[Preacherman]

A young lady friend discovered the tactical utility of Dragon's Breath rounds last night... She was at home with her two young kids, while her husband (LE type) was on late duty. A couple of gang-bangers decided this was a good night to break in, and a bit after 11 p.m., when the family was in bed, they broke in through the living-room window. She heard the noise they made, and grabbed her husband's Mossberg Model 500, which he kept by the bedside for her use when he wasn't at home. She went to the door leading to the living-room, and saw one of the gang-bangers just inside the window, helping his friend through. She raised the shotgun and fired one round at the guy inside.

What she didn't know was that her husband had been playing around with his shotgun a couple of days earlier, along with some of his buddies. He'd left the shotgun loaded with a Dragon's Breath round up the spout, a Screamer next, and a Bird Bomb third in line. When she touched off the first round, a gout of flame enveloped the entire window area, scorching and blackening both intruders, and doing all sorts of nasty things to her curtains. She screamed in shock, but didn't drop the shotgun - racked the action and let off another round. A ghastly demonic wail was heard in the land as this round went straight out the window and down the driveway.

The two gang-bangers stood not upon the order of their going... apparently they broke several land speed records heading down the driveway, screaming loudly all the way (as in "Bleep! WHAT THE BLEEP-BLEEP-BLEEP WAS THAT???"). She called 911, and her husband and other cops arrived within minutes. The other cops then had the pleasure of listening to her tell her husband (in words of approximately one syllable, for ten minutes, without repeating herself) what she thought of a partner who would load a defensive weapon with rounds like that! Apparently they (the other cops) were doubled over, helpless with laughter, while her husband shrank by the minute!

They didn't catch the BG's, but according to the cops, they're probably still running, and should be across the Arkansas border by now (it's only about 150 miles north of here). I understand that domestic harmony, of a sort, has been restored in the household of my friends, but that the husband will be spending time and money replacing curtains and cleaning up scorch marks on the paintwork...

For those who may not know about Dragon's Breath rounds, here's a picture.

http://www.azweapons.com/AmmoPics/dragon.jpg

[Hkmp5sd]

LOL!!:D Can you imagine what it looked like when that went off inside a house?

[PATH]

:D ROFLMAO! That fella is gonna get razzed for years over this one. Thank God momma was alright but I wish I could of heard the conversation those two low lifes were having! You just can't make stuff like this up!

[QuickDraw]

Oh man,thats priceless!
I kept picturing The Three Stooges with their faces blackened
wisps of smoke coming out of their hair(well,except Curly) :D

QuickDraw

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I'm sorry, that's a serious situation...


But..


ACK!! LOL!


I'm having a terrible time trying to picture this!!!

Oh man. I've shot Dragon's Breath round before in a 25yrd indoor range...BIG MISTAKE! thought we were going to need a fire hose!

Bird bombs also. Way loud.

I'd love to see the scene at the local Home Depot after this: 'ok...so you need to repaint AND new curtains? And how did this happen again?'

[Erick Gelhaus]

Check the date? Hmm, it's May, ok.

That done....
Out- Freakin-Standing!

[sm]

Hey Preacher , I'm in AR, these guys wearing Fila's...I got passed by a couple dudes on foot on I 40 earlier....and I was doing 65mph ;)

[Justin]

I'll bet she could score some free loot by writing a letter to the manufacturer.

Dear sirs,

Two ne'er-do-wells were encroaching on my domicile when I decided that the best course of action was to light them up- literally! The discharge of one Dragon's Breath round proved to be a rather heavy factor in their decision to leave my home post-haste.

Thank you, Dragon's Breath.

Sincerely,
and etc.

;)

[Skunkabilly]

Ain't nothin' compared to Skunk's Breath... (after some garlic and onion laced food!)

[Dionysusigma]

OH MY GOODNESS!!! :what:

See there folks, that's true self-defense:
1) Using a (realtively) non-lethal means, if possible
2) Keeping a clear head, no matter how frightened/ shocked you are, and
3) Scaring the ever-loving jeebus out of the attackers that they learn their lesson right, the first time. :D

Good lord, where can I get me some Screamers, but most importantly some Dragon's Breath? My cigarette lighter's out of fluid...:evil:

[Kobun]

This reminds me of something I posted on TFL:

Story told to me by a guy I know.
His friend lives in South Africa.

