commit.

Throughout the article we see the "children" being repeated like a mantra. I especially liked the part about children being shot while "cleaning their neighborhoods". Yeah, those "at-risk" neighborhoods are so spotless you could eat right off the sidewalk. :rolleyes: If the "children" were so important, these people would be leading the charges to fry people who kill kids instead of holding candlelight vigils for murderers each time a state bumps off a scumbag by lethal injection which is a darn sight more humane than the dirtbags deserve.

twoblink
May 5, 2003, 04:25 AM
CZ... you obviously missed the memo in which they took the liberty of removing the "fair and objective" portion out of the news...:rolleyes:

If having guns are so unsafe... why is Switzerland's crime rates so low??? Why is there pretty much 0 crime in the white house, where the ratio of people to guns is more than 1 to 1??
:barf:

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