[Yohan]

I was watching a movie the other day- typical hollywood movie. Person's got the finger in the trigger guard, etc. etc. In one of the scenes, the main character is shot at from a distance of about 35 yards- and she draws her snubby revolver and fires. In the typical H fasion, the bad person falls- the camera focusing in on the dead body to reveal that the heroine (I hope I spelled female hero, not the drug) had placed a well placed shot smack dab in the middle of the head. Is this a possibility? She had her back turned when she was fired upon, and she fired as soon as she turned around. What type of training exercises can you guys do to simulate this?

While we're at this, what are some ridiculously unrealistic gun handling we have seen?Let me get a few cliched ones out of the way

-Sniper rifles. Till I began to get interested and read up, I thought that to shoot a sniper rifle, all you had to do with get your cross on the target and fire when it was centered. Then came the knowledge of windage and drop calculations.
-Infinite ammo. Yeah, we've all seen this. Interestingly enough, many realistic video games now help dispell the myth of the infamous infinite ammo.

Let's hear em.

[Feanaro]

It's possible. If you are a crack shot, time slows down for you and you have an accurate weapon. But it's POSSIBLE all the air in the planet could move to one side. But will it?

Also, many of the "realistic" games aren't too realistic... such as Vietcong which I just tried the demo for. You don't rack the slide for the Colt .45, don't pull back the charging handle on the Thompson, etc. And while it happens sometimes, continuing to fire a machine gun accurately after being hit three times with 5.56mm shots right to the chest sounds a little... wrong. And Counter-Strike... guh.

My one cent.

-People with handguns always win unless they are the villains. Somehow a hand-gun gives them a blanket of immunity against SMG toting villians.

[Jeeper]

My all time movie pet peeve is when a person has someone at gun point and then after holding them at gunpoint proceeds to rack the slide. I always ask myself why they were holding someone with an empty chamber. The other is cocking the hammer on a 1911. THey point it at them with the hammer down first and then later they cock it.

[PATH]

I love Hollyweird where you can fire two Desert Eagles at the same time and not have any recoil. Geez, I wish I could do that!:D

[Art Eatman]

I generally tell folks that any gun handling seen in movies is wrong. Very few movies show anything "real world".

As for a possible hit from "turn and fire", consider the old IPSC standard "El Presidente". You start with your back to three targets, from a distance of seven yards. Turn and draw; fire two shots on each target, reload and repeat two shots on each target. I've seen it done with nearly-stock 1911s and IPSC Major ammo in 5.0 seconds. I grant that a turn-and-shoot at 35 yards is rather Hollywoodish--but it's doable.

My pet peeve is the "sniper" who assembles his take-down rifle, gets all set up on his sandbags: And then twiddles with the knobs on the scope! Double-duh!

Art

[cool45auto]

I like the one where the gun's at slide lock and the star is still yanking the trigger and you can still hear gun shots!:rolleyes:

[sonny]

I can't stand it when someone has a gun pointed "hammer cocked" on someone elses head and then decides to let them live and uncocks the hammer while still pointing it point blank at the other guys head......irresponsible of hollywood!
I am convinced that these totally irresponsible gun habbits are imitated in real life and lead to injury or death.
I would sign a letter or pettition to hollywood execs pointing this out..... if it was well thought out and written in a (We are watching you and you better get you're act together) sort of way.
Anyone else?......Anyone feel like writing it?...It would be interesting if it was sent certified mail so that we could say ...told you so :D

[megatronrules]

I for one can't stand most movie gun handling it is plain out wrong! Finger on the trigger,hammer down on 1911's and hi powers alike(although the gun could be at half cock but it still urks me to no end) but hollywood being as uninformed as they are I doubt they even know what half cocked is. They don't even know the 4 basic rules of gun safety the list goes on from there and gets worse.

