Inhouse security with guns


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Tallyman541
July 20, 2006, 02:06 AM
I was wondering what all of your ideas on safety and security with having a gun in the house. My mother will not let my get a Black powder pistol because she is worried about burgelurs trying to steal it. I tried to tell her I could make a gun box and get a trigger guard but wont listen to me so I am seeing if the thread will help change her mind. I would appreciate all of your help with this topis thanks.

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arcticap
July 20, 2006, 03:11 AM
Maybe there's more than just that one reason for how your mom feels. For instance:
1. Would this be the first gun to be stored in your house? Maybe she's just not comfortable with you having a pistol yet.
2. Do you have a safe, legal place to go shooting? How about gun safety courses, have you taken any?
3. Maybe your mom has liability and safety concerns besides whether the pistol would get stolen by burglars. Like whether or not it's going to be "out in the open" when she would rather not have it out in her house.
Maybe she has concerns about the potential use or handling of the gun in a manner that could make her (or another family member) legally liable in the event that somehow the government became involved in processing a complaint or if it were ever to be used for self defense purposes.
4. There may be plenty of other reasons that your mom has, and she might just be avoiding any mention of those reasons to not have to bicker with you over all of them. I think that your mom knows that a gun can fairly easily be safely stored and hidden from thieves, so could she be more worried about you than about the storage issue that you mentioned?
If storage is all that mom is really concerned about, then there should be a cereal box big enough (or laundry soap box, etc...), which can be placed in some inconspicuous place in your house that could very easily be used to safely store a locked (or disassembled) pistol or revolver and to help keep it hidden from burglars. :D

Duncaninfrance
July 20, 2006, 08:26 AM
Well, if it's her house then that's about it I would say. I assume you are the only other person living there so if you are out then she could well feel uneasy by her self.

If you are as member of a club do they have facilities or have you got a freind who is also a shooter that would be willing to help you?

You could move out :confused:
Duncan

sjohns
July 20, 2006, 01:50 PM
Hmmm...

"don't want a gun cuz someone might steal it"

hmmm...

gotta think about that one.

sundance44s
July 20, 2006, 02:57 PM
Hey Talleyman when one lives under mama`s roof one needs to do as mama wishes .. I`m sure alot of mothers don`t understand guns and just know they can take a life as easy as pulling a trigger . Got an idea for ya though join NRA and try to get your mother to read the monthly magizine they`ll send ya .. lots of good storys in there about us good guys being saved because we had a gun in our homes to ward off the bad guys , and as Americans we should protect our right to keep and bare arms . As long as Americans are armed this country would be one hard cookie to be taken over , down right impossible in some states .I got my hill top well covered ! lol Take a course in hand gun handleing , call your local sheriff`s office and ask .. i bet they would be glad to steer you to the right place and people to help you get started in safe gun ownership .. they might even take you to a range and give you some training ..and your mother would probally be glad you went that route . good luck and be safe ..

Tallyman541
July 20, 2006, 07:55 PM
The only place I ever shoot is out in Mojave and I went through a week of lectures from my godparents and their relatitaves and the whats whats on a gun and such. My older brother might be able to hold the gun for me but I would never get to use it. He might take me to a range sometime but I am not so sure. I am not the only one living at the house it is me my mom and my older brother with his girl-friend....and my brothers dog Chewy:D It also turns out I am not getting a revlover after all I am going to get a pioneer pistol kit really nice buy like $140 I think I am also going to get a ball mold and make wak bullets just for fun so I can shoot in the back yard:evil: but I still have to convinse her that it is a safe thing to have and is nice to have in a disaster. I don't think I can move out just yet but maybe in a few years:rolleyes:

MCgunner
July 20, 2006, 09:34 PM
Not sure what this has to do with black powder, but whatever. I'd go take an NRA handgun course and find a range where you might can rent a revolver and learn how to shoot. Take the courses, learn safety and techniques of shooting. When you think you're ready, get a carry permit (if they're shall issue in your state) and carry a personal weapon concealed. Don't leave it in the house, take it with you. That's one option if you want to be armed. If mom don't want it in the house, leave it in the car under the seat locked up or in the trunk or something. If it gets ripped off, it gets ripped off. I've had guns stolen before.

Don't go carrying a gun until you're very familiar with it and how to safely handle it, though. I'd stick with a small, five shot, commonly called J frame or "snub nose" revolver in .38 special caliber. Of course, I don't know your age. You would have to be 21 to get a CCW permit.

