I am finally Closing the "Gun Show Loophole"!


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AKElroy
August 2, 2011, 01:15 AM
I have purchased many guns and other stuff from gunshows over the last 25 odd years, but I have NEVER seen the ridiculous prices I saw this weekend.

Mid 1970's top eject model 94's for $600+, Hi-point carbines (9mm, used, the old style) for $385,(all over the net for $199) Marlin 44mag $600 +,(Walmart has them for what, $395?), Rough WASR 10's for $395, New various Glocks $595.00, (Academy regularly has the same models $485). I could go on, but you get the picture.

I am a pure capitalist, so I do not begrudge a dealer a decent buck. But when an item is on a used table for nearly twice new retail, you know they are looking for a chump. Just sad. Guess GB, GA & Bud's are winning this battle.

Anyone actually seeing deals at Gunshows anymore?

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rocky branch
August 2, 2011, 01:20 AM
My opinion is that gunshows have really sucked for at least the last 25 years.

I am pretty cranky, but dn't think I'm far off.
They were fun, before jerky and beanie babies and the wannaee black ops stuff.

Shadow 7D
August 2, 2011, 01:48 AM
best deals I've done were out of the back of my car...
And I made a buddy who I might be able to hook up with to work his table, AND get in the show early, that's worth helping him for a few hours.

exavid
August 2, 2011, 02:38 AM
Prices at the last four gun shows have been pretty well stratospheric. Any of the guns I looked at could have been purchased at our local gun shops for less than these guys were asking. Used pistol prices where as high as what you'd pay for new. It's hard to see how these people can get these prices when anyone can get a reasonable price range just looking on the 'net.

Ignition Override
August 2, 2011, 03:11 AM
Lots of gun show people still talk about high prices as if the '08 presidential election were almost yesterday, and they vaguely suggest that there are still similar shortages.

It's as if they suspect that you might not know any better.

There was a good deal ($350) on a nice Enfield #5 "Jungle" in Sept. '09 at the Memphis show.
Luckily the rifle had no rust under the shiny dark wood when I checked months later.
It had been stored in Malaysia after the '56 Communist insurgency.

mj246
August 2, 2011, 03:15 AM
At the shows I go to, some of the booths have ridiculously overpriced guns, new or used, and some of them are decent. I've seen a few really good deals and many that were priced just a little over what I see online, which in my opinion is worth it to be able to check it out in person BEFORE paying for it. It all comes down to which table your at. The worst thing I've seen is that a certain table always has the same mis-marked and over-priced S&W victory revolver that they have labeled a "S&W model of 1917 Victory 38spl" and are trying to charge $600+ for it. It surely isn't a model of 1917 anything and last time I checked online, a victory revolver with normal military proofmarks in the condition it's in would only be worth $450-$500, not $600+.

However, I've seen other tables with used Colts, S&Ws, etc. for decent prices, including a S&W model 13 in decent condition that was really priced to sell and I still wish I had had enough money that day for an impulse buy. I have not seen that one again since that particular weekend and am sure somebody with more expendable income snatched it up. So yeah, for me, it all depends on which booth I'm in front of and the show itself is definitely still worth going to just to look around and buy some cheap ammo from the Miwall booth.

Sav .250
August 2, 2011, 09:06 AM
If I don`t like the "price", I don`t have to buy. I understand what your saying and agree to some extent.
Supply and demand controls a lot of those prices. The vendor can "ask" what ever he likes but when his sales slow to a crawl, you can bet the price will drop.

longears
August 2, 2011, 09:48 AM
Part of my gun show fun comes from looking at the overpriced stuff and wondering how those vendors ever sell enough to pay for their table. I see a lot of guns priced at about what they are on GunBroker or a little more though. When you add in shipping to the online stuff it sometimes comes out to be more than what the gunshow guys are asking. I dont mind paying a bit more than what is shown online because I get to actually look at the piece and not risk having to ship a misadvertised piece of junk back and hassel of trying to get my money back. After saying all that, I know what you are saying too. Lots of vendors are looking for suckers. By the way, I like your location !

youngda9
August 2, 2011, 09:49 AM
It is my opinion that the far majority of private sellers at the LGS are there as a weekend hobby and are not really interested in moving goods. They enjoy the comradery and chatting up all of the people that walk by. They have enough money that they aren't serious about making money at the shows, just want to hang out and show off their goods. They also enjoy getting all the primo deals for themselves before the general public is allowed to enter the show. The outrageous prices reflect this position and I have seen little to contradict it. I have had several sellers tell me that they don't intend to sell their guns, but if someone wants to barter them down a bit an still pay over-price for something that they will sell. They could care less either way really.