That being said these action movie directors probably pay a small fourtune to so called "weapons specialist" who don't even know a 1911 is a singe action gun that is meant to be carried cocked and locked :rolleyes: Also the thing about lowering a hammer on a gun while its pointed at someones head? Who came out with that one? Speaking of this last one whenever I use the decocker on my beretta 92 I ALWAYS,ALWAYS! point the gun in a safe direction the reason being? Simple the safety/decocker on this gun and any other with a decocker moves the firing pin out of the way of the hammer to safely drop it.

So if the decocker where to ever fail and not do its job the hammer will strike the firing pin and the gun goes of. So these idiots who might say "oh its only a decocker I can point whereever I want while I decock it its safe" :rolleyes: They need to learn gun safety and read the instructions to the deadly weapon they own.

[Rockrivr1]

I always get urked when the actor has an incredible never ending supply of ammo and can fire forever without reloading. The one that sticks in my mind most often is Commando with Arnold. (not even going to attempt his last name)

He's toting an M60 around and one scene he has about 10-15 rounds left. He then jumps over a wall and low and behold he has a whole belt of ammo wrapped a couple of times around his forearm. Or later in the movie when he's in the bad guys house, he's firing away with a 12 Ga. Marine Magnum and gets off 13 shots without stopping.

The building blowing up with obvious dummy standing outside is alway good for a laugh as well.

[Stevie-Ray]

Commando is still one of my all-time favorite movies, but I agree the bloopers are side-splitting. How about the turned over Porsche 911 that becomes their new ride? As they take off from the side of the road and round the curve, the damaged side is no longer damaged. How about the wire tied to Solly's leg when Ahnold is holding him up with one arm? The cardboard cutouts during the explosions were cheezy to the extreme. There are many more. But it is and always will be one of the best shoot-fests.:cool:

[Standing Wolf]

More reasons my television continues to keep valuable shelf space in the garage from going to waste.

[dinosaur]

Andre` Brauer (Homicide) plays a contract killer in some cheesy but funny late night cable movie. He along with his cousin chase our hero into a field shooting at him. Andre` has a Glock while cuz has a revolver. The slide locks back on his Glock as the GG falls down. Typical. The next scene should show the slide forward after a phantom reload, right?

After a converstion with the guy who hired them, Andre` points the Glock at the GG`s head and the slide is still locked back. I`m thinking, "Oh boy, they really screwed this one up" when Andre` notices this too. He turns to cuz and says, "Give me your gun, mine`s jammed.":D

This was funny on so many levels. :evil:

What happened to an M1A later in the movie hurt my heart so bad though.:(

[cordex]

My favorite is when a bullet (be it from a 9mm or a .338) strikes sparks off a car that someone is using as cover. Doesn't even damage the paint job. Soon as a bullet hits someone, though, they've got to go dancing and spinning and flipping around like a ballerina on meth.

Or when a bullet goes through the windshield leaving a nice neat hole, but the rear windscreen is untouched. Possible, but not at the angles incoming fire is usually directed.

[SoDFW Jason]

Anyone ever seen an FTE in a movie?

How about throwing the weapon away when the mag is empty?

[PATH]

Come on the best is when the character throws a perfectly good pistol at something or someone that is impervious to bullets.

Question? Why would the character think that the pistol itself will hurt whay they just shot a gazillion times? Me, I am not throwing anything away. I'll reload and give it another few tries!

How about the heroine who is never able to shoot the baddie. "You won't shoot me ", he says. Wouldn't you just love to seem some lowlife say that to someone like Tamara or Runt? :D

I find myself screaming at the TV encouragement of a graphic and animated nature.

