[belton-deer-hunter]

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42451i got a nagant with a synthetic stock but i really have no clue what model it is i do know that all the numbers except the bolt match this does not have a straight bolt though it is curved any ideas about this i was told that it was an after market type of thing

[tackleberry]

cannot see real clear but it looks like the bolt on handle supplied with the advanced technology inc. scope mount. also appears to be an ati synthetic stock. great guns mine does 'bout an inch or so at 100yards.

[George S.]

You can find out some information here: http://www.surplusrifle.com/russianmosin189130/index.asp

The top of the receiver should have a mark that indicates which arsenal made it. Chances are it will be a triangle with an arrow pointed upwards. This indicates the Izhevsk Arsenal. There will also be a year stamped on the receiver. It will be followed bya character that looks like an oversized small "r". That is the Russian language symbol for "year".

The receiver can be either round or hex-shaped. Hex receivers were made up to the early '30's when round receivers were used.

From what I can see of the rear sight, it looks like it may have been a M38 or an M44.

[belton-deer-hunter]

it has a small diamond and it has "pw" and i think a three very tiny and a big circle with a number 11 in it then the date 1952 that is it

[belton-deer-hunter]

next question i forgot to ask bwest ammo for these i got a box of 203 grain brown bear soft points. they are steel cased i was told by a ex-military buddie that these would not allow the bolt to open after the barrel heated but on here i have heard nothing but great things aobut these

[belton-deer-hunter]

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here are some fresh pics that i hope will look better than the old ones

[RiverwinoIA]

you need to work on your photography skills brosef.


nice looking rifle though

[belton-deer-hunter]

the camera is not that great believe me i tried to get better pictures

[Stiletto Null]

Heh. "Sticky Bolt Syndrome". Bring along a block of wood or a mallet; if the bolt doesn't seem to want to open, just beat on it until it does.

Bear in mind, the Mosin was designed for steel cased ammo. It might not open easily after firing (especially if you fire a whole bunch really rapidly), but it'll be OK.

[mp510]

That is a non Russian/Soviet Eastern European made copy of the M-44 Carbine.

[grimjaw]

and a big circle with a number 11 in it then the date 1952 that is it

That's a Polish M44 (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44EEC.htm), and it's been butchered. The bolt handle is not original. Can you tell if the numbers on the various parts match? If so, with the original stock and bolt handle it would have had some collector value. Now it's just a shooter.

Here's a list of completed auctions of the type of rifle you have, without the modifications.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=50123031
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=50020999
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7390312
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7372159
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7471017
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7503959 (my new one)

OTOH, Polish M44s (anecdotally) are considered the best made of the M44s. If it has been taken care of, it should shoot very well.

jmm

[belton-deer-hunter]

well i do believe that it has been taken very well care of it has a very slick action the bolt will fall open once you allow it to it feeds wonderfully so far but i still have not shot it i will get back about that later now does any one know anything about the ammo i should be looking for?


thank you



{oh and grim you were right on about the markings it is polish}

[grimjaw]

From your forum name I assume that you might hunt with it. :rolleyes:

There are a couple of makers of soft point ammunition in that caliber. Brown Bear and Sellier Bellot both make ~180gr, Wolf makes ~200gr. AIM Surplus sells Igman 150gr soft point for it, and that's the only light ball hunting ammo I know of that's commercially loaded. None of the above is especially cheap, but it's not terribly expensive, either.

If you just want to blast away with it, there are lots of surplus ammunition choices for it, which would cause the thread to veer off topic wildly. Check the Ammo Board at Gunboards.com if you're interested in that. Also, http://7.62x54r.net has a good ammo resource.

Enjoy the rifle, and if you decide to sell the barreled receiver, I'm sure I can pony up about $50 for it. ;P

jmm

[George S.]

The bolt "falling open" is typical of most Mosin's. The bolt was designed to be very free in the receiver as the rifle was expected to be used in pretty horrible conditions and the Russian soldiers were expected to fight as long as possible without taking time to clean their weapons. Once closed, the bolt should be tight and the entire action is very sturdy.

As far as ammo, the rifle should fire any of the various milsurp 7.62x54R stuff you can find. Try the Polish light ball or the Czech "silvertip" for general target or plinking. Both are 147gr FMJ and should be fairly accurate if the barrel lands and muzzle crown are in good shape. But keep in mind that all of the milsurp ball ammo is corrosive so you will need to clean the bolt face and chamber immediately after shooting. There are salts in the primers and it can be washed away wih hot water or Windex with ammonia. Then do a normal cleaning after you get home.

If the rifle has been well take care of, the prior owner may have worked hard to rid the chamber wall of any lacquer build-up from shooting old steel cased ammo. Milsurp steel-cased ammo had a coating of lacquer to keep the case from rusting. The heat generated by shooting would cause the coating to transfer to the chamber walls (which were not terribly smooth). The old lacquer in the chamber would soften up from shooting and cause cases to stick in the chamber. This is why a plastic head hammer is part of a range box when a Mosin goes to the range. You'll most likely need it to get the bolt open.

Lacquer thinner and a 12 gauge brass shotgun brush in a drill is one good way to clean the chamber of old lacquer if you have constant problems with a sticky bolt. Remove the action from the stock and use a patch soaked with thinner to wet the chamber and dip the brush in the thinner. Stuff the brush in the chamber and run the drill while moving the brush back and forth. This will eventually clean the chamber wall so the bolt should not stick.

If you intend to hunt with this rifle, Winchester makes some soft-nose ammo that should work for game like deer. Empty cases are available so that you can also build custom loads.

With the short barrel, expect a pretty stout recoil and a really great muzzle flash. Lots of fun to shoot in the evening at twilight. :D

[dfaugh]

there's alot of Polish M-44s out there, with 1950s dates, that were either re-arsenalled, or never issued, and are in "mint condition"...I had one, but sold it, 'cause I didn't shoot it much (and got twice what I paid for it). Yours appears to have the bolt/scope conversion set I also have (for a 91/30 I'll finish one of these days).

The only milsurp ammo I was ever able to get decent accuracy with was the Czech Silvertip. But, Sellior and Belliot and Igman were both pretty good in my M-44. The S&B was a little better (and I've used other calibers of theirs too w/ good results).