ColtPythonElite
August 2, 2011, 09:52 AM
Everytime I go to a gunshow, I find 99.9 percent of the guns to be overpriced, at least in my mind. However, I usually find a deal and walk out with something in my hand.

heeler
August 2, 2011, 10:01 AM
It's a hit or a miss for sure.
Most of the dealers are over priced.
However there is always one or two that is very reasonable with new guns.
That's how I bought my PM9 with night sights and that morning before I even left for the show I checked Bud's and the GunBroker dealers just to get an idea what the PM9's were going for.
I came out cheaper through this particular dealer by at least $35.00 and no shipping or transfer fee.
Of course there was the high Texas 8.25 % tax.
But you are right most dealers are running people out of the place with their pricing new or used.

steelbird
August 2, 2011, 10:11 AM
At a show I went to recently, there was a decent looking Beretta 92 for $400, and a 6" GP100 ( blue ) for $350. Most items overpriced, for sure, but there are some deals that can be found. Besides, the shows aren't just about guns- there's all kinds of other things one can find ( especially at the larger ones ).

Kingcreek
August 2, 2011, 10:24 AM
Its been years since I saw a bargain at a gun show.

Davey Wavey
August 2, 2011, 10:33 AM
"Guess GB, GA & Bud's are winning this battle."


Which are GB and GA? I'm familiar with Buds Gunshop.

El Mariachi
August 2, 2011, 10:44 AM
Gun Broker & Guns America....

Davey Wavey
August 2, 2011, 10:48 AM
Ah, I haven't heard of Guns America. Will check it out.

As for Gun Broker I see a TON of auctions that end with no bids. Doesn't seem like a great spot for deals either.

Jeff F
August 2, 2011, 10:53 AM
I very rarely purchases guns inside the shows from the dealers, almost all of my purchases of firearms have been either from another attendee or out in the parking lot. I only go in the shows to browse and buy ammo, accessory's and beef jerky.

JoeMal
August 2, 2011, 10:54 AM
As for Gun Broker I see a TON of auctions that end with no bids. Doesn't seem like a great spot for deals either. The thing with auction sites is you have to be a hawk and look often. You also have to be PATIENT. Not 'needing it now' helps a lot. If you can wait for the right time, and have the time and patience to keep at it on a daily basis, you can find deals. They are out there. They just don't last long when they come around.

heeler
August 2, 2011, 10:56 AM
The auction might have ended at the time span the dealer/owner placed it but they usually immediately relist the item.
As a Gunbroker member I can backtrack the auctions by many weeks to see what sold and for how much.

El Mariachi
August 2, 2011, 11:06 AM
I've done pretty good at Gun Broker in the last 6 months, after I figured out how it works, the things I wanted and what would be a 'reasonable' price (at least to me). My four best deals were the near-new Ruger MKIII 512 blued bull-barreled for $200, the scoped Sears/JC Higgins/Marlin 336 for two fifteen, the very nice JC Higgins 12 gauge for $75 and the scoped Husqy 8mm bolt action for $325.00.

The funnest part to me is 'the hunt'.....

browneu
August 2, 2011, 11:09 AM
Perhaps gunshow prices are higher because they expect people to negotiate the price down. I've done this on overpriced guns and walked away with a deal.

The key is to go on the last day and know the gun's value.

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quatin
August 2, 2011, 11:14 AM
"Guess GB, GA & Bud's are winning this battle."


Which are GB and GA? I'm familiar with Buds Gunshop.

I think gun shows have never changed.

The reason people are complaining now is due to the advent of the internet gun shop. Without a physical front store, they can reduce costs and with literally thousands of competitors online their prices forcibly competitive.

Compare that to a brick and mortar gun shop. There's maybe a dozen gun shops in an area competing. They already are at a disadvantage for having higher operating costs. On top of that they travel hundreds of miles to setup displays at gun shows. Of course it's going to be more expensive at the store, they have to add the cost of bringing the guns to you to see.

Jeff H
August 2, 2011, 11:15 AM
Gun shows don't seem to be the place for deals on guns anymore but they still have decent prices on ammunition, magazines and other accessories. You aren't going to see prices lower then the mail order places, but you don't have to pay shipping either.