My favorite is a movie where the cop is pursuing some huge crocodile through drain sewers. He asks for rockets, dynamite, grenades, and as an aside says "oh yeah, you'd better get me a Glock 19". I am sorry Glock lovers but that made me laugh so hard my ribs ached the next day.:D

[Jrob24]

I just saw the end of an amusing but dumb movie called soldier boyz. A veteran and 5 recruits attack an enemy jungle base. They shoot 50 BG's and take no casualties. :barf:

[scottgun]

Pay attention to how many times a character racks the slide. once before putting in their holster, once when they draw, once before shooting and a couple of times in between. Of course, you will never see an unfired round ejected The racking of the slide makes a cool sound, kind of like a car tires squealing. In Hollywood, the more the better, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

[280PLUS]

my uncle the retired metro-dade leo was the original technical adviser for the miami mice, (oops i mean vice) pilot ?

he quit under protest because of the way they wanted to portray police officers in action. as in they wanted to hollywood it up and he wasnt going for it.

something about there not being too many examples of raging gun battles with jamaicans in the streets of miami on a weekly basis,,, among other things,

he said, "I taught crockett and tubbs everything they know about being cops. how to enter a building, how to cuff a suspect, etc."

"they were ok guys until the show took off and they went hollywood"

and, lastly, "while the show was popular they couldnt do enough for miami, inner city kid stuff, charity appearances and other community services but once the show went off the air everybody disappeared and miami was totally forgotten about":scrutiny:

or words to that effect, anyhow...:fire:

[Moondancer]

My pet peeve is that you just have to shoot a car, any car, and it will immediately go up in flames, then just seconds later explode into a huge fireball! Yeah, right.

The most memorable blooper was watching a B movie where one of the bad guys comes around a mausoleum in a cemetary at night and racks the slide on his shotgun. Only when he steps out into the light, we see that it's a side-by-side double barrel (sawed off, of course). Ruined the whole movie for me.

My wives quickly realized that the only way they could get me shut up in a theater about gun bloopers was to threaten me!

[Stevie-Ray]

Come on the best is when the character throws a perfectly good pistol at something or someone that is impervious to bullets. Like Superman, right? :D In the old TV series, a BG would empty a gun on him, and he would stand there with his hands on his hips. Then the BG would throw the empty gun at him and he would duck.:banghead:

[PATH]

Bingo!:D

[Esky]

But... although he is/was a for real war hero, he made some absolutely hilarious movies. He can't act at all (makes Chuck Norris resemble Olivier) but he did some cowboy Westerns that just about killed me-- from laughing so hard!

One film has, while the opening credits are rolling, a jet plane going across the sky, with contrail, clearly visible. That's just the beginning, it gets even better. Later he's in a hotel (Audie's the good guy, natch) on the second floor, having a shootout with multiple BGs who are outside the hotel, firing in at him through the open door. Audie's at the top of the staircase.

While he's there, he shoots at least 50 rounds at the BGs without having to reload (being the Good Guy, he only needs one gun!); hundreds of rounds are fired at him, but none have any effect at all except for two. Those two somehow hit smack in the middle of some square patches on the wall next to our hero, causing holes in the exact center of the patches. How's that for shooting! The guns are all Western six (hundred?)-shooters of course.

What really got my rolling on the floor, though, was Audie's decision to run down the stairs, shooting furiously all the way, around the front of the hotel counter (all this time in full view of all the dozens of BGs, who are shooting madly to no effect at all,) where he finally crouches down behind the counter to reload his gun.

Even better, he then retraces his steps and goes back UP the stairs to where he was before! And amazing as it sounds, the plate glass window in the front of the hotel never gets even a little bullethole in it! One bad guy that Audie shot had to stagger from the front of the hotel, around a hitching rail, across the street, around another hitching rail, clutching his chest the whole way, before finally falling into the horse trough where he dies! Priceless.

Thanks for this thread-- I had almost forgotten that movie, it was one of the funniest movies I've ever seen, all the better because the humor was totally unintentional.

If anyone can remember the name of this epic movie, I'd be very much in your debt (I doubt that it will be re-released on DVD, though!) Would love to see it again, it was such a hoot.

Esky
ps- we all know that all these details would be true if, instead of using six-shooters, the cowboys had been using assault rifles. They really can fire hundreds of rounds without reloading; I know this is true because the Brady Bunch say it is!