His friend woke by the sound of the door being forced open in the middle of the night.
He jumped out of bed, and got the 870 that was under the bed, loaded with 00 buck.
As he got into the hallway, he saw two men coming toward him.
He fired several times at them, from a distance of 4-5 meters.
They ran back out and jumped across the fence. He stood there dumbfounded looking at them run.
As he looked a bit closer, no blood, no holes in the walls, no nothing.
His wife came out from the bedroom and it became clear what had happened.
For the safety of their kids...
She had exchanged the shotshells with blanks...
He got divorced soon after.


Do NOT change a HD system without informing everyone!

[444]

Preacherman that is funny. Possibly the funniest thing I ever read on-line. I would give a month's pay to have seen it in person.

[Dave McCracken]

Thanks, Preacherman, I'm still chuckling...

[KY Moose]

That is the funniest story I have read in a long while. Thanks for sharing it with us. If you don't mind, I would like to share this story with some others at another board.

[Sisco]

Where can you get the Dragons breath rounds? Seems to me that Cheaper Than Dirt used to have them in their catalogs but I haven't seen them for a while.

[Hkmp5sd]

Before buying, better check local laws. They are illegal in Florida.

[Preacherman]

If anyone wants to buy Dragon's Breath, Screamer or Bird Bomb rounds, see http://www.azweapons.com/FUNAMMOmain.html. They also have a number of other shotgun rounds, tracers for handguns and rifles, etc. Scroll down the page for details.

[Preacherman]

I also posted this story on the API List, and one of the members replied with this personal experience of Dragon's Breath:
Many years ago, about 8 or 9, I use to shoot in an indoor range that was run by a few friends of mine. They were not the owner as you will soon see. On Monday they use to have the range open at night and the closed it around 9. After all the customers left the fun began. We ran various stages, did machine gun shoots, fast draw stuff, all the stuff that the owner would not like at all.

One night after the customers had left we brought out some "dragons breath", illegal in Florida BTW. None of us had ever seen it shot before so this was a good night to experiment. The range was in the back of the other two ranges so we set up a bowling pin to hit and see if it would burn.

What a fireball from the dragons breath but it didn't stop. The entire range went into a fireball with all the unburned powder. Four idiots, all of us, hit the door at the same time and I can assure you that 4 cannot get through a three foot door. Somehow we made it out and the manager went to call the fire department. As he was talking to them the fireball burnt out and he canceled the call.

It's funny today but not when it happened!

:evil:

[Edward429451]

:D :D

[foghornl]

Never seen a "Dragons' Breath" round fired, but I have heard the Screamers, and those rounds will simultaneously put a brick in your shorts while tying said shorts into several knots.

Wonder if those 2 guys are the ones that ran by me on I-90 this morning, headed toward Buffalo, NY ? ?

:D :D :D :D :D

TOOOOOO Funny!

[kcslim]

Wow I would have paid admission to see that, Thanks for the cool story.

[Jrob24]

I thought this thread would be about the newly developed foul smelling dragons breath chemical. Great story though :D

[TechBrute]

The entire range went into a fireball with all the unburned powder.

I can verify this to be an abolutely true occurance. I've had the entire floor of a range light off with a huge blue flame before due to some dingledorf shooting tracers indoors at 25 yards.:fire:

[mgjohn]

Not too long back the girlfriend took out a window and a wall with a 20g Remington 1100 and a Glock 17. Seh was shooting at a local peeper who then desided to move to safer parts.

[Sven]

Bump - great story!

[Preacherman]

An update for all our loyal readers...

Brian's birthday was today, and his wife presented him with a new Mossberg 500 shotgun - and then announced that now that he had a new one, she was confiscating his old one, which was henceforth to be referred to as "her" shotgun! She also told him firmly that it was NEVER to be loaded with anything except buckshot or slugs while in the house (birdshot at the range for practice was, however, acceptable).

Brian is smiling again at last... his wife's forgiven him, he has a new shotgun, she now has one of her own, the house has been repaired (after expenditure of about $700 and much sweat from Brian! :D ), and all is well with the world.