I've been to many gun shows in recent years with every intention of buying a gun or two but I haven't bought anything but a stripped lower, primers and ammunition. Although I paid fair prices for that stuff, it surely wasn't a super deal.

JoeMal
August 2, 2011, 11:20 AM
Gun shows don't seem to be the place for deals on guns anymore but they still have decent prices on ammunitionLast gun show I was at was selling ammo for 50-70% higher than what I can get it for locally at the store. Only decent priced stuff was reloads and I don't trust reloads from Bubba

MagnumDweeb
August 2, 2011, 11:39 AM
To me there are three parts to a gunshow. The older gentleman who gets there at 8 am selling his lifetime collection out of his truck/car trunk for cash only. You can get Colt 1911s for $500 that are 95%+(so not bad and still fair for the most part), maybe a Garand rifle for $500, or a S&W Model 28 for $350. Got a S&W 15-3 roughed up(no rust just typical holster wear) but still a good shooter for $200 that way. When I wanted a ultra compact Bersa 9mm LNIB(looked mint but was obviously fired a little) got it for $240. So you got to wake up early, I saw garands, M1 carbines, 1911s , and all sorts of classic goodies selling cheaper than gunbroker, and way cheaper than the greater gunshow.

The 2nd part, the occassional older gentleman(see a pattern) selling one lone revolver, semi, rifle, or shotgun so he can pacify his wife into letting him get another gun. You can get a Colt Cobra parkerized snub nose for $350 (not great, not bad). Got a Norinco Tokarev 7.62x25 for $140 that looked good and shoots good. Have seen Savage 1910s for $120, High Points pistols for $80. Just got to hunt

The 3rd part, the greater gunshow lets call it. Othern than Georgia Arms ammo and some other smaller gun stores that make their own ammo for unique calibers, .44 magnum, and .357 magnum you can get legit deals on ammo. Cleaning supplies are okay. But the retail is a joke with the occassional sort-of-deal out there. I look at it like a Strip Club where you get to handle the merhandise but go elsewhere to find what you are taking home to keep(or in my younger single days the Dennys less than a quarter of a mile from the strip club at 3am). See how it feels in your hand, buy it elsewhere cheaper.

Now some folks might wonder why prices are higher. There are a few guys who I see at every gunshow now for the last five years even if I only go three times a year. I watch them buy pistols for $300 and sell them the same day for $500 or more. They don't have FFLs, they don't conduct background checks, and they sell typically to those folks who don't want a background check in my opinion. I've watched urban types pay $600 to one such guy for a Glock 19 I saw him buy for $340 only a few hours earlier. The urban type paid in cash with singles and fives, a fat wad of dirty looking bills. You can rationalize how you like it but i think some folks know all too well what they are doing.

22-rimfire
August 2, 2011, 12:00 PM
How are you closing the gunshow "loophole"? Sounds like you're jut complaining about prices which has nothing to do with the reputed loophole.

El Mariachi
August 2, 2011, 12:11 PM
22-rimfire
Member




How are you closing the gunshow "loophole"? Sounds like you're jut complaining about prices which has nothing to do with the reputed loophole.

I believe he was sarcasticating.....:rolleyes:

oneounceload
August 2, 2011, 12:24 PM
Gun shows don't seem to be the place for deals on guns anymore

Sure they are, but NOT for your common everyday guns - you won't get a deal on a Glock or similar, but you might find an older SxS or SAA that you won't find in your LGS

Harley Quinn
August 2, 2011, 01:37 PM
They are like all situations when buying or selling...Buyer Beware:what::)...

I have not been to one in a few years:uhoh:

Regards

dannyr3_8
August 2, 2011, 01:44 PM
no i like you have been amazed at the prices at the shows but if you have something to sell its easy to sell under they're riculous prices he he

AKElroy
August 2, 2011, 08:36 PM
I watch them buy pistols for $300 and sell them the same day for $500 or more. They don't have FFLs, they don't conduct background checks, and they sell typically to those folks who don't want a background check in my opinion. I've watched urban types pay $600 to one such guy for a Glock 19 I saw him buy for $340 only a few hours earlier. The urban type paid in cash with singles and fives, a fat wad of dirty looking bills. You can rationalize how you like it but i think some folks know all too well what they are doing.