[TechBrute]

I recently saw a movie where someone was pointing a Glock at someone and threatening them. When the vic did not comply, the aggressor cocked the hammer for effect.

[Calanctus]

I was flipping channels a while back, and saw Keenan Ivory Wayans as some sort of uber-assassin (how can you tell? He was completely tacticaled-up in all black, like a Brigade Quartermaster catalog threw up on him). He puts together his sniper rifle from a suitcase kit :rolleyes: , twiddles with the scope knobs :rolleyes: , then sights in his target, several blocks away on the ground (Keenan is on the top of a skyscraper). Then, he opens a small case, containing the ammunition for the rifle. A single round, with an ICE bullet :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . That's when I continued to the next channel....

[Zer000]

I just saw the end of an amusing but dumb movie called soldier boyz. A veteran and 5 recruits attack an enemy jungle base. They shoot 50 BG's and take no casualties.

Heh, I saw that too. I particularly liked the guy going up against baddies with AKs with two sideways pistols. The sideways one handed AR shooting was classic as well.

[jimbo]

Don't get me started!

In "Patriot", Mel Gibson's character makes a 50-yard headshot on a fleeing Redcoat, galloping away on a bouncing, weaving horse...

WITH A SMOOTHBORE FLINTLOCK PISTOL!!!!

I almost walked out of the theater. Do NOT insult my intelligence@!:cuss:

[Feanaro]

I saw some movie with Chris Rock and Morgan Freeman a bit ago. Morgan had a silenced Colt 45. At one point the slide was back, he was out of ammo it appeared. But then he turns around the corner, fires and the slide comes to full battery. :rolleyes:

[PATH]

Remember folks it is fantasy land out there in Hollyweird!:D ;)

[Dionysusigma]

Movie: Matrix
Scene: Lobby shoot-out
Character: Neo

After dropping a pair of Berettas because the mags are empty:barf: , he pulls out what appear to be a couple of H&K MP5K's, sans foregrip, and what looks to be like a supressor. When he begins firing, they get a shot of the casings hitting the ground--and they're MUCH larger, like a .308 or somesuch....

[OEF_VET]

The whole time I was reading this thread, that's the exact scene that was running thru my mind.

[Johnny Guest]

Back in the 1960s, there was a weekly series called "I Spy," with Robert Culp and Bill Cosby as a pair of CIA operatives. (Yes, ol' Pudding Bill.) Nicely produced, with some good writing, decent acting, and excellent location fliming. First major series with a black actor in a truly equal capacity, too.

Culp carried a cut-down P38-- a little surprising because Culp the man was pretty gun-savvy. I tend to think this was just a tougue-in-cheek jibe at a slightly earlier series, "The Man from U.N.C.L.E.," in which the hee-row used a P38 snubnose with about eleven different accessories, including shoulder stock, extension barrel, long magazine, scope sight and supressor.

One thing that always impressed me: Cosby carried a Colt Commander, probably in 9mm, with the hammer down--we saw him thumb cock it in various episodes. When the shooting was over, and, amazingly, they sometimes resolved difficulties without any shooting, Cosby would always turn well away from anyone else and use both hands to VERY carefully lower the Colt's hammer.

Culp was a supporting actor in a later series, "The Greatest American Hero," playing an FBI agent. He demonstrated some very good gun handling in the midst of this comedy series. One involved him holding an AR on some bad guys. An ignorant non-combatant walked in front of Culp, who deflected his muzzle and then, when clear, went immediately back on target.

Hey--Just a couple of bright spots in the middle of the Hollywood madness. :D

Best,
Johnny

[Pinned&Recessed]

Movie: Matrix
Scene: Lobby Shoot-out
Character: Neo

This scene made me laugh. He was using Czech Skorpion Vz. 61 machine pistols.

The Skorpion Vz. 61 is chambered in .32ACP (7.65 Browning). Cut to the floor and there are .223 shell casings bouncing off the floor.