(BTW, they never did find the two who broke in... local PD speculation is that they've probably reached Fairbanks, AK by now! :D )

[Darrin]

I've emailed links to several people when this thread was started. One co-worker keeps asking me if I've shot any Dragon's Breath yet, then informs me he wants to be there when I do! :D

Thanks for the follow-up! This is still one of my favorite threads here on THR.

[glockten]

Darrin,

If we happen to have a TN THR shoot on a rainy day, or the day after a good rain, I'll bring some. I bought a few rounds at Knob Creek last fall and haven't had the opportunity to shoot them.

[dport]

Am I the only one who is disturbed by the wife immediately using deadly force on the intruders? Or at least intending to use deadly force. I'm not familiar with Arkansas law, but most states require the BG to demonstrate the capability, opprotunity, and intent to use deadly force in order to use deadly force in your defense. In the story the only criteria I saw met was opprotunity, and that could be argued.

[larryw]

You may not be alone, but I'd guess you're in the minority.

A young mother with kids in the house watching two bangers breaking in? I'd say she was perfectly justified fearing for the safety of her children and self and acted appropriately.

[Andrew Wyatt]

at least in california, breaking into an occupied house is considered demonstrating an intent to do harm.

[dport]

Sounds like she got the drop on them. Taking the story at face value, there were no weapons in evidence, other than the homeowner's shotgun. The BGs were still breaking into the home. One was still trying to get in. I'll bet a "Get the hell out of here," with the shotgun pointed at them would have motivated the sufficiently to leave the premisis.

If they continued or refused to leave then I believe they Darwined themselves into the deadly force triangle. They would have the opprotunity, if they stayed the homeowner would have to believe they had the intent and the capability to inflict serious harm on her or her loved ones.

Like I said, I don't know Arkansas law specifically. It may be the case, as those of you in CA pointed out, that just being in the house was sufficient cause. I know that in a majority of the states I've lived in this would not be the case.

[LostOneToo]

I am surprised she didn't burn the house down. i gave a buddy a Dragon's Breath round to fire over his lake and he came back and said that the only way he'd shoot another one would be in a boat on the ocean while it was raining!!!

I'm just glad that guy's wife had the intestinal fortitude to do what was necessary to protect home and hearth!! She sounds like a fine wife to have.

[Preacherman]

Dport, it's not quite that simple. In Louisiana, where this happened, there's a good "your home is your castle" law - if someone breaks in, this is considered to be prima facie evidence that they represent a threat to you and/or your family, and you're entitled to use lethal force against them without waiting for them to launch an attack. In a case such as this, where two men were breaking into a house occupied by a woman and two young children, there's also the "disparity of force" legal perspective - she would be automatically at a disadvantage waiting for two stronger men to attack her, and would therefore be justified in taking preventative measures as she did. Finally, her husband's a law enforcement officer, and it has always been regarded as "accepted unless/until proven false" that someone breaking into a LEO's house is probably trying to get revenge, or even, or something like that - so the use of lethal force is more than acceptable under such circumstances (at least, that's the attitude of local LEO's and DA's with whom I've spoken).

Even non-LEO's are given wide latitude in this sort of circumstance. I know of several cases locally where residents used lethal force against intruders, where the intruders were either unarmed or armed only with "weapons" such as a screwdriver or baseball bat. None of the cases made it to the Grand Jury - the DA simply ruled the shootings justified on the spot. I daresay that if a GJ had been empanelled, they would have returned a "no true bill" after about five minutes' wait (or perhaps long enough to have a cup of coffee). People around here have no sympathy whatsoever for BG's... which is as it should be, IMHO.

[Darrin]

Glockten, that sounds very cool!


*Starts doing a rain dance*

:D

[FPrice]

"Am I the only one who is disturbed by the wife immediately using deadly force on the intruders?"

Wife at home, husband at work.

11:00 at night.

Two young children in bed.

Two intruders, breaking in.

Yeah, I am not disturbed at all by her actions. In fact, I would congratulate her if I ever met her. And if it ever got to a jury trial in which I was a jury member, there is NO way I would vote to find her guilty.

[dport]

Preacherman,
It is that simple. You said it yourself. In LA, I mistakenly thought it was AR, the law says she was justified. That's good enough for me, in that state.