You see quite a bit more than me. I have been going to gunshows for 30 years, and I have never seen what you describe, particularly the part about divining they do not have an FFL, and how much they paid and then later sold the same gun for. I have been standing at tables when transactions are done, and I have yet to notice prices actually paid, much less kept track of who sold and then re-sold an item. I think if I were ever breathing down the necks of people in that transaction would ask me to back off.

I must assume then that these "private sellers" are telling you, a perfect stranger, that they are engaging in dealing guns, for profit, without a license?

I am not trying to offend you by challenging your observations, but you need to be certain of what you describe in a public forum given the political climate around gun shows. One thing I have noticed at most gunshows over the last several years that raises questions regarding your claims, THE ATF.

Are you sure this is not just supposition on your part?

The-Reaver
August 2, 2011, 08:48 PM
The only thing I got to gunshows for is to look at firearms I do not have.
And if I wanted to find a possible deal. Look for the guys selling private. There's nothing else left no days. =(

Deltaboy
August 2, 2011, 08:50 PM
I made some great buys in Little Rock back in the 1980's. But all I have done since is buy ammo, or gun stuff and get some hard to sharpen knifes done for $3.00 bucks each. I go about once a year anymore. My Local Family owned shop takes good care of me.

90% of the guns are over prices and in Fort Worth TX I have had no luck getting a lower price.

Lubricant
August 2, 2011, 09:19 PM
Went to gunshow sunday.Well used fn p35,750.Tacticrap everywhere.10 round savage .22 mags[used]20 bucks.And a beater Century built f.a.l .1500 bucks !.thats like new DSA territory,is'nt it?2 good deals,Some old boy selling Loise L'amour paperbacks for a buck apiece.Got a boxfull,And the vender who sold me a brand new SW Bodyguard for 350 bucks.The punchline is He is the guy who owns a sporting goods store 3 blocks from my house.Where I do most of my gun shopping.Go figure.

Mike1234567
August 2, 2011, 09:43 PM
My opinion: The gun buying rage is growing and few people want to bother shopping... plus they "assume" gun show prices are lower.

Fleet
August 2, 2011, 10:03 PM
The only gun show deal is that I can get in to some of them for free as retired military.

wally
August 2, 2011, 10:45 PM
I thought the left handed Stag M4gery I picked up for $779 from a dealer at last week's show was pretty good buy. Came with Midwest Industries flip-up BUIS.

As was the $230 Taurus TCP.

I've never ordered from Bud's, but I do check their prices on what I'm interested and can always beat them at local shows.

Have got a few good closeouts from CDNN via a transfer to a local dealer.

It all depends on who is running the shows and how much competition there is.

2ndAmFan
August 3, 2011, 01:02 AM
I've only been to one gun show in the last 12 years or so and I must say it wasn't anything like the shows were when I went regularly. Most of the guns were overpriced and there was a whole lot of stuff for sale that had nothing to do with guns. A lot of the people, both vendors and customers, weren't very friendly either. I'm not going to judge all gun shows based on that one but it was a disappointment. On the plus side I did find some good ammo at good prices and snapped some of it up, so it wasn't a wasted trip.

Ben86
August 3, 2011, 01:32 AM
I go to gun shows for entertainment, not expecting to find much of anything worth while. I do a better job of that in the classifieds of gun forums. Seriously.

Ignition Override
August 3, 2011, 01:34 AM
AKElroy:

I know some guys who are pretty astute about certain milsurps.
They have bought rifles being carried around gun shows on slings, and have sometimes later sold some of them.
It's very unlikely that they do it in order to lose money.

My Yugo Mauser 48A was sold to me by a buddy, and knowing the price paid (too high), he would not have sold it at a loss, or just to break even.

None of those gun show buddies have FFLs, and they don't need them at shows.

Ro1911
August 3, 2011, 05:20 AM
What Magnumdweeb is describing is accurate of most gunshows, personally when I and a few friends and family get a few tables we sell guns that we bought and didn't like for one reason or another and we buy things that come walking in the door like the old gun collections he comented on. That according to the ATF is perfectly legal, and buying and selling in the same day for profit is a felony and they will get caught sooner or later.

but it does happen

wh!plash
August 3, 2011, 08:48 AM
There's one good thing about the gunshows in FL, and the main reason i recommend it to friends. They have an all-inclusive CCW class twice a day.

Having it all done in one place is way more convenient than having to go to the Sheriff's to get your fingerprints, Walgreens for a passport photo, gun range to take the class, get it all notarized, etc etc.