I still can't wait for the sequel though. Next Wednesday baby!!! :D :D :D

[WhoKnowsWho]

Daredevil, Elektra is shooting at Daredevil with a Glock, and when it is empty, not only does the slide not lock back, but she keeps on pulling the trigger and it keeps on clicking like the striker was ready to fire.

[waterdog]

Hollywood, not much explaining needed there.

waterdog

[Kevlarman]

Well, not really Hollywood, but I was watching something on MSNBC Investigates tonight entitled "Sudden Death."

It was about how Los Angeles County coroners went about their daily work, and this episode dealt mostly with gunshot victims. One female coroner was investigating a suicide in the Long Beach marina, and finding firearms at the scene, asked if an officer at the scene could "remove a clip from this nine."

Closeup showed ".45 Auto" on the chamber.

She later determines that the .45 was not the weapon that the man shot himself was, as she later pulls out a very bloody revolver. The narrator says its a ".45 Magnum."

She later goes to investigate the man's house and remarks, "this guy has an AK-47 somewhere - there's the clips for it."

Closeup shows what are plainly AR-15 magazines.

In all, it's a very interesting and informative show, and I was glad that the officers and coroners on the scene didn't try and tell the viewers about the "dangers of owning firearms" and whatnot.

Of course, at the beginning of the show the narrator plainly stated that LA County was home to ten million people and "a million guns." :scrutiny:

[Stingray]

A scene that sticks out in my mind is from a movie, (I forget which), where the good guy is running up a flight of stairs while several bgs are firing fully automatic weapons at him. The wall is shot up, the stair post and hand rail is shot up, even the thin spindles are being shot, but not a single round hit our hero. If you slow the scene down, you can see that there is not a free 6 inch square that didnt get shot, except of course where the hero stood.

Another pet peave is when the cover that people hid behind is so flimsy, but the bullets dont pass through. Hiding behind a interior wall made of drywall seems to be all the protection that you will need against an AK47. Sheesh

[buttrap]

The ones I love is were the they wing the bad guy and he goes down and then they run off...get real..stomp that guy till his fingers are broke and if he farts shoot im again. eww eww I shot him and he fell..I now need to run.

[GEM]

On his TV show, Chuck Norris would get disarmed, escape, kick a bad guy who was carrying a full auto AK and Chuck would never pick it up. He just went on to kick the next bad guy.

Steven Segal's lesson on how to put the safey on a Glock - not one with the modification.

Collateral - I like that one. I watched the scene where Cruise shot the two punky dudes from retention. I told my wife that I could do that. I said said that at a IDPA match there was a stage with retention and I was complimented on my smoothness of execution. Wife was unimpressed. You ain't no Tom Cruise. :( I did like when he went for his extra mag at the end and noticed he didn't have one. I had to explain that.

Anyway, I would have retained Nicole Kidman.

[Old Fud]

There are so many ways I admire that movie, I can't count them, BUT - -- -

Right at the end, our young hero fires a warning shot from a 1911 to get everybody's attention, then faces the BG down with it. When BG sneers, "you can't get all of us with that", Hero-boy responds, "No, Ace, Just YOU!", and COCKS THE PIECE, Loudly.

What a hell of a way to finish a fine movie.
Leaves a sour taste in my mouth to this day.

[Gunpacker]

of the handgun bullets that they blow up cars with. Remington and Winchester should take a lesson. Talk about one round stops.
Also need one of the Peacemakers that Kevin Costner used in "Range War" that he could fan off 10 shots with at one guy after shooting a couple of others with it first. Man, that would come in handy at my Cowboy Action Matches. "Yep, I got an empty chamber under the hammer". Of course, that was a bit of overkill on one BG when there were 7 or 8 more after him. ;)

[M2 Carbine]

Yohan
"In one of the scenes, the main character is shot at from a distance of about 35 yards- and she draws her snubby revolver and fires. In the typical H fasion, the bad person falls- the camera focusing in on the dead body to reveal that the heroine (I hope I spelled female hero, not the drug) had placed a well placed shot smack dab in the middle of the head. Is this a possibility? ? "
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Is it possible?
Yes.