I am well aware of disparity of force and other situations that merit deadly force. In many states, she would have had to retreat, even though they were in her home. There were two intruders, no weapons in evidence, one was no threat as he was still trying to get through the window. Depending on time/distance, I'm using my own house to get a feel for this, she could have issued a warning, which I understand she was under NO obligation to do, and she could have affected the same outcome. I doubt two urban youths are going to face down a 12ga when someone has the drop on them. And if they do, then she already had the advantage.

The absolute last thing I want to do is discharge my firearm at someone. I'm more inclined to look for alternative before using deadly force. Again depending on time/distance, she did not exhaust all her alternatives. Under LA law she was under no obligation to. I realize it's easy to Monday morning quarterback this, and they way I train, if the deadly force triangle is present then deadly force will be used in response.

I wonder if she was truly prepared for the emotional baggage that would go along with taking a life, even if it was justified.

[Rat-30]

The story reads to me as if the Lady of the House had her reasons :D

In TX, Criminal Tresspass during the hours of darkness= Deadly force authorized.

Like the man typed, who knows what preceded this event to put her in the mindset of 'not this house', but I bet 'the word' got out that this is definately the wrong house to revisit. And further in the post I read she recovered well enough emotionally to make sure she had her own HD shotty next time. Let's hope there's not a 'next time'.

Personally, I'm glad she was able to defend herself, and appreciate the humor in the story as presented. I have some good experience firing these rounds over water about 50+ yards, and it's a hoot - I cannot imagine the 'singed and soiled' clothes that went back out of that window!
:D Thanks, Preacherman!

Best,

[2nd Amendment]

In many states she would have had to retreat within her own home? I believe I know of two, but I'll have to try and do some reading on the subject to be sure. Otherwise, two male invaders vs one woman is sufficient threat for deadly force in most states so far as I know. That said it might have been better had she issued a warning(certainly better for the curtains) but I don't think there are many places that would require it.

[another48hrs]

They didn't catch the BG's

I don't think it would be that hard to find two perps with out eyebrows.:D Great story Preacherman, funny and everyone was alright in the end.

[another okie]

Name a state in which you have to retreat in your own home.

There was such a court decision in Mass. for about ten minutes, then it was overturned. I don't know of any state that requires this today, but I'm willling to be educated.

In Oklahoma we have the aptly-named "Make my day" law. If they are in the house, you are entitled to assume they are there to hurt you. Actually that is the common law, but we passed a law so there would be no temptations for aggressive district attorneys and judges who wanted to make a name for themselves.

[C.R.Sam]

It's not nice to try to fool Mother Nature
Or your partner.:D

What a neat combo of loads tho.

Here, one who trys to enter a home without invitation has already applied for a Darwin award.

Sam

[dport]

I was not aware the duty to retreat was overturned in Mass. When I lived in RI I was told I had to retreat (edited to add: I just checked RI law. It explicitly states there is no duty to retreat). IIRC in IL, MO, and VA you don't have to retreat, but you have to justify deadly force. I'm sure if someone had the inclination, which I don't, some enterprising person could find the laws for all 50 states.

This excerpt from www.findlaw.com is a faq about the use of deadly force. Depending on the location, the lady's actions may or may not have been justified, just going on the limited information in the story.

Q : What is considered "reasonable force"?

A : States vary widely on what they consider "reasonable force." In general, if you use force against an intruder, use no more than appears necessary. That is, if a shout sends the burglar running, don't pull a gun and shoot him in the back. If a single blow stops a burglar in his tracks, don't beat him to a pulp. If the intruder isn't threatening bodily harm to someone in the house, you're on shaky ground if you use deadly force. Some courts have held that a homeowner who could retreat safely isn't justified in beating or killing the intruder. Likewise, courts have held that a homeowner isn't justified in attacking a burglar if it appears that a shout or warning would be enough.

What about booby-trapping your home to keep burglars out? Despite the popularity of the movie "Home Alone," people have gotten into serious legal trouble for that sort of thing. Even if you're fed up with repeated break-ins, you can't set up a gun rigged to shoot anyone who comes through the window. First, it's not up to you to impose a death sentence on someone who might try to break in, and second, the next person through the window might be a firefighter trying to save you.