AKElroy
August 3, 2011, 09:25 AM
What Magnumdweeb is describing is accurate of most gunshows, personally when I and a few friends and family get a few tables we sell guns that we bought and didn't like for one reason or another and we buy things that come walking in the door like the old gun collections he comented on. That according to the ATF is perfectly legal, and buying and selling in the same day for profit is a felony and they will get caught sooner or later.

This is not what he described. He is indicating seeing guns purchased and re-sold the same day for double the original price to "Urban Types", I will assume code for gangbangers, specifically to price premium around a NICS sale because clearly being "Urban Types", they would never pass.

I take offense to that. If he saw what he desribed, he should have done something about it. If he is just assuming this because he happend to see some baggy-pants folks over-paying at a gunshow, then he needs to remember that this type of assumption is not helpful to the forward progress of RKBA.

AKElroy
August 3, 2011, 09:28 AM
I know some guys who are pretty astute about certain milsurps.
They have bought rifles being carried around gun shows on slings, and have sometimes later sold some of them.
It's very unlikely that they do it in order to lose money.

My Yugo Mauser 48A was sold to me by a buddy, and knowing the price paid (too high), he would not have sold it at a loss, or just to break even.

None of those gun show buddies have FFLs, and they don't need them at shows.

I agree completely. That is not what Magnumdweeb was alledging. See my last post.

Philippe
August 3, 2011, 10:15 AM
I stopped goin to gun shows because of all the over powering stinky candle selling old ladies kept making me have allergy attacks. Most of them around here anymore are just vendors trying to sell their products, it's about a 60/40 split of over priced gun sellers/junk peddlers. It's almost like a flea market with guns...

Mike1234567
August 3, 2011, 10:40 AM
I stopped goin to gun shows because of all the over powering stinky candle selling old ladies kept making me have allergy attacks. Most of them around here anymore are just vendors trying to sell their products, it's about a 60/40 split of over priced gun sellers/junk peddlers. It's almost like a flea market with guns...
Nahh... it's a gun market with fleas.

gym
August 3, 2011, 11:41 AM
I got two good deals at gun show this year. I had to work for both, I spoke to every vendor who was selling what I was looking for, and got the lowest price. On was a trade, where I traded a taurus revolver for a slim, then found a guy several monthes later who wanted it so bad, he offered me $400.00 for it, so the revolver I never could have sold for that, in 38. i had it for 15 years and never used it. He wanted it for his wife because he had the same one, the titanium. Then I bought a ruger lcp almost a year ago, for $259.00 which was the cheapset I saw any place. I had to work to get it for that price. But that's the way it is, if you just try 1 or 2 vendors and don'r know how much the going rate is, you will overpay, "they expect you to negotiate" that is one reason some gund dealers mark up so high. I find the opposite than Joe, with ammo. Here in FL I can almost always get the ammo cheaper at wallyworld than any place else. I may buy my carry JHP's there, because I want a certain round for a particular gun. But they were buying the stuff at Wallmart and selling it at the gun shows, until wallmart put a cap on how much you could buy.My buddy bought a 357 taurus for 259, in stainless with the 2or 21/2 inch barrell, not a bad deal.I will say we had to return it the following day for another one, the ammo was binding against the frame when you tried to move the cylinder, somone must have dropped it. That's another thing, try to get an unopened box on new guns. Too many people handle these display guns, they can have problems.

CoRoMo
August 3, 2011, 12:14 PM
...Marlin 44mag $600 +,(Walmart has them for what, $395?)...
Why would Mom-n-Pop put themselves in a position where WallyWorld could take all of their market away? Why, oh why, can't they just compete properly and stay in business? We all want to support the local Mom-n-Pop, but they don't seem to know what's best for themselves.

:banghead:

Dnaltrop
August 3, 2011, 01:22 PM
"I stopped goin to gun shows because of all the over powering stinky candle selling old ladies kept making me have allergy attacks. Most of them around here anymore are just vendors trying to sell their products, it's about a 60/40 split of over priced gun sellers/junk peddlers. It's almost like a flea market with guns..."

+ 1 on this Phillippe, i get the massive scent-based headaches as well.

The argument is that they're psychosomatic, therefore there isn't a problem... Whether the reaction is in our heads or not, the nausea and blinding pain are quite real.