Is it likeky?
No.

This is what my 40+ year old 2 inch barrel S&W Model 10 will do.
Could I shoot this group under pressure?
Not likely. :D

But personally I would rather be at a distance of 30 to 50 yards in a gun fight with a pistol. ;)

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid145/p1f2622febfec027490ac452f1daab7ad/f6589c0c.jpg

BTW as a helicopter pilot, I can't stand to watch the stupid way Hollywood thinks choppers should be flown. :fire:

[another okie]

The folks who provide firearms for movies and TV shows are very professional and knowledgable, but they don't determine what happens, any more than the legal advisors get to determine what happens on lawyer and cop shows. Cocking hammers, racking slides and shotguns, those things make noise and are entertaining, so they go in the movies. It's no different than anything else. Does Hollywood show relationships the way you experience them? As both a lawyer and a teacher I can say Hollywood has absolutely no idea about either occupation.

I saw one last night. My wife likes "Law & Order: SVU." This guy decides to take revenge outside a courtroom, so he grabs the court officer's gun and shoots someone. Later the detectives were struggling for ways to figure out if he had planned it or acted in the heat of the moment. Well, first of all, they had the law all messed up on several points on the show. But it immediately occurred to me that if the court officer had a decent retention holster the guy would have had to plan and practice to get the gun away from him - good evidence of premeditation. But maybe court officers in NYC walk around with their guns unsecured, though I doubt it.

[Yooper]

Hollywood westerns used to feature fistfights in which no participant lost his hat! Must have stapled them on. :)

[Hawkmoon]

Mentioning the jet with contrails in the Audie Murphy film reminded me that in the John Wayne film version of The Alamo, in one of the battle scenes there can plainly be seen, in the far background, a yellow schoolbus making its daily rounds.

If I may be permitted to hijack this thread from films to books, how many times dod Louis Lamour have one of his cowboy heros make a one-shot hit, usually after being badly beat up, chased around the country, and not having eaten or drunk anything for three days -- from 300 or 400 yards, with a Winchester .44-40 carbine using iron sights?

[Slimjim]

Way of the gun has very good gun handling for a hollywood movie.

[sm]

Johnny Guest,
Mentioned some positives ( yeah I remember Culp and Cosby) . Tom Selleck is another. TTBOK Mannix and Cannon did as well.

Of course "I" never tried anything I saw on teevee ...*ahem*

I HAD to have a Lever Action cap gun for my B-Day one year...I went to the zoo with it ...I dunno ...Chuck Conners cocked his "that way" ...I just mangaged to get a sore hand and scare the daylights out of the Gorilla...

"Honey, what did you do to that Gorilla ...why are you rubbing your hand?"

Moms sure can be nosy - it was MY B-Day afterall...."nothing mom - honest" :D

[iapetus]

Generally a bad movie, but I did like it it "Last Action Hero" where the character played by Arnie has been magically transported to the real world, fires a few shots at the bad guy's car, and is astonished when it doesn't immediately blow up.

(For those that don't know the plot: A boy who likes Schwartznegger films gets a magic film ticket that transports him into the latest film. Buy the bad guys somehow escape from the film into the real world, and the fictional character played by Arnie has to go after him to stop him - at one point meeting the "real" Arnie at a film premier!)

I saw a film recently on TV: "fled".

At first it seemed quite good in gun-handling terms. Once character found a handgun, and picked it up, finger on the trigger, and started waving it around - wherapon his buddy immediately shouted at him for doing so and took it off him.

But then later it degenerated into gun-in-each-hand, crossed-arm jumping-through-the-air shhotouts. (And the moment you say the cable-car, you knew there was going to be a fight on it, and that someone would get thrown out).