Here's another quote from Findlaw. Other than the misinformed gun stats it pretty much sums up the use of deadly force.
If There's an Intruder in Your House

"Honey, did you hear a noise downstairs?" Everyone's afraid of finding someone in the house at night. If it happens to you, do all you can to avoid a confrontation. Your life is more important than your stuff.
-Run away if you can and call police.
-If you can't get yourself and your family out of the house, lock yourselves in a room.
-If you’re face to face with an intruder, stay calm and be cooperative.

What about using force?

You do have a legal right to protect yourself and your property. Some homeowners keep a gun handy for just such an occasion, although more people get shot with their own guns than use them to frighten off or disable intruders. If you did shoot an intruder or whack him over the head with an iron pipe--then found yourself in court on assault charges--you could argue that you acted in self-defense or in defense of your property. It would be up to the jury to decide whether or not to believe you.

Basically, the law says that you can use reasonable force to defend yourself if you're being attacked or if you have a reasonable belief that you will be. That is, you don't have to wait until the intruder is actually coming at you with a knife. The key word here is "reasonable"; the jury would have to decide whether a reasonable person would have thought that the toy gun was real or that the hand going into the pocket was reaching for a weapon. States vary widely on what they consider "reasonable force." In general, if you use force against an intruder, use no more than appears necessary. That is, if a shout sends the burglar running, don't pull a gun and shoot him in the back. If a single blow stops a burglar in his tracks, don't beat him to a pulp. If the intruder isn't threatening bodily harm to someone in the house, you're on shaky ground if you use deadly force.

Some courts have held that a homeowner who could retreat safely isn't justified in beating or killing the intruder. Likewise, courts have held that a homeowner isn't justified in attacking a burglar if it appears that a shout or warning would be enough.

What about booby-trapping your home to keep burglars out? Despite the popularity of the movie "Home Alone," people have gotten into serious legal trouble for that sort of thing. Even if you're fed up with repeated break-ins, you can't set up a gun rigged to shoot anyone who comes through the window. It's not up to you to impose a death sentence on someone who might try to break in. And the next person through the window might be a firefighter trying to save you.

I'll concede the point about the duty to retreat. It looks like it was just a court ruling. I'm glad I was wrong. I'm no fan of the duty to retreat. However, I believe my point is still valid. Had the lady not been in a state with a "make my day law," as someone put it, she most likely would not have been justified using deadly force.

[Andrew Wyatt]

Had the lady not been in a state with a "make my day law," as someone put it, she most likely would not have been justified using deadly force.


She was, though.

Besides, there is a difference between "legality" and "morality".

[Denny Hansen]

Good on Mom for protecting herself and kids and she was perfectly justified to do so. Bad on Dad for not letting her know what the HD shotgun was stoked with--there would not be quite so many smilies here if she had burned the house down with her kids in it.

Preacher-
Any intel on if it was a real Dragon's Breath and not one of the cheaper (read less intense heat) knock-off muzzle blast rounds?

Denny

[FPrice]

"I was not aware the duty to retreat was overturned in Mass."

I do not believe that it has been, but I don't have a ready reference to prove one way or the other. I will try to look and see if I can find something.

However...

The duty to retreat is only in force if you can do so safely. Massad Ayoob makes that observation in the latest American Handgunner in his story about two businessmen who shot and killed an intruder whom they reasonably believed to be armed with a handgun.

In this thread's case, the wife could possibly have escaped herself, but what about the two young children who were asleep? Could she have wakened them and escaped safely? It would be problematical at best.

[goon]

Am I the only one who is disturbed by the wife immediately using deadly force on the intruders? Or at least intending to use deadly force. I'm not familiar with Arkansas law, but most states require the BG to demonstrate the capability, opprotunity, and intent to use deadly force in order to use deadly force in your defense. In the story the only criteria I saw met was opprotunity, and that could be argued.

The fact that she shot first doesn't bother me in the least.
A woman alone trying to defend herself and her family against two gangsters. Just the fact that they broke into her home was enough justification in my mind to let peices of them all over the lawn.
Realistically, she is a cop's wife who was afraid and defending her children from two guys who probably had some kind of record anyway.
Legal or not, I doubt that much would have come of it.
They should have given her a medal.

[dport]

It would depend on the layout of the house I guess.