Still some good deals here in Oregon, but a lot of it is local dealers selling for the same price as their Bricks-and-mortar stores the rest of the month. I go for the pure joy of being surrounded by people who shoot, and the ability to see more variety in one place, rather than having to drive to every shop in town in a day.

danprkr
August 3, 2011, 07:25 PM
It's amazing. I've been hearing about how crappy gunshows are for the last 25 years, and in that time my town has gone from one a quarter to 2 a month, and still growing strong. If they were really crappy they'd be dying on the vine, but the facts do not seem to support your observations. AT least not here in central TX.

jonmerritt
August 3, 2011, 08:02 PM
Try a used pt140 for $440 at a local pawn/gun shop (out the door)

kurt1305
August 3, 2011, 08:03 PM
I have to admit, I have found the best way to save money at a gun show is not to pay admission. :D

goon
August 3, 2011, 10:02 PM
I've seen very few good deals at gun shows. Also, I've recently begun to notice wild prices on local used guns offered in advertisements.
$1000 on a used Bushmaster AR when I could have a new Bravo Company or Colt for that much.
$600 on a used blued Ruger Blackhawk.
$720 on a used T/C Hawken.

I don't know what kind of spray paint these people have been huffing, but I hope they are saving some for the rest of us!

AKElroy
August 3, 2011, 11:31 PM
If they were really crappy they'd be dying on the vine, but the facts do not seem to support your observations. AT least not here in central TX.

I'm in San Antonio. Let me correct a misconception; I do not think gun shows are crappy, I go nearly every month. Like several have said, I like finding individuals walking around with something I might want to take home, I like seeing the knives & guns even if I am not buying, and I have occasionally carried in a gun to trade or sell. All I am calling out is that in the last 12 months, prices have become plain silly in a lot of cases, selling used guns for WELL above full retail for new versions of the same model.

Twiki357
August 4, 2011, 03:39 AM
I have to agree that most of the prices at gun shows are out of control, but I have gotten a few good buys. I quit going to the big ones a couple of years ago; $15/$20 admission and $7/$10 for parking is just not worth it when I can go to a small local show for $5 admission and free parking. Most of my buys have been for the same or a little less than the local stores or on line, but no shipping, FFL transfer fees, and sometimes no sales tax usually make some slightly higher gun show prices a good buy.

RichBMW
August 4, 2011, 08:07 AM
Went to the Tampa gun show twice. $5 to park. $8 admission. No bargains.
I won't waste my time again. The internet is my gun shop.

MagnumDweeb
August 5, 2011, 05:55 PM
To AKElroy

Since the ATF set up a nice table at the Orlando gun show I did more than a few times stop by it and let them know what was happening with a written description of the gentlemen. I pay a lot of attention. It's my nature and I watch people. I remember faces. I remember the first time I met one such character. He wanted to buy my Ruger Security Six for $250 (I wasn't selling and he had plenty of insulting things to say to me so that stuck). After I turned him down I watched him walk up to a young guy selling a Glock 19. This guy didn't have a table. A crowd gathered around them and the buyer guy started getting upset. He talked from his original asking price of $300 to $340 because of the crowd. A couple hours later he told me about how he just sold for $500.

I asked him some questions and then another guy came up next to us who seemed to know him and was talking about another such event. I went to the next gun show and watched both guys and sure enough they did it again. Bought a Ruger P90 off a younger guy, I tried to warn the seller and told him about the previous episode but he got $350 and was happy to have it. A few hours later as I picked through the deals I saw an urban type hand the buyer a bunch of money after he counted it. I asked the buyer what he had got and he told me $600. He bragged about some other deals he had done that day. I told a cop and pointed the guy out and the cop said he'd take care of it.

Now when I went to the last one I didn't see either of these characters so maybe they finally got pinched. There also wasn't a bunch of people selling either privately so who's to say.

When I've gone to gun show I can't help but notice a lot of the cars have plates from Illinois, California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland. Hmm.... Bad things can go on at gun shows, I don't know if they do, but they can. The guys I've bought from ask to see my DL and I also show them my CWP and NRA Pistol Instructor certification card to allay any fears. I'm finally going to join a legit range and I might start teaching classes again for $40 (no including ammo) if the range lets me. So when I do I'll be hunting the gun shows again for beat up Glocks, Taurus PT 92/99, .22s of all kind of flavors. Plus the ocassional older gentleman's collection as I yawn at 7:30 am.

psyshack
August 5, 2011, 11:10 PM
We have several here in the Tulsa area including Wanenmacher's. Nothing great about them. Guns for the most part are drastically over priced. It's got so bad many go to laugh at the vendors and the bubba's that know it all. I have not bought a firearm at Wanenmacher's in at least 10 years. The others I just don't bother with.