[ballistic gelatin]

GEM, I was thinking about Collateral too. I just watched it this weekend and thought the alley scene with two punks was pretty realistic. Not hollywood fast, just smooth. But as some will say, "smooth is fast and fast is smooth."

Of course, the nightclub shootout was crap.

[cls12vg30]

My personal "favorite" is in The Chase when Christy Swanson blows up a helicopter with one shot from a Beretta 92. I kept getting sushed in the theatre, I was laughing so hard.

[Ian]

SoDFW Jason -
Anyone ever seen an FTE in a movie?

Yup! Way of the Gun has a scene where Ryan Phillipe is shooting a pump shotgun and has an FTE. You can see him properly clear it, too. The movie also shows proper room-clearing, one-handed 1911 reloads, and overall good gun-handling to boot. In one scene, a scoped rifle is being used, and you see the target through the scope reticle. When the shooter fires, the view in the scope actually jerks off the target from recoil. The only gun-related thing that bothered me in it was when Benicio del Toro is shooting a full-auto Galil, and makes a perfectly straight horizontal line of holes in a wall.

[TheOtherOne]

Besides the zombies, I thought the gun scene in Shaun of the Dead was very realistic. None of them had ever fired a gun before (besides one who shot his aunt with an air gun) and when Shaun goes to shoot it for the first time nothing happens. Everyone starts yelling at him to give him advice. "Work the safety button" got me laughing. Finally he gets it to fire and although close to the zombies, he's constantly missing. They only had 29 rounds and I think out of all the shots he hit zombies maybe 6 or 7 times.

[juggler]

Collateral - I like that one. I watched the scene where Cruise shot the two punky dudes from retention.
Don't know how it's gonna come out, but I am going to introduce that scenario this weekend. Draw > 2 shots from retention CM target 1 > 2 CM/ 1 Head target 2 .... should be interesting. :D

Should I throw in the inside block with the weak hand? :evil:

[carebear]

Ah yes, the soon to become legendary "Yo Homey" stage.

Throw in the block. :D

[MBane666]

We did an episode of SHOOTING GALLERY with Mike Tristano, a cool B-movie director and movie armorer. He's got a huge amount of experience, including experience with people shooting real bullets at him, but he confirms that what Okie says is true...what the director wants, the director gets. Tristano shows them the right way, then they go right ahead and do it whatever way they want.

We've also done a series of training seminars with the top stuntwomen in Hollywood (I know, my life sucks, but someone has to do it), using world-class police and military instructors. We did an event in November, and I was standing up on a hill watching two (short) women — one who'd been one of the Mini drivers in "The Italian Job" and the other who'd doubled the sainted Buffy the Vampire Slayer for four seasons — run a stage where she'd have to exit a car on the passenger side, smack a close up steel falling target with a crowbar, run to open the trunk, get a gun out of a zipped pouch, load it and finish the stage. The girls were scary good. The second unit director I was standing alongside said, "Congratulations, Michael. They're like vicious little Hobbits now. With guns."

Michael B

PS: WAY OF THE GUN is probably the best gun movie ever, IMO!

[TonyB]

One surprising place I saw good gun handling in a movie was Beverly hills cop..reloads....Eddie even does a one handed reload w/ his BHP...the sequels got progressively worse though...
also there was a movie a caught the end of on HBO recently..Killing Emmett something or other...where a cop is dying and hires a hit man to kill him...the hit man uses a 686 at the end and actually uses speedloaders that are in holders on his belt..pretty cool....

[T. Bracker]

Although in one of the Beverly Hills Cop movies, Eddie grabs a ride on a moving garbage truck or cement truck and you clearly see his gun fall out of his waistband, but then at the next scene he has it with him again! :D

[R.H. Lee]

Just got around to seeing "Heat" last night. How about the shootout after the bank robbery?

[ScorpioVI]

Y'all need to see Way Of The Gun. The best Hollywood portrayal of guns and gun fights, ever. They only fudged up one scene the whole movie as previously mentioned. (Benicio Del Toro + Galil = Horizontal Stitching).