[Grayrock]

So where does one find these Dragon Breath rounds? A-Z Weapons do not answer their phone and their website is not functioning properly. Sportsman's Guide and CTD do not carry them.

[mechanic66]

I'm glad she did what she did and I'm glad that she has the right to defend herself.

Texas is relatively lenient regarding deadly force.
It is a defense to prosecution if you use deadly force, after dark, to protect property that you can reasonably assume could not be recovered (doesn't matter indoors or out). (at least it was up till 1999, don't know if the law has changed since then).

Yayyyyyyyy!!! Texas!!!! :D

[Preacherman]

I'm informed that three BG's were taken into custody recently in connection with a burglary last month in a town near here. During "discussions" with the officers, one of them asked why one of the BG's had burn scars on his face. Turns out that the BG was one of the pair that broke into my friend's house, and the burning particles from the Dragon's Breath (at a range from him of about 15 feet!) had embedded themselves in his face. (His friend, behind him, was shielded from the main blast.)

Anyway, turns out he'd taken six months off crime, to recuperate and get his nerve back. Unfortunately for him, he and his two buddies decided to "get back up to speed" by robbing an old lady at 2 in the morning - and she has a pet Rottweiler, who decided that this was free food being presented to him on a silver platter! The one who got in first (through a window) was still there, half in and half out of the window, screaming, when the cops arrived, and the dog was still firmly attached to his leg, with the old lady flatly refusing to call the dog off! :D

Apparently, it took the cops some time to get the dog to let go - he was having too much fun to want to stop. The BG ratted out his buddies to the cops, who speedily arrested the other two, and they'll all be doing two-to-five in the slammer, with any luck.

[Kobun]

Please tell me it was the same guy that got bit by the dog that got his face burnt! :D

[TCD]

dvport, just know your state laws. My two states, that I reside, it's pretty easy to make the case of, they were in the home and by defact that makes use of lethal force authorized.


Furthermore if she weren't, she has 2 kids sleeping and is the wife of a LEO.

What DA would actually push that through and furthermore, I doubt a jury would convict.

Yeah...

[foghornl]

Preacherman:

Thanks for the update. Glad the Bad Guys have to take a state-sponsored detour on their "road of crime".

But the original report still cracks me up every time I read it ! ! !

:D :D :D :D

[444]

I let my SO know that one of his cousins had a little bit of fun with a burgler. My good buddy Boulderdash got a little bit of that action when a guy jimmied my sliding glass door open and got about two feet inside the door before Dash laid waste to him. Blood everywhere.
They are not just man's best friend anymore. Old Ladies get a lot of enjoyment out of them also.
Of course today they live the easy life unlike their ansestors that had to tag along with the Roman Leigions. They are more than happy to maul a home invader now and then to keep their hand in; between naps.

Rottweilers take a bite out of crime.

[SteelyDan]

This story just gets better and better. Is one of the burglars named Murphy, by any chance?

As for where to buy Dragon's Breath rounds, I don't know, but I have a possible lead for anyone interested. There was a gunshop in Minneapolis that used to carry them (and which had a website). The City shut the place down several years ago for questionable zoning reasons, but I heard it reopened last year on Lyndale Avenue. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name, but it started with a "Ko" and sounded Polish. No idea if they still stock them, but a resourceful web searcher might be able to find the place.

[444]

Our local gunshows have Dragon's Breath shells on every other table it seems like. Several local gun stores have them.
I didn't realize they weren't readily available every where.

[P95Carry]

I'd lost touch with this classic thread after initial read (and LOL!) .... but a timely reminder from Preacherman got me back to it ... fortunately .... now I have more aching ribs to settle down.!!

This surely must now join the ranks of the ''Mall Ninja'' thread. :D

[seeker_two]

Nothing funnier than a little KFC....

Kaboom
Fried
Criminal



:evil:

[Sven]

Once bitten...

[V4Vendetta]

"What DA would actually push that through?"


The kind that are young, green & want make a big name for themselves type. I applaud this woman. She thought fast & pumped another round instead of just assuming that the job was finished. She protected her kids & herself. I hope they pass a castle doctrine in NC. Here you have to be in fear of your life just to draw the gun. You can't protect your property.:rolleyes:

[carebear]

These guys should consider themselves lucky they ran, a bird bomb to the midsection at 15 feet can't be healthy.