Wanenmacher's use to be the crown jewel and it's still a sight if you haven't been. It use to be like a mini SHOT Show in some ways. The big time uber collector groups use to be there in force. Yeah there still there so to speak. But nothing like the oldin days. I have seen LGS or there reps' there if that's what you call them there hawking wares out of the shop marked up big time. REAL GUN SHOW TIME,,, MARK IT UP FOR IDIOT's, so to speak.

On the upside there are a few staple vendors that can be delt with if you want OEM period, say Winchester lever action parts and accessories. I have a buddy that comes up every 2 years to deal with this vendor and always walks away happy. But hes not looking for a Glock or his next new fangle deer rifle. Or over priced Tacticool junk. There is a elderly couple that have been setting up a table for years. And they have the same pair of engraved Colt Pythons at a insane price. They are a pair, engraved to beat heck Pythons. Nice pistols. And they want so much for them folks blow them off. Last show they had some nice Smith's in beat up old presentation box's. They didn't have what I wanted in large frame .357. But there leader pythons were making folks walk on by. Nobody was stalking there table. I had my eye open for a new set of stocks for my polished up new 686P. Every thing I liked I could pay full local tax on and buy local retail cheaper. Forget the net.

As for GB, GA and Buds. Unless it's something special there is no reason for me to bother with them. I have a local FFL I can purchase from that slams those folks, prices, tax, shipping and FFL on current production stuff. I can stay in my local market retail on new retail or used and do good. Good to the point the only thing I get beat on over all is tax. I will pay tax to support my local market if Bud's only saves me $15.00 on a OTD sale over all verses buy a gun blind against looking at, inspecting one out of the case or safe.

So for me a gun show is just, a SHOW now days. And a poor one at that more times than not. And the NRA barkers are awful and should be slap'ed silent. It's got worse than the Home Show, Boat Show, Auto Show's. Heck the Chile Bowl is better than the Giant Gun Show.... The world's Biggest and Best. LOLOLOLOLOL

AKElroy
August 6, 2011, 11:09 AM
Since the ATF set up a nice table at the Orlando gun show I did more than a few times stop by it and let them know what was happening with a written description of the gentlemen. I pay a lot of attention. It's my nature and I watch people. I remember faces.

I appreciate your detail; but I stand by my earlier comment expressing anger at your assumption in your initial post that these "urban types" were obviously paying very high prices to avoid NICS, implying that this is why prices have gone through the roof at GS's. All of the tables I see at my local shows are FFL dealers, and they run NICS on every sale. You are calling out individuals that have sold individual items, and painting the entire event with a broad brush, including calling out the out of state plates in the parking lot?? Are you serious??

Dude -- You need to find something more productive to do with your time. I would venture a guess that many of the folks reading this thread are screeming at their screens for you to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, and stop looking for shadows and inuendo to exploit among those I assume you claim to support.

To be blunt, these types of allegations play into the arguments of our opponents, and we must be CERTAIN before making such statements. I am also observant, I am friends with many of these GS folks, and I have NEVER seen what you describe. If I came down a little hard, it is only because one reading your posts would find little difference between your views and Michael Bloombergs.

oldbear
August 6, 2011, 12:28 PM
IMHO, common sense left the firearm market in 2007 - 2008 and has not returned. And it will not start to return until the gun buying public starts to refuse to pay the current inflated pries.

Shadowdancer
August 6, 2011, 03:53 PM
The only things, lately, that were worthwhile were the range bags, gun cases, and ammunition. A lot of the show was old guys with boxes upon boxes of rusty parts that look like they were dug up from a cornfield.

Buck Kramer
August 23, 2011, 07:03 PM
550 is cheap for an SVT-40, I would have snagged that in a heartbeat. I don't think its just the gun shows, here in Cedar Rapids they are asking $687 for glock 19's!!!!!!!!

loadedround
August 24, 2011, 08:42 AM
When I need a good laugh, I attend a local gun show. I had thought the price of gold was out of sight, but then found out that the dealers are selling their firearms by weight. LMAO when leaving!

PreMod70
August 24, 2011, 09:19 AM
Gunbroker was great a decade ago but it too has been overrun with dealers and their tactics. Soon Gunbroker will be no different than the gun shows with the overpriced, overrated junk that nobody wants except for the novice that is easy prey.

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