[kjeff50cal]

I have in my ammo locker 3 .38 Spec. cartridges loaded by MMI. These rounds are rated +P, but that is not why they are unusual, they are multiple bullet loads, a jacketed hollow point stacked upon top of 2 lead wadcutter bullets:what: for a total of 200 grns.

I bought boxes of ten back in 1982 and they shot very close to each other as long as it was within 20 yards. They were my force multiplier when used in my Rossi 68 I used to carry at work. Imagine a legal 3 bullet burst at every pull of the trigger. Oh yeah they were kind of a hand full in that little gun.

[statelineblues]

I worked in a gun store in CT during the mid 80s, and I still have several boxes of that MMI in 9mm. These are duplex, 90 grain FMJ backed up by a (I think) 40 grain wadcutter. I had two as the last rounds in my S&W Mdl 39 (filled my mag with: 3 Glazer, 3 Hydra-Shok, 2 MMI). Also carried them in a little DA 9mm Derringer - painful to shoot, but effective.

[critter]

I AM NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS HERE-JUST PROVIDING INFORMATON!!

For the reloaders among us: be aware that a 000 buckshot pellet is about .357-.358 in diameter AND weighs approximately 70 grains or about 1/2 of a normal bullet weight for the .38/.357.

Also, anybody remmeber the Speer shot capsules used for loading small shot to make snake/rat loads? Well, they will exactly hold three #1 buckshot pellets stacked on top of each other and the total weight is in the neighborhood of a little over 100 grains.

Anybody want to guess what my daughter's S&W model 10 was stoked with when she moved into her apartment for college?

[Sistema1927]

"Buck and ball" duplex loads have been around for quite some time now.

Why? Because they work.

[shooting on a shoestring]

Whoa, folks, let me point out "buck and ball" got started in smooth bore muskets under battlefield conditions with huge calibers and long barrels. The hope was to hit with the big ball, and failing in that, maybe wound with one of the buckshot. They quit it when rifling proved more deadly.

Mulitple projectiles in handguns? Well perhaps for small animals, certainly not in any defensive loads. Handguns are short on payload, velocity, power, energy, penetration, accuracy and any measure of deadliness other than concealability. When you're using 3 pieces of 70gr lead in a .35 cal handgun, you'll be hardpressed to push that 210gr 900 fps, probably closer to 700 fps. That means penetration for those little bits will be in the 6 to 8 inch range in the Big Bad Boogie-man. That'll really make him mad! Leave the 210 gr in one piece and it'll go all the way to the vital parts, crush a hole in them, tunnel out the backside and relieve him of his bloodpressure instead of increasing it. Of course thats assuming you can shoot well, which might be why you're looking for multiple projectiles.

[bpisler]

Remington used to load these in 38 and 357mag,
i've tried a few and now believe buckshot is best
out of a shotgun.

[rtl]

I bought some Stike 3 ammo from Sportsmansguide.com a while back. Whereas I would not load my EDC with that, it works well in my .357 SA chores gun against fast moving coyote running through my pasture.