Don't know how it's gonna come out, but I am going to introduce that scenario this weekend. Draw > 2 shots from retention CM target 1 > 2 CM/ 1 Head target 2 .... should be interesting.

Should I throw in the inside block with the weak hand?





We did the "Hey Homey" stage at the last IDPA match I went to. Too short for a stage though so they added a few more targets which you had to engage while retreating.

[nomadboi]

I've worked as armorer on a couple Indie films and local theatre productions here- I run a small props rental business. Mostly for no pay, never for big bucks.

Some directors listen and follow through. Most listen and then take what they want and toss out the rest. If cartooney action will sell better or fit their vision better, that's what they'll do.

Generally I'm happy if I can just keep them from killing anyone- one director was quite insistent for a while about wanting an over-the-shoulder (and down the barrel) view of multiple people being shot close-range by a real shotgun firing blanks. Eventually talked him into a different angle so the shooter could aim off target and not have it show, but it took a while... and took blowing some holes in cardboard to make my point.

Too bad nobody makes good replica shotguns that are safe to fire at close range...

[Jim K]

If you are puzzled by some peculiar looking movie guns, or concerned about blanks harming a actor, you might realize that more and more movies use dummy guns. If real guns are used, insurance costs go way up. If blanks are used, costs go a lot higher. So directors use pure dummy guns (cast plastic usually) and the flash and bang are added to the digital master later, just like the "light sabers" in Star Wars, where actors waved fake sword hilts at each other and IL&M added the light and the "clang". "Bullet hits" on walls, cars, etc., are faked by small explosive pellets placed in the target and painted over; they are fired by electricity. That is why you see "bullets" seeming to strike sparks, something that doesn't happen with real bullets.

And no one runs out of ammunition.

Jim

[nomadboi]

Yeah, the home-made squibs (those bullet hit things you mention) we used on the last film I worked on ("Bullets, Blood, & a FistFull of Cash) were really sparky and smokey... just the type of powder they used, I think. It'll look a bit funny when people spark and smoke (as well as bleed) when shot, but hey, when you're on a really tight budget, them's the breaks.

We used a mix of Airsoft, Blank fire, real, rubber/resin, and pfc replica guns.

[GhostRider-Nine]

What about Bruce Willis in Die Hard 2....I wish I had me one of them 300 round mags for my 9mm. :rolleyes:

[Rebeldon]

Don't forget the Glock 7.

"That punk pulled a GLOCK 7 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport X-ray machines, and it cost more than you make here in a month."

[GhostRider-Nine]

Yeah, I always wanted one of them too. :p

[RyanM]

(long time lurker, first time poster, but I won't bore you with a long intro)

I haven't seen that many movies, so the only one, of what I've watched, that seemed to have an even vaguely realistic shoot-out in it was Taxi Driver. At least everyone's reaction to being shot is quite more realistic than the "bang, you're dead!" approach of most movies.

For instance, the first guy Travis (the anti-hero) shoots, a pimp, is hit point-blank in the stomach with a .38 spl. He yells "oh, oh, oh!" and falls over, clutching at a doorframe for support, but is able to stagger into a nearby building and shoot Travis in the neck later on. Another guy is hit multiple times in the head and neck with a .25 ACP, and staggers backwards, firing wildly, instead of just collapsing instantly.

I also took the time to mentally count the shots, and none of the guns exceeded their capacities; .38 snubbie, 5 shots; .32 or something, 3 shots; .44 magnum, 2 shots; another .38, 6 shots; .25 auto, 6 or 7, I forget.

The biggest problem, probably, is the blood was rather orange for some reason.

Far from perfect, like the .44 blowing half a guy's hand off, but definitely not the worst, not at all.

[PrudentGT]

"Congratulations, Michael. They're like vicious little Hobbits now. With guns." ...ROFLMAO! That made my day -- well, that and learning that I wasn't the only one who watched the 'Yo Homey' scene from collateral a dozen times...