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Drizzt
July 18, 2006, 09:24 AM
County ordinance restricts firearms
Tuesday, July 04, 2006
By NATALIE CHAMBERS

GULF PARK ESTATES -- When Jewel Saucier complained to Supervisor John McKay about the routine gunfire near her home, she wanted action taken to stop it.

Saucier circulated a petition and gained two to three pages of signatures.

Her effort was rewarded Monday.

The Jackson County Board of Supervisors unanimously ap-proved an ordinance that prohibits discharge of a firearm or other weapon within 150 yards of a residence, building, campsite, development recreation site or occupied area.

And because of the grave risk considered to the public health and safety, the ordinance, considered an emergency action, is effective immediately.

"I was pleased with that," McKay said.

McKay said the ordinance "doesn't bar any weapon" but is a measure used to promote safe use of firearms.

A violation, considered a misdemeanor, may carry a jail sentence up to 90 days, up to a $1,000 fine or both.

McKay said the ordinance is similar to National Park Service regulations.

"We made ours fit theirs so it wouldn't be a difference in what you can do when you leave one area and go to another," he said.

The county's ordinance specifically states it is not designed to forbid peace officers from discharging weapons as necessary in the line of duty.

Supervisor Manly Barton said his initial concern pertained to distance, but "this is reasonable."

The ordinance is not being embraced by everyone.

Carroll Clifford, a former county supervisor and active member of the National Rifle Association, said he does not believe the ordinance will solve the problem.

"I guess (McKay) is trying to please somebody and somebody else he is not going to please," said Clifford.

Gun ownership, like car ownership, requires being responsible, said Clifford.

"I can understand it in subdivisions where houses are close together, but like in the country, I don't see really the purpose of it. They said the ordinance has to apply for the whole county," he said.

The ordinance does not apply if the firearm or other weapon is a shotgun, air rifle, pellet gun or a bow and arrow discharged on a tract of land 10 acres or more and more than 150 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property.

Provisions also do not apply if the firearm or other weapon is a center fire or rim fire rifle or pistol or a muzzle-loading rifle or any caliber discharged on a tract of land of 50 acres or more, and more than 300 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property.

"You can pass all the laws you want, but it won't stop anybody from shooting a gun. Also, you have to catch them doing it or somebody has to sign an affidavit. There are a lot of cities where there's gunfire all night long and they've got all kinds of ordinances prohibiting guns," said Clifford.

"I just think people being responsible is the whole thing," he said.

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Ira Aten
July 18, 2006, 10:01 AM
Now all they need is to vote to expand the area to one square mile, and they have effictively outlawed the use of firearms for any purpose other than an LEO discharging one.

They have made it illegal to use one to defend your home since your home is within 150 yards of itself.

Nice job.

Lou629
July 18, 2006, 10:17 AM
The 450 ft. rule has been the generally accepted ( and state mandated ) safety limit in PA and NJ for decades. I had presumed it was the minimum just about everywhere. Even if it wasn't, common sense / safety concerns should outweigh any minor inconvienence these limits may impose. This is a problem?

hso
July 18, 2006, 10:17 AM
They have made it illegal to use one to defend your home since your home is within 150 yards of itself.

No. It's buildings on other property, not your own.

The ordinance does not apply if the firearm or other weapon is a shotgun, air rifle, pellet gun or a bow and arrow discharged on a tract of land 10 acres or more and more than 150 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property.

Provisions also do not apply if the firearm or other weapon is a center fire or rim fire rifle or pistol or a muzzle-loading rifle or any caliber discharged on a tract of land of 50 acres or more, and more than 300 feet from a residence or occupied building located on another property.

What it does do is restrict property owners who own less than 50 acres from having a backyard pistol range regardless of having a berm or backstop.

Jadecristal
July 18, 2006, 02:13 PM
Still isn't enough to matter; both are well within the capability of pretty much every centerfire rifle. It still comes back to responsibility, and Rule 4. If you shoot a centerfire rifle at a house 151 ft away, on another property, you're still in deep trouble.

Their ordinace is silly, and won't change much of anything. Well, except to keep people without large tracts of land from legally enjoying firearms - something that I'm becoming more and more convinced is the only purpose to almost all of these foolish and misguided laws.

bg
July 18, 2006, 02:31 PM
It must have been drawn from some California law. After
all Cal is the unholy grail of back door gun extinction bills
and laws ! :rolleyes:

CNYCacher
July 18, 2006, 02:39 PM
NYS has had for a while a 500-foot rule, unless you have permission from the owner of the building. There is no minimum parcel size that I know of.

The guy that taught my hunter safety course gave the example of an old abandoned sugar shack in the woods that no one has been inside in 20 years and it's falling down. He said that even if it's behind you and you are aiming the other way at a huge 8-point buck but you are 495 feet from the shack, don't take the shot.

For what it's worth, if I were ever in that situation, that deer is going down. :neener:

mattw
July 18, 2006, 02:44 PM
i wouldn't worry about it, no one in jackson county will report that except for the one person who made up the dumb ordinance. I live in neighboring harrison county and we don't have any stupid ordinances like that as long as you're outside the city limits. I live out in the county and have neighbors maybe 200 yards or so from where I shoot in my back yard but as long as I let them know i'll be making a little noise they dont have any problem with it. gunfire is a very common noise to hear in rural south mississippi. just last night a couple friends and i were bs-ing in the bed of my truck drinking beer.. just sitting around and we hear 4 handgun shots that sounded to be behind us and about 300 yards away. not one person thought twice and the only thing that was said about it was from my friend steven.. "sounds like a handgun"

those ordinances will never be enforced

Their ordinace is silly, and won't change much of anything. Well, except to keep people without large tracts of land from legally enjoying firearms - something that I'm becoming more and more convinced is the only purpose to almost all of these foolish and misguided laws.

jadecristal, if you knew the people down here you would be even more disgusted at what the actual purpose of that ordinance is. i garuntee it has nothing to do with gun rights or anything like that.. its just some old ass hole that wants to control his/her neighborhood. Here in the south people think just because you live past 50 you've accomplished something magnificant and everyone younger than you owes you something and when these people don't get their way and your gunfire wakes up their cats or something they're going to get mad.

GAMALOT
July 18, 2006, 03:08 PM
I live in NY and my property borders State hunting preserve land. I have absolutely nothing against hunting or guns but I do have two bullet holes in my house.
I am not sure advocating farther distances would do anything because the long and short of it is alot of complete moorons have guns. A 30.06 can easily travel alot further then any set distance they might impose but the real fact is the holder of the gun should know what direction he is shooting and where his bullet will end up.
Too bad they don't have one simple rule when issueing gun permits, hunting liscenses or selling guns, OWNER MUST POSSESS A DEGREE OF COMMON SENSE!!!

Gary

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