Tallyman541
July 20, 2006, 11:16 PM
I can't get a carry permit because I don't think the campus police would be to happy with me but I might be able to keep it at a friends house but I am not sure....but I am debating over a 1858 remington or one of these: http://arms2armor.com/store/product64.html It seems like a nice little gun but I am not so postive

RooK
July 21, 2006, 12:24 AM
Never had a problem with my mom and buying guns, but then my grandfather own tons of them and she had some of her own. :D If you haven't had a safety class, take one. It will ease her fears and you might even be able to make a deal: "If I take a safety class, can I buy one?"

I'm just now getting back into blackpowder shooting, got a T/C White Mountain Carbine and a Pietta 1851 Colt Navy .44 (4.75" barrel) with a front sight mod. I'll tell you right now, loading the single shot handgun will get old fast. It would be a lot more enjoyable to load a cylinder and have 5 shots ready to go. Not to mention you get to use old revolvers, significant pieces of US history. You'll also enjoy it years from now. They cost more, but it's worth it.

Tallyman541
July 21, 2006, 01:08 AM
thanks

Third_Rail
July 21, 2006, 01:24 AM
I was in that same boat a few years ago; my best advice is to simply wait until you're out of your parent's house.

Tallyman541
July 21, 2006, 03:02 AM
Well that could be several years

arcticap
July 21, 2006, 05:32 AM
That Traditions Pioneer is a nice pistol. It would teach you about the basics of muzzle loading and I'm sure it would provide lots of enjoyment.
Have you given any consideration to buying a muzzle loading rifle at all? They can be just as cheap to buy as a pistol and in some ways are more fun because they're more accurate shooting at longer range, can have interchangable barrels, shoot bigger balls and heavier loads. Makes more smoke too! :D
You might even want to consider taking a hunter safety course and getting your hunting license eventually. Then you'd be able to enjoy your gun on public lands and not be as apt to get into trouble just for carrying it around during a hunting season.
Simple possession of a gun on some lands without having a hunting license (in states like mine ;) ) can result in being charged with illegal hunting based on "Prima Facia" evidence, even without actually intending to commit the act.

Third_Rail
July 21, 2006, 12:14 PM
How old are you? Federal regs, as near as I can tell, say 18 for blackpowder substitute, 21 for real BP. If you're younger than that, make sure you don't get yourself in trouble!

Tallyman541
July 21, 2006, 02:58 PM
What kinds of muzzle loading rifles would any of you recomend? As for my age I am younger than 18 I will tell you that much:neener:

Tallyman541
July 21, 2006, 03:01 PM
I checked in with some gun law here in California and they say You can carry a rifle if conceled like in a bag but you can't have ammo attched to the rifle in any way...unless you feel your home is thretened. My brother is going to take me to a range someday and when we go I could find out all I need to know about this but for now I am going to stick to a small pistol or revolver.

Third_Rail
July 21, 2006, 03:06 PM
You're younger than 18, and in CA?


If you want to stay out of jail, I'd stay away from BP guns until you turn 18, and stay away from BP handguns until you're 21. Just my $.02, but as far as I know, CA is really harsh to minors with any kind of gun.

Tallyman541
July 21, 2006, 03:50 PM
hmmmm well my brother said yes they can only be bought by people over 18 or 21 but it says "firearms" can be transfered bewteen imedate family members but BP aren't classified as firearms...I am so confused:banghead:

Third_Rail
July 21, 2006, 03:52 PM
Call and ask the CA DOJ; it's what they're there for...

Tallyman541
July 21, 2006, 05:50 PM
whats that....I have no idea

Third_Rail
July 21, 2006, 06:45 PM
California Department of Justice. They enforce the laws, so they can explain what is and is not legal. :)

Tallyman541
July 22, 2006, 01:10 AM
interesting I might just do that

arcticap
July 22, 2006, 01:34 AM
The State Police (CHP?) should have a firearms unit, or your County Sheriff's Dept., or local police. Ask several law enforcement agencies to verify whatever one might tell you, and be specific about either muzzle loading pistols, or muzzle loading rifles, rimfire/centerfire, pre-1898 rifle/pistol reg.'s.
You can even inquire about the minimum unsupervised legal hunting age. Here it's 16 I believe, when a youth doesn't need to be in the presence of an adult in order to hunt alone.

Tallyman541
July 22, 2006, 01:38 AM
cool thanks

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