[SB88LX]

Can someone post a picture directly to THR of dragons breath? The link is non-functional for me and I've googled high and low with no success. Thanks.

[Preacherman]

Atlas Ammo lists Dragons Breath for sale, but they don't post a picture - see here (http://www.atlasammo.com) if you're interested.

I haven't been able to locate another online picture of it in action, even using Google. Perhaps someone can help?

[braveheart98]

Atlas Ammo lists Dragons Breath for sale, but they don't post a picture - see here (http://www.atlasammo.com) if you're interested.

I haven't been able to locate another online picture of it in action, even using Google. Perhaps someone can help?

http://www.hi-vel.com/Catalog__18/Specialized_Shotshell_Ammuniti/hv_610.jpg

[beerslurpy]

Lucky bastard. For some reason, exotic shotgun rounds are banned in florida. No flechettes, bolos, dragons breath, bird bombs, etc. I would love a saiga filled with 10 bird bombs for home defense.

And good shooting. I'm glad she had the guts to pull the trigger, and the wits to rack the slide and let them have a second one.

[pete f]

Re the comments by Dport.

I can not ever imagine any Grand Jury or DA pursuing a case against a single (alone at the time not marital status) woman defending her kids using deadly force. Particularly a woman married to LEO. I only wish that although the story is funnier with the dragons breath round, she had infact had her loads of slugs and buck. These were by all accounts career criminals. I am willing to bet they were on a first name name basis with local law enforcement already.

Perhaps the only good part of her not killing the Bastids is that she was spared the trauma of that particular act.

Had hubby been home, He might have decided to do the "Halt or I will shoot!!" thing. He has training, been there, done that, but to decry her actions suggests that you feel these miscreants deserve better. I do not.

[V4Vendetta]

If she had said "Freeze", she would have let them know she was there giving them the ability if armed, to shoot her. A wise man said it best. "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."

I read a article recently about a cop who went with his family out to dinner. The diner was being robbed. Cop pulls gun & tells the BG to freeze. BG doesn't freeze. Instead he whips around & started firing wildly. Cop kills BG, but not before one of the BG's rounds hits a 9 year old in the head.:( She doesn't live.

[Biker]

Given the load in her SG, she might have yelled "Freeze or fry!":neener:
Biker

[roscoe]

Great story - especially how the BG didn't really get the message that this was going to be a short-term career.

Here's some of that ammo:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=44058774

[HankB]

Old thread resurrected . . . didn't see it the first time around.

But let's see . . . a 12-ga round at maybe 5 yards, and yet both guys were able to run away?

This tends to confirm something I've suspected for a long time about "exotic" ammo - the more impressive the name, the less impressive the performance.

No gimmicky stuff like "Dragon's Breath" for me, I'll stick to something like 00 or 000 buck, thank you very much.

[Highland Ranger]

I read the specs on a bird bomb . . . . whats the intended purpose?

Even the flamethrower . . . . whats the point?

[MLH]

Fun fun fun fun!!!!:evil: :neener: :what: :eek: :D

[foghornl]

This thread still cracks me up every time I read it.:D :D :D :D

That being said, Novelty Rounds are exactly that...Novelties. I can see some use for the Bird Bomb and Screamer rounds for clearing obnoxious birds from runways, etc.

For protection from 2 & 4-legged predators, I'll stick to Buckshot & Slugs.

[carebear]

The Bird Bombs and Screamers are for grown-up versions of bottle rocket wars. :evil:

I'm kidding of course. As foghornl said, they're primarily for encouraging wildlife to move along without killing them.

Up here they try to use them to haze bears away from garbage and such. it usually doesn't work.

[Carl N. Brown]

Bird bombs I have tried are the equivalent of a M80 firecracker
in a shotshell: travels close to 100 yards, white flash THUD boom.
It is supposed to make starlings move into the next county.

[SB88LX]

Do bird bombs explode on contact, or do they have an internal fuse? That, and if you used any of these for self defense (not that anyone purposely would), wouldn't that be viewed as cruel and unusual punishment/torture/something along those lines in court?

[carebear]

They are time fused to blow (as was said) a hundred or so yds away.

We're talking a second or so after firing, as it is a sluglike object I doubt it would bounce very far after it hit the guy from 10-15 feet, especially if it got caught up in his clothes.

[The Real Hawkeye]

Preacherman, that is the most hilarious story I have heard in years. I was doubled over for five minutes trying to compose myself, and nearly passing out for lack of oxygen. I have some of those stunt rounds, including dragon's breath, that I bought a few years ago, but never tried them. I think I want to try some dragon's breath now, and try to imagine the scene again. Thanks for a good laugh. :D

[1911 guy]

I haven't laughed this hard in days. Thanks, Preacherman. By the way, you owe me a new keyboard, mine has milk all over it now and will smell terrible by tomorrow.

[Carl N. Brown]

I am reminded of the movie Excalibur:
Arthur awakens: "I dreamt the dragon!"
Merlin explains: "I have awakened him. Can't you see ... all around you ...
the dragon's breath?"

[Knob Creeker]

I picked up some Dragons Breath shells at the machine gun shoot a few years back and they were not what I was expecting. I shot them over a pond one night and they looked more like a firework going off about 30 yards away. Nothing like the pictures I had seen. Has anyone else experienced this? Did I just buy cheap knock-offs that were not actual DB, or were my expectations too high? I would defiantly buy more if they looked as good as the photos I’ve seen.

[armoredman]

To complete the quote started two years ago...
"Once bitten, twice fried!"
Great story, don't know how I missed it the first time.
We have to find those Screamers for prison use....I don't think the Attorney General will let us use the Dragons Breath, though....

[Tim L]

I love the smell of charbroiled burgler in the morning! :neener: :evil:

Tim

[BlazingAngel01]

Sweet I found a Reason to get a 12 Ga.

[Grayrock]

Now I just need a source for some Dragon's Breath rounds. Anybody know where I can get some?

[HuntAndFish]

You might try:

http://www.hi-vel.com/index.html

[Diamondback6]

Holy Thread Necromancy, Batman!

Don't know how I missed this back when I joined... ROFLMAO

[lowtech1]

Wow. Those dudes at hi-vel arent screwing around.

What are the chances some of that stuff (flechete, gas, exploding) is legal these days?

[saltydog452]

Good to see this post again. I miss the posts from Preacherman.

salty

[bwavec]

For those still looking: try http://www.firequest.com
:fire:

[vikz]

dport I'm not sure where you 're coming form but hopefully it wont happen to you becs for me if somebody is already broken into my house I wont even give them a warning i will shoot period, just the fact that they are inside my house illegally its enough reason for me that they are there to do harm or KILL us..and when you say the emotional baggae afterwards imho i just have to say its better them than my family and i will sleep soundly.. every night..

[brighamr]

bwavec - thank you. have been looking.

[Fred Fuller]

vikz,

I shouldn't have to point this out, but...


Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

That means know what you are shooting AND what is in line behind it. It means DON'T shoot things (OR PEOPLE) you have not identified. Doing anything less than STRICT observation of Rule IV is courting tragedy- don't do it.

lpl/nc

[theotherwaldo]

Anyone coming quietly through my window at night is identified as the following:
Target, in the process of becoming a
Statistic.

BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET, indeed!

[vikz]

lee thanks and yes i know what you mean, just point it at bad guys..

[icebones]

might want to tell her husband to pick up some flachette ammo, that stuff is downrigth mean, or that ammo loaded with a bolas, or the one loaded with steel tacks...

some guy already beat me to it, but here it is anyway...

http://www.firequest.com/catalog/showcase_item_4.html

[leathermanwave]

That is so funny.:evil::evil:

[ozwyn]

These days that would be a legally "safe" shoot even in Maryland.

[Rampant_Colt]

Funny five year old story.

Too bad the shotgun wasn't loaded with slugs or buckshot, 'cause those scumbags would have been carried out feet first on gurneys ending their criminal careers right there. Who knows how many other innocent people were victimized by these creeps afterwards. (it's my guess they both found God after that - LoL)


* I just hope this thread doesn't inspire or encourage someone to use that overpriced 'gimmick ammo' from Firequest and Hi-Vel for home and self-defense *

[Grayrock]

Still funny.

Saw a new vendor: www.atlasammo.com